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Re: Eset products not working

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The thing is that Jaws has still got a video interceptor and this may be why it works. I think perhaps the company are not up to date perhaps.

I've not tried it myself, but I've yet to find an anti virus package where everything works, since often they block hooking in from outside in case its some attempt to compromise the anti virus system.
Only the Microsoft one seems ok, though one can sort of use superantispyware and the like if you use screen and global navigation.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 12:22 PM
Subject: Eset products not working


Dear NVDA developers,

I have a problem. NVDA doesn't read the user interface of eset products,
at least internet security.
See this log chunk:

```
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:44.328):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (07:34:44.349):
Speaking [u'ESET Internet Security']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:44.355):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (07:34:44.375):
Speaking [u'desconocido']
IO - speech.speak (07:34:44.377):
Speaking [u'desconocido']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:34:44.691):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:44.701):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:44.713):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (07:34:44.717):
Speaking [u'desconocido']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:34:44.993):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:45.009):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:45.016):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (07:34:45.019):
Speaking [u'desconocido']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:34:45.788):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(07:34:45.792):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es correcto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(07:34:45.891):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: None
role: ROLE_UNKNOWN
states:
isFocusable: False
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x04CA88F0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>,
<type 'object'>)
description: None
location: None
value: None
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName 'egui', process ID 11308) at
address 48ca8d0>
appModule.productName: u'ESET Security'
appModule.productVersion: u'12.1.34.0'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 197498
windowClassName: u'EsetBaseWindow'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1442906112
extendedWindowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 10620
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x6f5c1a0 at 4d4e2b0>
IAccessibleChildID: -1893059533
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=197498, objectID=-4,
childID=-1893059533
IAccessible accName: exception: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es
correcto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IAccessible accRole: exception: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es
correcto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IAccessible accState: exception: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es
correcto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IAccessible accDescription: exception: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no
es correcto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IAccessible accValue: exception: (-2147024809, 'El par\xe1metro no es
correcto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
```

I wrote to Eset support and they told me that their products are
prepared to work with screen readers. I've tested with JAWS (I have a
demo version installed just for these things) and it works.

Is there a solution? Where can I begin to investigate this? (assuming
you cannot review this for now).

I'm asking because I don't know the IAccessible API.

Cheers,
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Spellink error in whats new in alpha snap.

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. In Scintilla controls such as Noteplad++, NVDA can read the correct line when wordwrap is ...

noteplad?
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Re: Spellink error in whats new in alpha snap.

Reef Turner
 

Thanks Brian, this has now been corrected.


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when wordwrap is ...

noteplad?
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Re: Spellink error in whats new in alpha snap.

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Yes finally found the time to report it officially, seems to have been too much life going on round here of late.
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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Spellink error in whats new in alpha snap.


Thanks Brian, this has now been corrected.

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Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

 

Hi all,

 

Some of you may see this message up to three times – that’s the beauty and a curse of blind carbon copies.

 

There was a question raised on the add-ons list regarding where to find the add-on development guide. At the moment the one that appears from Google search is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/devDocs/devDocs.en.html

 

However, the most up-to-date version can be found here:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide

 

I propose that we start referring to the second link. Although the first one has been translated into several languages, it is very out of date, as the last revision was in 2016 and hasn’t been updated ever since and won’t be updated at all. Although the second one is very up to date, it hasn’t been translated yet (personally I prefer to keep the guide in English, but I’m open to other possibilities). The biggest advantage of the second one is support for tables, and the fact that this is a wiki document that is also ready for revisions through Git make it a more attractive option.

 

Note that even though I am the author of the add-on development guide, it is still subject to community-based revisions. Also, Project Threshold is slowly being planned, which will make the first link obsolete. Therefore, you are more than welcome to provide feedback as to what to do until a few days after Threshold is launched, at which point backwards incompatible changes from my side (in this case, the link for the add-on development guide) will be locked.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

Tage Johansson
 

Hi,


I agree with you. It is only confusing to have two addon development guides, and I was actually confused myself the first time I googled which one to pick.


If someone really want to translate it then they can of course do that, but I think it is better to have an up to date guide in english than an out dated in many languages.


Best regards,

Tage


On 5/14/2019 12:55 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Some of you may see this message up to three times – that’s the beauty and a curse of blind carbon copies.

 

There was a question raised on the add-ons list regarding where to find the add-on development guide. At the moment the one that appears from Google search is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/devDocs/devDocs.en.html

 

However, the most up-to-date version can be found here:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide

 

I propose that we start referring to the second link. Although the first one has been translated into several languages, it is very out of date, as the last revision was in 2016 and hasn’t been updated ever since and won’t be updated at all. Although the second one is very up to date, it hasn’t been translated yet (personally I prefer to keep the guide in English, but I’m open to other possibilities). The biggest advantage of the second one is support for tables, and the fact that this is a wiki document that is also ready for revisions through Git make it a more attractive option.

 

Note that even though I am the author of the add-on development guide, it is still subject to community-based revisions. Also, Project Threshold is slowly being planned, which will make the first link obsolete. Therefore, you are more than welcome to provide feedback as to what to do until a few days after Threshold is launched, at which point backwards incompatible changes from my side (in this case, the link for the add-on development guide) will be locked.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

Brian's Mail list account
 

Re the translations. Are there any parts of the guide that remain unchanged and could have their translations, say in a zip download somewhere should any prospective translators come along later.
Having said all that, it is going to be a very difficult task to keep such a document up to date even in one language, let lone several.
This is a not just a problem on nvda but on many projects where users can add to the functionality etc.
I directly am not going to use it, but if I do meet anyone who is pretty good at programming just having one place for resources generally will be easier to pass on to them I feel.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda-devel@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:55 PM
Subject: [nvda-devel] Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version


Hi all,



Some of you may see this message up to three times - that's the beauty and a
curse of blind carbon copies.



