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Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Steve W
 

Hi Stephen and others - I've done a length search as I've been through
hundreds of negatives to find the strip and lo and behold here's the next
photo on the strip. Do you recognise this area Wilson?

Steve W

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From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Stephen Wright
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 11:40 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

I know it's bucking the trend but how about the Main North Line at Papanui
just south of the Harewood Road crossing? Port Hills in background,
footbridge in distance for access to Waimairi School, St James Park on right
and trees on left belonging to St Paul's Churchyard. Even the hedge at right
is still there. The pole line would have to be right for the '70s, plus a
suitable explanation for the lack of weed spraying, but otherwise to someone
who is familiar with the area it seems to be a pretty convincing fit.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io [mailto:nz-rail-geography@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 1:31 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've
found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a
mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really;
then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no
recollection of taking this photo.



Steve W













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Steve W


Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Peter Burke
 

I would agree with all that you've written, adding that I can't see the
distant signal post. I'd say that it was just behind the photographer. The
train? Could be anything depending on the time that the photo was taken. I
know the area pretty well from being a Traffic Assistant (Relief) at Papanui
when John Turner was SM.

Peter Burke

Ex Add Box

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io [mailto:nz-rail-geography@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Stephen Wright
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 1:40 pm
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

I know it's bucking the trend but how about the Main North Line at Papanui
just south of the Harewood Road crossing? Port Hills in background,
footbridge in distance for access to Waimairi School, St James Park on right
and trees on left belonging to St Paul's Churchyard. Even the hedge at right
is still there. The pole line would have to be right for the '70s, plus a
suitable explanation for the lack of weed spraying, but otherwise to someone
who is familiar with the area it seems to be a pretty convincing fit.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io [mailto:nz-rail-geography@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 1:31 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've
found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a
mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really;
then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no
recollection of taking this photo.



Steve W


Re: Unidentified incline

Peter Ross
 

I was wondering about Mt Somers, Stephen?

Well spotted the wedding ring! Must be a job in CSI somewhere. ;-)

No idea at the moment what Mt Somers was like in the day, but have been there more recently.

Peter

On 22/09/2020 6:33 pm, Stephen Wright wrote:
Can anyone help with an unidentified incline? This photo which was posted recently on NZRG in relation to the Mount Torlesse Collieries operation has been closely scrutinized and has become a mystery. Jim Butler who appears in the photo was in charge of the company's office at Avoca, and John Butler believed that the photo of his father was at the foot of the incline at Broken River.

Problems arose when the photo was compared with others that show the incline used to lift coal from Broken River was double track. In this pic it's a three-rail incline with passing loop, Wilson Lythgoe having spotted a wire rope between centre and left-hand rails. The vegetation is unlike the beech forest at Broken River and what exactly is the white-looking mineral in the mine tub? It's also been noticed that Jim Butler is wearing a wedding ring. He was married in 1933, so the photo is after the time of Mt Torlesse (the mine was abandoned in April 1928) and no earlier than 1933.

Once again, appreciate any help from members of either group.

Stephen





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Unidentified incline

Stephen Wright
 

Can anyone help with an unidentified incline? This photo which was posted recently on NZRG in relation to the Mount Torlesse Collieries operation has been closely scrutinized and has become a mystery. Jim Butler who appears in the photo was in charge of the company's office at Avoca, and John Butler believed that the photo of his father was at the foot of the incline at Broken River.

Problems arose when the photo was compared with others that show the incline used to lift coal from Broken River was double track. In this pic it's a three-rail incline with passing loop, Wilson Lythgoe having spotted a wire rope between centre and left-hand rails. The vegetation is unlike the beech forest at Broken River and what exactly is the white-looking mineral in the mine tub? It's also been noticed that Jim Butler is wearing a wedding ring. He was married in 1933, so the photo is after the time of Mt Torlesse (the mine was abandoned in April 1928) and no earlier than 1933.

Once again, appreciate any help from members of either group.

Stephen


GVR Glenbrook cutting at each end 1971

Steve W
 

Photos attached are of the cutting down from Glenbrook towards Morley Road.
I've come across the Morely Rd side of the cutting so the photo's a little
blurry but we were probably travelling quite quickly in the hand trolley
either with assistance of gravity or being towed by the jigger. The track
bed may look a little rough but not that long before I took the photos in
the early 70s late 60s the pioneers of the GVR had to hack the high gorse in
the cutting down by hand.



