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Re: If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

Maria Boone
 

I have the CM17, and I have NONE of the issues you experienced. It's my fourth Janome, and the best one so far.


Re: If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

Pixey
 

I am typically not an early adopter either (though I did with my 500e to replace my 350e).  However I had the experience of an erratic machine with my v2 15000.  Fortunately the problems showed up about 2 months into ownership.  Dealer worked with Janome to  trouble shoot it for about 3 weeks, came to the conclusion that it was a lemon, and replaced it with a new machine.

Even good brands can have occasional lemons. Pam, I am sorry your CM17 apparently was one of these.  But at least you have a new machine coming.

Pixey


On Oct 12, 2022, at 8:21 AM, DeeDee Bedard <ddbedard@...> wrote:


Janome is a great company that stands behind their machines.
On 10/11/2022 3:52 PM Pam Davison <pamyjo2001@...> wrote:


Update - Janome has agreed to send me a new machine.


Sent from Mail for Windows





Re: If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

DeeDee Bedard
 

Janome is a great company that stands behind their machines.

On 10/11/2022 3:52 PM Pam Davison <pamyjo2001@...> wrote:


Update - Janome has agreed to send me a new machine.


Sent from Mail for Windows





Re: If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

Cat - N
 

As a techie…retired or not…I stay off ‘the bleeding edge’ and do not ‘chase technology’ except professionally and for test systems only!!!  I was very sad to read the list of issues. It’s not a machine that can replace my 15000 because I need the free arm, but I’m sure many people don’t. But the worst part is that first run issues can mar the company’s reputation and send customers elsewhere and/or at least cost them sales. Depending on the issues, that can be dreadful for a company and I think Janome has, generally speaking, a lot of very solid products so I hope those issues are limited to one or a very few machines that just didn’t come off the assembly line ‘fully cooked’ and ready to serve. At least they are replacing the machine, so I hope the replacement is perfect!!!

- Cat

Typos courtesy of autocorrect. 




On Oct 12, 2022 at 8:18 AM, <Cynthia Dickerson> wrote:

Thank you Pam for letting me know.  I never buy a new machine when it first comes out.  I usually wait at least a year for them to get the bug out of them.  This one though is out of my price range and I didn't feel it had enough upgrades to merit that kind of price.;  My 15,000 will stay my baby.  
Thanks again, Cindy

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:12 PM Pam Davison <pamyjo2001@...> wrote:

Update - Janome has agreed to send me a new machine.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 


Re: If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

Cynthia Dickerson
 

Thank you Pam for letting me know.  I never buy a new machine when it first comes out.  I usually wait at least a year for them to get the bug out of them.  This one though is out of my price range and I didn't feel it had enough upgrades to merit that kind of price.;  My 15,000 will stay my baby.  
Thanks again, Cindy


On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:12 PM Pam Davison <pamyjo2001@...> wrote:

Update - Janome has agreed to send me a new machine.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 


Re: If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

Pam Davison
 

Update - Janome has agreed to send me a new machine.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 


If You Are Considering Purchasing a Janome CM17

Pam Davison
 

I am writing this because I want you to be informed if you choose to purchase a CM17. 

 

Just so you know these are the Janome machines that I have purchased and used or am still using.

  • 525 Sewist
  • Don’t remember the model but it is a felting machine
  • Don’t remember the model but it had  “Marie Osmond’s” name on it – It was a lemon and I returned it for store credit
  • Horizon 7700
  • Memory Craft 9400
  • Memory Craft 15000
  • Memory Craft 6700
  • HD9
  • M7
  • Memory Craft 550
  • CoverPro 3000

 

 

I eagerly purchased my CM17 on May 18, 2022 and these are the issues that I have experienced so far that are still outstanding.  Most of the time the issues below happen randomly which is infuriating.  I plan on taking my machine into my dealer hopefully this weekend.

 

  1. Feed dogs drop and don’t come back up.
  2. Lag when trying to start sewing after stopping (issue introduced with the Version 1.01 update)  NOTE:  Janome seems to think this is ok and there is nothing wrong.
  3. You can’t customize settings without it having some other undesirable result.  Whenever there is an issue the standard reponse is to switch back to default settings.
  4. When using a normal straight stitch (NOT quilting, basting, or embroidery), I stop sewing the feed dogs drop and when I try to start sewing again it only does one stitch and then it stops and will only do one stitch and stop. I have to turn the machine off before it acts normal again.
  5. The knee lifter seems to work it way out of the hole that is goes in much more so that I have seen with any of the other Janome machines that I have purchased.
  6. I hear a beeping and hesitation when starting to sew again after stopping.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

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Re: New iPad vs PC

Jim Stutsman
 

Just about any iPad sold as new will be fine. If you opt for a used one, make sure it is running at least iOS 14.


