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hauling to the Gorge

Mike
 

I am looking for someone that has a truck or van that could take a riding lawnmower to Sheppards in Hood River from Seattle. Anyone have some thoughts? 

Thanks, 

Mike H. 


Re: Jetty island tonight?

Michal Prussak
 

Actually, I am planning to come. I am hoping to make it there by 4:30 or so, depending on what the traffic will let me do. Hoping for a repeat of the Sunday week ago. Looking forward to sailing with other folks.



On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 12:02 PM, grantmac017 via Groups.Io <grantmac017@...> wrote:
Anyone up for a Jetty session after work? 



Re: Forecast for Hood River

garayromero510@...
 

I testify I was one of those Wright students! 

Class started at the hook. The wind was pretty calm in the morning but we were still determined to continue. We went to a near by picnic table where Wright took out his white board and began showing us his artistic skills. We did some simulation on the table which was a nice back stretch, and gave us a pretty good idea of what to expect. 

We then got our rig set up, and jumped onto the water. The wind was much better by that time. Not good enough for Wright to water start with a 5.0m sail. However, good enough for someone my size. Unfortunately, my technique was not that good for water starting on Saturday. However, the experience was worthwhile. 

On Sunday, the wind was much calmer, but still sailable. No waterstart on this day, but I was able to focus on jibe and tacs. 

It was fun meeting Greg and Bari in person. Those two were like dolphins. 




Jetty island tonight?

Grant MacDonald
 

Anyone up for a Jetty session after work? 


Sailing during the Milepost 90 Fire

MHL
 

44 second video that shows the Milepost 90 fire about an hour after it started. It eventually would burn all the way to the Maryhill bridge and give us quite the nighttime show. It created an eerie haze for this sailing session.   

Sailing during the Milepost 90 Fire


Re: Last week was a windy start to August in the Gorge #celilo

JayO
 

Thanks for the info... I've had contour cameras and continue to use a +2 model, but for sailing need stabilization and your gorge vid suggests GoPro did a good job with it.  I've been reluctant to use GoPro due to the form factor where I would certainly shear the camera off my helmet tree skiing, so I'm wanting something with similar (contour style) side helmet close in mounting.  Still looking.
Jay


Re: Gybe practice input

Grant MacDonald
 

Awesome advice folks!

I've only had video of myself to study from 3 sessions and being able to see what I'm actually doing rather than what I think I'm doing has made a huge difference.

For now I'm sticking with the step gybe just because I am on larger gear most of the time. I also naturally stand with my feet out and rotating them inward takes a lot of thought/discomfort in my knee.
Probably the closest I'll get to a strap to strap gybe is flipping as I step unless I can make big improvements in flexibility.

I'm definitely going to work on getting the rig forward with more sheeting in and better hand position during the flip as my next major focus. Along with getting my eyes pointed towards the exit, I tend to look at the rig right now.

Thanks,
Grant 


Re: Last week was a windy start to August in the Gorge #celilo

MHL
 

JayO, 
GoPro Hero 6 ($399) mounted on a helmet; Yes, it has digital stabilization. There are some mountain biking examples with stabilization turned off and using a gimbal (Chest) on my YT channel: Mark HL


Re: Last week was a windy start to August in the Gorge #celilo

JayO
 

Good vid!  What model camera was used for this and did it have image stabilization?


Last week was a windy start to August in the Gorge #celilo

MHL
 

Tuesday through Friday (Jul 31- Aug 3) blew after the heat modulated in the west. Still hot out east with 94 degrees and 91 degrees respectively on Tues and Weds in The Dallas.
Three out of four of the days were sub-four meter for me; I sailed a 4.2 on Wednesday and got down to my 3.3 on Friday. 
Here's a one minute 4K video of some windy conditions. You can see the burnt hills from the milepost 90 fire that started Tuesday evening and threatened Wishram, WA. It lit up the night time sky and made for a memorable experience.
It was like a dinosaur reunion at Ceeleelo with a lot of familiar faces showing up during the week. 
 
