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12000 stops during embroidery

GLENDA T
 

Don't know if anyone else has had this problem I could not find anything on group messages.  I made a basic design with weave fill using Janome MBX software, just like I have done several times before with no problems.  During stitch out the embroidery machine stopped while doing the design and gave no message on screen.  No broken thread and it had a full bobbin at the start.  I pushed the start button and the embroidery continued.  I stitched a block type name on a towel and had problem with first letter of 6 that I was working on.  Other 5 stitched with no problems. This design is the weave fill #1 that I have never had any issues with before.  Digitized and stabilized the same as I have done for many towels designs in the past.  
I just had the annual service done on my machine and there were no problems.  I have only done one other design on the machine since service and had the same issue with machine stopping but it was a very complicated design with top stitches that were too small and figured that was what caused it then. They were straight single line and small satin stitches so I figured that was the problem there and moved nodes further apart which seemed to stop the problem on that design.   
Any ideas on what would have caused the machine to stop?  Thanks for any help or advice on what may be wrong. Wonder if I should take it back to have the tech check it again but wanted to see if others had the same problem before I do that.  Thank you, Glenda
 


Re: Nests

vicki chrobak
 

One tiny little thing Alice: is your thread audibly "clicking" in between step 1 & 2? I lay my thread in at 1 then grab with my right hand to the right of 1 and hold until bringing over take-up lever at 4. That click is a must with these machines.
Vicki Jo

On 3/23/2013 5:26 PM, Alice Cromer wrote:

Thanks for the responses to my post about thread nests.  I stitched out a sample this afternoon.  The thread was in the take up lever- yes all the way in.  I opened the door and looked.  I still got intermittent thread nests.

I am winding my own bobbins with Janome bobbin thread.  These are the bobbins  and thread that came with the machine.  I also tried Bottom Line in the bobbin.  I am using the embroidery bobbin case with the yellow dot.  It and the bobbin seem to be correctly in place.

 

I also use my 12000 for sewing and never have a problem.  In fact, I absolutely LOVE it.  I am an experienced quilter and machine embroiderer.  I just can’t figure out what’s going on here.  The machine will stitch perfectly then start “nesting” when you least expect it.

 

Thanks for your help.  I’m not giving up until I get this figured out.

 


Re: Stitch issue on 7700

Pinguin
 

Hello,
I just uploaded 2 pictures in a new album, named Thread Issues.

Yesterday I made a stitch sample, I used the O-foot and put the needle in the far-right position (9.0)

I think what happened is what you described, the tiny loop as if the thread loops around the needle.

I never had this happen before with another machine.

Gerda

Op 23-03-13 16:32, pjrulo@... schreef:

 

Jim,

My question is for the 7700 machine and I'm, hoping you might have some ideas as to what could cause my issue. I'm using Masterpiece thread, accufeed 1/4 inch foot on quilt stitch 93 piecing quilts. I thought the machine needed to be serviced so I took it in for maintenance. The top thread was making a tiny loop on the bottom fabric every once in a while. When it came back from the technician at first it would sew about 2 inches then the stitches would get very tiny and the fabric wouldn't feed thru. I rethreaded, changed the needle, turned it off, turned it on, changed the top tension to 6 and finally it stopped doing this but now it does the little top loop on the bottom side about every 2 inches. I spent most of the afternoon yesterday at the shop. They tried everything, changed the foot, changed the bobbin case, all sorts of other things and finally told me I had to leave the machine. They were going to call Janome. Do you have any idea what could cause this issu
BTW - I love the Volume 1 video guide for the 12000, can't wait to see the next one!

Thanks!
Pam



Software issue

lailawachmann
 

Can someone pls. help me in a software issue. I use MBX Digitizer Pro, and is very satisfied with the program. Normally I pick the design from Design Gallery and opens it in Easy Design and send it through Horizon Link to my MC 12000. Yesterday I experienced, that Easy Design wouldn´t open. It said starting for very long time. I restarted the PC several times with the same result. I also tried to open Easy Design through Start/Programs – no succeed. (the dongle is lightening). I have had the program for nearly two years, and it has until now been working. In my desperation I uninstalled the MBX and installed it again. Now the Easy Design and the Design Edit icons on the desktop don´t look the way they normally do, and I still cannot open Easy Design. The Design Gallery isn´t there at all. I have been uninstalling and installing for several times with the same result.
I hope someone can help me – I am desperate.
Hopefully you understand my description :o)
Thanks in advance!

