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Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroidery?

Sherry Martin
 

I looked at the several little applique projects I did that I talked about in my earlier post (What I Love About Embroidery on this machine).

The ones I did without the yellow bobbin and without straight stitch plate had bobbin thread showing on both the top and the bottom. On the bottom all I could see was bobbin thread.

The ones I did with yellow bobbin and straight stitch plate looked really really good on top and on the bottom mostly just top thread showed with just a little bobbin thread.

Since this was applique these were heavy satin stitches only.

As long as it is looking good on top and there is no puckering, I'm not really concerned how it is looking on the bottom.

--- In janome12000@..., "m1955seamstress" <m1955seamstress@...> wrote:

Hi,
I should already know the answer to this question, but I was having trouble with the tension on my 12000. I just got it back and think it is ok now. However, I was told by another 12000 owner that she never has any top thread showing on the underside of her embroidery.

I was told by my dealer and also a lady who works for him on two separate occasions that there will be some of the top thread pulled to the underside.

The top side looks good and no bobbin thread showing.

If anyone can post pictures of what is normal, I'd appreciate it. I looked back at some of my embroidery I did with my 11000 and it too showed some top thread pulled to the underside. Perhaps I was doing something wrong even with my 11000, but looks good on the top side on those too!

Thanks for any advice you can supply!

Marla


Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroidery?

Jim_Stutsman <jim@...>
 

A simple "rule of thumb" is 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 of top - bobbin - top thread. If you are not using Janome bobbin thread you should use the yellow dot case and you should get the 'thirds' result.

--- In janome12000@..., "m1955seamstress" <m1955seamstress@...> wrote:

Hi,
I should already know the answer to this question, but I was having trouble with the tension on my 12000. I just got it back and think it is ok now. However, I was told by another 12000 owner that she never has any top thread showing on the underside of her embroidery.

I was told by my dealer and also a lady who works for him on two separate occasions that there will be some of the top thread pulled to the underside.

The top side looks good and no bobbin thread showing.

If anyone can post pictures of what is normal, I'd appreciate it. I looked back at some of my embroidery I did with my 11000 and it too showed some top thread pulled to the underside. Perhaps I was doing something wrong even with my 11000, but looks good on the top side on those too!

Thanks for any advice you can supply!

Marla


Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

m1955seamstress
 

Oh thank you, Ginger.  No, I'm sorry, guess I didn't explain well enough.  No loops.  Just showing some on the underside.  Now I did have a tension problem though!  The dealer had to take the top of the case off and turn a screw to adjust the upper tension plate.  He also adjusted the screw on the bobbin case some.  But mostly it was the upper tension, I guess. 
 
I found another site this evening on machine embroidery that looked like it had some good advice.  I just need to study up more on hooping and stablizers, etc. to make sure I get a good stitchout from my new 12000! :)
 
Marla

From: "Fmjfrazier@..."
To: janome12000@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

 
Yes absolutely.  When you were explaining it the past few days I thought you meant there were loops and that is why I was concerned.
 
You are fine.  Trust me, worry no more.  I agree it did show on our 11,000 but not as much.  It is probably because the yellow dot bobbin case we use makes it tighter, which is good.
 
 It allows you to not have to use the same color thread on the top and bottom if we do not want to.
 
Take Care,
 
ginger
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/7/2011 8:00:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, m1955seamstress@... writes:
 
On the test piece we did at my dealer's store today with my machine there was about 1/3 or so of the backside showing the top thread and the rest was the bobbin thread.  I was supposed to take my test piece home, but I must have left it at the store.  So no pictures to post unless I get another test done soon.
 
Is this "normal"?  The top looked good.
 
Thanks,
Marla

From: "Fmjfrazier@..."
To: janome12000@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

 
In the hoop embroidery you use the yellow dot.  It has a little tighter tension which is good.
 
You used the right one.
 
