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Re: 12000 Machine for Sale

Sue Raabe <susies.stitches@...>
 

I attended the Jenny Haskins 2 day event where we had the chance to try out the 15000.  The differences were things that made it easier for me, but may not make a difference to everyone.  I really like the automatic needle threader; the machine I had before had one, and made it easier for me.  The larger screen and colored icons were helpful as well.  I don't know if it will make a huge difference, but I was the one who was tempted and acted on it.  whatever I did can't be undone, and I accept the responsibility for it. Nobody made me buy it. The 15000 is still in the box, and I'm sure I wouldn't get enough for it if I sold it.  Even though it's brand new, I'm sure people would prefer to buy one from a dealer.  This isn't the first time I've done something impulsively, but this time I'm going to put it behind me instead of stewing over it.  Compared to other things that have happened in my life, this doesn't rate anywhere near the top.  The phrase that's it"s only money" seems to be appropriate at this point.   Right now, getting something for either of them will reduce the monthly payments.  All the replies I got from my original post have definitely helped me put it in perspective,  and the safety suggestions made me realize that I wasn't thinking of everything, since I tend to rush into things without thinking it all through :-)  Reading all your responses made me think, and use this as a sounding board.  I appreciate all your advice.  At last,  I'm finally going to my first lesson (in 3 years) on Friday.   After that, I have Jim and Diane's videos to help me figure things out.  All of you helped me think of everything I need to consider.


Re: Sulky Puffy Foam Disaster

Mike Adams
 

Pam,

You are not the only one that has had problems with editing and converting design files to .JEF format using the 6D and Premier+ software.  My wife and I had nothing but problems with the stitch-outs as well....to a point that I quit using it for the 15000. 

My wife bought a Babylock Destiny a few months ago and we got a free copy of Floriani Total Control U as part of the deal.  It seems to convert the files to ,JEF accurately and I have not had any problem stitching them out on our 15000.

I am not recommending the Floriani software, only sharing our experience.

Mike

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---In janome12000@..., <pamyjo2001@...> wrote :

Sorry this is long but I want to give as many details as possible.

 

Twice now I have sewn with puffy foam on my 15000 and each time I ended up having to take my machine in for repair.

 

I have sewn successfully with Sulky puffy foam in the past on others machines.  I suspect it is something I am doing wrong.

 

I use 6D embroidery software and puffy foam font, save /export the design as a PES file and stitch out on my Brother 6 needle with the puffy foam just fine.  The software shows the brother 6 needle as one of the machines.  6D’s native format is VP3.

 

When I use 6D embroidery software and the puffy foam font on my Janome 15000 it causes major problems and I really wonder if this software does not translate a JEF file so well (I create the design and save/export as a JEF file).  The latest Janome machine this software shows is the 12000 and it uses the machine to save the design.  I suspect the software because thread on some of the lettering was bit too loose,  on at least one of the letters it would take about 3 stitches cut the thread and start embroidering again over and over, and it creates a birds nest  when the final problem occurs.

 

I get through some of the letters ok but when the problem happens I end up bending and/or breaking a needle and have a birds nest under the letter that causes the issue.  

 

The first time it happened my needle broke and bent into a “U” shape, created a birds nest under the letter,  and broke the feed dogs (yes broke the feed dogs – a first in over 40 years of sewing).

 

This time it broke the needle, created a birds nest under the letter, and now the moveable piece on my embroidery arm moves freely when you touch it. So off to the shop it goes.

 

Whether it is the software or not I am done with 6D software  - it has already been listed for sale.  I have other software that plays nicely with both my Janome and Brother machines.

 

I don’t want to pay for another unnecessary repair.  To say that I am nervous about using puffy foam on my 15000 is an understatement.