Steve W


Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Stephen Wright
 

I know it's bucking the trend but how about the Main North Line at Papanui just south of the Harewood Road crossing? Port Hills in background, footbridge in distance for access to Waimairi School, St James Park on right and trees on left belonging to St Paul's Churchyard. Even the hedge at right is still there. The pole line would have to be right for the '70s, plus a suitable explanation for the lack of weed spraying, but otherwise to someone who is familiar with the area it seems to be a pretty convincing fit.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io [mailto:nz-rail-geography@groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 1:31 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really; then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no recollection of taking this photo.



Steve W


Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Terry Hodges
 

I would guess that it is a South Island branchline, based on close inspection that the approaching train has a Dj on the head

On 22/09/2020, at 11:51, Tony Hurst <t.hurst@...> wrote:

Methven Branch?

Tony Hurst

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 01:31
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really; then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no recollection of taking this photo.



Steve W






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Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Tony Hurst
 

Methven Branch?

Tony Hurst

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 01:31
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really; then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no recollection of taking this photo.



Steve W






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Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Cran Julian
 

Wairarapa line - between Carterton and Clareville say!

~Cran

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 1:31 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: [nz-rail-geography] Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really; then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no recollection of taking this photo.

Steve W


Re: Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Malvern
 

Glen Afton Branch


Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Steve W
 

Thanks Ross

Steve W

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of R.H. MIDDLETON via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 6:14 PM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Hi Steve,

In the months prior to the incline closing, they often ran Wellington to Summit where passengers transferred to/from the Wairarapa cars. I believe there was a shortage of the later at the time.

Ross








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Steve W


Tuesday Mystery - a distant train

Steve W
 

Greetings all - in the process of scanning old 70's negatives that I've
found tucked away. I found this one which I thought at first was a
mothballed line judging by the state, but no such thing back then really;
then I noticed a distant train so I'm hoping you can solve it for me please?
I have no further clues to offer sorry. an intriguing photo. I have no
recollection of taking this photo.



Steve W


Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

R.H. MIDDLETON
 

Hi Steve,

In the months prior to the incline closing, they often ran Wellington to Summit where passengers transferred to/from the Wairarapa cars. I believe there was a shortage of the later at the time.

Ross


former Napier Travel Centre Railway Station building windows become target practice for vandals ... ("Hawke's Bay Today"):

Cran Julian
 


Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Steve W
 

Glad someone solved the mystery, as I was just about to start researching the Wairarapa Line when more details were given. Did these railcars run on the Wairarapa line? (I had thought at the time that it was a more contemporary photo). I can recall seeing a some of these railcars being stored at the Hutt Shops in late '71 but could only get partial photos through the fence

Steve W

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From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Parsons
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 7:35 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Terry has won today's prize with Paraparaumu.

Full image, the next image and current(-ish) comparisons are attached.

David p

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Hodges
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Paraparaumu
On 21/09/2020, at 09:19, Stewart Hall via groups.io
<ab1kiwi=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

Paekakariki - Levin?


Stewart


On 20/09/2020, at 3:16 PM, David Parsons <tawaparsons@...> wrote:

Not Lepperton Anthony

When the right answer comes I will include the next slide in the
sequence and find a modern day equivalent for a then and now
comparison - today the scene is barely recognisable.

DP

On 21 September 2020 at 09:08 Anthony Hinton
<@Kiwipom mailto:@Kiwipom > wrote:

Lepperton.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 22:57 David Parsons, <tawaparsons@...
mailto:tawaparsons@... > wrote:
That sounds like a lot of keen research Malvern, but there was
obviously
somewhere else with a similar number of insulators.


To confirm, this is a vintage pic when RM 30 was still in active
service
between the capital of Taranaki and the actual capital.


David P


On 21 September 2020 at 08:42 Malvern
<shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@... > wrote:
The only station I can find with that number of insulators on
the
poles is Ohakune.






















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Steve W


Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

David Parsons
 

Terry has won today's prize with Paraparaumu.

Full image, the next image and current(-ish) comparisons are attached.

David p

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Hodges
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Monday mystery - helping maintain the
group's standards

Paraparaumu
On 21/09/2020, at 09:19, Stewart Hall via groups.io
<ab1kiwi=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

Paekakariki - Levin?


Stewart


On 20/09/2020, at 3:16 PM, David Parsons <tawaparsons@...> wrote:

Not Lepperton Anthony

When the right answer comes I will include the next slide in the sequence
and find a modern day equivalent for a then and now comparison - today
the scene is barely recognisable.

