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12000 Machine for Sale

Sue Raabe <susies.stitches@...>
 

I have a question.  I'm planning on selling my 12000 so I can get the 15000, but I'm not sure how much to ask for it, and whether to included the extras I bought, or sell them separately.  The book doesn't mention the 5 thread spool holder, but it was on my machine.  I also bought the case that holds all the feet.  Since it comes with the 15000, there's no reason to keep it.  I also have the optional large hoop, but I don't know what it's called!  As part of the promotion, I also have a bunch of stabilizer, and Jenny Haskins thread.  I have enough thread and stabilizer, so unless it isn't worth selling, I might as well.  I'm wondering if the thread and stabilizer should be advertised on a site designed for selling all sorts of sewing, quilting and embroidery items.  (I check it daily to see if there are any 12000 machines for sale, but I've only seen one, and haven't seen any posts that said it had been sold.)  Is it permissible to try selling it on this group? I've seen a few, but would rather"play by the rules" if it isn't allowed.  I don't particularly want  to use e-bay, because I don't have any sales record, and people are hesitant to spend that kind of money with an unknown seller.  The one time I sold one there, the highest bidder didn't respond to my invoice, so I ended up selling it to the next highest bidder even though it was a little under my reserve. I need to sell it to pay for the 15000 :-)  Thanks for any advice or suggestions anyone has.  I don't want to overcharge, but can't afford to under price either.

This list is a poor place to sell a 12000, since most members already have a 12000 or 15000. I'm allowing this one post in order to bring up some important points.

- Regarding your optional big hoop, you'll want to keep that because it will fit on the 15000.
- Regarding the thread and stabilizer, you are probably better off bundling it with the machine as a special freebie.
- As you point out eBay is not a great venue and it's expensive.
- The "Sew It's For Sale" list is better, but you still have the issues of trust and shipping.
- Selling local is best, using something like Craig's List. You still have to be careful, as there are scammers everywhere. We recommend cash only terms, meeting at the police station or a very public place.
- Don't discount the idea of trading it in. No, you won't get top dollar, but you also will not have a lot of hassle. Don't be afraid to negotiate with your dealer.

Virginia
 

The big hoop I believe you are referring to is the Quilting Hoop which is also standard with the 15,000.  Keep in mind Sue the 12,000 is going to be 5 years old this Fall and the 15,000 is going to be 3 years old this Fall.  Perhaps you should hold on to your 12,000 a little bit longer until the Fall perhaps we will see a new machine then and remember the differences in the 12,000 and the 15,000 are not that different.  Same hoops mostly same designs, same feet etc.  Perhaps the Fall will bring better surprises for us.  If not I am sure the 15,000 will still be available for you to make that decision then.  Just saying!

Virginia


-----Original Message-----
From: Sue Raabe susies.stitches@... [janome12000]
To: janome12000
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 8:05 am
Subject: [janome12000] 12000 Machine for Sale

 
I have a question.  I'm planning on selling my 12000 so I can get the 15000, but I'm not sure how much to ask for it, and whether to included the extras I bought, or sell them separately.  The book doesn't mention the 5 thread spool holder, but it was on my machine.  I also bought the case that holds all the feet.  Since it comes with the 15000, there's no reason to keep it.  I also have the optional large hoop, but I don't know what it's called!  As part of the promotion, I also have a bunch of stabilizer, and Jenny Haskins thread.  I have enough thread and stabilizer, so unless it isn't worth selling, I might as well.  I'm wondering if the thread and stabilizer should be advertised on a site designed for selling all sorts of sewing, quilting and embroidery items.  (I check it daily to see if there are any 12000 machines for sale, but I've only seen one, and haven't seen any posts that said it had been sold.)  Is it permissible to try selling it on this group? I've seen a few, but would rather"play by the rules" if it isn't allowed.  I don't particularly want  to use e-bay, because I don't have any sales record, and people are hesitant to spend that kind of money with an unknown seller.  The one time I sold one there, the highest bidder didn't respond to my invoice, so I ended up selling it to the next highest bidder even though it was a little under my reserve. I need to sell it to pay for the 15000 :-)  Thanks for any advice or suggestions anyone has.  I don't want to overcharge, but can't afford to under price either.

This list is a poor place to sell a 12000, since most members already have a 12000 or 15000. I'm allowing this one post in order to bring up some important points.

- Regarding your optional big hoop, you'll want to keep that because it will fit on the 15000.
- Regarding the thread and stabilizer, you are probably better off bundling it with the machine as a special freebie.
- As you point out eBay is not a great venue and it's expensive.
- The "Sew It's For Sale" list is better, but you still have the issues of trust and shipping.
- Selling local is best, using something like Craig's List. You still have to be careful, as there are scammers everywhere. We recommend cash only terms, meeting at the police station or a very public place.
- Don't discount the idea of trading it in. No, you won't get top dollar, but you also will not have a lot of hassle. Don't be afraid to negotiate with your dealer.

Vikki Youngmeyer
 

I traded two machines  Janome 6500 & 350e when I bought my 12000 when it first came out. I got a really good deal on it. Three years later I got a really good deal from the same dealer when I purchased the 15000. It’s worth a shot to see what deal you get. You may not get as good a deal, but dealing with a local dealer you may get a better deal in the long run, as you don’t have to worry about meeting people in your home to look at your machines.  I had extras for both machines. I kept the stabilizer and thread because I knew I would be using it on the next generation machine.

