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Re: Needle question

HEATHER COWAN
 

If you google Marathon Threads Canada. they are in Winnipeg, there is a menu for needles and then one for flat and one for round.  They give a great description of Organ needles.  EXL 705 has a longer scarf and two grooves ……. I love this site and as a Canuck it is nice to have them here in Canada.  Their Embroidery supplies are great and I get all my needles here and thread …….


ELx705 Flat Shank Serger and Cover Stitching Needles

This flat shank needle is made specifically for cover stitching and serging, e.g. for sergers that do cover stitches. This needle has a slightly longer scarf and 2 grooves.
We stock this needle in a Ball Point and also a Sharp (Regular) Point.



Re: Needle question

Jim Stutsman
 

Good catch. Thanks Pixey!


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Linda Thompson
 

I purchased a new 15000 V 3 1.5 years ago for $10,000 without a trade in.  It’s beautiful, the hoop is plenty big.  I cannot fathom a larger hoop.  So you are only getting $1,000 as a trade in.  I would not give him $9000 knowing a new machine will be here in less than 3 months.  Keep what you have, buy the 15000 later on when the prices are much less…or you can buy a used one for much less that was used as a trade in in September.  He is not playing fairly.  Your 12000 is still working, isn’t it…so be patient.  

 


Re: Needle question

Pixey
 

Actually the serger I just sold (Janome 1100D) and my CoverPro use ELx705 needles.  So does my mom’s Janome 1200D.  I don’t think the ELx705 needles are interchangeable with regular sewing needles on these sergers.  The back of the needle is very different from a regular sewing needle.  The ELx705 has a longer and slightly different shaped indented area above the eye, as well as being a little flatter with a groove that runs all the way down the back.  I thing this is to accommodate the chaining finger.

You MIGHT be able to use a standard needle if all you were doing was basic 2,3,4 thread safety overlock serging  but I think if your machine is designed to also do flat lock, chain stitching, or cover lock stitches, you risk the back of the needle colliding with other moving parts.

Schmetz makes an ELx705 that is generally not that hard to find at sewing chain stores.  Ironically, the sergers requiring these needles were the only Janome machines I have ever had that actually came with Schmetz needles and did not appear to be optimized to Organ needles.

Pixey


On Jun 12, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Lyn Quine <lynquine@...> wrote:

 Thank you Jim I’ll have a look at that, ELX705 needles aren’t as easy to find as my usual needles.  It’s Amazon or the odd quilt shops here in the UK.


On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:33, Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing@...> wrote:

We were BabyLock dealers very early in our dealership, and only for a couple of years. At that time the needles used by BL were very different from standard machine needles. I remember that vividly, because in servicing a Memory Craft 8000 I accidentally put in a BL serger needle. I spent quite some time trying to adjust what appeared to be a very out-of-spec needle bar height, before realizing my error. I don't know anything about EXL705 needles, but if the length of the needle, position of the eye, and flat appears the same they might work. If the diameter of the needle is different it might be hard to get it the needle clamp. If you want to try a household needle, just turn the hand wheel through several cycles, slowly, to make sure the loopers don't hit the needle. If everything is clear it should be OK.


Re: Needle question

Lyn Quine
 

Thank you Jim I’ll have a look at that, ELX705 needles aren’t as easy to find as my usual needles.  It’s Amazon or the odd quilt shops here in the UK.


On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:33, Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing@...> wrote:

We were BabyLock dealers very early in our dealership, and only for a couple of years. At that time the needles used by BL were very different from standard machine needles. I remember that vividly, because in servicing a Memory Craft 8000 I accidentally put in a BL serger needle. I spent quite some time trying to adjust what appeared to be a very out-of-spec needle bar height, before realizing my error. I don't know anything about EXL705 needles, but if the length of the needle, position of the eye, and flat appears the same they might work. If the diameter of the needle is different it might be hard to get it the needle clamp. If you want to try a household needle, just turn the hand wheel through several cycles, slowly, to make sure the loopers don't hit the needle. If everything is clear it should be OK.