YouTube Vid (4K) 
Windy Gorge


Re: Sun eve float at Ballinger

NW Boardman
 

Light 5-8? Breeze with limited parking.

Have a great day!

Gus

On Aug 5, 2018, at 4:56 PM, NW Boardman <nwwinder@...> wrote:

Almost to Ballinger for a bit of an evening cruise.

Have a great day!

Gus

On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:26 PM, JayO <jay_odonnell@...> wrote:

While I have not met Bari in-person I nominate her for the next cover photo for this group!  Greg's daughter has been there a while and we need some new talent!  We could also consider nominating Evanne!  Send pics!

Jay


Sun eve float at Ballinger

NW Boardman
 

Almost to Ballinger for a bit of an evening cruise.

Have a great day!

Gus

On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:26 PM, JayO <jay_odonnell@...> wrote:

While I have not met Bari in-person I nominate her for the next cover photo for this group!  Greg's daughter has been there a while and we need some new talent!  We could also consider nominating Evanne!  Send pics!

Jay


Re: Forecast for Hood River

JayO
 

While I have not met Bari in-person I nominate her for the next cover photo for this group!  Greg's daughter has been there a while and we need some new talent!  We could also consider nominating Evanne!  Send pics!

Jay


Re: Gybe practice input

JayO
 

Some additional inputs regarding your footwork, both before you initiate the turn, and later after you complete the sail flip.  I seem to remember two different schools of thought on this, one technique being a step jibe (which is close to what you are doing, and one which an instructor taught my wife), another technique sailing pigeon-toed thru the entire jibe with the footwork done well before and after the actual board turn and sail flip.  I use this pigeon toed approach often and find it to be the most effective approach for me as it keeps the board trim and speed constant thru the turn.   The rear foot is removed from the footstrap and moved to the leeward forward strap and partially or wholly inserted well before the turn is initiated.  The resulting pigeon toed turn is then initiated by weighting the leeward rail with foot position maintained well past the sail flip.  Only then do you step the leeward foot back into the rear footstrap, and since you have not disturbed board trim you will be able to maintain speed thru the turn.  If I'm jibing in swells and linking successive turns I can maintain this pigeon toed sailing stance during multiple jibes.

This video shows my technique.  Notice the forward stance and footwork during the sail flip.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qjeiE4MSFWfD2Uxh6

I sometimes need to "fish" for my rear footstrap during exit (double strap 90L board) like I did in this video, but can usually get into it in a single movement on my single-strap 81L board.  I can also jibe the 81L board using a step jibe technique jumping both feet simultaneously after jibe exit, but this came after years of work.

Another thing which I found that helps is to sheet in just before turn initiation to get some extra speed during jibe entry.  This extra speed keeps the board stable during the turn. 

Hope this helps!
Jay


Re: Gybe practice input

Brian Clark
 

Hi there,
you are looking great until downwind, then you are tilting the sail to the outside of the turn and back.
You should keep the sail out in front of you with the mast tilted into the center of the turn radius, then it will rotate cleanly on its axis when you do the flip because it is balanced with the speed.
I also don't switch feet until right after the sail flip. this works well if the sail remains out in front and balanced, but not well if you let it tilt out and back like you are doing.
Good luck!
Brian Clark

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM, grantmac017 via Groups.Io <grantmac017@...> wrote:
I've thrown together a quick clip representing where I'm at in gybe progress. The first two are roughly average (for ones I completed without bailing) and the last is probably my best for the day.
I can see some obvious things to work on but input is very appreciated.
https://youtu.be/LTVdPE3Jk7E

-Grant



Re: Gybe practice input

emiltron3000
 

Wow awesome to have vids to check out! Nice! 