Virginia
 
In a message dated 12/7/2011 7:44:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judyjanome@... writes:
 
I did a in the machine daisy design last night in the 5 by 5 hoop. It stitched out beautifully. There was absolutely no puckers at all and the machine is so quiet. However there was very little bobbin thread showing on the back just the top thread, and there was no bobbin thread on the top. I used Janome bobbin thread and the single hole needle plate. Bobbin case was the yellow dot case which I believe should have been the other one but I am having a hard time remembering that part. Judy

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Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

Virginia
 

Yes absolutely.  When you were explaining it the past few days I thought you meant there were loops and that is why I was concerned.
 
You are fine.  Trust me, worry no more.  I agree it did show on our 11,000 but not as much.  It is probably because the yellow dot bobbin case we use makes it tighter, which is good.
 
 It allows you to not have to use the same color thread on the top and bottom if we do not want to.
 
Take Care,
 
ginger
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/7/2011 8:00:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, m1955seamstress@... writes:

 

On the test piece we did at my dealer's store today with my machine there was about 1/3 or so of the backside showing the top thread and the rest was the bobbin thread.  I was supposed to take my test piece home, but I must have left it at the store.  So no pictures to post unless I get another test done soon.
 
Is this "normal"?  The top looked good.
 
Thanks,
Marla

From: "Fmjfrazier@..."
To: janome12000@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

 
In the hoop embroidery you use the yellow dot.  It has a little tighter tension which is good.
 
You used the right one.
 
Virginia
 
In a message dated 12/7/2011 7:44:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judyjanome@... writes:
 
I did a in the machine daisy design last night in the 5 by 5 hoop. It stitched out beautifully. There was absolutely no puckers at all and the machine is so quiet. However there was very little bobbin thread showing on the back just the top thread, and there was no bobbin thread on the top. I used Janome bobbin thread and the single hole needle plate. Bobbin case was the yellow dot case which I believe should have been the other one but I am having a hard time remembering that part. Judy

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Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

m1955seamstress
 

On the test piece we did at my dealer's store today with my machine there was about 1/3 or so of the backside showing the top thread and the rest was the bobbin thread.  I was supposed to take my test piece home, but I must have left it at the store.  So no pictures to post unless I get another test done soon.
 
Is this "normal"?  The top looked good.
 
Thanks,
Marla

From: "Fmjfrazier@..."
To: janome12000@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

 
In the hoop embroidery you use the yellow dot.  It has a little tighter tension which is good.
 
You used the right one.
 
Virginia
 
In a message dated 12/7/2011 7:44:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judyjanome@... writes:
 
I did a in the machine daisy design last night in the 5 by 5 hoop. It stitched out beautifully. There was absolutely no puckers at all and the machine is so quiet. However there was very little bobbin thread showing on the back just the top thread, and there was no bobbin thread on the top. I used Janome bobbin thread and the single hole needle plate. Bobbin case was the yellow dot case which I believe should have been the other one but I am having a hard time remembering that part. Judy

Sent from my iPhone



Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroid...

Virginia
 

In the hoop embroidery you use the yellow dot.  It has a little tighter tension which is good.
 
You used the right one.
 
Virginia
 
In a message dated 12/7/2011 7:44:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judyjanome@... writes:

 

I did a in the machine daisy design last night in the 5 by 5 hoop. It stitched out beautifully. There was absolutely no puckers at all and the machine is so quiet. However there was very little bobbin thread showing on the back just the top thread, and there was no bobbin thread on the top. I used Janome bobbin thread and the single hole needle plate. Bobbin case was the yellow dot case which I believe should have been the other one but I am having a hard time remembering that part. Judy

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Re: How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroidery?