Re: New iPad vs PC

Blessing
 

I have the original I pad. that came with my 15000 in 2014
 I am unable to use the apps that Jim & Diane created with this I pad
 Would anyone be able to advise me the next I pad I should purchase so I will be able to use these apps? Thank you so much for your help.
Great site!


#Knee lift sensor replaced #knee

striplett3@...
 

Has anyone had their knee lift sensor replaced on a Janome 15000


Re: Computer

Cat - N
 

Pixie, you can probably pop the chips in yourself. Don’t touch the metal pins that plug into the board unless you are grounded but, unless it’s it’s a wack-a-do install, it’ll only take minutes. I’m techie, of course, so no worries here about popping the case. But many laptops just have an itty bitty door that pops open after you take out an itty bitty screw. Look at Dell website, YouTube, etc. wait…you have to pop the whole bottom cover. Still not a terrible big deal. 

Just peeked at RAM requirements…

 The Dell Inspiron 7000 has 2 memory SODIMM slots on the system board. The system accepts a memory capacity ranging from 2GB, 4GB and 8GB. The memory type accepted is DDR3L 1600 MHz SODIMM only. The computer supports a maximum of 16GB of memory when installed with two 8GB DIMMs.
You will need search for memory with following details DDR3L 1600 MHz SODIMM”
What your Dell has is qty 2, 4gb chips so you will remove both…note the board orientation…pins, gaps in pins (keys), etc., then pop the 8gb chips back in place, close’er up. Power up!  😁. Oh, and watch the reboot messages onscreen to make sure you see 16gb. That’s how you know things are okie dokie. (P.S.:  If you see smoke, POWER OFF immediately !!!  Rarely ever happens anymore with the ram that actually fits the machine...but I still watch for smoke...LOL)

Amazon…$36.99 - non-OEM but I have purchased these chips myself… not sure which machine they went into here but haven't lost a machine since the purchase:


Instruction:


Might be different slightly if yours isn’t a “2-in-1” (no longer familiar with Dell models). 

Oh, and Dell machines are made all over the world by various contractors. Always have been…the "Michael Dell sales model"...Dell has never built a pc that I am aware of…since the ‘286 days (mid-1980’s) when they weren’t actually fully compatible with IBM’s so couldn’t run WordPerfect. You don’t wanna ask me how I know that. Lol


- Cat

Typos courtesy of autocorrect. 



On Oct 10, 2022 at 3:23 PM, <Pixey via groups.io> wrote:

I think this was very well stated Cat.  When I got my last computer, I consulted with the tech support where I worked for advice (explaining MBX & Hatch) and they helped me pick out my current 6 year old laptop (Dell Inspiron 15, 7000 series).  It was not inexpensive at the time, but I feel it has been a good investment.

I have been following this thread closely, because my laptop is in great condition (separate graphics card/memory, i7 5th Gen chip, hybrid SSD/1T HD) but only has 8Gb of RAM. I did check the specs and in theory it is expandable to 16Gb.  I just need to decide who I can go to and trust to do it.

Pixey


On Oct 10, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Cat - N via groups.io <navillusc@...> wrote:


...and I will pipe in about computers of any brand...in general...LOL

If you buy the lowest end of the low end computers, you get what I call their 'trash product' or "Heinz 57" model, and it might work great or it might suck rocks through a straw...and it doesn't matter which brand.  People used to buy Compaq Presario from retail stores because they were everywhere and cheap...a 'trash product' IMHO as a 'professional techie' etc.  I always knew what was coming when I heard "I bought a computer in Staples/Walmart/etc."  Sometimes you don't need to purchase but one or two models up from the low end to get a decent computer, but it's worth it IMHO.

I am normally not "brand loyal"...I am 'specs and performance" loyal...but one computer product that has done very well by me is MSI.  I have a 2015 GP60 Leopard Gaming Laptop, and a 2022 Creative C17 Professional Laptop.  The GP60 was less expensive that the C17, but prices were less back then.  Both are fantastic.  (I kinda got away from the gaming laptops because of the crazy keyboard lighting!)  I use the GP60 most of the time...like now...with Hatch 2, since I got the C17 for Hatch 3 (needed an OS update and wasn't willing to risk ALL my software installations to upgrade my GP60 to Win10), but I've been so busy I can't even get back onto that project.