 

Vikki

Houston, TX

 

Lucy Akers
 

I agree with Virginia. I was waiting to hear of a new machine and then went ahead and bought the 15000. It is very little different from my 12000 and I'm sorry I didn't just wait.

Linda M <linlefmul@...>
 

The 12000 is more like the 11000 which I used to have..  My dealer said it wasn't worth the upgrade but when the 15000 came out, it was very different to the 11000 and the 12000, I just don't see why you say there is not much difference between the 12000 and the 15000..  WIFI comes to mind..., better lighting and the list goes on and on.
Linda

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:49 AM, akerslucy@... [janome12000] <janome12000@...> wrote:
 

I agree with Virginia. I was waiting to hear of a new machine and then went ahead and bought the 15000. It is very little different from my 12000 and I'm sorry I didn't just wait.




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Linda M.

Sue Raabe <susies.stitches@...>
 

Thanks for the advice, and also that this list isn't the place to list it.  Sometimes I overlook the obvious .  I was focusing on where to try selling it. I didn't realize the 12000 is 5 years old.  I'll definitely keep that in mind when I list it somewhere.  I asked my dealer what I would get in a trade.  He said he couldn't afford to take a trade in. Maybe because he gave away the thread and stabilizer? Hopefully  that, the large hoop, the thread stand, and   the box for the feet, it will be more appealing.
I'm very grateful to have the safety issues addressed.  It makes complete sense to meet at a safe place.  It isn't a good idea to have strangers coming to the house. I'll have to figure out how to get it into the car, because I can't lift it, and it's probably isn't a good to keep it in the car.  Maybe I can use the rolling tote with a stable ramp.  I have one we got for our dog. and he never used it.
Thanks again for all the advice.  Any thing I get for it will lower my payments on the 1500.  Anytime I've financed a machine,  it was 48 months  interest free.  To keep his prices lower, he finances them in house for 24 months.  I can't imagine what the other dealers must give to pay the credit card company to do that. At least I have a direction to follow!

Sue Raabe <susies.stitches@...>
 

I attended the Jenny Haskins 2 day event where we had the chance to try out the 15000.  The differences were things that made it easier for me, but may not make a difference to everyone.  I really like the automatic needle threader; the machine I had before had one, and made it easier for me.  The larger screen and colored icons were helpful as well.  I don't know if it will make a huge difference, but I was the one who was tempted and acted on it.  whatever I did can't be undone, and I accept the responsibility for it. Nobody made me buy it. The 15000 is still in the box, and I'm sure I wouldn't get enough for it if I sold it.  Even though it's brand new, I'm sure people would prefer to buy one from a dealer.  This isn't the first time I've done something impulsively, but this time I'm going to put it behind me instead of stewing over it.  Compared to other things that have happened in my life, this doesn't rate anywhere near the top.  The phrase that's it"s only money" seems to be appropriate at this point.   Right now, getting something for either of them will reduce the monthly payments.  All the replies I got from my original post have definitely helped me put it in perspective,  and the safety suggestions made me realize that I wasn't thinking of everything, since I tend to rush into things without thinking it all through :-)  Reading all your responses made me think, and use this as a sounding board.  I appreciate all your advice.  At last,  I'm finally going to my first lesson (in 3 years) on Friday.   After that, I have Jim and Diane's videos to help me figure things out.  All of you helped me think of everything I need to consider.

cas <cas@...>
 

Sue, did you ask around at other dealers to see what type of deal they would give you?  Many will give a pretty good trade-in price and some deal with Synchrony finance which often has 60 months interest free financing on such a large purchase.
 
I sold my 11000 on ebay and got much more than I would from my dealer.  I have 100% feedback, which helps, but most of it if from buying, not selling expensive items.  I did send a large flat screen TV to Panama though. 
 
It worked out well for me because the first time it sold the lady backed out but I listed it again for a much higher bottom line and it sold for more than that.  If you put “free bonus” in the title it really grabs them if you want to sell the extras.  I had a bonus straight stitch plate and foot.  I also listed it with them paying exact shipping based on their location.  It still cost me money because I paid an  extra $30 for a big enough box to safely ship it. I had the original box but still put it in another box with extra padding.   I was bummed she didn’t give feedback after all that!
 
eBay now has the protection for the buyer that they guarantee a refund if the buyer doesn’t get what they paid for, so people are not as leery as you may think, and many of them have paypal credit so they buy there instead of a local store.
 
btw I listed it on Craigslist and most people expect you to practically give it away it seems.  Or, they don’t have that kind of cash to buy it straight out.
 
You may want to consider keeping it if you can’t get a decent price.  I’m glad I have another machine here so I can do other stuff if the 15000 is tied up. 
 
Good luck!
Cas

juliadlf1 <no_reply@...>
 

Sue: There is a group on Facebook called "Janome Owners Like Us"  which there is a pinned post within the group where you can list your used Janome machines,etc For Sale. I wasn't sure if you've tried that already. Also on Facebook is a Sew Its For Sale group for selling used machines (all brands). Thought to mention that  if you haven't already tried those sources.

Good luck. Ebay is a good source but be aware that both Ebay and Paypal take fees from the total sale which includes your sale price and any shipping costs you are charging the buyers.

Julia
NY

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