Judy <judyjanome@...>
 

I did a in the machine daisy design last night in the 5 by 5 hoop. It stitched out beautifully. There was absolutely no puckers at all and the machine is so quiet. However there was very little bobbin thread showing on the back just the top thread, and there was no bobbin thread on the top. I used Janome bobbin thread and the single hole needle plate. Bobbin case was the yellow dot case which I believe should have been the other one but I am having a hard time remembering that part. Judy

Sent from my iPhone


How Much Top Thread Should Show on Underside of Embroidery?

m1955seamstress
 

Hi,
I should already know the answer to this question, but I was having trouble with the tension on my 12000. I just got it back and think it is ok now. However, I was told by another 12000 owner that she never has any top thread showing on the underside of her embroidery.

I was told by my dealer and also a lady who works for him on two separate occasions that there will be some of the top thread pulled to the underside.

The top side looks good and no bobbin thread showing.

If anyone can post pictures of what is normal, I'd appreciate it. I looked back at some of my embroidery I did with my 11000 and it too showed some top thread pulled to the underside. Perhaps I was doing something wrong even with my 11000, but looks good on the top side on those too!

Thanks for any advice you can supply!

Marla


Embroidery Feature I Love

Sherry Martin
 

For the 1st time today, I got to do some embroidery on my new machine. One of my favorite things to do is embroidery applique and I found a feature that I LOVE. When you press the icon that looks like a hoop in the embroidery mode, it will bring the hoop towards you so you can use a mini-iron to press down applique pieces, and also so you can trim pieces after they have been sewn with the anchor stitches. On my machine before I always had to take the whole hoop off of the machine press and/or trim and put the hoop back on sometimes many times even the applique had a lot of pieces.

Also when I 1st started I didn't put in the straight stitch plate or change the bobbin holder(since I was using Janome bobbin thread) and a lot of the white bobbin thread was showing on the top. I changed to the straight stitch plate, changed the bobbin holder, and lowered the speed from 1000 to 800 and absolutely no thread showed thru even on dark colors. Don't know if I really needed to lower the speed but it was going so fast I couldn't tell what the stitches looked like as it went along which was bothering me a little.

One thing I don't like is how much fabric it seems like you have to waste when using the 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 hoop because of the oblong design. However since I was doing fairly small squares to become part of a larger quilted wall hanging, I hooped some sticky stabilizer and pressed the squares of fabric on it instead of hooping the fabric, and then I just kept pulling off my squares when I finished and put just enough sticky stabilizer to cover the hole from pulling the squares off. I could do a lot of squares without needing to hoop any more stabilizer.


Re: The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?

Sherry Martin
 

Isn't it funny what we do for our daughters. I had a quilt in my family room that I took to my daughter's house recently for an extra blanket in the car; and somehow it ended up staying at her house permanently. She insisted that it matched the colors in her sofa exactly.

--- In janome12000@..., Judy <judyjanome@...> wrote:

Thank you Donna I really do appreciate it. I have to make another tree as one got a home at my dogs vet today and my daughter in Florida saw the satin one and asked for it. Again thanks for all your help. Judy

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On Dec 7, 2011, at 4:32 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

Okay, here I go! I’ll report back later today. I have a theory but like all theories, I have to test it out.

Donna M
Canada

From: Maria Boyle
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:05 PM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: Re: [janome12000] The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?


Hi Donna,

The problem started at tree 4, that would be part 5. Part one is the trunk.




María

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On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

I love a puzzle! I have bought the design that seems to have some problems and would like to test it out on my 12000. As the design is in several parts, which part had the problem?

Donna M
Canada


Re: The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?

Judy <judyjanome@...>
 

Thank you Donna I really do appreciate it. I have to make another tree as one got a home at my dogs vet today and my daughter in Florida saw the satin one and asked for it.  Again thanks for all your help. Judy

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 7, 2011, at 4:32 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

 

Okay, here I go!  I’ll report back later today.  I have a theory but like all theories, I have to test it out.
 
Donna M
Canada
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?
 
 

Hi Donna,
 
     The problem started at tree 4,  that would be part 5.  Part one is the trunk.