Br,
Laila from Denmark


Re: Stitch issue on 7700

Pjrulo <pjrulo@...>
 

Thanks Jim and Virginia. They said my thread could have not been feeding correctly for the feeding issue. I knew that and made sure that was not the issue. I also changed the needles, made sure nothing was caught in the thread path, removed the foot and reinstalled it, made sure there were no burrs on the foot, the bobbin case, changed threads. The store owner, technician and I were all baffled. Hopefully Janome can assess the issue without it going back to the factory. As you said I am blessed to own the 12000 and love piecing on it!

Thanks for your input.

Pam



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Re: Nests

Jim_Stutsman <jim@...>
 

The fact that it sometimes stitches perfectly is an important clue. There are a couple of things that could cause this. First is stabilizer. Using one that is wrong for the fabric can lead to all sorts of stitch problems, including nesting. New embroiderers often use lightweight tear away for all projects, because it's inexpensive and easily removed. It also can be literally torn apart by stitching, causing problems. Try using a cut away, at least until you have learned what goes with what. Also make sure you are getting both fabric and stabilizer in the hoop. While it should not be "drum" tight, it also should not have a great deal of "flutter".

Also be advised that needle size matters. On designs with lots of dense or short stitches, a size 14 needle can lead to stitches that have both ends in the same hole, pulling out. This will cause nesting, among other things. If you are currently using purchased designs to learn your machine, stop. Use the built-in designs until you have arrived at perfect stitching, then move to the commercial ones. All designers are not created equal, and you'll learn that some are a lot better than others. Many a tear has been shed over a design that was faulty, leaving the purchaser to wrongly blame herself or her machine for the trouble.

Keep trying, and you'll get it. We're all more than willing to help, but when posting a problem do remember that we can't see it. Be VERY descriptive and include important things like the size and type of needle used, brand and weight of thread, source of the design, type of fabric, type of stabilizer and any other fact you might think of. The more you tell us, the better the answers you will get!

--- In janome12000@yahoogroups.com, "Alice Cromer" <acromer@...> wrote:

Thanks for the responses to my post about thread nests. I stitched out a
sample this afternoon. The thread was in the take up lever- yes all the way
in. I opened the door and looked. I still got intermittent thread nests.

I am winding my own bobbins with Janome bobbin thread. These are the
bobbins and thread that came with the machine. I also tried Bottom Line in
the bobbin. I am using the embroidery bobbin case with the yellow dot. It
and the bobbin seem to be correctly in place.



I also use my 12000 for sewing and never have a problem. In fact, I
absolutely LOVE it. I am an experienced quilter and machine embroiderer. I
just can't figure out what's going on here. The machine will stitch
perfectly then start "nesting" when you least expect it.



Thanks for your help. I'm not giving up until I get this figured out.



Alice in Florida



From: janome12000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:janome12000@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jim_Stutsman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:10 PM
To: janome12000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [janome12000] Re: Nests





Sure, it's definitely worth using the single hole plate for embroidery, but
I don't think it is related at all to the thread nesting. If you compare
machine sewing to hand sewing, imagine the process of pulling the thread to
the top with your fingers. The take-up lever is your fingertips, and the
tension is how tightly they are gripping the needle. Without holding the
needle in your fingertips - you get a loop. Don't hold the needle tightly
enough - you get a loop. Run the machine without the thread in the take-up
lever, or with little to no tension, you get a lot of loops, aka a thread
"nest". When the needle is coming up, the thread is tucked snugly into the
groove at the back of the needle, so there is no "play" in the thread.
That's why the size of the hole in the plate is not a factor, although using
the single hole plate provides more support to the fabric, resulting in a
better stitch.