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Fran
 

My dealer told me the ‘new’ machine is an existing machine with embroidery added for a mere $17,000.


Re: Needle question

Jim Stutsman
 

We were BabyLock dealers very early in our dealership, and only for a couple of years. At that time the needles used by BL were very different from standard machine needles. I remember that vividly, because in servicing a Memory Craft 8000 I accidentally put in a BL serger needle. I spent quite some time trying to adjust what appeared to be a very out-of-spec needle bar height, before realizing my error. I don't know anything about EXL705 needles, but if the length of the needle, position of the eye, and flat appears the same they might work. If the diameter of the needle is different it might be hard to get it the needle clamp. If you want to try a household needle, just turn the hand wheel through several cycles, slowly, to make sure the loopers don't hit the needle. If everything is clear it should be OK.


Re: Needle question

Lyn Quine
 

I have a Silver 720D serger/Overlocker which called for the same needles,I was told by silver to use the standard needles I use on my sewing machines, and I could use normal ball points to or stretch needles. 

I also have a Babylock Ovation cover lock, which takes ELX705 needles they look the same as my normal needles but labelled serger. Jim can you tell me how they are different to my normal microtex or normal needles.  I have bought some ELX705 stretch needles for it but they only recommend ELX705 80/12 or 90/14 will I damage the babylock by using the stretch version?  


On 11 Jun 2021, at 23:34, Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing@...> wrote:

Nope, you're on the money. The SP just indicates ball point, but the size is the same.


Re: Needle question

Pixey
 

Thanks Heather.  This is interesting.  I will look at them more closely under a magnifying glass.
 
Pixey

 

On Jun 11, 2021, at 5:59 PM, HEATHER COWAN <heather-c@...> wrote:

This is Information from Marathon threads Canada.  There is some difference in shape of point and size of eye.  Sounds like Janome purple tip to me.  Sorry for font size don’t know how to make smaller.


Re: Needle question

HEATHER COWAN
 

This is Information from Marathon threads Canada.  There is some difference in shape of point and size of eye.  Sounds like Janome purple tip to me.  Sorry for font size don’t know how to make smaller.


15x1-SP Flat Shank for Stretch or Elastic Fabrics

Also called HAx1 SP. This needle will work on any home serger that uses a flat shank needle. This is a special version of the 15x1 for stretch or elastic materials and tightly woven knits. It is made to higher standards, it has a snake's head shape due to a combination of a slightly bulged eye and a slightly reduced blade above the eye. The bulged eye opens a slightly larger space in the material and the thinner blade above the eye reduces contact between the material and the needle. This reduces needle heat-up and prevents skip stitches.


On Jun 11, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Pixey via groups.io <pixeyam@...> wrote:

My old but still runs wonderful Janome MyLock 644D serger calls for an HAx1SP needle. In looking at the Organ catalogue online, the only difference between the HAx1SP (which my dealer doesn’t currently have) and the HAx1 (which my dealer does have) is that the HAx1SP has a small ball point and the HAx1 has a regular point The dimensions are all the same.

So it seems to me that unless I am serging knits, there should be no harm in using the HAx1 needles to serge woven fabrics. Is my logic sound or am I missing something?

Pixey






Re: Needle question

Pixey
 

Thanks Jim!


On Jun 11, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Jim Stutsman via groups.io <onlinesewing@...> wrote:

Nope, you're on the money. The SP just indicates ball point, but the size is the same.


Re: Needle question

Jim Stutsman
 

Nope, you're on the money. The SP just indicates ball point, but the size is the same.


Needle question

Pixey
 

My old but still runs wonderful Janome MyLock 644D serger calls for an HAx1SP needle. In looking at the Organ catalogue online, the only difference between the HAx1SP (which my dealer doesn’t currently have) and the HAx1 (which my dealer does have) is that the HAx1SP has a small ball point and the HAx1 has a regular point The dimensions are all the same.