 
 
 
María

Sent from my iPad
 

On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

I love a puzzle!  I have bought the design that seems to have some problems and would like to test it out on my 12000.  As the design is in several parts, which part had the problem?
 
Donna M
Canada
 


Re: The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?

Maria Boyle
 

Cool... Cant wait.  :)




María

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On Dec 7, 2011, at 4:32 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

Okay, here I go!  I’ll report back later today.  I have a theory but like all theories, I have to test it out.
 
Donna M
Canada
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?
 
 

Hi Donna,
 
     The problem started at tree 4,  that would be part 5.  Part one is the trunk.

 
 
 
María

Sent from my iPad
 

On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

I love a puzzle!  I have bought the design that seems to have some problems and would like to test it out on my 12000.  As the design is in several parts, which part had the problem?
 
Donna M
Canada
 


Re: The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?

Donna Morton
 

Okay, here I go!  I’ll report back later today.  I have a theory but like all theories, I have to test it out.
 
Donna M
Canada
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?
 
 

Hi Donna,
 
     The problem started at tree 4,  that would be part 5.  Part one is the trunk.

 
 
 
María

Sent from my iPad
 

On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

I love a puzzle!  I have bought the design that seems to have some problems and would like to test it out on my 12000.  As the design is in several parts, which part had the problem?
 
Donna M
Canada
 


Re: The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?

Maria Boyle
 

Hi Donna,

     The problem started at tree 4,  that would be part 5.  Part one is the trunk.




María

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

I love a puzzle!  I have bought the design that seems to have some problems and would like to test it out on my 12000.  As the design is in several parts, which part had the problem?
 
Donna M
Canada


Re: The Tree Stitchout -- which part caused the problem?

Donna Morton
 

I love a puzzle!  I have bought the design that seems to have some problems and would like to test it out on my 12000.  As the design is in several parts, which part had the problem?
 
Donna M
Canada


Re: Question regarding stitch out -- Some suggestions

Maria Boyle
 

Thank you so much for that tip. It's making since to me now. I am currently embroidering a design that also has some heaving stitching. But this design requires 2 layers of cut away. It is stitching out beautifully. No problems with it at all. :)

I am learning so much.




María

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On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "janetpiekarski" <jsm1144@...> wrote:

When stitching out a heavy stitch count design, the better stabilizer is either Fabri-Solvy or Floriani fabric water soluble. The "plastic" types get pierced and perforate and collapse. the fabric type do not (or do it MUCH less), they dissolve just as easily.

--- In janome12000@..., "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

Water soluble stabilizer = WSS

From: Maria Boyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Question regarding stitch out -- Some suggestions



Hello Donna,

I am having the same problem as Judy and I am using the straight stitch plate. What is WSS?

Thanks





María


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On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:


Stitching on WSS seems to be the common denominator for stitching problems. I’ve uploaded a pdf to the group files called Hoop Assit(1). It has pictures showing how to line an inner hoop with non-skid matting. Our new, large hoops are wonderful but they may not be keeping WSS under good tension during the stitch out so I would recommend you try this.

The second thing I would recommend is that you use the straight stitch plate as described on page 100 of the manual for all embroidery.

If you are using the same thread top and bottom then the manual recommends you use the standard bobbin case (p. 101 â€" last NOTE).

The other issue that has been a problem is owners selecting the Janome Acrylic thread in the SET menu. The tension for this thread is different than the other thread brands due to the different characteristics of this acrylic 50 wt thread. Do not select this thread if you are using 40 wt rayon or polyester embroidery threads. This stitch out will be terrible.

