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Re: Ways to clean and dry your sail: continuation of: Packing up in the rain

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Tuu wrote:
One last silly question: When do you put the sail back into their bag? Are the sail bags as prone to mold?
It is not a silly question at all.
I bought several used sails in the past from other windsurfers that were with mold (both sails and the bags) . I treated those bags in bleach to kill the mold. They obviously lighten up the color.
That is the reason why I keep the sail bags dry all the time. I use two long "under bed type" plastic containers in my car for wet sails, booms and masts. 

After the sail is air dried outside till the afternoon next day, I roll it and stand it for day or two in my basement (or call it recreational room) to remove any remaining moisture, then I put it in the bag.
People who sail in salty water do not need to do it as salt protects from mold.
If you have a garage, you can also hang the sail on two racks, the way I do it outside. Or even use 2 old mast pieces and suspend them from the ceiling. Then you can feed the sail over these pierces and you will have the same effect (no part touching each other)
I guess there are unlimited ways to dry the sails. 

I think Don L mentioned that some manufacturer sails and bags maybe more prone to mold then others.

I just have that philosophy: "If you take a good care of your gear, your gear will take a good care of you on the water and bonus: will last longer".


Re: Ways to clean and dry your sail: continuation of: Packing up in the rain

Tuu
 

Thanks Marek. I’m dreading the mud! But I feel ready for it with the basics at least after all the great tips. 

One last silly question: When do you put the sail back into their bag? Are the sail bags as prone to mold? I’m thinking of doing the lake rinsing, rolling it up, and, then inserting the sail in a large plastic trash bag for transport. At home I would dry it (I’ll try the bucket idea) and would wait to put the sail back into its bag once dried. Or are the sail bags helpful for transport? 


Nice Wind at Paterson...

Rick Martin
 

...but it stops there.

Well, you don't know unless you go out and try it.

I used to sail formula at Paterson if I didn't want to drive further down to Roosevelt.  It was great.

However, there is a HUGE difference between a 70 cm formula fin and a 105 cm "fin" with a big airplane attached on the bottom.

What I found out is that Paterson has 3/4 mile of 8' deep level  flat that is weed hell, all the way out to the green navigation marker.  Wow.

I rigged 5.7/SR140/SAB950 and got some rides but it was mostly de-weeding.  Really boring and tiring.

OK, scratch that one off the list for foiling.  Now we know.

Rick




Ways to clean and dry your sail: continuation of: Packing up in the rain

 

Editorial Note: I am reposting as there was some issue with the post.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:15 PM, Marek Skoczylas wrote:
Couple of quick and hopefully brief tips from my arsenal:
1. In Summer when the grass is green and clean - I roll my sails on it - no extra precautions
2. In Fall, Winter & Spring when most rigging area are a mud pit - I derig, roll the sail loosely then toss it to the lake at waist deep and unroll and roll it again - this way I am having a clean sail - this way mono-film is not being scraped by dirt, sand etc - in particular risk when you roll it tight
3. In the  car I am having a long plastic containers on one side of the car - like people use for storage under their beds - water from sail boom mast only drips into them - car is not exposed to dripping water, I use smaller plastic containers for the rest of the wet gear,
4. At home - I attached a long poles to a taller rack and a sorter rack, Those racks are secured to the house western wall with ropes (no wind will knock them down) - I dry the sail under roof overhang until midday next day - sail is hanging on those two horizontal poles - this way it is dry by noon while never exposed to direct sunlight - you can also use your northern wall then no issue with direct sunlight or dry sails in the garage using some racks
5. Wetsuit, boots, etc go into washing machine after every session, boots are dried with a small fan in the garage overnight while wetsuits after they stop dripping are hang on a rack over floor air vent - drying inside and outside - I have 2 tubes inserted in the leg sleeves therefore there is extra flow inside the wetsuit
Yesterday was a "change of the seasons". Marsh Park grass is no longer "green and clean". They aerated it poking holes in the grass and leaving the plugs on top + rain = dirty sail.
Therefore I am back to tossing my sails into the lake and cleaning / rinsing them that way after derigging.

When it comes to coming back home to dry the sail, use your creativity or ingenuity.

