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Re: Basting Frames

Pru Joy
 

Cancel that prob Favy, I just had to wait a while & try again, all opening fine now, thanx again!


Floriani Question

Deb Keldrauk
 

I have read back through the posts about this Floriani thread issue and the 15000. 

My 15000 is new and I just purchased a set of 100 spools from my Janome dealer this weekend on a 50% off sale. I have not tried the thread yet but I have heard good things about the thread and the price was good.


Now I am worried - Yes it was on sale but I still paid a hefty price.


Is anyone out there using Floriani successfully? Please tell me that there are plenty of Floriani/15000 users out there otherwise I am going to have to try to return the set.


Thanks,

Deb in CA 


Re: 15000 thread breakage

Janet
 

I am having problems too.    I am working on an Anita Goodesign block using Floriani thread.    Thought my machine was malfunctioning ugggg



Janet


On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, 'cas' cas@... [janome12000] <janome12000@...> wrote:

 

I had a lot of breakage when I used a separate thread stand and had the best results when I put the spool on the horizontal spool holder using the little “extra large spool holder” doo-dad to hold the spool in place.  I had to order the spool holder from the dealer but they were inexpensive, two for around $9 I think.  Here’s a picture of them: http://www.amazon.com/Janome-Special-Spool-Holder-Horizontal/dp/B00V5AB6FW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447093596&sr=8-5&keywords=janome+spool+holder
 
When I have to use my thread stand with large cones I  clip a metal office clip on the base of the horizontal spool holder and run the thread through the handles of it so that it is a more direct path, similar to when it is threaded from the horizontal pin.  Here is a pic of them: http://www.amazon.com/Lovely-Printing-Style-Binder-Clamps/dp/B00L2A5JRG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1447093716&sr=8-3&keywords=metal+office+clips&pebp=1447093755734&perid=16PP6MTQ2GY8M9P2D421
 
I’ve seen many people state they have issues with Floriani thread and the 15000 for some reason.  I bought some but haven’t tried it yet.
Cas
 
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 8:44 PM
Subject: [janome12000] 15000 thread breakage
 
 

For all of you who have the 15,000 I have a question.  I am having a terrible time with thread breaking. I have tried about everything I can think of to fix this issue. My machines do not seem to like floriani thread which I have a ton. I have tried Robison Anton which seems somewhat better.  I have put the thread on a separate holder and guide.  I have purple janome needles in my machine.  I have the embroidery bobbin case in.  I put janome bobbin thread on the bobbin and still have many thread breaks especially when embroidering. I am very frustrated with this machine. I have an appt with my dealer on Tuesday but wanted to see if anyone else has this problem or any help!!  I am ready to toss the machine out the window but it cost too much!!!  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Lynne

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Re: Hooping Tip

Anne Parker
 

Thanks for the info re the frames.  That's exactly what I have in mind.

I had already made a few basting files which I have tested out just by hooping stabalizer and then basting the fabric to that - my first test towel (for the dog!) on tear away with water soluable topper turned out just fine though my first test T-shirt (an old one of my husbands) on cut away had a few puckers, but not too bad.  Pity it ended up at 90 degrees to the way it should have been! :0)

This was a design I digitised myself, so I can understand that I should have made some changes depending on what I was stitching it on, but at least I've made some progress!

Anne
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Re: 15000 thread breakage

maggie cooper
 

First of all, Florianni thread IS good thread, but it needs some extra help to run smoothly and not shred. Back in the late 90s I read a tip about FuFu threads, (a brand I did try but plumped for Madeira poly) FuFu thread is rebranded as Florianiit's a loose twist floss which fluffs out to give good coverage, so to help it run users were told to thread it through a polystyrene bean. Since then RnK distributers have come up with a silicon impregnated stabilizer, it does two things, lubricates the thread so helping to prevent shredding, and provides a useful coating against adhesive spray gumming up needles and thread.


