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Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

I have used both the red dot and the yellow dot holders and get the same bouncing bobbin.   Thank you for your suggestion though. I was hoping to stimulate group members to offer their advice or their own experience if having this problem.  
Kathy Strabel.  Camas  WA

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 10:26 AM Donna Morton <demorton@...> wrote:
I have been following this conversation and I have to admit I am puzzled.  The only other thing I might add is to ask what bobbin case are you using?  If you are using the yellow dot bobbin case, then I would switch to the one with the red marking on it to see if that makes a difference.  

Donna M
Canada


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Donna Morton
 

I have been following this conversation and I have to admit I am puzzled.  The only other thing I might add is to ask what bobbin case are you using?  If you are using the yellow dot bobbin case, then I would switch to the one with the red marking on it to see if that makes a difference.  

Donna M
Canada


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Virginia
 

I live in the USA.  Yes it did. I have owned Janome machines since 1996 and never had this happen until now, however I will still purchase only Janome as I feel they are the best.  If your machine is under warranty and this is your issue you should not have to pay.





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-------- Original message --------
From: Kathy Strabel <ksbappa@...>
Date: 7/21/21 10:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] About to toss this machine out the window!

Virginia----So, after waiting for the parts to arrive, did that solve your problem?   I am at my wit's end, have a limited budget, and really want this issue put to bed. I am getting great advice from the moderator Jim, but since he is doing this far far away from where I am, it is difficult to diagnose specifically what is going wrong.  I will be playing golf today to separate myself from this annoyance for a day.  A much-needed respite from this frustration.  Please let me know if you have had success after replacing the hook race parts.  And where do you live?
Happy stitching-----
Kathy Strabel   Camas WA    ksbappa@...


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

Virginia----So, after waiting for the parts to arrive, did that solve your problem?   I am at my wit's end, have a limited budget, and really want this issue put to bed. I am getting great advice from the moderator Jim, but since he is doing this far far away from where I am, it is difficult to diagnose specifically what is going wrong.  I will be playing golf today to separate myself from this annoyance for a day.  A much-needed respite from this frustration.  Please let me know if you have had success after replacing the hook race parts.  And where do you live?
Happy stitching-----
Kathy Strabel   Camas WA    ksbappa@...


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

Roberta----Yes, A Hall of Fame/Shame would be a good idea, but it is always prudent to do a test stitchout, especially on any new design you acquire. Most, if not all, online sellers do not offer money back if not satisfied----I totally "get" that from a seller point of view due to the potential for abuse there. I generally stick to the larger, more prominent online purveyors of designs and I assume that any machine-affiliated design cards or downloads would meet strict quality control. I simply do not have the time or patience to learn digitizing at this stage of my life. The vast array of pre-digitized designs is quite adequate for my needs and software offers a lot of editing options. And some of the fancier machines even have a function where the operator only needs to scan a certain type of image and the machine will digitize that image into an embroidery file. ( I don't know if it is really just that simple, but I have heard of this function from several sources...)   So, even without possessing digitizing skills, we embroiderers have a huge amount of designs to choose from.  We need to be proactive by testing first. I save my test pieces for possible future use, or if they turn out fine, I often incorporate them into some other project.  It may seem like overkill, but at least you don't end up wasting a good garment or tablecloth, etc by not testing first. 
Happy stitching!!

Kathy Strabel   Camas WA

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:49 AM Roberta K via groups.io <robkon94=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Jim,

On my 500E, I have definitely done designs that have “multiple threads coming from the same needle penetration”.
For me, that mostly happens with small designs with things like tiny objects that have a lot of fill or heavy outlines. I have had the same issue happen, where I see loops on the top of the design in random spots. So I am another one who has no clue how to avoid that problem. Soooo frustrating!

As an afterthought, there are so many sources for purchased designs (as on Etsy) that it is difficult to tell how good or bad a design is going to turn out. Maybe we need to keep a file of “Embroidery Design Hall of Fame/Shame” for those of us who purchase designs?