--- In janome12000@yahoogroups.com <mailto:janome12000%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Linda True Norman" <lindahome@> wrote:

Also, when I was playing with the 12000 last weekend, I mentioned the
nesting under the needle plate/bobbin area, and Sue said it MIGHT be a
choice of needleplates. Use the single hole one instead of the wide hole
to give the thread less play coming up thru the needle plate and see if
that
cures it. Worth a try?

Linda True Norman
ltrue@
www.theyogaman.com/truecreations
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katy McCue" <kmccue@>
To: <janome12000@yahoogroups.com <mailto:janome12000%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Skipped Stitches


When this happened to me it was because I had broken a needle. The damage
done to the bobbin case created bumps and burrs in the plastic case. I
tried
filing them down, but they were too severe. The thread kept getting caught
on the plastic as it came around the case. I finally had to get a new
bobbin
case. Examine your case and try your embroidery case to see if your
stitches
skip with it.

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Re: Stitch issue on 7700

Virginia
 

When using the dual feed foot for piecing stitch be sure you engage the dual feed foot and carefully switch to the single hole plate.  That may help.  Be sure you are using the right size needle and that there is no burr on the needle.
 
Virginia
 

In a message dated 3/23/2013 4:59:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pjrulo@... writes:
 

Jim,

My question is for the 7700 machine and I'm, hoping you might have some ideas as to what could cause my issue. I'm using Masterpiece thread, accufeed 1/4 inch foot on quilt stitch 93 piecing quilts. I thought the machine needed to be serviced so I took it in for maintenance. The top thread was making a tiny loop on the bottom fabric every once in a while. When it came back from the technician at first it would sew about 2 inches then the stitches would get very tiny and the fabric wouldn't feed thru. I rethreaded, changed the needle, turned it off, turned it on, changed the top tension to 6 and finally it stopped doing this but now it does the little top loop on the bottom side about every 2 inches. I spent most of the afternoon yesterday at the shop. They tried everything, changed the foot, changed the bobbin case, all sorts of other things and finally told me I had to leave the machine. They were going to call Janome. Do you have any idea what could cause t his issue? Your opinion is very much appreciated!

BTW - I love the Volume 1 video guide for the 12000, can't wait to see the next one!

Thanks!
Pam


Re: Nests

Alice Cromer <acromer@...>
 

Thanks for the responses to my post about thread nests.  I stitched out a sample this afternoon.  The thread was in the take up lever- yes all the way in.  I opened the door and looked.  I still got intermittent thread nests.

I am winding my own bobbins with Janome bobbin thread.  These are the bobbins  and thread that came with the machine.  I also tried Bottom Line in the bobbin.  I am using the embroidery bobbin case with the yellow dot.  It and the bobbin seem to be correctly in place.

 

I also use my 12000 for sewing and never have a problem.  In fact, I absolutely LOVE it.  I am an experienced quilter and machine embroiderer.  I just can’t figure out what’s going on here.  The machine will stitch perfectly then start “nesting” when you least expect it.

 

Thanks for your help.  I’m not giving up until I get this figured out.

 

Alice in Florida

 

From: janome12000@... [mailto:janome12000@...] On Behalf Of Jim_Stutsman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:10 PM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: [janome12000] Re: Nests

 

 

Sure, it's definitely worth using the single hole plate for embroidery, but I don't think it is related at all to the thread nesting. If you compare machine sewing to hand sewing, imagine the process of pulling the thread to the top with your fingers. The take-up lever is your fingertips, and the tension is how tightly they are gripping the needle. Without holding the needle in your fingertips - you get a loop. Don't hold the needle tightly enough - you get a loop. Run the machine without the thread in the take-up lever, or with little to no tension, you get a lot of loops, aka a thread "nest". When the needle is coming up, the thread is tucked snugly into the groove at the back of the needle, so there is no "play" in the thread. That's why the size of the hole in the plate is not a factor, although using the single hole plate provides more support to the fabric, resulting in a better stitch.