 

Has anyone successfully used puffy foam with lettering on their 15000?  If so were there any special tips/tricks you used?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Taking time out from looking for repairs to his puffiness, Jim says:

The behavior you describe is a classic problem with embroidery conversion software. The 6D software has created long satin stitches to go over the foam. However the Janome JEF format cannot make a stitch longer than 1.27cm. Longer than that they must have jump stitches inserted. If you have the jump cut turned on you'll get frequent cuts, loose stitches due to reduced tension during a jump, and birds nests due to loose tension. Regardless of whether puffy foam is involved, very long satin stitches are a bad idea. The stitches are quite fragile and easily damaged.


Re: 12000 Machine for Sale

Sue Raabe <susies.stitches@...>
 

Thanks for the advice, and also that this list isn't the place to list it.  Sometimes I overlook the obvious .  I was focusing on where to try selling it. I didn't realize the 12000 is 5 years old.  I'll definitely keep that in mind when I list it somewhere.  I asked my dealer what I would get in a trade.  He said he couldn't afford to take a trade in. Maybe because he gave away the thread and stabilizer? Hopefully  that, the large hoop, the thread stand, and   the box for the feet, it will be more appealing.
I'm very grateful to have the safety issues addressed.  It makes complete sense to meet at a safe place.  It isn't a good idea to have strangers coming to the house. I'll have to figure out how to get it into the car, because I can't lift it, and it's probably isn't a good to keep it in the car.  Maybe I can use the rolling tote with a stable ramp.  I have one we got for our dog. and he never used it.
Thanks again for all the advice.  Any thing I get for it will lower my payments on the 1500.  Anytime I've financed a machine,  it was 48 months  interest free.  To keep his prices lower, he finances them in house for 24 months.  I can't imagine what the other dealers must give to pay the credit card company to do that. At least I have a direction to follow!


Re: twin needle embroidery

janetpiekarski
 

Be really careful and don't use the single needle hole plate on the 12 or 15 when using the offset twin needle, it barely fits into the hole.(I just checked it with one that I have) and just like when you're using a twin needle for "regular" sewing, slow down, that poor bobbin is doing double duty.


Re: Ruler Foot??

Anne Parker
 

Jim - I agree with you - Janome say it is incompatible  - but it isnt't.

In the end it comes down to the consumer and what they think and what they accept as their own liabiility. I would recommend the opinion of anyone that is a member of any sewing group (especially Jim and Dianes!) about something that has been through all the manufactures warnings about not using something on a machine because it is not 'recommended' and then says it is.  And I would say that the manufactureres are in business to make money - so they would say that wouldn't they?

I recommend - but be careful and know what your are trying to achieve.  Double and triple check that any attachment or foot you are trying actual works on your machine.  Be prepared to waste a few pennies - but you can always sell things on ebay if they are not for you.   I have dione that!

Just my thoughts!

Anne
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Sulky Puffy Foam Disaster

Pam Davison
 

Sorry this is long but I want to give as many details as possible.

 

Twice now I have sewn with puffy foam on my 15000 and each time I ended up having to take my machine in for repair.

 

I have sewn successfully with Sulky puffy foam in the past on others machines.  I suspect it is something I am doing wrong.

 

I use 6D embroidery software and puffy foam font, save /export the design as a PES file and stitch out on my Brother 6 needle with the puffy foam just fine.  The software shows the brother 6 needle as one of the machines.  6D’s native format is VP3.

 

When I use 6D embroidery software and the puffy foam font on my Janome 15000 it causes major problems and I really wonder if this software does not translate a JEF file so well (I create the design and save/export as a JEF file).  The latest Janome machine this software shows is the 12000 and it uses the machine to save the design.  I suspect the software because thread on some of the lettering was bit too loose,  on at least one of the letters it would take about 3 stitches cut the thread and start embroidering again over and over, and it creates a birds nest  when the final problem occurs.

 

I get through some of the letters ok but when the problem happens I end up bending and/or breaking a needle and have a birds nest under the letter that causes the issue.  

 

The first time it happened my needle broke and bent into a “U” shape, created a birds nest under the letter,  and broke the feed dogs (yes broke the feed dogs – a first in over 40 years of sewing).

