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itsatweetything
 

I have the 12000. I've had it for 7  years. Love it. Is it worth it, to trade it in for the 15000?
What are the difference between the two machines?   I would really appreciate your
opinion.    Thank You very much.  Maureen


Cindy
 

I am also very interested in the response

Cindy Swenson 218-838-4090

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On Sun, 1/6/19, itsatweetything <itsatweetything@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [onlinesewing-janome] Question
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2019, 9:44 AM

I have the 12000. I've had it
for 7  years. Love it. Is it worth it, to trade it in
for the 15000?
What are the difference between the two machines? 
 I would really appreciate your
opinion.    Thank You very much.  Maureen


Pixey
 

So it has been a while since I traded in my 12000 for my 15000, but I will take a shot at answering your question. There were a lot of small refinements between the 12000 and the 15000 which individually would not seem that major, but taken collectively they added up to a much more user friendly machine.

On the surface, you have a lot more screen real estate for the actual design because the user interface does not have the “dial wheel” style of moving around that you had with the 12000. Is also felt it has a more user-friendly interface. One of the things I love with the interface of the 15000 (and subsequent embroidery machines) is the ability to follow the design with a crosshair that shows the actual path it is stitching and where it is in the design. The 15000 also tracks usage time sewing and standby status, which is helpful for keeping track of when to take it in for maintenance. I think we were all surprised to discover how much more time was spent with the machine in standby status than actually engaged in stitching.

Also, the 15000 has a fully automatic needle threader. Now some members have had their threaders act glitchy, but as long as I followed the directions and locked the machine, I have never had any problem.

Also, the 15000 seemed to work a lot smoother on small design elements.

At the time, some members suggested that the 12000 felt like the version that had been rushed to market without sufficient user testing, but that the 15000 seemed to be the more finished product.

Another thing about the 15000 is that it comes with the Acufil Quilting hoop and rather than be a separate software, it is totally integrated into the HorizonLink Suite.

You don’t indicate which version of the 15000, you are thinking to upgrade to. There are actually 3. There was a version 1 machine, then they came out with a version 2 machine that seemed to fix a few minor glitches (this was the version I got), then they came out fairly recently with the Quiltmaker version. It was possible to upgrade an existing version 2 machine to the Quiltmaker level. In the US, the dealer changes out a few parts and does a software upgrade, you get a link from Janome to an upgraded version of HorizonLink Suite, and you get an additional set of “specialty feel and a special straight stitch plate to work with a true 1/4 width but also more effectively engage the feed dogs.

Hope this is helpful.

Pixey

On Jan 6, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Cindy via Groups.Io <cmcswenson=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I am also very interested in the response

Cindy Swenson 218-838-4090

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On Sun, 1/6/19, itsatweetything <itsatweetything@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [onlinesewing-janome] Question
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2019, 9:44 AM

I have the 12000. I've had it
for 7 years. Love it. Is it worth it, to trade it in
for the 15000?
What are the difference between the two machines?
I would really appreciate your
opinion. Thank You very much. Maureen






favymtz
 

Some of the Differences between the 12000 and 15000:
15000 is a little larger in size, enough that if your sewing table has an insert it may not be large enough for a 15000
Screen on the 15K is superior: in size, clarity and color. The screen on the 12K wasted a lot of space with that "dial" on the bottom
SAME hoops. except the AQS22 comes with the 15k,  it's not an extra. Both machines the RE18 hoops are extra purchases.
Embroidery Stitch Limit: 100,000 stitches vs. 200,000 stitches
Clothsetter: Uses the same one for both
Decorative Stitches: More available on the 15k, 
Tapered Stitches: Only on the 15k
HP foot and Plate: Only on the 15k
Ruler Work foot comes with 15k
WiFi Connectivity: Only on the 15k
IPad Apps: Free: AcuEdit, AcuSetter,  AcuSketch, AcuMonitor: available to use on the 15000 very easily with WiFi connection
AcuDesign: Free with purchase of 15000 with the code provided.
The AcuDesign and AcuSketch apps can be used with a 12000 but the designs have to be saved to a storage source and then loaded onto the 12000

I'm sure there are more differences, but All in all they are both fabulous machines, I have both, and use them both!
Faviola


Linda M Robertson <lindamrobertson7@...>
 

Well it helps me. Wish I could afford the 15000.

Thanks

Linda

On Jan 6, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Pixey via Groups.Io <pixeyam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

So it has been a while since I traded in my 12000 for my 15000, but I will take a shot at answering your question. There were a lot of small refinements between the 12000 and the 15000 which individually would not seem that major, but taken collectively they added up to a much more user friendly machine.

On the surface, you have a lot more screen real estate for the actual design because the user interface does not have the “dial wheel” style of moving around that you had with the 12000. Is also felt it has a more user-friendly interface. One of the things I love with the interface of the 15000 (and subsequent embroidery machines) is the ability to follow the design with a crosshair that shows the actual path it is stitching and where it is in the design. The 15000 also tracks usage time sewing and standby status, which is helpful for keeping track of when to take it in for maintenance. I think we were all surprised to discover how much more time was spent with the machine in standby status than actually engaged in stitching.

Also, the 15000 has a fully automatic needle threader. Now some members have had their threaders act glitchy, but as long as I followed the directions and locked the machine, I have never had any problem.

Also, the 15000 seemed to work a lot smoother on small design elements.

At the time, some members suggested that the 12000 felt like the version that had been rushed to market without sufficient user testing, but that the 15000 seemed to be the more finished product.

Another thing about the 15000 is that it comes with the Acufil Quilting hoop and rather than be a separate software, it is totally integrated into the HorizonLink Suite.