 My 2c as a stranger on the internet :)

- You’re doing great but you’re really leaning back when you go to flip the sail and stalling the board. This looks to be because...
- Michal is 100% correct, you’re holding on with your back/clu hand a bit too long, storing up power in the sail, which makes it violently rotate when you release. My guess is you’re mentally preparing your stance for that violent sail rotation and that is what is making you crouch back and stall.


Things to try:
Mentally prepare to do everything gently and gradually. Nothing should be sudden. Sudden moves will kill speed for now.  So release sail earlier and gently push it with your back hand (releasing power gradually) and keep your weight toward the mast base through the whole slow sail flip. It’ll feel like you’re over exaggerating the leaning forward thing while you flip the sail. 
Be light on your feet when you swap. No stomping. No sudden moves. Be delicate. You will come out plaining.

Michal, sounds like you’re pretty close too. From what you say, I’d advise you to keep carving through the turn and don’t stop carving during the sail rotation. It’s your board turning through the gybe that should bring the sail closer to you. You can also bring the boom closer to your back hand without grabbing for it, by pulling your mast hand forward. If you are able to send a vid I’d be happy to take a look as well.

As you succeed with speeding out, you can get more aggressive and carvey going in and out of the gybe.

Back in the day (1994-ish) I was lucky enough to learn on very flat water. I wouldn’t change my feet position until well after the sail was flipped. This allowed me to concentrate on keeping my weight and speed where it needed to be and flipping the sail without worrying about feet.

Once I mastered that, then I moved onto the sail and feet swap at the same time.

Might be worth playing with!
I loved learning gybes. They feel so good when you nail it. Have fun!


EmilyR





On Aug 5, 2018, at 7:10 AM, Michal Prussak <michal@...> wrote:

Grant -

Where you got is where many of us are stuck :-) At least me. You carve nicely through the jibe and stall at the sail flip. That's exactly where I am at. If I am in very smooth water or on a swell or just lucky I might flip the sail without stalling, but it is a rare and not a very repeatable action for me, so I don't think I should be offering any tips. But I will say just one thing. You were sailing out of the jibes clew first and delaying the flip. That's fine for a dry jibe. I think to plane out of a jibe you want to try to flip the sail right at the same time as you transition to clew first, which should be shortly after you pass dead downwind. You already shift your mast hand towards the mast prior to sail flip, which is good. You theoretically should be making an aggressive motion with the mast hand to make the sail rotate fully, but that is where I always fail - the sail does not rotate all the way, I have to reach for it and I stall.

Maybe someone can offer tips for me how to plane out of a jibe?

Very nice videos!


On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM, grantmac017 via Groups.Io <grantmac017@...> wrote:
I've thrown together a quick clip representing where I'm at in gybe progress. The first two are roughly average (for ones I completed without bailing) and the last is probably my best for the day.
I can see some obvious things to work on but input is very appreciated.
https://youtu.be/LTVdPE3Jk7E

-Grant



Re: Gybe practice input

Bob Horsefield
 

As you bear off, move your front hand forward on the booms. If your front hand is in normal position when you release your back hand, the sail won’t rotate fast. A slow sail flip will kill your planing through the Jibe. I had trouble with this when I was learning jibes, and my solution was to practice boom-to-boom flips (no mast grab) in dead air on the beach until it felt natural. Once you master that, jibes get pretty easy. 

Bob


On Aug 5, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Michal Prussak <michal@...> wrote:

Grant -

Where you got is where many of us are stuck :-) At least me. You carve nicely through the jibe and stall at the sail flip. That's exactly where I am at. If I am in very smooth water or on a swell or just lucky I might flip the sail without stalling, but it is a rare and not a very repeatable action for me, so I don't think I should be offering any tips. But I will say just one thing. You were sailing out of the jibes clew first and delaying the flip. That's fine for a dry jibe. I think to plane out of a jibe you want to try to flip the sail right at the same time as you transition to clew first, which should be shortly after you pass dead downwind. You already shift your mast hand towards the mast prior to sail flip, which is good. You theoretically should be making an aggressive motion with the mast hand to make the sail rotate fully, but that is where I always fail - the sail does not rotate all the way, I have to reach for it and I stall.