Here is a "visual" how I dry my sails (as per previous description):



As you can see long PVC pipes or long wooden poles do the job, some can be used telescopic like my front one (to accommodate variety of sail sizes).

You may wonder: "Would it still work when it is raining ?"
Sail is under roof overhang BUT even if it is raining with the wind from the side, "there ia an app for that" :)



Tarp may be wet but the sail is drying under it anyway just by sufficient airflow from sides.
All secured with ropes to the house.

Any solution does not have to be "beautiful", it just needs to be "functional" and "practical". 
 


10/12/21 Tue Lk WA - Report out of Marsh Park - Another Great Day TOW

 

Gear: Gaastra Nitro 2 9.8m, SB Go 180L, M1000/115++/255(-2) -0.5 shim.

Another great day.
Jonathan R launched from Maggie on his moded board and with 6+m SW Retro and we were riding closer to Maggie first.
Then, I decided to go closer to 520 Bridge where as usual was more wind and flatter water.
40 miles in 5h25min - not as good as on the 10/6/21 but still plenty of fun.
Max speed 17.8mph, Ave speed 7.4mph Ave moving speed 7.6mph. 
The wind was up and down, gusty. 
So as of today 1811 miles windsurfing and windfoiling on Lk WA this year. 189 miles to go to reach the target.
BTW 520 sensor is down. Other reported winds gusting only up to 12-13 mph. I am sure I had more wind than all surrounding sensors show.
You can see the "sweet spot" on the map with higher speeds and where I was riding most near 520 Bridge:.



 


Re: Wanted: RDM Wave mast #wanted

Mark Dix
 

Hi David,
The catamaran is a Tornado, as shown in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cEgelBpKU&t=71s
New rig (sport) Tornados use a gennaker (asymmetrical spinnaker) that requires a gennaker pole (bowsprit).  I sometimes anchor my Tornado, and my anchor line runs thru a block that hangs from the forward end of the pole.  The boat weathervanes nicely at anchor when the anchor line runs thru a point so far forward of the hulls.  However, I anchored in high winds and waves once, and the heaving of the boat caused the original gennaker pole to bend down too far, and break.  Anchoring loads in big waves are much higher and in a direction where the pole is not well supported by the rigging of the boat.  I wanted to try a pole made from an RDM wave mast which is much stronger and more durable compared to the original pole, which was made from a crappy old windsurf mast that the previous owner of the boat installed.  It was fine for normal sailing, but not good enough for anchoring.  I'll need to add hardware to the pole to make the connection to the main beam, and standing and running rigging of the boat.  As Eric commented, catamarans (particularly the Tornado), are real high performance machines.  However, they are much, much bigger, more complicated, and more time consuming to rig and launch, compared to a simple windsurfer.  Hence, I don't get to use my boat as nearly as often as I'd like to.  This morning I SUP paddled past the sailboat docks of the UW in Seattle.  It was sad to see a variety of neglected old beach cats that were probably donated to the U by people who weren't using them.  They still aren't being used, and most were half sunk.  ;-(
Mark


Re: Fw: In search of a fin - maybe deep tuttle?

Keith Lauritzen
 

Thanks Giovanni!  

Doe anyone have an extra power box fin they would want to sell to get a beginner started?

Cheers!
Keith

On Monday, October 11, 2021, 06:38:02 AM PDT, Giovanni USA-6 <giuantramontana@...> wrote:


One bolt hole = Your friend is looking for a Powerbox fin.

Tuttle, Deep Tuttle and old Tiga boxes have two holes for bolts.



On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:28 AM Keith Lauritzen via groups.io <lauritke=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good morning!

A friend looking to get into windsurfing just bought a used board that needs a fin.  

Does anyone know what type of fin is needed for the fin box in the attached pictures?  Maybe a deep tuttle?

Also, does anyone have a fin that will fit that they are looking to sell?  He'll probably get up to a 6.5M sale or so.

Thanks!
Keith


Re: Seattle Swap Meet, Clinic & N Lake Criss-Cross!

dprsas@...
 