You don’t indicate which version of the 15000, you are thinking to upgrade to. There are actually 3. There was a version 1 machine, then they came out with a version 2 machine that seemed to fix a few minor glitches (this was the version I got), then they came out fairly recently with the Quiltmaker version. It was possible to upgrade an existing version 2 machine to the Quiltmaker level. In the US, the dealer changes out a few parts and does a software upgrade, you get a link from Janome to an upgraded version of HorizonLink Suite, and you get an additional set of “specialty feel and a special straight stitch plate to work with a true 1/4 width but also more effectively engage the feed dogs.

Hope this is helpful.

Pixey
On Jan 6, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Cindy via Groups.Io <cmcswenson=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I am also very interested in the response

Cindy Swenson 218-838-4090

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On Sun, 1/6/19, itsatweetything <itsatweetything@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [onlinesewing-janome] Question
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2019, 9:44 AM

I have the 12000. I've had it
for 7 years. Love it. Is it worth it, to trade it in
for the 15000?
What are the difference between the two machines?
I would really appreciate your
opinion. Thank You very much. Maureen








itsatweetything
 

Thank you for that information.  It helps.  They said I could get the 15000, for just under $10,000, but that did not
include my trade in, of the 12000.  What do you think  a trade in, amount would be?  And is the cost of the
1500, seem reasonable?  I am thinking with the trade in, I could get the 15000 for about $3,00 or $4,000.
Are my thoughts out of line? Or what do you think?


Pam Davison
 

A lot of dealers give you little to nothing for a trade in.  Your expectations of what you would get for your 12000 as a trade in might be a stretch.


From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of itsatweetything <itsatweetything@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 8:35:41 AM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Question
 
Thank you for that information.  It helps.  They said I could get the 15000, for just under $10,000, but that did not
include my trade in, of the 12000.  What do you think  a trade in, amount would be?  And is the cost of the
1500, seem reasonable?  I am thinking with the trade in, I could get the 15000 for about $3,00 or $4,000.
Are my thoughts out of line? Or what do you think?


Marsha_Comcast
 

I bought my 15000 during a Janome event at my Dealer. So it was a lower price, extra thread packages, extra trade in amount, and I know it’s different each promo. They also had 0% financing. So if you can catch one of those you might get a better combination deal. 


juliadlf.ny@...
 

Linda: I was in the same thought process you are going through. I started a year ago by researching the differences in the machine on the Janome site, then
reading posts on this forum as well as Facebook from those who bought the 15000. Many of what has already been mentioned is why I upgraded.

The one problem that consistently cropped up from owners with the 15000 was the automatic needle threader. Was it user error or a real problem with the machine? I do know that in order for the automatic needle threader to work on the Quiltmaker 15000, you have to lock the machine otherwise the button that you push on the machine will not light up nor work. A good reminder feature. However, I did run into an issue with the threader after doing 8 embroidery blocks where I had to change threads multiple times to different colors.  I took the machine into the dealer and they fixed it with a new one and not a problem since.  The second issue I see a lot of complaints is the WiFi. I have had no issue.

I went with the latest machine release (Quiltmaker 15000) out of the box in May 2018 because I do a lot of various projects and many of the features I would use plus I didn't have to constantly do or buy "add-ons". The only add on  I'm keeping from my 12000 is the RE18 Hoop which I purchased everything else is included in the new machine. 
The larger screen and ease of moving through functions is different from the 12000. BUT, the 15000 and 12000 stitch quality is exactly the same.  I will never use all the stitches you could do on either of these machines. The manual threader on the 12000 worked perfect for me. I loved my 12000 and had it a very long time and it took a lot of back and forth over a year to finally decide it was time to change.

Neither machine is cheap so choose wisely and those "Janome Specials" run several times a year with different offers so don't feel pressured.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Julia


Carole O'Mara
 

Some thoughts.  My dealer gave me $4000 for my 12000, plus the extra accessories that I had bought.  Since I did a trade in, the cost of the 15K was $12,000 (MSRP)  was based on the $12,000.  If I had bought it w/o trade in cost would be $10,000.  Big difference.  We have an eBay store here where they will advertise on eBay, do the packing/shipping which would be paid by buyer.  Then, store owner takes his share, eBay takes theirs and you get something less than the advertised selling price.  It was easier for me to trade in.

So, since the MSRP is @ $12,000, with my trade in of $4,000, cost was $8,000.  Be sure to do the numbers before you commit.  

Good luck.
Carole





Marilyn York <sewnqlt21842@...>
 

I am regrettably getting ready to move and will be selling my 15000 , along with others. My husband is Stage 6 Alzheimer’s disease.
My machine is upgraded to the latest version.  It has very few hours. If you want to talk with me, contact me at (sewnqlt21842@...) I guarantee you, you would be very happy with the price. 
Just let me know. 
Marilyn


Cheryl Paul
 

I think that you will be lucky to be allowed $3000 for your 12000. I traded my 12000 even up for an Elna 860 which was $2,885 - less than $3000 and this was 3 years ago. The 12000 is already 7-8 years old in technology. Why not wait until fall and see if a new machine is launched, then you would be right up to date in technology.

You’d be better to pay cash and sell your 12000 privately on eBay or some other internet selling site.

Cheryl - Saskatoon


LindaB 1
 

Interested ! Tried emailing but the email addres is only partial. Where are you from?
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LindaB


Jim Stutsman
 

For security purposes the list software obscures part of email addresses. To respond to Marilyn's post about her 15000 for sale email her using this address with the blank spaces removed: sewnqlt21842 @ gmail.com