DP

On 21 September 2020 at 09:08 Anthony Hinton <@Kiwipom
mailto:@Kiwipom > wrote:

Lepperton.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 22:57 David Parsons, <tawaparsons@...
mailto:tawaparsons@... > wrote:
That sounds like a lot of keen research Malvern, but there was
obviously
somewhere else with a similar number of insulators.


To confirm, this is a vintage pic when RM 30 was still in active
service
between the capital of Taranaki and the actual capital.


David P


On 21 September 2020 at 08:42 Malvern <shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@... > wrote:
The only station I can find with that number of insulators on the
poles is Ohakune.













Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Allan Neilson
 

Palmerston North

-----Original Message-----
From: nz-rail-geography@groups.io <nz-rail-geography@groups.io> On Behalf Of Anthony Hinton
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 9:09 am
To: nz-rail-geography@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nz-rail-geography] Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Lepperton.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 22:57 David Parsons, <tawaparsons@...> wrote:

That sounds like a lot of keen research Malvern, but there was
obviously somewhere else with a similar number of insulators.

To confirm, this is a vintage pic when RM 30 was still in active
service between the capital of Taranaki and the actual capital.

David P

On 21 September 2020 at 08:42 Malvern <shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@... > wrote:


The only station I can find with that number of insulators on
the
poles is Ohakune.








Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Terry Hodges
 

Paraparaumu

On 21/09/2020, at 09:19, Stewart Hall via groups.io <ab1kiwi=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

Paekakariki - Levin?


Stewart


On 20/09/2020, at 3:16 PM, David Parsons <tawaparsons@...> wrote:

Not Lepperton Anthony

When the right answer comes I will include the next slide in the sequence and find a modern day equivalent for a then and now comparison - today the scene is barely recognisable.

DP

On 21 September 2020 at 09:08 Anthony Hinton <@Kiwipom mailto:@Kiwipom > wrote:

Lepperton.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 22:57 David Parsons, <tawaparsons@... mailto:tawaparsons@... > wrote:
That sounds like a lot of keen research Malvern, but there was obviously
somewhere else with a similar number of insulators.


To confirm, this is a vintage pic when RM 30 was still in active service
between the capital of Taranaki and the actual capital.


David P


On 21 September 2020 at 08:42 Malvern <shoemark.mgl@... mailto:shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@... mailto:shoemark.mgl@... > wrote:
The only station I can find with that number of insulators on the
poles is Ohakune.













Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

Stewart Hall
 

Paekakariki - Levin?


Stewart

On 20/09/2020, at 3:16 PM, David Parsons <tawaparsons@...> wrote:

Not Lepperton Anthony

When the right answer comes I will include the next slide in the sequence and find a modern day equivalent for a then and now comparison - today the scene is barely recognisable.

DP

On 21 September 2020 at 09:08 Anthony Hinton <@Kiwipom mailto:@Kiwipom > wrote:


Lepperton.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 22:57 David Parsons, <tawaparsons@... mailto:tawaparsons@... > wrote:

That sounds like a lot of keen research Malvern, but there was obviously
somewhere else with a similar number of insulators.


To confirm, this is a vintage pic when RM 30 was still in active service
between the capital of Taranaki and the actual capital.


David P


On 21 September 2020 at 08:42 Malvern <shoemark.mgl@... mailto:shoemark.mgl@...
mailto:shoemark.mgl@... mailto:shoemark.mgl@... > wrote:
The only station I can find with that number of insulators on the
poles is Ohakune.









Re: Monday mystery - helping maintain the group's standards

David Parsons
 

Not Lepperton Anthony

When the right answer comes I will include the next slide in the sequence and find a modern day equivalent for a then and now comparison - today the scene is barely recognisable.

DP

On 21 September 2020 at 09:08 Anthony Hinton <@Kiwipom mailto:@Kiwipom > wrote:


Lepperton.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 22:57 David Parsons, <tawaparsons@... mailto:tawaparsons@... > wrote:

> > That sounds like a lot of keen research Malvern, but there was obviously
somewhere else with a similar number of insulators.

>
> > To confirm, this is a vintage pic when RM 30 was still in active service
between the capital of Taranaki and the actual capital.

>
> > David P

>
> >
> > > On 21 September 2020 at 08:42 Malvern <shoemark.mgl@... mailto:shoemark.mgl@...

> > mailto:shoemark.mgl@... mailto:shoemark.mgl@... > wrote:
>
>

> > > The only station I can find with that number of insulators on the

> > poles is Ohakune.
>
>
>
>

> >
> >
> >
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