Hi Glenn,
I was thinking to keep the Seattle swap meet away from the popular times of the gorge swap meets. So if it was early September then it would be close to the swap meet in the gorge, perhaps that doesn't matter. Parking will be a little more challenging at the swim beach by late morning in September. However, we could definitely try early to September next year...the amount of gear there was relatively small compared to the spring swap meet - so perhaps a once a year even might be worth considering also.
I think the windsurfing clinics could be something I/we could tailor to individuals/groups separately throughout the summer or autumn (on the better days).

My thought on the winduro is perhaps an option that is less hardcore (does not have an island to circumnavigate/block wind/bridges to avoid might be great for the more risk averse or not as supremely fit windsurfers in the area to enjoy. Possible the course used this weekend?

Darren 


Looking for Tiga Swift 325 Fin and Daggerboard

Daniel Oliver
 

Hi everyone,

I know this is a long shot but here I go.

Does anybody out there have a fin and/or daggerboard that would work on my old tiga swift 325? Something from a similar board may work as well.

I haven’t been able to sail it because both the fin and daggerboard are broken.

Please let me know and thanks,
Daniel


Re: Fw: In search of a fin - maybe deep tuttle?

Giovanni USA-6
 

One bolt hole = Your friend is looking for a Powerbox fin.

Tuttle, Deep Tuttle and old Tiga boxes have two holes for bolts.



On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:28 AM Keith Lauritzen via groups.io <lauritke=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good morning!

A friend looking to get into windsurfing just bought a used board that needs a fin.  

Does anyone know what type of fin is needed for the fin box in the attached pictures?  Maybe a deep tuttle?

Also, does anyone have a fin that will fit that they are looking to sell?  He'll probably get up to a 6.5M sale or so.

Thanks!
Keith


Fw: In search of a fin - maybe deep tuttle?

Keith Lauritzen
 

Good morning!

A friend looking to get into windsurfing just bought a used board that needs a fin.  

Does anyone know what type of fin is needed for the fin box in the attached pictures?  Maybe a deep tuttle?

Also, does anyone have a fin that will fit that they are looking to sell?  He'll probably get up to a 6.5M sale or so.

Thanks!
Keith


Re: Finally rigged the 9.5 Lion semi properly

Fletch Kurita
 

I am not using an Ezzy mast and the boom is too long. The sail says 239-247 and the boom is 250-something so they are not the right sizes. I might shorten it up but that would involve cutting carbon and I am going to do that once I know the ins and outs of the rigging a little better. For now I will check out that vid for sure! Thanks. 


Re: Seattle Swap Meet, Clinic & N Lake Criss-Cross!

Glenn Reichenbach
 

Thanks to Darren and Greg and Alan for planning this event.  Great idea and it turned out to be a great beach for launching into the strong wind in the afternoon.  I would have preferred less or no rain but derigging in wet conditions builds character and only makes us stronger.  This beach should become our preferred winter spot for windsurf foiling.  The kiters and wingers can just stay over at the beach south of the boat launch and this could be our place to get away from them.

That said I would like to warn anyone with a foil that there is a post or rock or something about 2 feet below the surface roughly between the spot we were launching near the bushes towards the floating platform at the swim beach.  I kicked it with my foot when I was swimming back in with my gear (foil up) back to the beach.  So if you launch there be careful to swim out a few strokes to the east or SE to get away from the shore to deeper water and then flip your foil down and do not drift too far downwind (with south wind) back towards the swim beach and floating platform.  When I go back to this beach again I will try to remember to bring a rope and a cement block anchor and a floating gallon size jug to mark the hazard so that in the future it will be easier to remember where the hazard is.

Some of us were thinking that Saturday had a good forecast for a possible Winduro.  There was good southerly wind late morning and most of the afternoon.  I would propose that in future years we do not plan any events that might interfere with a possible Winduro weekend day in the month of October.  September would potentially be a better month to do this swap meet/clinic event next year.  September typically has warmer temperatures and dryer weather and less wind that would be less likely to interfere with the clinic.

--Glenn R.


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...>
To: nw-windtalk@groups.io <nw-windtalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2021 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Seattle Swap Meet, Clinic & N Lake Criss-Cross!

It was a great & successful Saturday at the Magnuson Swim Beach Launch. 

