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Re: 15000 V1 versus V2 - versus Brother

Patricia Ward
 

My comment to this post is:
Brother has a lot of catching up to do to Janome in sewing quality.  Using a machine is more than just embroidery which the Brother co seems to concentrate on.  Their stitch quality is awful with terrible tension.  Personally I prefer good stitch quality rather than gee gaws and useless bells and whistles.

Pat in MD

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:17 AM, sewbad54 <no_reply@...> wrote:


After your comments Jim, out of curiosity I looked at the spec of the new Brother Innov-is XV8500D.

Janome sure have a lot of catching up to do, the new Brother has some very powerful features, the abilitiy to draw on screen and it will turn into a stitch design ,scan a drawing into the machine and again the editing ability  turn into stitches, precise placement plus lots and lots of other features. (but I'm  not a fan of the Disney designs)

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Lets hope if Janome are watching what  Brother are doing we may get some more powerful Editing / Digitizing features on the 15000, instead of having to rely on external software 3 Apps, Horizon link suite ....... the list goes on.

I am sewer and love to create on my machine I don't like spending so much my time on the computer or  iPad to design what I want to sew.


If Janome really want to get at the top,  they also want to keep an eye on what the European manufactures are doing  Bernina in particular.

I like my 15000  ( I except its limitations ) but..... if I had known how software reliant it was before buying I would have purchased the Bernina 880 instead.

So come on Janome more bells and whistles on the 15000.



Sporting neither bell nor whistle, Jim is nevertheless able to say:
Years ago a Janome executive from Japan explained to me the fundamental difference between Janome and Brother. Brother is about quantity, selling huge amounts of every product they make. Janome is about quality. He made it clear that Janome respects sewing as an art, and this is reflected in the products that they make. When the 12000 came out we had the chance to evaluate the top of line Brother model that came out at the same time. Our first problem was finding a place to set it up. We wound up on the dining room table, with the Thanksgiving table leaves in. People complain about how heavy the 15000 is when going to class, but arctic explorers leaving for 6 month expeditions have less baggage than the Brother machines.

The quality issue was the main reason we chose to sell Janome exclusively for 25 years. In talking with dealers who sold all brands, we were surprised to learn that they would open and test every machine from every other brand to make sure it worked. One dealer dropped Bernina after experiencing problems with 2 out of every 3 machines right out of the box. The Brother dealer at the Texas State Fair had to change demo models each of the 3 weeks of the fair, because they got louder and louder with use. The Janome dealer used the same one all 3 weeks without any change in operation.

From the standpoint of technology, putting the burden of a lot of features on the small computer and screen of the sewing machine doesn't make a lot of sense. It seems cool, but it complicates the product. Years ago there was a machine that actually had a version of Windows running in it. At the time it was a marvel, but you could go fix dinner while waiting for it to resize a design, due to the speed of the processor inside the machine. Janome delegates the tasks that require more computational power to a computer (including the iPad), leaving the machine to do what it does best. In my opinion this is the best practice.




AcuDesign Webinar

ceilsews <no_reply@...>
 

Last night Janome did a webinar on the AcuDesign.  I watched it and the app does seem to have a lot of great features but was not impressed with the designs.
They have it at this link in case you missed it. It's about 1 hour 20 minutes.
Ceil
Introduction to AcuDesign Embroidery App

 


Jim says:

We will be doing at least one video on AcuDesign. Existing owners of the "My 15000" app will have it show up automatically in the app when we finish. When time permits I will be adding notifications to the app so we can announce new videos. That said, I really should get back to work!