 

This time it broke the needle, created a birds nest under the letter, and now the moveable piece on my embroidery arm moves freely when you touch it. So off to the shop it goes.

 

Whether it is the software or not I am done with 6D software  - it has already been listed for sale.  I have other software that plays nicely with both my Janome and Brother machines.

 

I don’t want to pay for another unnecessary repair.  To say that I am nervous about using puffy foam on my 15000 is an understatement.

 

Has anyone successfully used puffy foam with lettering on their 15000?  If so were there any special tips/tricks you used?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Taking time out from looking for repairs to his puffiness, Jim says:

The behavior you describe is a classic problem with embroidery conversion software. The 6D software has created long satin stitches to go over the foam. However the Janome JEF format cannot make a stitch longer than 1.27cm. Longer than that they must have jump stitches inserted. If you have the jump cut turned on you'll get frequent cuts, loose stitches due to reduced tension during a jump, and birds nests due to loose tension. Regardless of whether puffy foam is involved, very long satin stitches are a bad idea. The stitches are quite fragile and easily damaged.


Re: 12000 Machine for Sale

Linda M
 

The 12000 is more like the 11000 which I used to have..  My dealer said it wasn't worth the upgrade but when the 15000 came out, it was very different to the 11000 and the 12000, I just don't see why you say there is not much difference between the 12000 and the 15000..  WIFI comes to mind..., better lighting and the list goes on and on.
Linda

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:49 AM, akerslucy@... [janome12000] <janome12000@...> wrote:
 

I agree with Virginia. I was waiting to hear of a new machine and then went ahead and bought the 15000. It is very little different from my 12000 and I'm sorry I didn't just wait.




--
Linda M.


Re: 12000 Machine for Sale

Lucy Akers
 

I agree with Virginia. I was waiting to hear of a new machine and then went ahead and bought the 15000. It is very little different from my 12000 and I'm sorry I didn't just wait.


Re: 12000 Machine for Sale

Vikki Youngmeyer
 

I traded two machines  Janome 6500 & 350e when I bought my 12000 when it first came out. I got a really good deal on it. Three years later I got a really good deal from the same dealer when I purchased the 15000. It’s worth a shot to see what deal you get. You may not get as good a deal, but dealing with a local dealer you may get a better deal in the long run, as you don’t have to worry about meeting people in your home to look at your machines.  I had extras for both machines. I kept the stabilizer and thread because I knew I would be using it on the next generation machine.

 

Vikki

Houston, TX

 


new computer

Frecia Kelly
 

I tried to search for the information I saw some time ago (I really did), and I can't make this site do that.


I have a new windows 10 laptop for my sewing room.  For years, all I asked my XP laptop to do was communicate with two sewing machines.  It no longer does that gracefully.

I think I  saw on this list that Customizer for my Janome 11000 doesn't work with windows 10?

What workaround is there so that I can load designs for the 11000 on cards?  It doesn't have to be with customizer.  I have never been able to put designs on a USB stick for that machine.

Fyfee


Ducking into a dark doorway to elude the topic police, Jim says this:

I'm not surprised you couldn't find the post. Yahoo's search is pretty much useless. We also don't really have much here devoted to the 11000, but I suspect you already knew that. The problem you are having with Customizer 11000 is the USB driver. It requires a 64-bit USB driver for Windows 10, but Janome did not make one. At this point it's very unlikely that they will, so your only option now is to use a USB stick. Plug it into the machine first. Then plug it into your computer. Windows will install the drivers needed. There will be two folders on the drive from the machine: ORD and EMB. All your embroidery designs get copied into a folder inside EMB. The machine creates EmbF inside EMB, and you can use that. You can also create your own folders inside EMB and use those.


Re: Embroidery on towels without hooping

Teressa Sisemore
 

Thank you Jim and Diane!
Also, I'll try using stabilizer instead of stableizer. (Lol!)