Maybe someone can offer tips for me how to plane out of a jibe?

Very nice videos!


On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM, grantmac017 via Groups.Io <grantmac017@...> wrote:
I've thrown together a quick clip representing where I'm at in gybe progress. The first two are roughly average (for ones I completed without bailing) and the last is probably my best for the day.
I can see some obvious things to work on but input is very appreciated.
https://youtu.be/LTVdPE3Jk7E

-Grant



Re: Forecast for Hood River

Evanne Howard
 

Wow Bari! From 3Mile to the Hook, 3.5M to 6.5M. Sailing with Greg, Rick, & Wright, Northwest Windsurfing treasures & icons. Sounds like it was a good weekend for you!


Re: Gybe practice input

Michal Prussak
 

Grant -

Where you got is where many of us are stuck :-) At least me. You carve nicely through the jibe and stall at the sail flip. That's exactly where I am at. If I am in very smooth water or on a swell or just lucky I might flip the sail without stalling, but it is a rare and not a very repeatable action for me, so I don't think I should be offering any tips. But I will say just one thing. You were sailing out of the jibes clew first and delaying the flip. That's fine for a dry jibe. I think to plane out of a jibe you want to try to flip the sail right at the same time as you transition to clew first, which should be shortly after you pass dead downwind. You already shift your mast hand towards the mast prior to sail flip, which is good. You theoretically should be making an aggressive motion with the mast hand to make the sail rotate fully, but that is where I always fail - the sail does not rotate all the way, I have to reach for it and I stall.

Maybe someone can offer tips for me how to plane out of a jibe?

Very nice videos!


On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM, grantmac017 via Groups.Io <grantmac017@...> wrote:
I've thrown together a quick clip representing where I'm at in gybe progress. The first two are roughly average (for ones I completed without bailing) and the last is probably my best for the day.
I can see some obvious things to work on but input is very appreciated.
https://youtu.be/LTVdPE3Jk7E

-Grant



Re: Forecast for Hood River

Bari Bookout
 

Thanks Greg and Wright!  

It was another super fun annual water-start clinic.  I sure appreciated having Greg out in the river with me.  It was very helpful to have the coaching and feedback real-time.   I now know there’s a safe sandbar by the bridge, and that took away the terror factor in crossing the swells and current.  I also got to work on planing in the footstraps and harness, and water-starting with a big sail (6.5 is very big for me) That’s always had a psychological barrier to it for me.  I was afraid to try, but now I’ve done it a couple of times.  It was fun to work on skills in lighter wind here instead of nuclear survival sailing (although that is fun too). 

Fun dinner with the group afterward at Kickstand.   I’m now watching the sun rise over the river at Memaloose with a hot cup of coffee. Life is good!

Bari

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On Aug 4, 2018, at 10:42 PM, Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...> wrote:

Nope, as I mentioned in my 11:39 post, Wright worked with 2 of his students from Mt Baker... and I spent the day foiling and escorting and coaching Bari on a bunch of stuff... there weren't any others that showed up.
I didn't think there would be, cause no one besides Bari responded to the invitation.
So I was planning on foiling,  which I did, but it worked out great, to also coach Bari out there. She had some break-throughs!!
Anyway I'm bummed... I was hoping to foil with you Rick (and return your hat :)
Greg


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Rick Martin <segler999@...>
Date: 8/4/18 3:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: zNW-Windtalk <nw-windtalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Forecast for Hood River

So, did anybody besides Greg and Bari (that I know of) come down for the waterstart instruction session?

Rick

PS  I had this sinking feeling that I was missing something, but the actuals and forecasts just did not shape up enough to lure us down past Arlington.  Oh well.  Purgi (native of Austria) is making a true ethnic apple strudel right now.


