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acufill hoops w/magnets
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laucke2011@...
Hi I am using the above hoop but having trouble with the magnets popping off, any way to stop this, I was quilting cotton top , cotton wool batting and flannel bottom., it is really frustrating when you get it to machine and the magnets pop off. Naomi
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juliadlf.ny@...
If you set the quilt sandwich too tight some will pop off. I've used a low loft batting with cotton top and backing and I had the same issue when I first started using it. I'm going to look to see if I can buy additional magnets for that hoop. I thought if I had 3 on each side it would hold better in the hoop. Probably a pain to keep taking so many off to hoop the quilt to the next section but I think it may help. Julia
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Cheryl Paul
Hi,
I just finished a large baby quilt where I had a pieced top, whilte and natural and then a minky backing. I had the issue with the magnets popping off - the first was the very worst as I was moving the quilt to the machine. Once I got it on the machine, I didn't take it off and I found that the top 2 magnets were the worst - they just would not stay on. I then tried an extra couple of large magnets, but that was no better, just more to pop off. I then tried to little ones for the SQ23 hoop and that worked - sort off. I managed to do about 25 hoops and only the last big one of the centre of the quilt screwd up - I removed the stitches, cussed a little and went back at it. I did a different design around the border and even with less fabric - like the top and sometimes the backing, the magnets would be naughty and pop off. It was frustrating but you just preserver and put them back on, gently hold the quilt down while it stitches - hands out of the way of the needle - slow down the speed and you should be fine. Be sure that you push the magnets down as tight as you can. I didn't remove the hoop except to change bobbins when the thread ran out. I was amazed that there was no pressure on the embroidery arm - but do be careful that you support the arm if needed. I also moved the hoop to the front centre as then I could see what I was doing. Don't give up. You can do it, even if it takes you a bit longer than you like. Cheryl = Saskatoon |
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jcole110 <no_reply@...>
I have used AQ hoops since they were first introduced for the MC11000. I have successfully quilted minkee backings, heavily pieced quilts with flannel backings and several quilts with heavily embroidered tops and 2 layers of warm and natural batting. There is always a seam or embroidery that will cause one or more magnetics to slowly rise off the hoop but if you are vigilant you can catch these and reseat them before they actually come off. The problem with magnets popping off the hoop is usually caused by inadequate support for the weight of the quilt rather than the thickness of the materials. The magnets can hold everything together for embroidery but they are no match for the weight of the quilt. I started embroidering intricate quilting designs on my charity quilts with my MC1000, well before Janome came out with the AQ hoops and before the more robust embroidery arm. In order to not distort your quilting design and not pop the magnets you need to insure there is no drag on your embroidery arm or hoop. The set-up you would use for free motion quilting is what you want to replicate. You want to use the extension table to support the hoop and then tables in back and to the left side to take up the weight of the quilt--making sure you do not impede the embroidery arm. Leave enough bunched up quilt around the hoop so there is no pull during the embroidery. You need to sit and hold the weight of the quilt off the front and right edges of the hoop and to monitor everything else. Unquilting unsuccessful machine embroidered quilting is a very big challenge. Once you have your set-up perfected your popping problem should be solved. |
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laucke2011@...
I have the horn sewing table not cabinet and I can support everything and still the magnets will pop off, I am going to try using extra magnets, but not the janome ones just some flat ones . Naomi
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Carl Fuller
The hoops with magnets should be considered as hoops with plastic
clips. The more mass in between the clip and the hoop, the less the magnet has holding power. So, in an Accufill operation where you might be trying to stipple a complete quilt, constant vigilance keeping the weight of the quilt off the movement of the hoop is your friend. The magnets/clips are great for single layers of material and maybe some stabilizer and you can really feel the pull of the magnet in that case. But they aren't going to adequately keep a quilt sandwich in place while trying to drag the rest of a quilt around the table top. First, without assisting the movement and keeping the sewing machine arm and motors from pulling the weight of too much material, the hoop will drag, warp, twist and bend out of shape. I finished an 'in the hoop' quilting job on a king sized quilt, never had the sandwich pop off the hoop. Being as it was an embroidered quilt sandwich, I didn't have to 'quilt/stipple' the total mass. Each block was handled in the hoop, then the blocks assembled into the quilt. The magnets aren't doing much work in reality when a quilt sandwich is involved. Consider them to assist in keeping themselves from getting lost. The clips, when properly in place, hold a good bit of material and do very well. I strongly suspect any clips that pop off, are being put under too much 'weight/stress' trying to move large quantities of quilt around the table. These are not long arm machines, they have their limits. Without writing a book, check your method of hooking the clips on. I personally found that 'angled, leaning towards the inside of the hoop and 'pressed and rocked to the outside gave me the best clipping and tension performance. Putting the inside of the clips 'hook' in place and then pressing downward and outward with a rocking motion to get the outside of the clip 'hooked'....... whew..... Hope this doesn't sound harsh, it's not meant to. Just food for thought and mileage might vary. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Gail Berkler
One can also use the jumbo clips. I find those work quite well, however, they too also bear watching.