Roberta in FL

Roberta in FL



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Have a good one!
Kathy Strabel





Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Roberta K
 

Hi Jim,

On my 500E, I have definitely done designs that have “multiple threads coming from the same needle penetration”.
For me, that mostly happens with small designs with things like tiny objects that have a lot of fill or heavy outlines. I have had the same issue happen, where I see loops on the top of the design in random spots. So I am another one who has no clue how to avoid that problem. Soooo frustrating!

As an afterthought, there are so many sources for purchased designs (as on Etsy) that it is difficult to tell how good or bad a design is going to turn out. Maybe we need to keep a file of “Embroidery Design Hall of Fame/Shame” for those of us who purchase designs?

Roberta in FL

Roberta in FL


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Virginia
 

I hesitated until now but both my 9400QCP and 15000QCP  have had hook race issues and both are under 3 years old. Parts took months to get here with the pandemic but fortunately my dealer gave me loaners, so don't rule that out.    Virginia



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Jim Stutsman via groups.io" <onlinesewing@...>
Date: 7/20/21 6:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] About to toss this machine out the window!

It's really hard to tell what's going on from the photos. I'm still doubtful it's a hook race problem, since it only happens in one spot. Unfortunately further diagnosis from here is pretty much down to guesswork. You might try looking at the back, under a bright light, with magnification. This will let you see the state of the stabilizer and fabric. In particular, follow one of the loops back to see if you have multiple threads coming from the same needle penetration. That will always cause trouble. If that doesn't get you anywhere I'm afraid you'll need to take it to a technician to see what's going on.


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Jim Stutsman
 

It's really hard to tell what's going on from the photos. I'm still doubtful it's a hook race problem, since it only happens in one spot. Unfortunately further diagnosis from here is pretty much down to guesswork. You might try looking at the back, under a bright light, with magnification. This will let you see the state of the stabilizer and fabric. In particular, follow one of the loops back to see if you have multiple threads coming from the same needle penetration. That will always cause trouble. If that doesn't get you anywhere I'm afraid you'll need to take it to a technician to see what's going on.


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

Jim--I finally got the 3rd photo I wanted you to see re: the lack of density in my butterfly stitchout. Kathy's Hoop Folder in Photos section.
Kathy Strabel   Camas WA


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

Jim---Once again, thank you for your advice and suggestions. You have almost convinced me that I do not need to buy a new race hook assembly. 

Your description of my most recent trouble says that the problem is usually associated with heavy fabric and/or very dense designs.  My test stitchout of the butterfly is neither dense nor on heavy fabric. Just ordinary quilting cotton----the sample on the plaid fabric in the picture.  And, I have used this design in the past with great success--on quilting cotton, 40 wt thread top and bottom, and with a Metallic needle.   You can see this on the multi-colored sample I dug out of a drawer.   So, I don't think what I have is a thread/needle problem.   ( I posted 2 photos in Kathy's Hoop folder in the Photo section. For some un- known reason, I cannot get the 3rd photo to "go". It shows the same design on the same type of fabric same stabilizer and done with a metallic needle size 12. Just for comparison sake....)

I put my thinking cap on and came up with this question: Assuming that all of my preparations are "right"----no threading errors, Janome brand bobbin, same thread weights top and bottom, a needle type and size I know to perform well, adequate stabilizer and good hooping technique, a design that is not dense, suitable cotton quilting fabric, and all planets correctly aligned-----what else could be happening here??    My machine has not been bumped or dropped, it is securely fastened under a tight cargo net in the trunk of my car when transporting--it does not budge.  And the only trips she has taken are to and from the repair shop!! No one else in my household has access to my machine. My cat is afraid of the machine and I don't even have a  dog that might investigate the machine......I cannot think of any other variables.

Happy (?) stitching,
Kathy Strabel   Camas WA


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

Kaye----The design I am using as a test stitchout is not dense at all, but is rather lace-y in appearance.  But your suggestion to enlarge slightly might come in handy for something else in the future.  I am having quite a conversation with Jim, the Moderator of our Group, and I am happy to have people read the saga of this annoying problem. I hope that people can learn something new by following the thread from beginning to end--which, I hope comes soon. as I am quite frustrated. Jim is a very good source of information!!!
Happy stitching!!
Kathy Strabel   Camas WA


Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kathy Strabel
 

Jim--Thanks again for your advice and suggestions.  The problem is still with me.....