So it seems to me that unless I am serging knits, there should be no harm in using the HAx1 needles to serge woven fabrics. Is my logic sound or am I missing something?

Pixey


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Kathy Skagen
 

Cat,
That was some very good advice. I was also only offered the MSRP from my dealer when I enquired about the 15000 even as recently as a year ago. Some dealers just do not feel the need to offer a lower price. The 100 mile trip you made was well worth it for that kind of discount and getting your 11000 repaired. I'm glad you found that dealer.
:-)
Kathy

On Friday, June 11, 2021, 02:43:05 PM CDT, Cat - N via groups.io <navillusc@...> wrote:


Not meaning anything bad, but...

The dealer most local to my location only offered the 15000 v2 (which was newly released) to me for full MSRP...literally said the price was "$12,000" when I first looked at it in their store about 6 years ago.  About a year later, I drove nearly 100 miles one way to a dealer who saved me over $4,000 on the 15000's MSRP, and repaired my 11000, which the most local dealer had said wasn't broken at all but sent it home with a thread nest in the bobbin case and needle thread sticking up through the bobbin cover, and told me not to use Organ needles...only Janome 'painted tip'...which they had removed (a blue tip) from my 11000 and inserted their Organ needle which is what came back home in my 11000.  The area where I live is a lower economic area with lower pay scale than many other areas here, so items like that tend to be higher in cost...maybe because fewer perhaps are being sold locally...my guess...plus the nearest 'competing' dealer is about 100 miles in any direction at a minimum.

I declined to trade in my 11000 for the 15000...it is more valuable to me here than what I expected a trade-in value to be.  I couldn't recommend any course of action to you because my situation/need is likely not the same as your situation/need, but I absolutely intend to wait to see what Janome introduces before considering whether or not I am interested in the coming new product, especially considering that several machines live here, including a long arm quilter. But, my 'gut feeling' is that I would likely decline the offer you received if it was offered to me this early in the new model release cycle.  Of course, I dislike being the 'bleeding one' on the 'edge' of technology, having worked over 30 years in high tech and I.T.  What's okay as a 'corporate test' isn't necessarily okay in my bank account.

When I first began looking at the 15000, I had not even seen the MSRP for the machine, but even so, I felt that it wasn't a deal I was interested in...partly because of prices I'd been offered for other brands' TOL machines. 

As to liking the 15000, I do like it very much.  I've had some of the same issues that others have had...foot pedal warning (pedal replaced under warranty), needle threader (replaced under warranty with a new style threader), thread jumping out of the take up lever (I thread backwards now), but I do consider it a fine machine, and doubt I would want to trade it in on a new model anyway.  It is very capable, and I am nowhere near pressing all it's buttons in the five years I've been using it. 

I am a "find your product then your price" person, so I took my time on the 11000, and even longer on the 15000.  If you are truly in a hurry, it might be a good deal...couldn't say, but I wasn't in a hurry, so it was my choice to 'throttle back' and choose with logic and thoughtful consideration of all my options.

Good luck.  I'm sure you'll figure it all out.

- Cat


-----Original Message-----
From: Ceil J <cjancola@...>
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Tech support expiration on 15000

Marlyn,
Not sure where you live but I think that price is way too high!  Also, prices for the 15000 should drop after the intro of the new machine but should never be at the MSRP.  I'm in the US and paid either $8000 or $9000 for my 15000  six year ago.  (sorry but memory is on the downslide).  Just my opinion.
Ceil


