Did my Janome 15000 Break Something?
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Cat - N
I was making an ITH quilt block (5" x 5") in my RE18 (5x7) hoop when the entire block and stabilizer started pulling and actually popped the top part of the hoop out of the bottom part. I stopped the machine immediately, and the first photo is the (red) top thread mess from the placement stitching that I found when I cut the hoop free and removed it.
The second photo is what my bobbin holder area looks like now.
Maybe I am lost in a brain fog, but for the life of me...and I cannot find an image of what it is supposed to look like online...however, I do not remember that little 'arm' on the right sticking over the bobbin holder area like that, and re-inserting the bobbin holder is just not working for me.
Did something break in my Janome 15000?
- Cat (FL)
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It's hard to tell from a photo, but the hook race appears to be OK. You'll want to check for burrs, but it looks like it's OK. Looking at the red thread photo, it appears that the little "flipper" that checks remaining bobbin thread did not retract completely, and a stitch got caught on it. That prevented all following stitches from pulling up, so you got massive looping that popped the bobbin case up and past the stopper (red arrow in left photo). Here's what it should look like:
 Note the gap between the flipper and the hook race. Maybe the flipper got stuck, or the spring didn't retract it completely. Gently nudge it to the right and see if it pops over. Given the time of year, I imagine you are neck deep in Christmas projects and need this like a root canal. So this is enough of an emergency that you can try something yourself. 1. Take your machine to a counter or table where you have some space. Put down some old towels first. 2. Lay the machine on its back, on the towels. 3. Under the free arm you will see two Phillips screws. Remove them. 4. Remove the bed cover. It may require a little wiggling, and you will be hampered by the base. But if you don't remove that, there's less to put back. 5. You will be appalled at how much stuff there is in there. Carefully remove what you can (tweezers help), while looking for a spring. If you don't find one, that's good! Once you have cleared out most of it, found no loose parts, then use a vacuum to suck up all the crud. Then check the flipper to see where it sits, and how well it retracts if you push it over. If it looks like the picture above, then you are good to go. Put the cover back, keep calm, and carry on. If it doesn't go back then put the cover back and take it in for service. You were never there, we shall never speak of this again. If it's working, and you removed enough lint to stuff a baseball, then take it in for service after the holidays. |
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Gayle Booth
Your bobbin case looks like mine. That bar across the top is supposed to be there. Maybe brush the lint out, change the needle & try again with slowed down speed. Gayle The one who plants trees, knowing that he will never sit in their shade, has at least started to understand the meaning of life. Rabindranath Tagore
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Cat - N
First of all…thank you so much for all that information!!! OMG, that was huge work you did for me!!! Now, the good news: After my 15000 had a chance to sleep on it overnight and overheard my plan to tote it first thing this morning to a closer-than-my-100%-trusted dealer so a former Janome-turned-other-brand dealer could look at it, when I went to pack it up, I noticed the little ‘flipper’ was back where it belongs. Hmmm… So I turned it on, and the flipper did it’s fwip-fwip thing and seated properly. Hmmm…. So I tried to put the yellow dot bobbin holder in it and it still didn’t seat easily or well. Uh oh…. So I put the red dot bobbin holder in and it slipped into place like it had seriously missed being in the machine. Hmmm…. So I put the regular needle plate on it and the A foot and sewed a straight stitch on a ‘leader’ scrap after some hand wheel turning and needle up-downing…and it sewed flawlessly!!! Woo hoo! So I tried putting the yellow dot bobbin holder back in and again, it didn’t want to go in easily or seat well. So I got one of my three, new, spare yellow dot bobbin holders (yes, I learned the valuable lesson of spares years ago when I desperately needed one on a Sunday!), and it slipped into the machine like butter over popcorn, too. So, the hook race is perfect, my 15000 is perfect, I was able to get my design perfect in the hoop again and finished my block, and I didn’t have to travel even the 45 minutes to 1 hour to a nearer shop, and I only need to put away my embroidery unit travel case and my 15000 accessory case, but the entire machine and sewing cabinet are well dusted, and hopefully Christmas is back on the merry track…and no root canal-like pain even for my bank account. The bad news: the yellow dot bobbin holder that had served me well through a large number of various projects, including blocks 1-3 and the first half of block 4, is in my trash barrel awaiting garbage pickup Monday, the #4 block is finished and block 5 of 9 is mostly finished. Again, THANK YOU so much!!!! I was pretty doggone certain something was wrong with the position of that ‘flipper’ other than my memory of it. I have no idea why or how it happened or why or how that yellow dot bobbin case went ‘haywire’ on me like that. - Cat (FL) Typos courtesy of autocorrect. |