I will also say to be careful buying gaming laptop computers because many have gone to the 'new' keyboard that does not have a numeric keypad.  I sent an MSI with 64 MB back because of that so don't be shy about asking the seller FIRST because the one I sent back showed a photo of a keyboard that HAD a numeric keypad when that model does NOT...so you may need to look at the 17" laptops to get that numeric keypad...hence my C17.

ACER and ASUS are/were fine companies with fine products, as is/was HP...but not always and not every model in any case/manufacturer.  I personally think it pays to do the 'components' research, and doesn't hurt at all to ask the people who repair computers if they see 'common' problems with ANY model...then avoid those...LOL...and call the manufacturer DIRECT!!!  I got the C17 on an amazing sale because I called MSI to talk to them about exactly which models had what I needed/wanted.  They were AMAZING!!!

- Cat (FL)


-----Original Message-----
From: favymtz <favymtz@...>
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2022 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer

Favymtz piping in here on the computer conversation!
I have to defend HP. I am running an HP 17" Laptop with solid state, 16gb ram and 1 TB of memory.
I special ordered it from HP and it has a CD drive in it.
I run Hatch 3, MBX v5, PEP and other graphics programs and all run fabulously.
I have had absolutely zero problems nor issues on this computer. It's now almost 2 years old.
Just my experience and opinion for what it's worth!
~Favymtz


On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 6:40 AM Lyn Quine <lynquine@...> wrote:
Thanks Jim it is an Acer, wouldn’t touch an HP afraid they like Singer messing machines trade on past reputations, both have spiralled down imho.  Lol

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 1:19:36 PM


Re: Computer

Pixey
 

I think this was very well stated Cat.  When I got my last computer, I consulted with the tech support where I worked for advice (explaining MBX & Hatch) and they helped me pick out my current 6 year old laptop (Dell Inspiron 15, 7000 series).  It was not inexpensive at the time, but I feel it has been a good investment.

I have been following this thread closely, because my laptop is in great condition (separate graphics card/memory, i7 5th Gen chip, hybrid SSD/1T HD) but only has 8Gb of RAM. I did check the specs and in theory it is expandable to 16Gb.  I just need to decide who I can go to and trust to do it.

Pixey


On Oct 10, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Cat - N via groups.io <navillusc@...> wrote:


...and I will pipe in about computers of any brand...in general...LOL

If you buy the lowest end of the low end computers, you get what I call their 'trash product' or "Heinz 57" model, and it might work great or it might suck rocks through a straw...and it doesn't matter which brand.  People used to buy Compaq Presario from retail stores because they were everywhere and cheap...a 'trash product' IMHO as a 'professional techie' etc.  I always knew what was coming when I heard "I bought a computer in Staples/Walmart/etc."  Sometimes you don't need to purchase but one or two models up from the low end to get a decent computer, but it's worth it IMHO.

I am normally not "brand loyal"...I am 'specs and performance" loyal...but one computer product that has done very well by me is MSI.  I have a 2015 GP60 Leopard Gaming Laptop, and a 2022 Creative C17 Professional Laptop.  The GP60 was less expensive that the C17, but prices were less back then.  Both are fantastic.  (I kinda got away from the gaming laptops because of the crazy keyboard lighting!)  I use the GP60 most of the time...like now...with Hatch 2, since I got the C17 for Hatch 3 (needed an OS update and wasn't willing to risk ALL my software installations to upgrade my GP60 to Win10), but I've been so busy I can't even get back onto that project.

I will also say to be careful buying gaming laptop computers because many have gone to the 'new' keyboard that does not have a numeric keypad.  I sent an MSI with 64 MB back because of that so don't be shy about asking the seller FIRST because the one I sent back showed a photo of a keyboard that HAD a numeric keypad when that model does NOT...so you may need to look at the 17" laptops to get that numeric keypad...hence my C17.

ACER and ASUS are/were fine companies with fine products, as is/was HP...but not always and not every model in any case/manufacturer.  I personally think it pays to do the 'components' research, and doesn't hurt at all to ask the people who repair computers if they see 'common' problems with ANY model...then avoid those...LOL...and call the manufacturer DIRECT!!!  I got the C17 on an amazing sale because I called MSI to talk to them about exactly which models had what I needed/wanted.  They were AMAZING!!!