On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...> wrote:
Geez what a great first session!
Wind from the 10 to 18 mph.
Foiled non stop for an hour with 7.4 XT2 race sail. Super fun... warm to hot... beautiful scenery... Gorge Cup races going on... tons of people learning in The Hook Pond. But the outside of the hook has lots of room... where there's no rocks to hit the foil, only sand. Anyway I'm just using it for a lunching pad to foil BAF across the River.
I've taken Bari all the way to the WA shore, where we hung out at the White Salmon sandbar. She's doing great, her first time fully crossing the river. A big confidence builder. I think she should be able to plane with her 5.5 but she mostly hasn't been planing. So 2nd sesh, she'll be on her 6.5 :)
Greg
P.S. I'm staying with 7.4 on the LP foil... it's plenty.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...>
Date: 8/4/18 11:49 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Forecast for Hood River

Rick we miss you here... I have your hat :) Wright is teaching 2 students who showed up from Mt Baker.  Perfect foiling 10- 15 mph wind. I'm taking Bari out to the middle if the river, cause she hasn't been out there much.
Two pics don't show many caps, but they're out there :)
Greg 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...>
Date: 8/3/18 8:03 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Forecast for Hood River

Lottsa wind in Hood River, but I didn't go to the Event Site till later.
I foiled 2017 LP and 2004 Go board and 1994 UP 5.0 sail. Out there for a great session going back and forth from 6:15 to 7:15. It was all 20 stuff when I started (had been much stronger all day)... and only dropped to 15 when I came in.
Warm, sunny, lots of people I ran into to visit with. Nice to be back!
Greg :)


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-------- Original message --------
From: Rick Martin <segler999@...>
Date: 8/3/18 6:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: zNW-Windtalk <nw-windtalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Forecast for Hood River

We are at 3 Mile.  Blowing 25 all day.  Bari was out with a 3.5 practicing jibes.

I hereby testify that Bari has a rock-solid waterstart.

Rick

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 1:17 PM Evanne Howard <winddiva@...> wrote:
Love 3mile! We just spent 2 days there. Bring water, more like 90 miles from HR, but well worth the drive.


On Aug 3, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Bari Bookout <bari@...> wrote:

See you there.  Leaving HR shortly 

Bari

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On Aug 3, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Rick Martin <segler999@...> wrote:

3-Mile is on the Oregon side, 15 miles further east of Arlington/Roosevelt.  Exit 151 on I-84.  You can't miss it unless you are asleep at the wheel.  It is a 60-70 minute drive east from Hood River.

Right now it is blowing 25 there and is forecast to stay pretty strong until dark.

If you like nighttime stars, or meteor showers, 3-Mile has a REALLY dark sky at night.

Camping is free and wide open on the huge parking lot.  No shade.

We are leaving soon for 3-Mile.

Rick


On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Bari Bookout <bari@...> wrote:
Rick, where is 3 mile?  Is that near Roosevelt?

Bari

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On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:06 AM, Rick Martin <segler999@...> wrote:

I conclude the same.  It appears that the Event Site will have pretty light wind on Saturday, but not until 4 pm or so.  Then calm on Sunday.

Even though the plan is to meet at The Hook at 9:30am, we should be prepared to start a waterstart instruction mid afternoon to allow for rigging and on-ground before hitting the water by the time any wind starts up.  If the wind remains too light for waterstarting, we could instruct regular sailing (trim and harness) right there at The Hook as well.  We're gonna have to play this one by ear.  Probably want to plan dinner really early or really late since we will need to take advantage of any dinnertime-only wind on Saturday.  If that.  Dang.

Also, we should be prepared to drive to another location if that is called for.  However, we would have to make that decision at The Hook since everybody will show up there.