Re: 15000 V1 versus V2 -Q for Jim

Smith Sarah Ann <sarahannsmith@...>
 

Jim, thanks for the fascinating insights into how Janome (and other companies) develop new machines, and the history of the embroidery machines 8000 to 15000. So here’s a question for you, does the 4-5 year revamp and revise cycle apply to machines like the 7700/8900? To me as an avid outsider, it seems there is the trickle-down effect: technology developed for the top of the line machines works its way down the price chain to the upper-mid-level machines. The 8900 came out two years ago—and its birth may have been accelerated because of the throat plate issues with the 7700 (which personally I think were predominantly user error due to impatience and/or not reading the manuals as I ADORED my 7700 and never had a whit of trouble with it, but agree the throat plate was fussy). I’m wondering when the next iteration of the 7700/8900 might be anticipated…… Cheers, Sarah Check out my DVD: Art Quilt Design: From Photo to Threadwork Author of bestseller ThreadWork Unraveled website and blog: http://www.sarahannsmith.com/weblog e-mail: sarah@...


As an old man wincing at the mention of the phrase "trickling down", Jim says:
Actually I would submit that the 8900 is, in fact, the next iteration of the 7700. We had a 7700 too, and it was Diane's favorite machine until the 12000 arrived. In general Janome non-embroidery models evolve at a slightly slower pace than the top-line models, but major improvements, like 9mm zig zag, get adopted across the board.


Re: 15000 V1 versus V2 - versus Brother

sewbad54 <no_reply@...>
 

After your comments Jim, out of curiosity I looked at the spec of the new Brother Innov-is XV8500D.

Janome sure have a lot of catching up to do, the new Brother has some very powerful features, the abilitiy to draw on screen and it will turn into a stitch design ,scan a drawing into the machine and again the editing ability  turn into stitches, precise placement plus lots and lots of other features. (but I'm  not a fan of the Disney designs)

.

Lets hope if Janome are watching what  Brother are doing we may get some more powerful Editing / Digitizing features on the 15000, instead of having to rely on external software 3 Apps, Horizon link suite ....... the list goes on.

I am sewer and love to create on my machine I don't like spending so much my time on the computer or  iPad to design what I want to sew.


If Janome really want to get at the top,  they also want to keep an eye on what the European manufactures are doing  Bernina in particular.

I like my 15000  ( I except its limitations ) but..... if I had known how software reliant it was before buying I would have purchased the Bernina 880 instead.

So come on Janome more bells and whistles on the 15000.



Sporting neither bell nor whistle, Jim is nevertheless able to say:
Years ago a Janome executive from Japan explained to me the fundamental difference between Janome and Brother. Brother is about quantity, selling huge amounts of every product they make. Janome is about quality. He made it clear that Janome respects sewing as an art, and this is reflected in the products that they make. When the 12000 came out we had the chance to evaluate the top of line Brother model that came out at the same time. Our first problem was finding a place to set it up. We wound up on the dining room table, with the Thanksgiving table leaves in. People complain about how heavy the 15000 is when going to class, but arctic explorers leaving for 6 month expeditions have less baggage than the Brother machines.

The quality issue was the main reason we chose to sell Janome exclusively for 25 years. In talking with dealers who sold all brands, we were surprised to learn that they would open and test every machine from every other brand to make sure it worked. One dealer dropped Bernina after experiencing problems with 2 out of every 3 machines right out of the box. The Brother dealer at the Texas State Fair had to change demo models each of the 3 weeks of the fair, because they got louder and louder with use. The Janome dealer used the same one all 3 weeks without any change in operation.

From the standpoint of technology, putting the burden of a lot of features on the small computer and screen of the sewing machine doesn't make a lot of sense. It seems cool, but it complicates the product. Years ago there was a machine that actually had a version of Windows running in it. At the time it was a marvel, but you could go fix dinner while waiting for it to resize a design, due to the speed of the processor inside the machine. Janome delegates the tasks that require more computational power to a computer (including the iPad), leaving the machine to do what it does best. In my opinion this is the best practice.


V2 at Alexandra Palace?

Anne Parker <annegparker@...>
 

I asked Janome UK about the V2 being at Alexandra Palace and this is the reply I received

We will be taking our MC15000 which we have updated to V.2 to Alexandra Palace,

we will be there for the full five days 8th - 12th  and yes you would be able to place an order but I am not sure yet when the V2.0 are due in stock .