- Cat (FL)


-----Original Message-----
From: favymtz <favymtz@...>
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2022 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer

Favymtz piping in here on the computer conversation!
I have to defend HP. I am running an HP 17" Laptop with solid state, 16gb ram and 1 TB of memory.
I special ordered it from HP and it has a CD drive in it.
I run Hatch 3, MBX v5, PEP and other graphics programs and all run fabulously.
I have had absolutely zero problems nor issues on this computer. It's now almost 2 years old.
Just my experience and opinion for what it's worth!
~Favymtz


On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 6:40 AM Lyn Quine <lynquine@...> wrote:
Thanks Jim it is an Acer, wouldn’t touch an HP afraid they like Singer messing machines trade on past reputations, both have spiralled down imho.  Lol

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 1:19:36 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer
 
Neither I, nor any of my sons, is a Windows user any longer. I am the neighborhood go-to guy for computer support, but when it involves Windows I am approaching useless. I can keep Diane's sewing software functioning by using a virtual Windows computer inside her iMac. I will say that the majority of problems I see are on HP computers. They are built solely to sell cheap, and the quality is very sub-par. It's a sad end to a company that was once the paragon of excellence in electronics.

Your best bet is probably still Asus or Acer, though I have not looked at Windows PCs in a very long time. RAM is usually 8GB, which is a minimum. More is always better, and more expensive. Large hard drive storage of 1TB or more seems attractive, but you are far better off with SSD (Solid State Drive), even if the capacity is less. 512GB should be more than sufficient for a mostly-sewing computer.

--
Favymtz


Re: Computer

Cat - N
 

...and I will pipe in about computers of any brand...in general...LOL

If you buy the lowest end of the low end computers, you get what I call their 'trash product' or "Heinz 57" model, and it might work great or it might suck rocks through a straw...and it doesn't matter which brand.  People used to buy Compaq Presario from retail stores because they were everywhere and cheap...a 'trash product' IMHO as a 'professional techie' etc.  I always knew what was coming when I heard "I bought a computer in Staples/Walmart/etc."  Sometimes you don't need to purchase but one or two models up from the low end to get a decent computer, but it's worth it IMHO.

I am normally not "brand loyal"...I am 'specs and performance" loyal...but one computer product that has done very well by me is MSI.  I have a 2015 GP60 Leopard Gaming Laptop, and a 2022 Creative C17 Professional Laptop.  The GP60 was less expensive that the C17, but prices were less back then.  Both are fantastic.  (I kinda got away from the gaming laptops because of the crazy keyboard lighting!)  I use the GP60 most of the time...like now...with Hatch 2, since I got the C17 for Hatch 3 (needed an OS update and wasn't willing to risk ALL my software installations to upgrade my GP60 to Win10), but I've been so busy I can't even get back onto that project.

I will also say to be careful buying gaming laptop computers because many have gone to the 'new' keyboard that does not have a numeric keypad.  I sent an MSI with 64 MB back because of that so don't be shy about asking the seller FIRST because the one I sent back showed a photo of a keyboard that HAD a numeric keypad when that model does NOT...so you may need to look at the 17" laptops to get that numeric keypad...hence my C17.

ACER and ASUS are/were fine companies with fine products, as is/was HP...but not always and not every model in any case/manufacturer.  I personally think it pays to do the 'components' research, and doesn't hurt at all to ask the people who repair computers if they see 'common' problems with ANY model...then avoid those...LOL...and call the manufacturer DIRECT!!!  I got the C17 on an amazing sale because I called MSI to talk to them about exactly which models had what I needed/wanted.  They were AMAZING!!!

- Cat (FL)


-----Original Message-----
From: favymtz <favymtz@...>
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2022 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer

Favymtz piping in here on the computer conversation!
I have to defend HP. I am running an HP 17" Laptop with solid state, 16gb ram and 1 TB of memory.
I special ordered it from HP and it has a CD drive in it.
I run Hatch 3, MBX v5, PEP and other graphics programs and all run fabulously.
I have had absolutely zero problems nor issues on this computer. It's now almost 2 years old.
Just my experience and opinion for what it's worth!
~Favymtz


On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 6:40 AM Lyn Quine <lynquine@...> wrote:
Thanks Jim it is an Acer, wouldn’t touch an HP afraid they like Singer messing machines trade on past reputations, both have spiralled down imho.  Lol

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 1:19:36 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer
 
Neither I, nor any of my sons, is a Windows user any longer. I am the neighborhood go-to guy for computer support, but when it involves Windows I am approaching useless. I can keep Diane's sewing software functioning by using a virtual Windows computer inside her iMac. I will say that the majority of problems I see are on HP computers. They are built solely to sell cheap, and the quality is very sub-par. It's a sad end to a company that was once the paragon of excellence in electronics.

Your best bet is probably still Asus or Acer, though I have not looked at Windows PCs in a very long time. RAM is usually 8GB, which is a minimum. More is always better, and more expensive. Large hard drive storage of 1TB or more seems attractive, but you are far better off with SSD (Solid State Drive), even if the capacity is less. 512GB should be more than sufficient for a mostly-sewing computer.