Teressa


Janome Forum

Cheryl Paul
 

I was just on the Janome Forum and read a post by a lady in Chile.  She works for a Janome dealer there.  She said that customers of that business have purchased Digitizer V4.0 and have been getting "Pirated" software messages when they install the software and go to use it.  The software comes from a Janome business and is in a sealed box.  This is the strangest thing I have ever heard.  She was asking what she should do as they had contacted Janome America and were told to post to the Janome Forum.  This forum is not monitored and the only advise she would likely get are from folks like me, that just have the "home users" knowledge, and most use a computer but don't have any experience in how they operate.  We just use them to make our lives easier (or so we think), but really don't have much more to offer than a few "how to" things to help.  There was one lady that somehow managed to get a few Janome emails for the USA, Canada and Japan to help her with some problems in the past - she didn't offer much hope even with that information.


Just a bit of information that I thought might be of interest.


Cheryl - Saskatoon


With a deep sigh, Jim says:

If the software came with a working dongle then a fresh copy of the DVD should be all it takes. However if there is no dongle, then it may indeed be a pirated copy. The Janome Forum will be of zero use. As far as I know, Janome in Chile is handled through Janome America. First contact should be the dealer, who should then contact Janome America.


Re: twin needle embroidery

Pat Bryant
 

To add to what Jim has said, back when the whole "twin needle" conversation came in the "early days", the top tech person said that using these needles were fine, however we were also told NOT to use the thread cutter, at least in the Singer machines.  I don't know much as far as other brands are concerned.  You may want to check with someone who knows about twin needle and wing needle embroidery (yes, there were also some very cool wing needle designs out there at the time).   Since I owned and ran the most popular list for Singer customer, we were lucky that we got a lot of information on some issues and techniques.  We did have more than 1 instance where someone forgot to the advice, (that does sound better than a few decided to test that theory out) ended up damaging their thread cutters..  A pretty spendy repair!  Several digitizers who were aware of these warnings did digitize designs that gave extra stitches at the end of the design, allowing the users to stop the machine, manually cut the threads and then just advance through the design on the control panel to the next color starting point.  They ended up moving along to the next technique when some ladies missed the opportunity to cut the threads and again, they ended up with spendy repairs...  I do NOT think that we were able to turn the thread cutter off in the Singer while using embroidery, (but we could in regular sewing)...  As I said, I can only speak for Singer machines.  

Pat
SewAmused@...
Always SewAmused at what we can do!

Also constantly amused, Jim says:
Agreed, the thread cutter should NOT be used with ANY twin needle. Ditto for the needle threader!


Re: 12000 Machine for Sale

Virginia
 

The big hoop I believe you are referring to is the Quilting Hoop which is also standard with the 15,000.  Keep in mind Sue the 12,000 is going to be 5 years old this Fall and the 15,000 is going to be 3 years old this Fall.  Perhaps you should hold on to your 12,000 a little bit longer until the Fall perhaps we will see a new machine then and remember the differences in the 12,000 and the 15,000 are not that different.  Same hoops mostly same designs, same feet etc.  Perhaps the Fall will bring better surprises for us.  If not I am sure the 15,000 will still be available for you to make that decision then.  Just saying!

Virginia


-----Original Message-----
From: Sue Raabe susies.stitches@... [janome12000]
To: janome12000
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 8:05 am
Subject: [janome12000] 12000 Machine for Sale