A Swap Meet, or Clinic, or Race... needs some space for the participants to focus (a little:) And we had that, in a perfect setting!
The forecast was also mostly accurate. Dry, cloudy weather for most the day, gave us lots of dry grass to check out gear, rig sails, & visit. It did start raining, mid - late afternoon, which was also forecast. But most folks were gone or packed up by then.

The wind forecast was also right-on, today. Very light, early morning - building S-ish wind through the morning - planeable by noon - windy, rest the day. That afternoon wind speed was the only part of the forecast that was a bit off. However it was off in a positive direction, so can't really complain :)
Darren asked if it was really gusty all afternoon. And I'd say "no". It built gradually & then stayed in the 20-25 range, I think. But lots of our group was off the water, for most of that!

I didn't make the early morning Swap Meet part (arriving at 11) but I heard there was a decent crowd - with good visiting happening... & some great buying & selling!

Darren was there & ready to offer some clinic tips he picked up in the summer, re: board & sail handling exercises.
"Thank you Darren!"
But the wind was building & blowing by 11... and people were rigging & anxious to get out there. So the clinic didn't really happen. 
(For wind starved Seattle-ites, the best clinics happen when there's almost no wind :)

A lot of people were out sailing by noon, planing & flying in 10-16 mph wind. Alan & I had decided, a 12:30 start time looked good for the 'North Lake Criss-Cross' fun race event". We tried to convey that to as many as possible, but with people out sailing all over, we couldn't do a complete job.

I started the NLCC at 12:33 with Windsurfer LT & 9.8m Aerotech 4 cam race sail.
I probably had 'that 10-16 wind' most of the way from the start, downwind to Denny Park, & halfway back. But I could tell it was gradually building. (Note - it was already windier... upwind at the Boat Launch.)
Anyway half way back upwind to the finish, it built to 15-20 mph wind.
Then... there was a gust over 20 before I got back, which back-winded the 9.8 & slammed me down into the water. But then it dropped back just below 20, I waterstarted & got back to the finish line.
1 hr 5 min was my round trip time, measured from a spot near the buoy & swim raft.

At the finish, I wasn't actually cold or tired yet... & I wanted to test the W LT in the stronger wind. It was definitely in the 15-25 mph range I thought. So I did a few beam reaches BAF back and forth to Kirkland & I had lots of 18-22 mph cruising!
But in the 25mph gusts, I was still getting back-winded & body slammed into the lake.
Waterstarting & being over-powered with the 9.8 wore me out & I was happy to land back at the swim beach.
Alan was flying in my area with a 4.7 during this time. And Jonathan was flying with a 3.7 then too, but he was more upwind by the boat launch.

It was a very fun time, with lots of people throughout the day & gear moved from one garage to another... & a new race course tried-out!

Thanks for all the participation on such short notice!
Greg :)



-------- Original message --------
From: Alexis <alexis.drouot@...>
Date: 10/8/21 7:26 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: nw-windtalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Seattle Swap Meet, Clinic & N Lake Criss-Cross!

That seems very fun! Thanks guys for organizing this. I'll be part of the race :)

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 6:56 PM Alan Allegret <alanallegret@...> wrote:
If it helps at all, and to illustrate what we have in mind, you can find attached the Gold fleet route (in red) and the Silver fleet route (in white).
Of course those assume the wind is a straight Southerly. But like Greg said, your exact route will greatly depend on: specific wind direction, gear used, wind speed, & skill... But you know, it gives an idea!

Looking forward to tomorrow!

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 3:25 PM Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...> wrote:
A brand-new fun-race event... that Alan & I kinda dreamed up:)
The first annual - North Lake Criss-Cross !!!
Launch from Magnuson Park with a S-ish wind and Criss-Cross your way, from shore to shore at specific spots, downwind, jibing all the way to OO Denny Park.
Then from Denny Park, upwind, sailors' choice, tack wherever you want, finish back at Magnuson Park!

Several forecasts suggest tomorrow afternoon the N lake area will have 10-20 mph S-ish wind. But don't go by me, make your own predictions. 