To me this means they won't actually have the new machine, just the v1 updated to v2 - unless I am misreading it.

As I have already had the V1 demonstrated I don't think it will be worth the trip in time and expense to just see the new features on the v1 machine.  I would be able to see that at my local dealers.

Anne
www.sewingtales.wordpress.com

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.  "Desiderata" Max Ehrmann


Re: 15000 update

Judy Jackson <judy.j282@...>
 

So Jim as I have already purchased the acudesign app, would that mean that there is nothing else new in V2?? I understand that if buying a complete new machine that the colours would be different, but nothing else? Sorry for the confusion.....again!  Thank you. Judy 

Sent from my iPad


Once again, Jim says:
That's all, nothing else. Nada. Nil. Nichts. Bupkis. You are now just one update short of a V2 machine.


Re: 15000 V1 versus V2 -

Pam Davison
 

Read last 2 paragraphs in Red below.  He is comparing the new Brother to the Janome.

Sent from Windows Mail

From: mdaniel@... [janome12000]
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎September‎ ‎23‎, ‎2014 ‎4‎:‎37‎ ‎PM
To: mdaniel@... [janome12000]

 

Jim:  Would Janome have actually rolled out another version of the 15K and not have something that would differentiate the two models and not just the color? If there is no difference, why would they have not just updated the V1 since it appears it can be done with the added V2 features? Just wondering if there isn't something more coming......
Got your crystal ball shined up?

Julia
NY-MC12000 

After gazing into the crystal ball, Jim says don't buy a lotto ticket that has more than 12 sevens and this:
Developing a new machine takes a fair bit of time. Before machine embroidery became possible on a home machine with the Janome Memory Craft 8000 it was 4-5 years between new models. Prior to the Memory Craft 10000 the software in Janome machines was permanently built in and unchangeable. Fixing a software bug meant replacing the motherboard of the machine. When the 10000 came out it had the ability to update its software. This was good, since the first couple of versions were buggy and they could fix the machines easily with an update.

About halfway through the life of the 10000 Janome came out with a major revision to the software in the machine. They released a model 10001 with that software and offered existing 10000 owners the chance to update their machine for a modest price. Some unscrupulous dealers actually convinced their 10000 customers to trade their machines in for the 10001 on the grounds it was a "better" machine. In fact these customers traded their machine for one that was identical except for the software. The only advantage they gained was a pre-installed update and new hardware identical to the old hardware.

This process repeated with the 11000, which became the 11000SE. In that case there was a minor hardware update that allowed jump stitch cutting, and there was a fee for that as well as the software. It extended the life of the 11000 perhaps a bit longer than Janome would have liked.

Janome is always trying to keep up with Brother, which is a much larger company with far more employees and profits from dozens of product lines other than sewing machines. They crank out new top of line models nearly every year. By updating software Janome can produce "new" models faster, and they give existing owners the opportunity to refresh. It is my opinion that the 15000 was in development even as the 11000SE was brought to market. It wasn't ready in time to replace the 11000SE, so they brought out a subset of features as the 12000. This had the unfortunate side effect of angering a lot of people who bought the 12000 with the idea that it was going to be "top line" for at least 4 years, not 2.

Now Brother has produced yet another technical marvel to rival the 15000. It has a lot of flashy features, but does not sew as well as the 15000. We've found this to be the case with just about every Brother model. To counter the new model Janome is releasing the 15000 V2. Same insides, different color on the front, and new software.

Sewing machines aren't like cars, which get updated every year with minor differences. Janome's R&D department is always trying to improve their product, and they need time to test and design new features, as well as to tool up the factories to produce them. That's why there is a 4-5 year cycle.





 



Re: Sorry

Marie Calkins
 

You will find it at Janome.com on October 3, 2014 or at your dealer now.


15000 V1 versus V2 -

juliadlf.ny@...
 