--- In janome12000@..., "Linda True Norman" wrote:
>
> Also, when I was playing with the 12000 last weekend, I mentioned the
> nesting under the needle plate/bobbin area, and Sue said it MIGHT be a
> choice of needleplates. Use the single hole one instead of the wide hole
> to give the thread less play coming up thru the needle plate and see if that
> cures it. Worth a try?
>
> Linda True Norman
> ltrue@...
> www.theyogaman.com/truecreations
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katy McCue"
> To: <janome12000@...>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [janome12000] Skipped Stitches
>
>
> When this happened to me it was because I had broken a needle. The damage
> done to the bobbin case created bumps and burrs in the plastic case. I tried
> filing them down, but they were too severe. The thread kept getting caught
> on the plastic as it came around the case. I finally had to get a new bobbin
> case. Examine your case and try your embroidery case to see if your stitches
> skip with it.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>


Re: Nests

Jim_Stutsman <jim@...>
 

Sure, it's definitely worth using the single hole plate for embroidery, but I don't think it is related at all to the thread nesting. If you compare machine sewing to hand sewing, imagine the process of pulling the thread to the top with your fingers. The take-up lever is your fingertips, and the tension is how tightly they are gripping the needle. Without holding the needle in your fingertips - you get a loop. Don't hold the needle tightly enough - you get a loop. Run the machine without the thread in the take-up lever, or with little to no tension, you get a lot of loops, aka a thread "nest". When the needle is coming up, the thread is tucked snugly into the groove at the back of the needle, so there is no "play" in the thread. That's why the size of the hole in the plate is not a factor, although using the single hole plate provides more support to the fabric, resulting in a better stitch.

--- In janome12000@yahoogroups.com, "Linda True Norman" <lindahome@...> wrote:

Also, when I was playing with the 12000 last weekend, I mentioned the
nesting under the needle plate/bobbin area, and Sue said it MIGHT be a
choice of needleplates. Use the single hole one instead of the wide hole
to give the thread less play coming up thru the needle plate and see if that
cures it. Worth a try?

Linda True Norman
ltrue@...
www.theyogaman.com/truecreations
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katy McCue" <kmccue@...>
To: <janome12000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Skipped Stitches


When this happened to me it was because I had broken a needle. The damage
done to the bobbin case created bumps and burrs in the plastic case. I tried
filing them down, but they were too severe. The thread kept getting caught
on the plastic as it came around the case. I finally had to get a new bobbin
case. Examine your case and try your embroidery case to see if your stitches
skip with it.

Sent from my iPad


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Re: Stitch issue on 7700

Jim_Stutsman <jim@...>
 

Since the feed issue appeared after servicing, I would say something happened during servicing to cause that. The small loop on the bottom could have multiple causes, and calling Janome is probably their best course of action. In the meantime your 12000 can do everything that the 7700 does, better.

Thanks for the positive feedback on the video. We're wrapping up the AcuFil Tool video now. It's becoming clear that the embroidery videos are going to be much longer, perhaps requiring multiple DVDs. Diane is working really hard to get them out ASAP.

--- In janome12000@yahoogroups.com, "pjrulo@..." <pjrulo@...> wrote:

Jim,

My question is for the 7700 machine and I'm, hoping you might have some ideas as to what could cause my issue. I'm using Masterpiece thread, accufeed 1/4 inch foot on quilt stitch 93 piecing quilts. I thought the machine needed to be serviced so I took it in for maintenance. The top thread was making a tiny loop on the bottom fabric every once in a while. When it came back from the technician at first it would sew about 2 inches then the stitches would get very tiny and the fabric wouldn't feed thru. I rethreaded, changed the needle, turned it off, turned it on, changed the top tension to 6 and finally it stopped doing this but now it does the little top loop on the bottom side about every 2 inches. I spent most of the afternoon yesterday at the shop. They tried everything, changed the foot, changed the bobbin case, all sorts of other things and finally told me I had to leave the machine. They were going to call Janome. Do you have any idea what could cause this issue? Your opinion is very much appreciated!


BTW - I love the Volume 1 video guide for the 12000, can't wait to see the next one!

Thanks!
Pam


Nests

Linda True Norman <lindahome@...>
 

Also, when I was playing with the 12000 last weekend, I mentioned the
nesting under the needle plate/bobbin area, and Sue said it MIGHT be a
choice of needleplates. Use the single hole one instead of the wide hole
to give the thread less play coming up thru the needle plate and see if that
cures it. Worth a try?