You have almost convinced me that I do not need a new hook race assembly, but----you mention that what I last described is exactly what happens if a design is too dense or the fabric too thick/heavy. My butterfly test stitchout  in not dense at all as you will see in the 2 photos I posted in Kathy's Hoop folder in the Photos section. (The hoop is from a separate issue I was having about a year ago---solved! YAYY!).   The fabric is ordinary quilting cotton with 2 layers of a lightweight fusible, tearaway Pellon stabilizer. This stabilizer has worked well for me in the past, with 40 wt thread top and bottom  and a metallic needle size 12. I am having trouble uploading the other photo I want you to see--it is the same design on the same fabric type, with the same stabilizer as a test I did for another project last year.  The test from a year ago shows much better in the photo due to the colors.  I will attempt to re-post after I take a short break.   So, I really do not think this is a thread/stabilizer/needle issue primarily.  And I really believe in the importance of doing a test stitchout almost every time I use a design.  It has saved me from wasting a perfectly good blank on occasion. 

That being said, I just have to wonder that " IF" all the variables that I have set up are "right", then what else could be causing this very annoying problem?  My machine is well cared-for, oiled regularly, has not been bumped, is very secure in the car when I have to transport it, no one else has access to my machine, my cat is afraid of it and I don't have a dog that might knock it off the table, etc. I have had this machine for almost 3 years and it does turn out very lovely results  when it feels like it. I did not start having this issue until about February of this year.  I use quality poly thread--  Robison Anton, or Floriani usually.  I did find out that this machine does not like Coats and Clark embroidery thread, so I gave that all away.  I change the needle frequently--for each project generally.  The machine does not make any other untoward noises, and nothing appears to be loose or missing.  


Re: Second machine for classes

Helen Moslander
 

Thank you all for the suggestions. I will be going to my dealer soon and see what they have to offer. Hope y’all have a wonderful week.

On Jul 20, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Cheryl Paul <capaul@sasktel.net> wrote:

You will get lots of suggestions for a “take to class” machine. However, I’m not sure that Janome makes a machine that doesn’t weigh as much as your S9 or enough to matter for the “take to class” person. I bought the S9 because my 15000 was just to much machine to be taking out for all the classes I wanted to take. I know that the S9 is still quite heavy, but I found it to be really good as it still has a larger embroidery field than my older Janome machine did and I could still manage to take out as it fit into the case I used for my 11000 and could still put a project inside in the space around the machine.

There are many options of lighter weight machines in the 7mm range. There are usually quite a few feet that come with the machine, so sharing accessories isn’t really necessary. You can’t accidentally put the wrong foot on either machine as the foot holder and feet can’t be used except for the 7 or 9mm option. Most optional feet that you might need aren’t that expensive, especially you just purchase what you KNOW that you will use.

Hope you find something that will love as it will serve you well.

Cheryl - Saskatoon




Re: About to toss this machine out the window!

Kaye Lessard
 

If design is real dense You might try to enlarge it 10-20% making it not as dense!
Kaye in la


Re: Second machine for classes

Cheryl Paul
 

You will get lots of suggestions for a “take to class” machine. However, I’m not sure that Janome makes a machine that doesn’t weigh as much as your S9 or enough to matter for the “take to class” person. I bought the S9 because my 15000 was just to much machine to be taking out for all the classes I wanted to take. I know that the S9 is still quite heavy, but I found it to be really good as it still has a larger embroidery field than my older Janome machine did and I could still manage to take out as it fit into the case I used for my 11000 and could still put a project inside in the space around the machine.

There are many options of lighter weight machines in the 7mm range. There are usually quite a few feet that come with the machine, so sharing accessories isn’t really necessary. You can’t accidentally put the wrong foot on either machine as the foot holder and feet can’t be used except for the 7 or 9mm option. Most optional feet that you might need aren’t that expensive, especially you just purchase what you KNOW that you will use.

Hope you find something that will love as it will serve you well.