 
I have a question.  I'm planning on selling my 12000 so I can get the 15000, but I'm not sure how much to ask for it, and whether to included the extras I bought, or sell them separately.  The book doesn't mention the 5 thread spool holder, but it was on my machine.  I also bought the case that holds all the feet.  Since it comes with the 15000, there's no reason to keep it.  I also have the optional large hoop, but I don't know what it's called!  As part of the promotion, I also have a bunch of stabilizer, and Jenny Haskins thread.  I have enough thread and stabilizer, so unless it isn't worth selling, I might as well.  I'm wondering if the thread and stabilizer should be advertised on a site designed for selling all sorts of sewing, quilting and embroidery items.  (I check it daily to see if there are any 12000 machines for sale, but I've only seen one, and haven't seen any posts that said it had been sold.)  Is it permissible to try selling it on this group? I've seen a few, but would rather"play by the rules" if it isn't allowed.  I don't particularly want  to use e-bay, because I don't have any sales record, and people are hesitant to spend that kind of money with an unknown seller.  The one time I sold one there, the highest bidder didn't respond to my invoice, so I ended up selling it to the next highest bidder even though it was a little under my reserve. I need to sell it to pay for the 15000 :-)  Thanks for any advice or suggestions anyone has.  I don't want to overcharge, but can't afford to under price either.

This list is a poor place to sell a 12000, since most members already have a 12000 or 15000. I'm allowing this one post in order to bring up some important points.

- Regarding your optional big hoop, you'll want to keep that because it will fit on the 15000.
- Regarding the thread and stabilizer, you are probably better off bundling it with the machine as a special freebie.
- As you point out eBay is not a great venue and it's expensive.
- The "Sew It's For Sale" list is better, but you still have the issues of trust and shipping.
- Selling local is best, using something like Craig's List. You still have to be careful, as there are scammers everywhere. We recommend cash only terms, meeting at the police station or a very public place.
- Don't discount the idea of trading it in. No, you won't get top dollar, but you also will not have a lot of hassle. Don't be afraid to negotiate with your dealer.


Re: Ruler Foot??

audrey chase <Contessa@...>
 

This is the info. I got from Janome, in case anyone is interested.

 

Good Moring Audrey

 

Thank you for your email. There is an option to use the ruler foot attachment with the Memory Craft 15000 model. See below for details of the parts you would be required to purchase.

 

* Convertible Free Motion Quilting Foot Set-Category D - 202146001

 

*Convertible Free Motion Frame Quilting Set for the 1600P Model - 767434005 (This set comes complete with 2 parts, only the 1/4 " Ruler Foot part will be compatible with the MC15000 model)

 

 

Kind Regards

Samantha Brown

Customer Service

 

 

 


twin needle embroidery

Charlotte Fields
 

Back around the 8000 or 9000 there was an offset twin needle thats was recommended if using a twin needle when embroidering. Is it still necessary or will the regular twin needle work? I’ve reading through some old (2005) embroidery magazines and remembered the days of limited designs. I used the top of a carrot to create sea life on a vest. I was thinking of doing some thing creative on the 15000. Also has anyone seen acryllic plates with a removable back that would hold embroidery, perhaps I should be reading books a little more current. Charlotte

Still working on "Reader's Digest" from 1978, Jim says:
For those who are relatively new to embroidery, the term "offset twin" may be unfamiliar. A standard twin needle has a shank in the center, between the twins. Fifty years or more ago, the normal position for the needle was on the left. To accommodate that the twin needle had to have the shank directly over the left needle, with the right needle offset to the right. The first Janome embroidery model, Memory Craft 8000, did embroidery with the needle in the left position. They still do it this way because the fabric is supported on 3 sides of the needle hole in that position. These days the offset twins are not as easy to find, but are still required if you want to do twin needle embroidery.


Re: Ruler Foot??

Tina Lew
 

Jim I beg to differ with you. The Optional Accessories for Memory Craft 15000,12000 and Memory Craft 9900 insert came with my 15000. There is a photo, item number and the statement (This set is compatible with MC9900 only) on page 2, row 3 and 2nd photo to the left. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid

No need to beg - I agree Janome said it isn't compatible. However cats and dogs aren't really compatible, but there are millions of them living in harmony. As many have testified, it works. And as you can see from the post which follows (Re: Ruler Foot??) Janome Customer Service apparently failed to read the Optional Accessories insert.


Re: Ruler Foot??

Anne Parker
 

Yes Tina - it does say that - and it also says similar on the packagaging.  But there are lots of us using the QB-S foot on the 12000 and 15000 with no problems.  In fact I don't know of anyone using it on these machines that has had problems.