Linda True Norman
ltrue@hatfieldandcompany.com
www.theyogaman.com/truecreations

----- Original Message -----
From: "Katy McCue" <kmccue@mchsi.com>
To: <janome12000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Skipped Stitches


When this happened to me it was because I had broken a needle. The damage
done to the bobbin case created bumps and burrs in the plastic case. I tried
filing them down, but they were too severe. The thread kept getting caught
on the plastic as it came around the case. I finally had to get a new bobbin
case. Examine your case and try your embroidery case to see if your stitches
skip with it.

Sent from my iPad


------------------------------------

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Stitch issue on 7700

pjrulo@bellsouth.net <pjrulo@...>
 

Jim,

My question is for the 7700 machine and I'm, hoping you might have some ideas as to what could cause my issue. I'm using Masterpiece thread, accufeed 1/4 inch foot on quilt stitch 93 piecing quilts. I thought the machine needed to be serviced so I took it in for maintenance. The top thread was making a tiny loop on the bottom fabric every once in a while. When it came back from the technician at first it would sew about 2 inches then the stitches would get very tiny and the fabric wouldn't feed thru. I rethreaded, changed the needle, turned it off, turned it on, changed the top tension to 6 and finally it stopped doing this but now it does the little top loop on the bottom side about every 2 inches. I spent most of the afternoon yesterday at the shop. They tried everything, changed the foot, changed the bobbin case, all sorts of other things and finally told me I had to leave the machine. They were going to call Janome. Do you have any idea what could cause this issue? Your opinion is very much appreciated!


BTW - I love the Volume 1 video guide for the 12000, can't wait to see the next one!

Thanks!
Pam


Re: thread nests on back of embroidery

linynp
 

Check the thread in the take up lever. That's usually I find wrong when that happens.

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Nancy W


Re: Skipped Stitches

Katy McCue <kmccue@...>
 

When this happened to me it was because I had broken a needle. The damage done to the bobbin case created bumps and burrs in the plastic case. I tried filing them down, but they were too severe. The thread kept getting caught on the plastic as it came around the case. I finally had to get a new bobbin case. Examine your case and try your embroidery case to see if your stitches skip with it.

Sent from my iPad


Re: thread nests on back of embroidery

Alice Cromer <acromer@...>
 

Thank you!  I will check it out.

 

Alice

 

From: janome12000@... [mailto:janome12000@...] On Behalf Of Jim_Stutsman
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 7:06 PM
To: janome12000@...
Subject: [janome12000] Re: thread nests on back of embroidery

 

 

Most likely the thread is not in the take-up lever. Open the door on the left end of the machine so you can check it. There is a clip to prevent it from coming out of the lever, but new owners, being cautious, often don't tug hard enough to pull the thread over the clip and into the eye of the lever. Until you are used to the feel of it, try threading with the door open so you can see what's happening.

--- In janome12000@..., "Alice Cromer" wrote:
>
> I have a new 12000. I have done machine embroidery for years on other
> brands.
>
>
>
> When stitching out a design, there is a popping sound in the bobbin area and
> then a thread nest begins to form and I have to stop. Could you help me
> trouble shoot this problem, please? I have changed the needle. I have
> re-threaded the machine, cleaned out the bobbin area. I have tried
> different stabilizers and fabrics. My deal told me to increase the tension,
> but that doesn't help. I have tried Janome bobbin thread and both bobbin
> cases.
>
>
>
> I have a MB4 and it works beautifully. I was so hoping to be able to work
> on two designs at once by using the 12000.
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Alice Cromer
>


Re: thread nests on back of embroidery

Virginia
 

Beside it being in the take up lever be sure your bobbin thread is in the bobbin case correctly and the thread is snapped into the bobbin tension.  If your bobbin is coming out of the case perhaps it is the wrong size bobbin.  Are they pre-wound bobbins or did you wind it yourself?
 
Remember with the 12,000 you use the yellow dot bobbincase for embroidery and the red for regular sewing.
 