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ceilsews <no_reply@...>
Carl, What you say makes sense to me as I quilted one block with no problem. The magnets didn't even hint that they might pop off. So, if you can quilt one block without a problem, then the issue is the weight of the quilt pulling on the magnets. There are some people who attach a hook or hooks to their ceiling over the machine area then suspend clips from cord to help support the weight of the quilt when they free motion quilt. Such an arrangement might be helpful for embroidering the quilt too. Ceil ---In janome12000@..., <cfuller3@...> wrote : The hoops with magnets should be considered as hoops with plastic clips. The more mass in between the clip and the hoop, the less the magnet has holding power. So, in an Accufill operation where you might be trying to stipple a complete quilt, constant vigilance keeping the weight of the quilt off the movement of the hoop is your friend. The magnets/clips are great for single layers of material and maybe some stabilizer and you can really feel the pull of the magnet in that case. But they aren't going to adequately keep a quilt sandwich in place while trying to drag the rest of a quilt around the table top. First, without assisting the movement and keeping the sewing machine arm and motors from pulling the weight of too much material, the hoop will drag, warp, twist and bend out of shape. I finished an 'in the hoop' quilting job on a king sized quilt, never had the sandwich pop off the hoop. Being as it was an embroidered quilt sandwich, I didn't have to 'quilt/stipple' the total mass. Each block was handled in the hoop, then the blocks assembled into the quilt. The magnets aren't doing much work in reality when a quilt sandwich is involved. Consider them to assist in keeping themselves from getting lost. The clips, when properly in place, hold a good bit of material and do very well. I strongly suspect any clips that pop off, are being put under too much 'weight/stress' trying to move large quantities of quilt around the table. These are not long arm machines, they have their limits. Without writing a book, check your method of hooking the clips on. I personally found that 'angled, leaning towards the inside of the hoop and 'pressed and rocked to the outside gave me the best clipping and tension performance. Putting the inside of the clips 'hook' in place and then pressing downward and outward with a rocking motion to get the outside of the clip 'hooked'....... whew..... Hope this doesn't sound harsh, it's not meant to. Just food for thought and mileage might vary. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Virginia
When hooping with the magnets be sure you have the magnet pushed down straight and you will feel a little snap or catch. With the GR hoop and the SQ hoops they are not meant to be hooped with heavy layers of fabric they are to keep the top and bottom hoop together for you. The Acuquilt hoop and magnets will do the job as long as you are sure the magnets are straight up. I have never had an issue with my magnets coming off with either the 11,000 quilting hoops or my 12,000 hoops.