Donna M
Canada


From: judyjanome
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:08 AM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: [janome12000] Question regarding stitch out


I have the new Janome 12000. I did own the 11000 when it first came out. So I am familar with the quaility of this company. I also own the Viking Diamond. Recently when a friend and I took a road trip we both purchased the 12000. Our first project was a in the hoop christmas tree. We both used WSS (aqua magic), Robinson Anton thread both in the needle and bobbin case. She used the bobbin with the yellow dot, I FORGOT and used the regular case. We started out with the janome red needle and stitched to the blue. The outcome for both of us was less that perfect as we both had the thread sucked down into the bobbin case while doing the satin stitches. After cleaning the bobbin case out it would work for some time only to have the same thing happen again. Also forgot to mention we used the batting which was recommended for the project. I also stitched this out on my other machine without the thread being pulled to the bobbin case. My dealer is 6 hours away and I have been trying to call Janome but they are in training today. I love this machine and I am sure the both of my machines will compliment each other. I am going to post pictures. They look beautiful but I just want to figure out why this is happening. Judy



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Re: Memory Stick

Virginia
 

I was never able to use anything but a 2gb in my 11,000SE maybe it has changed.


Re: Question regarding stitch out -- Some suggestions

janetpiekarski
 

When stitching out a heavy stitch count design, the better stabilizer is either Fabri-Solvy or Floriani fabric water soluble. The "plastic" types get pierced and perforate and collapse. the fabric type do not (or do it MUCH less), they dissolve just as easily.

--- In janome12000@..., "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:

Water soluble stabilizer = WSS

From: Maria Boyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Question regarding stitch out -- Some suggestions



Hello Donna,

I am having the same problem as Judy and I am using the straight stitch plate. What is WSS?

Thanks





María


Sent from my iPad


On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "Donna Morton" <demorton@...> wrote:


Stitching on WSS seems to be the common denominator for stitching problems. I’ve uploaded a pdf to the group files called Hoop Assit(1). It has pictures showing how to line an inner hoop with non-skid matting. Our new, large hoops are wonderful but they may not be keeping WSS under good tension during the stitch out so I would recommend you try this.

The second thing I would recommend is that you use the straight stitch plate as described on page 100 of the manual for all embroidery.

If you are using the same thread top and bottom then the manual recommends you use the standard bobbin case (p. 101 â€" last NOTE).

The other issue that has been a problem is owners selecting the Janome Acrylic thread in the SET menu. The tension for this thread is different than the other thread brands due to the different characteristics of this acrylic 50 wt thread. Do not select this thread if you are using 40 wt rayon or polyester embroidery threads. This stitch out will be terrible.

Donna M
Canada


From: judyjanome
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:08 AM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: [janome12000] Question regarding stitch out


I have the new Janome 12000. I did own the 11000 when it first came out. So I am familar with the quaility of this company. I also own the Viking Diamond. Recently when a friend and I took a road trip we both purchased the 12000. Our first project was a in the hoop christmas tree. We both used WSS (aqua magic), Robinson Anton thread both in the needle and bobbin case. She used the bobbin with the yellow dot, I FORGOT and used the regular case. We started out with the janome red needle and stitched to the blue. The outcome for both of us was less that perfect as we both had the thread sucked down into the bobbin case while doing the satin stitches. After cleaning the bobbin case out it would work for some time only to have the same thing happen again. Also forgot to mention we used the batting which was recommended for the project. I also stitched this out on my other machine without the thread being pulled to the bobbin case. My dealer is 6 hours away and I have been trying to call Janome but they are in training today. I love this machine and I am sure the both of my machines will compliment each other. I am going to post pictures. They look beautiful but I just want to figure out why this is happening. Judy


Re: Memory Stick

Donna Morton
 

The maximum size USB stick is “unlimited”.  We were told this in a Janome Canada meeting directly by the engineer who worked on this on the 12000. 
 
Donna M
Canada
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: [janome12000] Memory Stick
 
 

Does anyone know what the maximum size memory stick you can use for the 12000 is? I was told once that the maximum size for the 11000 was 4mb which is pretty small; I never verified if this was actually true or not.


Memory Stick

Sherry Martin
 

Does anyone know what the maximum size memory stick you can use for the 12000 is? I was told once that the maximum size for the 11000 was 4mb which is pretty small; I never verified if this was actually true or not.