Virginia
 

In a message dated 3/22/2013 7:06:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim@... writes:
 

Most likely the thread is not in the take-up lever. Open the door on the left end of the machine so you can check it. There is a clip to prevent it from coming out of the lever, but new owners, being cautious, often don't tug hard enough to pull the thread over the clip and into the eye of the lever. Until you are used to the feel of it, try threading with the door open so you can see what's happening.

--- In janome12000@..., "Alice Cromer" wrote:
>
> I have a new 12000. I have done machine embroidery for years on other
> brands.
>
>
>
> When stitching out a design, there is a popping sound in the bobbin area and
> then a thread nest begins to form and I have to stop. Could you help me
> trouble shoot this problem, please? I have changed the needle. I have
> re-threaded the machine, cleaned out the bobbin area. I have tried
> different stabilizers and fabrics. My deal told me to increase the tension,
> but that doesn't help. I have tried Janome bobbin thread and both bobbin
> cases.
>
>
>
> I have a MB4 and it works beautifully. I was so hoping to be able to work
> on two designs at once by using the 12000.
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Alice Cromer
>


Re: thread nests on back of embroidery

Jim_Stutsman <jim@...>
 

Most likely the thread is not in the take-up lever. Open the door on the left end of the machine so you can check it. There is a clip to prevent it from coming out of the lever, but new owners, being cautious, often don't tug hard enough to pull the thread over the clip and into the eye of the lever. Until you are used to the feel of it, try threading with the door open so you can see what's happening.

--- In janome12000@yahoogroups.com, "Alice Cromer" <acromer@...> wrote:

I have a new 12000. I have done machine embroidery for years on other
brands.



When stitching out a design, there is a popping sound in the bobbin area and
then a thread nest begins to form and I have to stop. Could you help me
trouble shoot this problem, please? I have changed the needle. I have
re-threaded the machine, cleaned out the bobbin area. I have tried
different stabilizers and fabrics. My deal told me to increase the tension,
but that doesn't help. I have tried Janome bobbin thread and both bobbin
cases.



I have a MB4 and it works beautifully. I was so hoping to be able to work
on two designs at once by using the 12000.



Suggestions?

Alice Cromer


Re: thread for embroidery and quilting

shejmartin1
 

Actually I have found the opposite. Any thread I have tried seems to work well in the machine especially compared to the Pfaff I had before this machine. I never could free motion quilt well with the Pfaff because any thread I tried would break. But so far I haven't had any problems with the 120000.

--- In janome12000@yahoogroups.com, "joanncompagnone" <joanncompagnone@...> wrote:

Do you find that the machine is fussy about thread? I can use sulky, or aurifil but other threads break and I have many spools of king tut. Why is that happening?


Re: Skipped Stitches

Pinguin
 

Hi,
I find that this happens when the needle is at the far right (or left).
Try to do some wide stitches (zig zag or decorative) and see of the needle misses the stitches at the side as well.
Then ask your dealer to try to adjust the machine.

Gerda

ps It frustrates me as well...

Op 22-03-13 15:02, sharilynpittman schreef:

 

Hello,

I am a new Memory Craft 12000 owner, and fairly new to this group. I am trying to finish piecing a quilt project that I started at a retreat last weekend. Very frustrated by missed stitches! I have changed needle, thread and cleaned the machine. Any other ideas about what is causing this? There are 3-5 stitches missing randomly on the seams.

Thanks,
Sherry



Re: thread nests on back of embroidery

Alice Cromer <acromer@...>
 

I have a new 12000. I have done machine embroidery for years on other
brands.



When stitching out a design, there is a popping sound in the bobbin area and
then a thread nest begins to form and I have to stop. Could you help me
trouble shoot this problem, please? I have changed the needle. I have
re-threaded the machine, cleaned out the bobbin area. I have tried
different stabilizers and fabrics. My deal told me to increase the tension,
but that doesn't help. I have tried Janome bobbin thread and both bobbin
cases.



I have a MB4 and it works beautifully. I was so hoping to be able to work
on two designs at once by using the 12000.



Suggestions?

Alice Cromer