Thanks for the suggestions. I think the problem is mostly the denim fabric but I will try all of these suggestions next week when I can get back to it. When I first brought my machine home I stitched out most of the designs and was amazed at the great results with these stitches. But that was with cotton and stabilizer. I even tried it again on that same piece of fabric and can't get the same results. At the time I knew very little about my machine and used nothing special in the way of thread. I think I'll also check to see if I can adjust the tension successfully on other stitches. Maybe it's somehow stuck in the middle. I think I may even try some of the old invisible thread that I have. I guess it's possible that I used that originally but it looks like I just used white bobbin thread. Unfortunately I should have stitched out the stitches with black on top and white in the bobbin but I used all white. Someday I'll try them all again.. Thanks again. Ceil