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Cheryl Paul
 

Marlyn,

The trade-in price for the 12000 is fantastic, BUT he is NOT discounting the 15000 at all. You would NEVER pay $13,000 for that machine if you were paying cash up front for the 15000. It is definitely worth that amount for the things that is does but I don’t know anyone who paid that much unless there was a trade-in and they dealers tend to put the MSRP on the machine. That number is to give them some “wiggle” room to make deals and the deals change all the time. I think I got my 15000 and it was the first my dealer sold on September 30, 2013. The MSRP was about $11,000 at that time, but I didn’t pay nearly that much. I have upgraded the machine twice. There were parts needed and those weren’t free, except for the needle threader “fix”. The needle threader is still a very “iffy” thing for me, but the technician gets it to work the 110% that Janome said it would do for everyone - obviously I am not doing something correctly all of the time. It sews really well and that is what is the really important part of sewing, so I use the threader and if it doesn’t work after 2 tries, I do it the old fashioned way and carry on - I’ve had my time of being P.O’d on auto threading and moved on.

Back to your question: You could consider selling your 12000 privately and waiting for the new machine to come. If it happens to be something like 2 machines, as Janome did a couple years ago with the Continental M7 and the Embroidery only 550E and before that the MC9450 & 500E, you can then decide if you would like the 15000 - it is not going to increase in price, unless they do some sort of “spectular” upgrade on it, which I doubt. Why I like the 15000 and all those combo machines I owned before it starting at the MC10000 is that you can do both on one machine. I’ve taken all 4 of my combination sewing/embroidery machines to classes at various times. The 12000 and 15000 are a pain in the neck to take out but it is doable. I can’t imagine taking an embroidery machine and a sewing machine to a class though, however some dealers will have a sewing machine set up for the sewing parts of an embroidery class to be used if needed.

I’m on the fence about a new machine, as I purchased the Continental M7 about 18 months ago and I love it so much, that I can’t imagine what more they can do to a sewing machine, but I’ve been surprised before. I am a machine junky to say the least as I have 3 sewing machines, a serger AT2000 and a CoverHem 2000 set up in my sewing room ready to go at any time. I also have a 4120QDC for taking to classes (if we ever get any again). However, I gotten so spoiled with the automatic foot lift that I will sometimes take my Skyline S9, so I can be lazy at class too. I am 76 years old and still wanting to learn more, so I might just go ahead and get the new machine, but I won’t decide until I see it. I don’t have to be “the first” anymore, been than, done that.

I love Janome, as all the machines I use are Janome brand, but I have a Pfaff 1222 that I bought in 1974 and a Husqvarna serger that I bought in a weak moment - both of those sew beautifully, but don’t get used at all these days. Oh, I can’t forget my 2 old Singer Treadle machine from the days before electricity was in every home - probably from before 1940 - they are not family heirlooms, but ones I purchased because they looked nice.

Cheryl - Saskatoon


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Cynthia Dickerson
 

I would not take this deal.  This is way to much money.  You should call around.  You can do much better!


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Cat - N
 

Not meaning anything bad, but...

The dealer most local to my location only offered the 15000 v2 (which was newly released) to me for full MSRP...literally said the price was "$12,000" when I first looked at it in their store about 6 years ago.  About a year later, I drove nearly 100 miles one way to a dealer who saved me over $4,000 on the 15000's MSRP, and repaired my 11000, which the most local dealer had said wasn't broken at all but sent it home with a thread nest in the bobbin case and needle thread sticking up through the bobbin cover, and told me not to use Organ needles...only Janome 'painted tip'...which they had removed (a blue tip) from my 11000 and inserted their Organ needle which is what came back home in my 11000.  The area where I live is a lower economic area with lower pay scale than many other areas here, so items like that tend to be higher in cost...maybe because fewer perhaps are being sold locally...my guess...plus the nearest 'competing' dealer is about 100 miles in any direction at a minimum.