Now I don't own a 15000 or 12000, don't use Floriani threads or stabilisers, but I do use embroiderers silicon spray, Silicone Spray for Embroidery Machines - Safe For Embroidery Thread - AllStitch Embroidery Supplies


 I give the underside of my stabiliser a gentle spritz of the spray, not the thread,  I use 505 quilters adhesive spray and I never get gummed up needles or threads. I don't get thread shredding or breaking, I do change my needle/s frequently, I use a Janome 9900 and a Tajima single head 15 needle industrial embroidery machine. Until I started using embroiderers silicon spray on my stabilisers I did get shredding threads and breaks, since using it, those have all but disappeared. 


I've only found one thread that none of my machines liked, my MC10k v3 would instantly chew it up and spit it back at me, my old 12 needle Toyota industrial machine tangle it up, my old Brother sewing machine would chop it into bits, my  MC 8200 skips stitches and shreds if I use it and my Janome overlocker and my cover pro both refuse to entertain it as does my Tajima industrial. The thread, Janome's own brand. I can use cheapo Indian threads no problems, just have to lower my stitching speed, I use a variety of thread brands but favour Madeira Polyneon and Kingstar poly, both make all my machines purr contentedly. So before you bin the the threads or machine, try a gentle mist of silicon spray on the back of your stabiliser or some of Floriani's silicon impregnated stabiliser, you never know it might be all the thread needs.

Maggie Cooper UK


Re: Basting Frames

Pru Joy
 

Great tips Favy thank you!

However I can't get the two frame basting files to work, just a blank page ...???


Re: Substitute Hat Hoop

Anne Parker
 

The point I was making with my comment re the wooden one was that it was much much cheaper than the Janome one.  I actually have never embroidery on a cap anyway and think I would try just by flattening out the peak and pinning in a normal frame anyway first.  Just couldn't justify the cost of the Janome one as I wouldn't be doing many.

I've watched a few videos - including some on using industrial machines - about how to embroider them, and all, including the industrial ones show the peak being flattened in order to get the front of the cap to lie flat for embroidering.  After embroidering you just reshape the peak and they all look fine.

Anne
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Basting Frames

favymtz
 

The following is a copy of a response I made to a group member who asked me for help with Basting Frames:
The reasons for using Frames is mainly to save on how much stabilizer is needed if you have to hoop stabilizer in our large hoops. 
Also, they're good for things like thick quilt blocks that are too thick to get into a hoop. But they aren't real stable, so don't use this method for designs that have a huge amount of stitches in them /very dense designs.
The Frames are reusable many times, they will start to get old and saggy and you'll need to make new ones eventually. How well they hold up will depend on what you make them out of as well as how much you use them.
I load them into the Built-In part of the machine that way I always have them available to use.

I'm also posting some of the files that I made that have a narrower decorative stitch frame, because I'm always trying to use the largest embroidery field I can, and so mine leave more available space than the ones preciously posted (by Diane.) The ones I'm attaching are for the 12000 and 15000 machines and include a Frame for an 8X8" opening, and also a GR hoop.
Yes, I can explain how to use them, it's very simple really, and I think there might be instructions included with her files. ("her" being Diane Stutsman, wife of Jim who runs the 12000/15000 group.)
This is what you'll do to make the frames:
  • Hoop one of these in the hoop: 2 Layers of Heavyweight Cut Away stabilizer OR Buckram OR some other very firm type of fabric. I've heard some people will even use 2-3 layers of nice muslin/calico fabric but I haven't tried that.
  • The fabric must be at least 1" larger all around than the hoop, just like if it were stabilizer
  • With a permanent pen, draw lines on the fabric to mark the vertical and horizontal center of the hoop (the little marks are on the hoop) (this is helpful later when you actually use the frame to help you get the Frame centered into your hoop.
  • Load the Frame files onto your embroidery machine.
  • Embroider the design. It's a frame made of a decorative zigzag type of stitch, and also a basting stitch which you don't have to use to make the Frame, it's for when you actually are embroidering an item.
  • with sharp scissors cut away the entire center out of the design, DON'T cut the stitches. This leaves you with a Frame.
  • When you want to use the Frame, you just hoop it, pin your article you want to embroider onto it, I like to pin into the frame fabric that extends around the outside of the hoop not in the frame itself
  • Bring up the Frame file and...
  • In edit mode bring in the embroidery design you'll be embroidering
  • Use only the baste part of the Frame file to baste the article onto the frame (the last color)
  • Remember that you still need to put stabilizer in /on the article you're embroidering! You just aren't hooping the stabilizer.
  • Proceed with the embroidery
  • Remember also, that the embroidery design must be SMALLER than the inside opening of the Frame or you'll embroider on the Frame which you don't want to do!