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Cat - N
Thank you for your reply. The issue was the 'flipper on the right side rather than the bar across the top rear, but ultimately, the 'flipper' returned to its home position after a good night's sleep and the machine works perfectly after I changed the yellow dot bobbin holder and did a whole bunch of testing. I have no idea how it happened or what happened, but my 15000 took a serious dislike to the yellow dot bobbin holder I have been using for a few years...or maybe the bobbin holder wanted to see the world from the back of the garbage truck coming to pick it up soon...dunno. But it's funny...I see the view inside the bobbin area all the time, and recognize when it's wrong, but didn't remember exactly what the 'home position' of that little 'flipper' was even though I was relatively certain it was wrong.
Again, thank you for your help.
- Cat (FL)
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From: Gayle Booth <gayleobooth@...> To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2022 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Did my Janome 15000 Break Something? Your bobbin case looks like mine. That bar across the top is supposed to be there. Maybe brush the lint out, change the needle & try again with slowed down speed.
Gayle
The one who plants trees, knowing that he will never sit in their shade, has at least started to understand the meaning of life.
Rabindranath Tagore
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Carole O'Mara
I have been following the thread about the yellow bobbin case. I was doing a design that I’d had for a number of years and embroidered it on my 12K. I now have 15K. It’s a small design but heavily stitched but only 3 colors. I used the yellow bobbin. It stitched the first color beautifully. The second color created huge nests on the back. I tried different stabilizers, switched to the red and different needles. No luck. All was in place with the yellow bobbin. I realized that it had to be the thread. I was using Janome embroidery thread for designs 1 and 3 in the sequence. But a different brand on design 2, the one that caused the nests and thread breaks. To test, I then used a Janome thread on design 2. Perfect!! The other brand is a large spool and was on a vertical holder. Should I use a ‘net’ on these large spools? I didn’t think there would be so much a difference in threads to cause the initial results I got. Carole
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Cat - N
I’ve had a couple threads that just don’t like to run without repetitive breaking. Not just the 15000…I have had some serger threads that didn’t like to run. Both kinds were black in color, as I recall. I use the yellow dot bobbin holder much of the time because I need that tension on the bottom since, unless I need a color match…like for hubby’s Hawaiian shirts…I use prewound Janome bobbins which come with Janome’s choice of Robison-Anton thread…which works well for me. If I change to the red dot bobbin holder to sew, using the prewounds, the stitching is less than ideal and I’m not a huge fan of ripping. I have racked my brain over ‘why’ I had the issue and wondering if it was some anomalous circumstance of the thread coming out of the take up lever at precisely the moment the 15000 tried to measure remaining bobbin thread…which was low, actually, but there was plenty to stitch out that placement line…and the last two stitches ‘lasso’d’ the ‘flipper’ or something else equally rare. Maybe I’m way off but my techie mind would like to understand, especially if I can alter the future so it never happens again…that was worse than Halloween scary!!! LOL Typos courtesy of autocorrect.
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Zelda Little <kzelda42@...>
its amazing how different threads work. I have a problem I have a janome 350e. I changed the speed to sew slower however. now I cant change the speed it just sews slowly. can anyone help please. regards zelda On 12 Dec 2022, at 16:31, Carole O'Mara <caroleinco@...> wrote:
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