I declined to trade in my 11000 for the 15000...it is more valuable to me here than what I expected a trade-in value to be.  I couldn't recommend any course of action to you because my situation/need is likely not the same as your situation/need, but I absolutely intend to wait to see what Janome introduces before considering whether or not I am interested in the coming new product, especially considering that several machines live here, including a long arm quilter. But, my 'gut feeling' is that I would likely decline the offer you received if it was offered to me this early in the new model release cycle.  Of course, I dislike being the 'bleeding one' on the 'edge' of technology, having worked over 30 years in high tech and I.T.  What's okay as a 'corporate test' isn't necessarily okay in my bank account.

When I first began looking at the 15000, I had not even seen the MSRP for the machine, but even so, I felt that it wasn't a deal I was interested in...partly because of prices I'd been offered for other brands' TOL machines. 

As to liking the 15000, I do like it very much.  I've had some of the same issues that others have had...foot pedal warning (pedal replaced under warranty), needle threader (replaced under warranty with a new style threader), thread jumping out of the take up lever (I thread backwards now), but I do consider it a fine machine, and doubt I would want to trade it in on a new model anyway.  It is very capable, and I am nowhere near pressing all it's buttons in the five years I've been using it. 

I am a "find your product then your price" person, so I took my time on the 11000, and even longer on the 15000.  If you are truly in a hurry, it might be a good deal...couldn't say, but I wasn't in a hurry, so it was my choice to 'throttle back' and choose with logic and thoughtful consideration of all my options.

Good luck.  I'm sure you'll figure it all out.

- Cat


-----Original Message-----
From: Ceil J <cjancola@...>
To: onlinesewing-janome@groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [onlinesewing-janome] Tech support expiration on 15000

Marlyn,
Not sure where you live but I think that price is way too high!  Also, prices for the 15000 should drop after the intro of the new machine but should never be at the MSRP.  I'm in the US and paid either $8000 or $9000 for my 15000  six year ago.  (sorry but memory is on the downslide).  Just my opinion.
Ceil


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Nyssa Lanzafame
 

I am wondering....are you going to end up owing $5k when you trade-in the 12k?  $9000-$40000=$5000.  Or is $9k what you owe-that is steep, you would be able to pay that on special and keep the 12k! (Which is not worth much and why I kept my 11000SE).  Then when you go to buy the new model, is he going to charge you the MSRP price? Because again I find that the special price is UCB lower.   I know my dealer will do the full value with in a year, but takes it off MSRP....which I learned after, it would have cost me the same to keep my machine and buy the new one on special!  Now, if he is selling you the 15000 for $5k+12000, that I would consider, and you would get $9k off new machine if you decide it’s worth it to upgrade....I would think on that


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

juliadlf.ny@...
 

Marlyn: I was in the same position as you a couple of years ago (time files) as I had a 12000 which was a great machine but when the Quiltmaker 15000 came out, I did a lot of research/comparison of features/prices and found I would use many that I did not have on the 12000. I picked a dealer not just for the $$'s but their competence in doing any hiccups that might occur. I've been very happy with my machine and only once had to take it to the dealer to look at the needle threader which was resolved while I waited for it. I love this machine and don't know if I'd ever trade up again. I haven't heard what the new machine release will be but I'm sure someone, somewhere has that info.
Take your time in buying and ask questions.  Good luck.
Julia


Re: Tech support expiration on 15000

Lyn Quine
 

I have both 12000 and 15000, I upgraded my 15 to the quiltmaker, and I love both machines.  When they brought out the M7 I really wanted it, I thought it would make a good addition to my ‘stable’ of machines, but cost was the issue.  Then I saw it, a friend had one, and actually it isn’t dissimilar to my 15 on the sewing side, so I’m not that bothered now.  I am intrigued about this new machine, what can it offer?  I’ve had my 12 for 8 years and my 15 6 years this month, I haven’t yet managed to fully explore everything on the machines so far, so unless this new machine offer something very radical I won’t bother, cost is going to be an issue for me as well, so just as well I love my machines and am happy with them.  I do have a 6600P as well which is a fantastic work horse for any heavy work.

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