Specific info & details -
This event will be 'kind of a race deal'... meaning we'll all start at about the same time - from the 'slight & subtle point' that sticks out from Magnuson Park, between the Swim Beach & the Boat Launch (very close to where the swap meet & clinic are tomorrow). (Visible in the pic)
We will sail a broad reach across the lake, to the Waverly Park Pier - try to make your jibe within approx 30-60 meters from the pier (there isn't a buoy). (Visible in the pic)
Then sail back across the lake to the Sail Sand Point area & jibe around a fixed buoy that is out off the SSP pier (it's quite a way from the beach & not much wind shadow). (Visible in the pic)
Then sail broad reaches or downwind (whatever) all the way back across the lake again... and jibe around the fixed shore marker buoy that's off the south shore of Denny Park. (Almost visible in the pic)
After jibing around that buoy at the south end of Denny Park, we will sail upwind doing close reaches & tacks wherever you want... working your way back upwind to where we started near the Magnuson Swim beach!
*PLEASE see the 3 pics I'm including with the exact spots to jibe*

Please keep track of your time & report that back to me or post it to NW-windtalk. 
It would also be fun to compare GPS tracks - so if you're the type to carry a cell ph in a water-proof bag & have Strava on your ph... then, we can all see each other's exact route!

THIS is kind of freestyle fun, meaning the exact route you take from 'spot to spot' is up to you & will depend on the exact wind direction. Will it be a SE or S or SW wind? One thing is likely, it'll probably shift around some through the afternoon. So pay attention and use your judgement & experience. You do have to get to each specific jibe location, going downwind between Magnuson & Denny! 
But going upwind, it's your choice of routes - what's most efficient for you, to get back upwind, from Denny to Magnuson?

Gear & equipment. If we really do have S-ish wind from 10-20 mph all afternoon, then almost any windsurf board will work, from longboards to big shortboards, from windfoil boards to FW formula windsurfboards. This will also be great for kites & Wing-foilers!

This course is WAY easier than the Winduro - cause there will be more pure reaching... & no bridges to go under... & no huge wind shadow like Mercer Island (only a small subtle wind shadow, with S-ish wind near the SSP area). But 90% of this course is all wide-open lake sailing... no currents like the Gorge or Puget Sound... and there will be a few boats for sure, but WAY less than June - August !!!

Everyone should (must) wear a PFD life jacket. And ALWAYS stay with your board if anything bad happens. You're on your own, be smart & take care of yourself. Don't come crying to me if your mast breaks in the middle of the lake... and I won't come crying to you when my mast breaks (been there done that:)

Gold Fleet - should be more experienced sailors, who have good skills sailing in the Lake in wind up to 20 (or whatever it is when you're out there). And they should have the fitness and gear to make it through this long course (again, it's much shorter & way easier than the Winduro). 
There's no pressure, you're in-charge of you. Turn around & sail back upwind to the swim beach anytime you want, if you don't have complete confidence in your ability to continue!

Silver Fleet - should be less experienced sailors, or people who just want to 'try this out' without attempting the whole thing. If you're in Silver Fleet, you can launch with Gold Fleet & just sail part way out in the lake & back. Or you can try to make it to Waverly & then straight back to Magnuson. Or you could keep going from Waverly to SSP, but then forget the long leg to Denny & sail back to the Swim Beach from SSP.
ALL of these Silver Fleet options are very worthy and cool:)
It's important to keep track of where you are... keep watching upwind to see what's coming at you (is it getting windier or lighter?). Don't get too tired, you need plenty of endurance to sail back upwind to the Magnuson swim beach!

The 'North Lake Criss-Cross race event' is starting after the swap meet & clinic... likely sometime between 12 & 1:00.
Greg:)

PS - Any questions or comments... I'll try to get to them later!



From: nw-windtalk@groups.io <nw-windtalk@groups.io> on behalf of Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...>
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:43 PM
To: nw-windtalk@groups.io <nw-windtalk@groups.io>
Subject: [nw-windtalk] Seattle Swap Meet, Clinic & N Lake Criss-Cross!
 
Tomorrow, Saturday Oct 8 - 
Magnuson Park, big grassy area between the Swim Beach at the access road (which is where you'll be parking).