--
Favymtz


Re: Computer

favymtz
 

Favymtz piping in here on the computer conversation!
I have to defend HP. I am running an HP 17" Laptop with solid state, 16gb ram and 1 TB of memory.
I special ordered it from HP and it has a CD drive in it.
I run Hatch 3, MBX v5, PEP and other graphics programs and all run fabulously.
I have had absolutely zero problems nor issues on this computer. It's now almost 2 years old.
Just my experience and opinion for what it's worth!
~Favymtz


On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 6:40 AM Lyn Quine <lynquine@...> wrote:
Thanks Jim it is an Acer, wouldn’t touch an HP afraid they like Singer messing machines trade on past reputations, both have spiralled down imho.  Lol

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 1:19:36 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer
 
Neither I, nor any of my sons, is a Windows user any longer. I am the neighborhood go-to guy for computer support, but when it involves Windows I am approaching useless. I can keep Diane's sewing software functioning by using a virtual Windows computer inside her iMac. I will say that the majority of problems I see are on HP computers. They are built solely to sell cheap, and the quality is very sub-par. It's a sad end to a company that was once the paragon of excellence in electronics.

Your best bet is probably still Asus or Acer, though I have not looked at Windows PCs in a very long time. RAM is usually 8GB, which is a minimum. More is always better, and more expensive. Large hard drive storage of 1TB or more seems attractive, but you are far better off with SSD (Solid State Drive), even if the capacity is less. 512GB should be more than sufficient for a mostly-sewing computer.


--
Favymtz


Re: Computer

Lyn Quine
 

Thanks Jim it is an Acer, wouldn’t touch an HP afraid they like Singer messing machines trade on past reputations, both have spiralled down imho.  Lol

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing@...>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 1:19:36 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Computer
 
Neither I, nor any of my sons, is a Windows user any longer. I am the neighborhood go-to guy for computer support, but when it involves Windows I am approaching useless. I can keep Diane's sewing software functioning by using a virtual Windows computer inside her iMac. I will say that the majority of problems I see are on HP computers. They are built solely to sell cheap, and the quality is very sub-par. It's a sad end to a company that was once the paragon of excellence in electronics.

Your best bet is probably still Asus or Acer, though I have not looked at Windows PCs in a very long time. RAM is usually 8GB, which is a minimum. More is always better, and more expensive. Large hard drive storage of 1TB or more seems attractive, but you are far better off with SSD (Solid State Drive), even if the capacity is less. 512GB should be more than sufficient for a mostly-sewing computer.


Re: Computer

Jim Stutsman
 

Neither I, nor any of my sons, is a Windows user any longer. I am the neighborhood go-to guy for computer support, but when it involves Windows I am approaching useless. I can keep Diane's sewing software functioning by using a virtual Windows computer inside her iMac. I will say that the majority of problems I see are on HP computers. They are built solely to sell cheap, and the quality is very sub-par. It's a sad end to a company that was once the paragon of excellence in electronics.

Your best bet is probably still Asus or Acer, though I have not looked at Windows PCs in a very long time. RAM is usually 8GB, which is a minimum. More is always better, and more expensive. Large hard drive storage of 1TB or more seems attractive, but you are far better off with SSD (Solid State Drive), even if the capacity is less. 512GB should be more than sufficient for a mostly-sewing computer.


Computer

georgebarbara1218@att.net
 

Jim, do you or your sons do computer repair? Think my HP is in need of improvement ( it’s owner is too)


New PC

georgebarbara1218@att.net
 

Thinking of purchasing a new PC. Mine is acting up, slow, occ blank screen. Thought I saw some recommendations 
but can’t find it. Only use this PC for embroidery. Horizon Suites, Floriani; PEP software. Also use email to download designs. No gaming at all. Want it to open pages quickly. 

would appreciate recommendations. Not thrilled with HP. What size/ go, ram, manufacturer. Prefer under $500.
unfortunately they don’t have a built in CD anymore so will need an external CD. 

thanks


Re: New iPad vs PC

Melanie Dumas
 

Okay thanks 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 11:51 AM Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
The iPad apps are ONLY for iPad, and will not work on a PC. If you should get a new iPad, backup up the old one (automatic when charging, if you turn on that option). Restore to the new one and your apps will still be there.


Re: New iPad vs PC

Jim Stutsman
 

The iPad apps are ONLY for iPad, and will not work on a PC. If you should get a new iPad, backup up the old one (automatic when charging, if you turn on that option). Restore to the new one and your apps will still be there.