I can see it now: a bunch of us amateur meteorologists sitting around at The Hook discussing temperatures and pressure gradients and MM5 contours and smoke and fires and thunderstorms and fronts and pressure zones, etc., etc.  By the way, I find most windsurfers to be pretty darned good meteorologists.  Kinda necessary, ya know.  This weekend will tax our skills to the max.  LOL.

In any case, the 2-day season finale for the Gorge Cup looks like a bust for wind.  Hope not.  Hope it blows.

Too bad about all this, because today's winds will be very nice.

So, my plan is this.  Purgi and I will go down to 3-Mile today and sail/foil until dark.  We will van-camp overnight there, get up and check the actuals and forecast for Hood River, then make a decision about driving further downstream or not.

The blackberries are getting ripe, and our home jam supply is getting low.

Rick


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...> wrote:
Just looked at the latest "air temp and wind" forecast for Sat and Sun... for these towns -  
Astoria
Portland
Hood River
The Dalles
Pasco
In each case, for both days, as you go east, the daily high temp goes up with each town in order.
And they're all forecast to have light west wind, for both days.
In my experience, the odds are that this means, there will be westerly flow both Sat and Sun. Not easterly and not calm. 
And the wind on the River is always more than the city forecast.
Conclusion - I don't think it'll be nukin'... but I think (hope) we'll have enough wind at some point in the day for doing waterstarts (and for windfoiling).
I have sails from 5 to 9m packed.
I'm leaving early Fri morning... and will mess around on my way, but will sail the Event Site (probably, late Fri afternoon) with small-ish sails.
And will be at The Hook Sat morning... and hope to sail bigger sails there with whoever shows up... whenever we get a breeze!!

Rick - I have your hat packed (if you make it down-stream from your place :)

*Wright and I will see you there *

From: nw-windtalk@groups.io <nw-windtalk@groups.io> on behalf of Greg Mejlaender <gregnw44@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:31 PM
To: nw-windtalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Forecast for Hood River
 
I agree with Jay!

Crankin' down there with strong wind, these last couple days and tomorrow... with the cool down on the west side.

But the west side gets warmer on Sat. At the same time, the east side is also warmer, but not HOT.

Therefore Sat / Sun Gorge wind doesn't look "great"... as Jay says.
------------------------
However it might be enough for us to do waterstarts and practice shortboard sailing. 
If we get 15 mph wind... we'll be fine!!
A big shortboard and a 5.5 to 7 m sail... and people from Bari's size to my size will be waterstarting.
I think Wright told me he is already there... or is certainly committed to going.
So we are "go" for The Hook Sat morning. Depending on who shows up, we can customize the clinic... or even drive up or down the Gorge a ways.
See you there!
Greg :)
PS - The above can all change... guessing on wind forecasts is always difficult.


From: nw-windtalk@groups.io <nw-windtalk@groups.io> on behalf of JayO <jay_odonnell@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nw-windtalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nw-windtalk] Forecast for Hood River
 
Looks iffy this weekend based on models, with nam showing nothing for HR corridor and gfs showing am winds sat HR then declining pm with nothing Sunday.
Good here now as we sit in our van at the wall with sailors out on 4.2 and prospects for stronger later today and lesser but decent winds eastern gorge Fri.
Jay
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Bari Bookout wrote:
Rick,
 
Still calling for low-mid 20's from Jones through corridor on Saturday.   But agree, the forecast is weakening for the weekend as we get closer.
But, today is only Wednesday.   When I was down 2 weeks ago, this far out they were calling for nothing, and then we had epic winds that kept many of the downwinders from racing.
 
Bari

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Rick Martin <segler999@...> wrote:
Yes, it is still a few days out, but I would like a discussion about the wind forecast for Hood River for the waterstart weekend coming up.
 
You MM5 guys please chime in.
 
What I see on iwindsurf is wind now through Friday, then basically calm on Saturday and Sunday.  I hope that does not come true.
 
What say ye?
 
Rick