Swap Meet on, the big gras area, between 8-ish or 9-ish for a few hours... depending on seller & buyer activity.
Lots of flat-ish... grassy... area to lay out your gear - rig sails, examine boards (with no damage to either).

Clinic from Darren approx 11-ish - He's already a VERY experienced shortboard sailor, freestyler, high & low wind tricks... and he's done some racing... But now he's also attended last summer's Gorge ABK Camp with Andy Brandt... so he has fresh new techniques and drills to share... which will help your sail & board handling. Great info for experts to novices:)

North Lake Criss-Cross Event - starting approx between 12 & 1.
More about this shortly !!!

Greg:)

PS - Bring lots of clothes... water... food. And I "think" the bathrooms are open there, but I don't know for sure. 

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Re: Finally rigged the 9.5 Lion semi properly

Wilson
 

Nice sail! don't forget to check Ezzy website. I has very good info for rigging their sails. Remember that most new sailors don't put enough downhaul.

Two things: 1) the boom seems to be set too long. when the boom is too long, the clew  can move in and out independently from the boom and you don't want that. You are using adjustable outhaul so you want to leave enough room to be able to set max outhaul and nothing more.
2) you can see in the second to last pic a little plastic tab touching the mast. that is what ezzy sails use to properly trim the sail (instead of the cog, dot, etc, that most brands put on the second panel and you let the leech loose up to that reference). In the ezzy sails, I believe that tab should be touching the bottom of the mast. I think you can also move the tab (it's attached via velcro) so you can always set your sail to your liking. If you are not using an Ezzy mast, you might need to move that tab.

again, check the ezzy website and also contact ezzy if you have questions (I always hear they have a very good customer service). 

Found the rigging video for the 2017 lion: 

https://vimeo.com/showcase/2647683


Finally rigged the 9.5 Lion semi properly

Fletch Kurita
 

I had quite an adventure on Saturday after leaving the swap meet. I had left with a 250 carbon boom and was itching to rig up the 9.5 but it was way too windy when I got to Waverly. I ran into Brian while he was rigging up and asked him how to use the adjustable outhaul on the fly. He gave me some pointers then I decided to rig up even with the speed of the wind. I had never rigged a cammed sail or the adjustable outhaul so that was all new to me. So to no one's surprise the cams would not flip. I, of course, found that out in the middle of the lake. On a separate note the power from the 9.5 was nothing short of exhilarating. It felt like I was wrestling a mountain and losing. After one out and back I decided to call it quits and practice rigging another day. 
Fast forward to today at OO I pulled out the cams and...........RDM cam (naturally I have SDM mast). Gee I wonder why they wouldn't flip? Anyway, after feeling like an idiot and rigging the 9.5 "properly" everything felt amazing. There was absolutely no real wind today but that's what I wanted. I still have some adjusting to do but I am confident I am ready to let her rip. 


Infinity 99

Mike
 

Anyone got one they want to sell?


Re: Wanted: RDM Wave mast #wanted

David Seidman
 

Fellow cat sailer here. How do you plan to attach the sail and boat to the mast?


On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 12:08 PM Eric Eckstein <ericeckstein@...> wrote:
No worries, sounds like a fun project you have.  I'd have a cat if only I had a place to keep it, they're the F1 cars of the sailing world eh?


Re: Wanted: RDM Wave mast #wanted

Eric Eckstein
 

No worries, sounds like a fun project you have.  I'd have a cat if only I had a place to keep it, they're the F1 cars of the sailing world eh?


Re: Saturday wind

Eric Eckstein
 

I ended up aborting Coulon and trying out OO Denny instead with Dan and John.  We had a riot out there, it was really fun.  The wind seemed pretty steady around 10mph until the rain started coming in, then on-off gusty before shutting down by 5:30.  Great for a bunch of foiling students like us to get lots of flight time in.


Re: Seattle Swap Meet, Clinic & N Lake Criss-Cross!

dprsas@...
 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 10:45 PM, Greg Mejlaender wrote:
g & blowing by 11... and people were rigging & anxious to get out there. So the clinic didn't really happen. 
(For wind starved Seattle-ites, the best cli
Well-done Greg and Alan for organizing a great event!

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