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Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Carl cfuller3@... [janome12000] To: janome12000 Sent: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 8:45 am Subject: [janome12000] Re: acufill hoops w/magnets The hoops with magnets should be considered as hoops with plastic
clips. The more mass in between the clip and the hoop, the less the magnet has holding power. So, in an Accufill operation where you might be trying to stipple a complete quilt, constant vigilance keeping the weight of the quilt off the movement of the hoop is your friend. The magnets/clips are great for single layers of material and maybe some stabilizer and you can really feel the pull of the magnet in that case. But they aren't going to adequately keep a quilt sandwich in place while trying to drag the rest of a quilt around the table top. First, without assisting the movement and keeping the sewing machine arm and motors from pulling the weight of too much material, the hoop will drag, warp, twist and bend out of shape. I finished an 'in the hoop' quilting job on a king sized quilt, never had the sandwich pop off the hoop. Being as it was an embroidered quilt sandwich, I didn't have to 'quilt/stipple' the total mass. Each block was handled in the hoop, then the blocks assembled into the quilt. The magnets aren't doing much work in reality when a quilt sandwich is involved. Consider them to assist in keeping themselves from getting lost. The clips, when properly in place, hold a good bit of material and do very well. I strongly suspect any clips that pop off, are being put under too much 'weight/stress' trying to move large quantities of quilt around the table. These are not long arm machines, they have their limits. Without writing a book, check your method of hooking the clips on. I personally found that 'angled, leaning towards the inside of the hoop and 'pressed and rocked to the outside gave me the best clipping and tension performance. Putting the inside of the clips 'hook' in place and then pressing downward and outward with a rocking motion to get the outside of the clip 'hooked'....... whew..... Hope this doesn't sound harsh, it's not meant to. Just food for thought and mileage might vary. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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HEATHER COWAN
I have had no trouble with my magnets holding heavy fabrics. Sometimes I don't even bother using them all as the hoop works well with four or six. Could your magnets be damaged .. Plastic can get stretched. Can you try someone else's magnets or borrow some from a shop to try. Not everything comes from the factory perfect. I once had trouble with stitch quality on a machine ... Drove me nuts (short drive) and I spent many hours trying to find a resolution. Turned out I had a package of plastic bobbins which were all warped. Good luck with a solution. Love the in the hoop quilting Hugs heather Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:22 AM, "Gail Berkler gberkler@... [janome12000]" <janome12000@...> wrote:
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Cheryl Paul
I used the ASQ22 hoop for the whole baby quilt that I made for my grandson - some magnets popped off every single hooping - but I persevered and the quilt is quilted. I have several sets of the magnets as I kept some from my 11000 that I gave to my daughter (in case she ever came with the machine to sew here and forgot hers at home). I didn't matter - I know that this quilt was just to thick for this project - I will probably never use the combination of fabrics again to quilt this way. I believe it was over-kill to use a nice cotton top, a quilt batting AND then minky for the backing - but we have cold winters here. Then again what kid has ever kept blankets on when they sleep! I was very pleased with the quilt when it was all finished and I only had one mishap and that was easily fixed - only about 500 stitches to remove and it was the very last block, so I was lucky. What I did learn was that the little magnets when they popped off they would move into the sewing area whereas the big ones just fell right beside where they were. That did create some stress - as I wouldn't have wanted the needle to catch one of those. Another thing was that the design took only about 5 minutes to sew out and not a full speed either, so it wasn't a long wait until the next hooping.
I just have to comment on the use of this hoop - my understanding is that Acufill is meant to be able to do large quilts - why would Janome have developed a program to do multiple hooping for any other reason. I did not ever let this quilt drag so that was not the problem - the thickness was, but once I had started it needed to be finished, and I managed to live through it. Cheryl - Saskatoon |
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J Fraker
When I am quilting with the embroidery machine, I hoop only the top and batting. Then the backing can be added by just doing some stitching in the ditch around blocks. Sometimes embroidery doesn't look great on the back anyway, and this eliminates any of it showing. It also makes it much easier to quilt by reducing the bulk. The extra time needed to add the backing is offset by the fact that the quilting is much easier. From: "capaul@... [janome12000]"
To: janome12000@... Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: acufill hoops w/magnets I used the ASQ22 hoop for the whole baby quilt that I made for my grandson - some magnets popped off every single hooping - but I persevered and the quilt is quilted. I have several sets of the magnets as I kept some from my 11000 that I gave to my daughter (in case she ever came with the machine to sew here and forgot hers at home). I didn't matter - I know that this quilt was just to thick for this project - I will probably never use the combination of fabrics again to quilt this way. I believe it was over-kill to use a nice cotton top, a quilt batting AND then minky for the backing - but we have cold winters here. Then again what kid has ever kept blankets on when they sleep! I was very pleased with the quilt when it was all finished and I only had one mishap and that was easily fixed - only about 500 stitches to remove and it was the very last block, so I was lucky. What I did learn was that the little
magnets when they popped off they would move into the sewing area whereas the big ones just fell right beside where they were. That did create some stress - as I wouldn't have wanted the needle to catch one of those. Another thing was that the design took only about 5 minutes to sew out and not a full speed either, so it wasn't a long wait until the next hooping. I just have to comment on the use of this hoop - my understanding is that Acufill is meant to be able to do large quilts - why would Janome have developed a program to do multiple hooping for any other reason. I did not ever let this quilt drag so that was not the problem - the thickness was, but once I had started it needed to be finished, and I managed to live through it. Cheryl - Saskatoon
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Mary Ann
Please tell us what the jumbo clips are and where to obtain them. thanks
From: janome12000@... [mailto:janome12000@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:20 AM To: janome12000@... Subject: Re: [janome12000] acufill hoops w/magnets
One can also use the jumbo clips. I find those work quite well, however, they too also bear watching.