Re: 15000 thread breakage

cas <cas@...>
 

I had a lot of breakage when I used a separate thread stand and had the best results when I put the spool on the horizontal spool holder using the little “extra large spool holder” doo-dad to hold the spool in place.  I had to order the spool holder from the dealer but they were inexpensive, two for around $9 I think.  Here’s a picture of them: http://www.amazon.com/Janome-Special-Spool-Holder-Horizontal/dp/B00V5AB6FW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447093596&sr=8-5&keywords=janome+spool+holder
 
When I have to use my thread stand with large cones I  clip a metal office clip on the base of the horizontal spool holder and run the thread through the handles of it so that it is a more direct path, similar to when it is threaded from the horizontal pin.  Here is a pic of them: http://www.amazon.com/Lovely-Printing-Style-Binder-Clamps/dp/B00L2A5JRG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1447093716&sr=8-3&keywords=metal+office+clips&pebp=1447093755734&perid=16PP6MTQ2GY8M9P2D421
 
I’ve seen many people state they have issues with Floriani thread and the 15000 for some reason.  I bought some but haven’t tried it yet.
Cas
 

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 8:44 PM
Subject: [janome12000] 15000 thread breakage
 
 

For all of you who have the 15,000 I have a question.  I am having a terrible time with thread breaking. I have tried about everything I can think of to fix this issue. My machines do not seem to like floriani thread which I have a ton. I have tried Robison Anton which seems somewhat better.  I have put the thread on a separate holder and guide.  I have purple janome needles in my machine.  I have the embroidery bobbin case in.  I put janome bobbin thread on the bobbin and still have many thread breaks especially when embroidering. I am very frustrated with this machine. I have an appt with my dealer on Tuesday but wanted to see if anyone else has this problem or any help!!  I am ready to toss the machine out the window but it cost too much!!!  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Lynne

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Hooping Tip Video

JoAnn Novak
 

  I am very interested in your way of hooping.
  Do you have photos to show how you accomplish this.
  JoAnn
Life's biggest decision is what you do with Jesus.

 

Yes, the shelf liner works great, the gal in the video was attempting to accomplish the same thing without dealing with strips. I works also to make the same kind of frame she did but using the shelf liner. Even paper towels work!



Re: 15000 thread breakage

Pam O'Kane
 

I have to agree with Florianni not performing as well as some threads.  After a lot of frustration, breakage, and shredding I pulled out my robison Anton poly and it performs without an issue.  I also use a large eye needle.  Results on my 12000 post change are stellar.
Pam



From: janome12000@...
To: janome12000@...
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:35:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [janome12000] 15000 thread breakage

 
I agree Floriani thread is not the best.  I have had horrible experiences with it shredding as well.  I always use my yellow dot bobbin case for embroidering and have a thread guide on the back of my machine.  I also only use Red  Janome needles which are 90/14 and I use them for everything except for a very dense design such as Anita Goodesign collections then I use Microtex 80 which have a really sharp point.  

It is good you have an appt with your dealer bring a sample of some of what you are having issues with he may be able to help.

Virginia


-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Keller lynne.keller51@... [janome12000]
To: janome12000
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 7:01 am
Subject: [janome12000] 15000 thread breakage

 
For all of you who have the 15,000 I have a question.  I am having a terrible time with thread breaking. I have tried about everything I can think of to fix this issue. My machines do not seem to like floriani thread which I have a ton. I have tried Robison Anton which seems somewhat better.  I have put the thread on a separate holder and guide.  I have purple janome needles in my machine.  I have the embroidery bobbin case in.  I put janome bobbin thread on the bobbin and still have many thread breaks especially when embroidering. I am very frustrated with this machine. I have an appt with my dealer on Tuesday but wanted to see if anyone else has this problem or any help!!  I am ready to toss the machine out the window but it cost too much!!!  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks, Lynne

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Re: Hooping Tip Video

favymtz
 

Yes, the shelf liner works great, the gal in the video was attempting to accomplish the same thing without dealing with strips. I works also to make the same kind of frame she did but using the shelf liner. Even paper towels work!