Jim:  Would Janome have actually rolled out another version of the 15K and not have something that would differentiate the two models and not just the color? If there is no difference, why would they have not just updated the V1 since it appears it can be done with the added V2 features? Just wondering if there isn't something more coming......
Got your crystal ball shined up?

Julia
NY-MC12000 

After gazing into the crystal ball, Jim says don't buy a lotto ticket that has more than 12 sevens and this:
Developing a new machine takes a fair bit of time. Before machine embroidery became possible on a home machine with the Janome Memory Craft 8000 it was 4-5 years between new models. Prior to the Memory Craft 10000 the software in Janome machines was permanently built in and unchangeable. Fixing a software bug meant replacing the motherboard of the machine. When the 10000 came out it had the ability to update its software. This was good, since the first couple of versions were buggy and they could fix the machines easily with an update.

About halfway through the life of the 10000 Janome came out with a major revision to the software in the machine. They released a model 10001 with that software and offered existing 10000 owners the chance to update their machine for a modest price. Some unscrupulous dealers actually convinced their 10000 customers to trade their machines in for the 10001 on the grounds it was a "better" machine. In fact these customers traded their machine for one that was identical except for the software. The only advantage they gained was a pre-installed update and new hardware identical to the old hardware.

This process repeated with the 11000, which became the 11000SE. In that case there was a minor hardware update that allowed jump stitch cutting, and there was a fee for that as well as the software. It extended the life of the 11000 perhaps a bit longer than Janome would have liked.

Janome is always trying to keep up with Brother, which is a much larger company with far more employees and profits from dozens of product lines other than sewing machines. They crank out new top of line models nearly every year. By updating software Janome can produce "new" models faster, and they give existing owners the opportunity to refresh. It is my opinion that the 15000 was in development even as the 11000SE was brought to market. It wasn't ready in time to replace the 11000SE, so they brought out a subset of features as the 12000. This had the unfortunate side effect of angering a lot of people who bought the 12000 with the idea that it was going to be "top line" for at least 4 years, not 2.

Now Brother has produced yet another technical marvel to rival the 15000. It has a lot of flashy features, but does not sew as well as the 15000. We've found this to be the case with just about every Brother model. To counter the new model Janome is releasing the 15000 V2. Same insides, different color on the front, and new software.

Sewing machines aren't like cars, which get updated every year with minor differences. Janome's R&D department is always trying to improve their product, and they need time to test and design new features, as well as to tool up the factories to produce them. That's why there is a 4-5 year cycle.





 


Sorry

Colleen
 

I know this has been posted a thousand times but where do I find to get the new update v2 .Thanks in advance. CB Sent from my iPad


See message 11137. Also try this search.


Re: Changing machine speed

Kay Davis
 

Thanks, Jim, that fixed it!  I would never have thought it would have an effect on machine speed.  Kay

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:53 PM, jim.stutsman@... [janome12000] <janome12000@...> wrote:
 

Tune off quiet mode in the Set screen.



Re: 15000 update

Judy Jackson <judy.j282@...>
 

Will this update be a free one??..........well one can hope! Judy

Sent from my iPad


We've been told that it will be free. In fact the only cost involved in making a V1 15000 into a V2 would be to purchase the AcuDesign app for $50. It is included with the 15000 V2.


Re: Pillow Photos

vicki chrobak
 

You humble me Martie.  Thank you so much for your very kind comments.  These are my 1st 3 digitized designs & learned more with each one but still  have volumes left to learn, to say the least!!! Now if I can only remember how I did that, as gardening season interrupted the learning curve.
Thank you again,
Vicki Jo

On 9/23/2014 11:22 AM, mjdutro@... [janome12000] wrote:


Vicki Jo, You are a talented artist!!  Your digitizing skills are tremendous.  Wonderful job on the pillows.  I enjoyed looking at them.  Martie in CA


Re: Pillow Photos

mjdutro@...
 