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J Fraker
Yes, the whole quilt top is done. The batting is cut slightly larger than the quilt top. Then the top and batting are quilted. I start somewhere in the middle of the quilt and work my way outward all the way around. I can roll up the quilt top and find that I don't even have to do any pinning this way. I just quilt a small space, then smooth the batting outward and quilt another space, kind of working in circles outward from the center until the whole top is quilted. The backing is cut slightly larger than the now quilted top and batting. The backing is then layered with the already quilted top and batting and I just stitch in the ditch around some of the blocks using a walking foot. It isn't necessary for the backing to be densely
quilted, just the top and batting. This eliminates a lot of bulk when doing the actual quilting. It is kind of an extra step, but the time and effort it saves in not having to wrestle a huge quilt in the hoop more than makes up for it. From: "quiltless@... [janome12000]" To: janome12000@... Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: acufill hoops w/magnets I didn't understand J Fraker's response, but it sounds like a very interesting quilting method .
So you don't make the whole top before quilting? Is the batting cut to the same size as the quilt block? How do you join the blocks? ---In janome12000@..., wrote : When I am quilting with the embroidery machine, I hoop only the top and batting. Then the backing can be added by just doing some stitching in the ditch around blocks.
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joyofsew@...
From: J Fraker frakersfunnyfarm@... [janome12000] ; To: ; Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: acufill hoops w/magnets Sent: Sat, Aug 30, 2014 12:13:29 PM
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Benny Malone
This sounds like a great idea! It becomes a two step quilting process--parts, then the whole. The complicated quilting is done by the embroidery function of the machine and then switch to the machine's ordinary sewing function to structurally complete the quilt. No free-motion! After several classes and shoulder-aching aftermaths, I've decided that free-motioning quilting isn't for me. But I love the look, and myJanome 15000! Thanks for sharing this technique. Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2014, at 7:13 AM, "J Fraker frakersfunnyfarm@... [janome12000]" <janome12000@...> wrote:
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schwarzpam60@...
Hello, I just joined this group tonight. I have the 15000 and love it. I am curious about this not putting the backing on when using the acufill. Do you not have any problems with the batting getting caught? I also teach the use of the Janome machines and have not had any of my students have any problems with the magnets coming off. When you put the magnets on are you putting them on from the inside out, kinda like rolling them on? The fabric can't be pulled too tight, as well as someone already stated the weight of the quilt has to be supported.
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laucke2011@...
Yes I would have thought that batting would get caught and to me I wanted to do it all at once, and I have since sorted my problem with magnets popping off. Naomi
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J Fraker
I haven't had any problem with the batting getting caught. If you use a good quality batting, I think that would help. If you are worried, you could always slide a piece of lightweight stabilizer underneath. I do it that way because embroideries don't always look perfect on the back and because it reduces the bulk I have to deal with. To each his own, everyone has a different way of doing things. From: "laucke2011@... [janome12000]"
To: janome12000@... Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:15 PM Subject: [janome12000] Re: acufill hoops w/magnets Yes I would have thought that batting would get caught and to me I wanted to do it all at once, and I have since sorted my problem with magnets popping off. Naomi
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JoAnn Novak
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