Cheryl - Saskatoon


Re: Second machine for classes

Lorrie Gauthier
 

Hi Helen. My primary machine is the 15000 and I have a 3160 for classes and travel. I just love it. :)


Re: Second machine for classes

Maria Morrow
 

I had the Janome Mod-200, and loves it, but sold it cheaply to a friend in need. She wouldn’t let me give it to her.  I missed that little 12-pounder. My S5 and 15000 are just too heavy to tote .

So now I bought a JW8100. It’s basically the same as the Mod-200.  It is electronic, sews great, 12 pounds, plenty of stitch choices, needle up/down, and I can set it to stop in the down position (my preference).    It came with an extension table and walking foot. They run about $350 online.  My back thanks me.  

If my sewing event is a retreat, I do lug my S5; but for short sewing events, this little one is great!

Maria Morrow
Mobile:  985-640-5024

On Jul 20, 2021, at 7:43 AM, Vikki Youngmeyer <vikkiy@...> wrote:



I have a 3160 which is a very light weight machine. It doesn’t embroider, but it has most of the features for a class machine that you would need.

Vikki

 

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> On Behalf Of Helen Moslander
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 6:29 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Subject: [onlinesewing-janome] Second machine for classes

 

Hi everyone, I am looking at buying a second machine for classes. I have a S9 which I love. I don’t need the second machine to embroider. Just lighter weight but hopefully will use all my feet, etc. as the S9. Does anyone have a recommendation or have experience with any of the lighter weight machines? Thank you! Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Helen


Re: Second machine for classes

Suzanne Martin
 

I believe she wants a 9mm foot machine.  I had a little M and gave it away when I bought the S7.

Thank you!
Suzanne Martin, Broker
MPI Realty
407-234-6906
suzmar45@...


From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> on behalf of Ceil J <cjancola@...>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 9:46:02 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Second machine for classes
 
My dealer recommended the M7050 when I said I wanted a low cost but good machine to take to classes. He said it had a strong motor and would be useful if I wanted to make any of the rope bowls that were (are?) being done in classes.  It has a lot of features that I love including a start/stop button, thread cutter, and easy to use needle threader.  I've been happy with it and use it in the sewing room as well not only to do some simple sewing but for winding bobbins. https://www.sewinginsight.com/janome/janome-m7050-review/

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 9:47 PM Helen Moslander <Hmoslander16@...> wrote:
Hi everyone, I am looking at buying a second machine for classes. I have a S9 which I love. I don’t need the second machine to embroider. Just lighter weight but hopefully will use all my feet, etc. as the S9. Does anyone have a recommendation or have experience with any of the lighter weight machines? Thank you! Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Helen


Re: Second machine for classes

Vikki Youngmeyer
 

I have a 3160 which is a very light weight machine. It doesn’t embroider, but it has most of the features for a class machine that you would need.

Vikki

 

From: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io <onlinesewing-janome@groups.io> On Behalf Of Helen Moslander
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 6:29 PM
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Subject: [onlinesewing-janome] Second machine for classes

 

Hi everyone, I am looking at buying a second machine for classes. I have a S9 which I love. I don’t need the second machine to embroider. Just lighter weight but hopefully will use all my feet, etc. as the S9. Does anyone have a recommendation or have experience with any of the lighter weight machines? Thank you! Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Helen


Re: Second machine for classes

Ceil J
 

My dealer recommended the M7050 when I said I wanted a low cost but good machine to take to classes. He said it had a strong motor and would be useful if I wanted to make any of the rope bowls that were (are?) being done in classes.  It has a lot of features that I love including a start/stop button, thread cutter, and easy to use needle threader.  I've been happy with it and use it in the sewing room as well not only to do some simple sewing but for winding bobbins. https://www.sewinginsight.com/janome/janome-m7050-review/


On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 9:47 PM Helen Moslander <Hmoslander16@...> wrote:
Hi everyone, I am looking at buying a second machine for classes. I have a S9 which I love. I don’t need the second machine to embroider. Just lighter weight but hopefully will use all my feet, etc. as the S9. Does anyone have a recommendation or have experience with any of the lighter weight machines? Thank you! Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Helen

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