Re: Hooping Tip

favymtz
 

Look in the group files for the folder that has the Frames files. Basically, you make a frame out of a sturdy fabric (I like the old fashioned Buckram or Heavyweight Cut Away) and this is what you hoop so that you can machine baste the fabric/garment you want to embroider onto it. The frame must also have it's own baste file as a step in it. It works great for a lot of different embroidery applications. I've been creating frames for years in my embroidery software to fit my hoops and a variety of different opening sizes. They help save a lot of stabilizer and make it easy to embroider heavy/thick items too. I even created a special frame to make my Hoopsisters Jacobean Journey quilt, and when I taught Cindy Losekamp's Rags to Riches Quilt I made a frame for my students to use for their embroidery. If you want more info you can email me.


Re: 15000 thread breakage

HEATHER COWAN
 

Troubleshooting is a patience game.   Only try one change at a time.  Before you blame the machine try the easy stuff.   I know that thread can be of varying quality and not all expensive thread works well.  If thread is old or dry it can be problematic.  
I would clean my machine bobbin race area (check for burrs, nicks and don't forget to oil the wick and clean the bobbin holder).  Clean and check the thread path.  Put in a new needle making sure it is seated up high enough as it makes a huge difference if it is sitting too low.  Use a regular thread top and bobbin and do straight stitch.  If it is good do a zig zag.  If that is good then the machine is basically okay for sewing.
  Put in embroidery thread and bobbin thread and do a simple design like a quilt design.  If thread breaks ...... Try a different brand of thread with everything else the same.  If thread breaks try one other brand of thread.  If the thread breaks ..... It is not the thread.   I would then visit the dealer and do a stitch out while they watch my process just in case I am doing something wrong.  This also gives them a start point for their troubleshooting.  Do not give up on this great machine.  When it is working well for you... It will be trouble free and you can really enjoy it.
Heather


Re: Stitch Composer on Skyline?

favymtz
 

Hi Jan, I tried to reply to your question directly from the group message in email and apparently you never got it because I didn't hear back from you? Anyway, I'll try to remember what I previously said! 
1. I'm only replying directly to you because what I say I may not want others to see
2. I own a 12000 machine, but because I work(ed) at a Janome dealer I also have the 15000 Stitch Composer on my computer. Because of this I have some information that you might be interested in.
3. The 15000 Stitch Composer is superior by far to the 12000, I suspect highly that the new Skyline's will be the same as the 15000 but can't verify it as I'm not actually in the know on this (without asking the owner of our store which I haven't done.)
4. The Serpentine Stitch you have on your new Skyline probably won't be transferable to your 12000. The reason I say this is because the 15000 stitches and the 12000 stitches can't be shared. There's something different in the stitch formats. BUT,
5. in Stitch Composer there are many stitches (more on the 15000 SC) that can be shared because they're STX files. SO,
6. IF the Serpentine Stitch on your Skyline is also available as an STX in your new Stitch Composer you can use it on your 12000. (I use the one from the 15000 SC on my 12000 machine.)
7. Therefore, if I were you, I'd definitely load the new Stitch Composer on your computer.Actually it's a small program and won't take up much space in your hard drive.
8. I'm interested to know if the new Stitch Composer is more similar to the 15 or the 12 so PLEASE let me know what you discover!
9. Also, there's a fairly nice Serpentine Stitch in our group files that Diane Stutsman made, so you could go ahead and load that onto your machine too.
10. Stitch Composer can make some wonderful stitches, BUT I've discovered that if I want to make them in such a way that I can adjust them very much when sewing them that it takes a lot of tweaking in Stitch Composer's Extra Settings. I experiment a lot! I love it though.
I hope that this helps you, Stay in touch.

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