I often experiment with things that are not supposed to work but they do - like using an industrial binder instead of the very expensive Janome one on my 15000 and using feet from other machines that work just as well - provided you do check everything out by turning the hand wheel manually and checking nothing is hitting any part of the machine especially the needle plate and bobbin case/hook.

I am able to use a vintage 5 mm Husqvarna cording foot because I have a generic ankle for 7 and 5 mm feet - this actually pushes most 7 and 5mm feet too far forward, but because the Husqvarna foot has a short distance from it's pin to the needle hole it actually places it in the right place.  For normal 7mm feet I have bought the ankle normally for the 11000 and now I can use all the snap on feet I have from my other machines!

I've also bought a Brother highshank to low shank converter so I can use all my screw on vintage feet too - though I am still experimenting with that - there are two adaptors available and I only have the one - I may buy the other as well to see which works best.

Of course when using smaller feet than 9mm ones you need to be aware that you must reduce the width and/or alter the position of the needle and always manually run through one cycle of a stitch to double check everything. 

Happy sewing!



Anne
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12000 Machine for Sale

Sue Raabe <susies.stitches@...>
 

I have a question.  I'm planning on selling my 12000 so I can get the 15000, but I'm not sure how much to ask for it, and whether to included the extras I bought, or sell them separately.  The book doesn't mention the 5 thread spool holder, but it was on my machine.  I also bought the case that holds all the feet.  Since it comes with the 15000, there's no reason to keep it.  I also have the optional large hoop, but I don't know what it's called!  As part of the promotion, I also have a bunch of stabilizer, and Jenny Haskins thread.  I have enough thread and stabilizer, so unless it isn't worth selling, I might as well.  I'm wondering if the thread and stabilizer should be advertised on a site designed for selling all sorts of sewing, quilting and embroidery items.  (I check it daily to see if there are any 12000 machines for sale, but I've only seen one, and haven't seen any posts that said it had been sold.)  Is it permissible to try selling it on this group? I've seen a few, but would rather"play by the rules" if it isn't allowed.  I don't particularly want  to use e-bay, because I don't have any sales record, and people are hesitant to spend that kind of money with an unknown seller.  The one time I sold one there, the highest bidder didn't respond to my invoice, so I ended up selling it to the next highest bidder even though it was a little under my reserve. I need to sell it to pay for the 15000 :-)  Thanks for any advice or suggestions anyone has.  I don't want to overcharge, but can't afford to under price either.

This list is a poor place to sell a 12000, since most members already have a 12000 or 15000. I'm allowing this one post in order to bring up some important points.

- Regarding your optional big hoop, you'll want to keep that because it will fit on the 15000.
- Regarding the thread and stabilizer, you are probably better off bundling it with the machine as a special freebie.
- As you point out eBay is not a great venue and it's expensive.
- The "Sew It's For Sale" list is better, but you still have the issues of trust and shipping.
- Selling local is best, using something like Craig's List. You still have to be careful, as there are scammers everywhere. We recommend cash only terms, meeting at the police station or a very public place.
- Don't discount the idea of trading it in. No, you won't get top dollar, but you also will not have a lot of hassle. Don't be afraid to negotiate with your dealer.


Embroidery on towels without hooping

Teressa Sisemore
 

Jim could you please tell me Diane's preferred method of embroidery on towels when she doesn't want to hoop them. 
I have hooped tear away temporary spray adhesive - messy
I have hooped Peel and stick type stableizer
I also have some wet and stick type stableizer (I'm not sure why)
Of course I use water soluble on top (easier than trying to keep matching tulle for every towel)

Thanks to you both in advance. 

Teressa

Using Jim's preferred method of answering, Diane (via Jim) says:
Hoop medium to heavy tear-away stabilizer by itself. Then use the basting stitch built into the machine to baste the towel to the stabilizer after getting it into position. Keep using the water soluble stabilizer on top to hold down the loops of the towel.

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