Vicki Jo, You are a talented artist!!  Your digitizing skills are tremendous.  Wonderful job on the pillows.  I enjoyed looking at them.  Martie in CA


Re: 15000 update

gahall92 <no_reply@...>
 

I'm a little confused about the version 2 update everyone is talking about. When I go to the Janome site, the only update I see is v1.10 - is this the same as what you're referring to as version 2? Sorry for my confusion! ~GayleH

Paddling against a sea of confusion, Jim says:
Janome has decided that the Horizon 15000, being just about a year old, is in need of an update. To that end they have re-christened it the Horizon Memory Craft 15000 Version 2. This is something they've done for the past dozen years or so, starting with the Memory Craft 10000 that was morphed into the Memory Craft 10001. It's a way to get a "new" model without actually releasing a new model. In the case of the 15000, the insides and most of the outsides are completely unchanged. Only a bit of color on the case is changed. Internally it gets new software. Next month an update will be released to allow owners of the "old" 15000 to update, getting all the new features. This update will be downloadable and user-installable, and it will likely be clearly labeled as version 2.0.

The confusion comes from the fact that there is currently a version 1.10 available. This wasn't supposed to be released as early as it was, as Janome had hoped to sandbag the RE18 hoop for Christmas. Nobody told the web folks in Tokyo, so the update was put out even before the first RE18 hoop shipped. Version 1.10 exists only to enable the use of that hoop on the 15000. It is not the version 2 that everyone is talking about. If you don't have the RE18 hoop you can simply ignore that update and wait for the version 2 update. It is not necessary to perform all machine updates in succession, only the most recent. Each update is a complete replacement of all software inside the machine.


MC 15000 Owners Manual

Tony Coley
 

Can someone please post the link to download the 15K owners manual? Thanks and please pardon the redundancy.
Tony in still warm Alabama


Puzzled by the echo, Jim says:
Go to the Janome website (www.janome.com) and click the "Machines" tab, then "Embroidery" and finally "MC15000". Click the "Specifications" button at the bottom of the page. You'll find a link to the manual in the top right corner.


Re: Changing machine speed

Jim Stutsman
 

Tune off quiet mode in the Set screen.


Changing machine speed

Kay Davis
 

I was stitching out a design from a USB stick this evening on my new 12000.  I couldn't change the stitching speed.   It was set on 400 spm and I wanted to increase it.  The plus and minus signs in the embroidery setting area for changing the speed were grayed out.  I stopped the machine, selected a built in design to see if that made a difference, but had the same results.  I also tried the slider bar on the front of the machine.  Again, no change in speed.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?  TIA, Kay





Re: 15000 update

Marie Calkins
 

Even the lights updated. The only difference is the Aqua colored decoration just below the screen on the version 1. The color on version 2 is purple.


Re: 15000 update

Brenda Kay
 

Does anyone know if Janome is going to be at the Iowa quilt show next week ? If so I wonder if they will have the 15000 #2 for demo and for sale ???Thanks Much
 
Brenda  W
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: qsnveducator.marie@... [janome12000] <janome12000@...>
To: janome12000
Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [janome12000] Re: 15000 update

 
The new update to the 15000 will bring you to version 2.0. It is available at dealers now with the version 2 machines shipping as I type. The update will be available on the global site on Oct. 3. Some of the new features are:
10 new Decorative Stitches 
A new opening screen
Change of default machine accent lighting color to purple and the addition of
    Graded Coloring and Rainbow to the accent color options
Maximum stitch width limit for Variable Zig Zag
Corner Layout Function for embroidery designs – easily duplicate one
corner design into four with corner placement
Single Color Sewing Mode – Turn multi-color embroidery designs into
Monochrome designs at the touch of a button (eliminate the color stops)
Addition of Lock Mode to Warning Screen – now easily switch from the
warning screen to lock mode in one step (when you forget to lock the     machine to thread the needle, on the warning pop-up screen is a lock button)
Ability to read DST (Tajima) format files

Hope that answers the questions!
Marie

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