There was a question raised on the add-ons list regarding where to find the
add-on development guide. At the moment the one that appears from Google
search is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/devDocs/devDocs.en.html



However, the most up-to-date version can be found here:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide



I propose that we start referring to the second link. Although the first one
has been translated into several languages, it is very out of date, as the
last revision was in 2016 and hasn't been updated ever since and won't be
updated at all. Although the second one is very up to date, it hasn't been
translated yet (personally I prefer to keep the guide in English, but I'm
open to other possibilities). The biggest advantage of the second one is
support for tables, and the fact that this is a wiki document that is also
ready for revisions through Git make it a more attractive option.



Note that even though I am the author of the add-on development guide, it is
still subject to community-based revisions. Also, Project Threshold is
slowly being planned, which will make the first link obsolete. Therefore,
you are more than welcome to provide feedback as to what to do until a few
days after Threshold is launched, at which point backwards incompatible
changes from my side (in this case, the link for the add-on development
guide) will be locked.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

Jim Homme
 

Hi,

How do we get this to happen? I also think that some parts of the Development Guide from NVAccess should go in this area. The content from NVAccess would help beginning add-on developers get started.

 

Jim

 

 

 

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From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tage Johansson via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:49 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

 

Hi,

 

I agree with you. It is only confusing to have two addon development guides, and I was actually confused myself the first time I googled which one to pick.

 

If someone really want to translate it then they can of course do that, but I think it is better to have an up to date guide in english than an out dated in many languages.

 

Best regards,

Tage

 

On 5/14/2019 12:55 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Some of you may see this message up to three times – that’s the beauty and a curse of blind carbon copies.

 

There was a question raised on the add-ons list regarding where to find the add-on development guide. At the moment the one that appears from Google search is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/devDocs/devDocs.en.html

 

However, the most up-to-date version can be found here:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide

 

I propose that we start referring to the second link. Although the first one has been translated into several languages, it is very out of date, as the last revision was in 2016 and hasn’t been updated ever since and won’t be updated at all. Although the second one is very up to date, it hasn’t been translated yet (personally I prefer to keep the guide in English, but I’m open to other possibilities). The biggest advantage of the second one is support for tables, and the fact that this is a wiki document that is also ready for revisions through Git make it a more attractive option.

 

Note that even though I am the author of the add-on development guide, it is still subject to community-based revisions. Also, Project Threshold is slowly being planned, which will make the first link obsolete. Therefore, you are more than welcome to provide feedback as to what to do until a few days after Threshold is launched, at which point backwards incompatible changes from my side (in this case, the link for the add-on development guide) will be locked.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Michael Curran
 

Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler (codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's project abstract at https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick

Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Jim Homme
 

Hi Bill,
I am so happy that we have you here. I use NVDA almost all day, every day. You will be helping a lot of people have better lives at work, home, and play.

Jim

 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Curran via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: [nvda-devel] Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick

Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Bill Dengler
 

Thanks! I use NVDA quite heavily myself as well. Definitely looking forward to improving console support and working with all of you!

Bill

On May 14, 2019, at 20:19, Jim Homme <jhomme@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
I am so happy that we have you here. I use NVDA almost all day, every day. You will be helping a lot of people have better lives at work, home, and play.

Jim


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Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Curran via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: [nvda-devel] Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick













Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi Bill,

I use the command prompt very regularly, and find the experience very bad with current support, specificly freezing with multiline output, spelling of output etc.

You will definitely change the lives of many by improving command prompt support.

On 5/15/2019 1:19 AM, Jim Homme wrote:
Hi Bill,
I am so happy that we have you here. I use NVDA almost all day, every day. You will be helping a lot of people have better lives at work, home, and play.

Jim

==========
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Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Curran via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: [nvda-devel] Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick












Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Jim Homme
 

Hi Bill,
So I want to know more about you. If this is the wrong forum for this, I apologize and will stop asking here.

Thanks.

Jim

 
==========
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Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Dengler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:55 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Thanks! I use NVDA quite heavily myself as well. Definitely looking forward to improving console support and working with all of you!

Bill
On May 14, 2019, at 20:19, Jim Homme <jhomme@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
I am so happy that we have you here. I use NVDA almost all day, every day. You will be helping a lot of people have better lives at work, home, and play.

Jim


==========
Jim Homme
Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-techn
ology-solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Curran via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: [nvda-devel] Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019
student: Bill Dengler

Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed
to the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with
him in an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick













Re: Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

derek riemer
 

Re translations: In order to do anything useful with NVDA development, you will need to understand english to read the documentation needed for development. This is more broad than just NVDA, a lot of programming is english centric. It is quite honestly a waste of our translators valuable time to translate the developer guide, because in order to really make the translations useful, the translator needs to have a solid understanding of the terms being used, many of which won't have equivelents in the translated language.

Re not knowing how to do certain things on github.
NVDA addon development is not a walk in the park, because people need to learn python. The project can spend time improving the product, and getting work done that will affect us all in amazing ways. We could also spend that time improving addon development guides, and other things, but ultimately, we use python for scripting, and with very good reasons. Any time we spend improving this process is time we are not able to spend working on the actual product. We can't do both. That being said, as new developers have come on board with the project, slowly people have been documenting what they found difficult, and improving the developer guides to make that useful. We are not trying to ignore the claims being made, but there are certain fundamental differences between NVDA addons and other screen reader scripts, and those differences were intentional choices made by the project in order to have a powerful scripting system. Some of those choices include having open wiki's that anyone, including everyone here, can maintain, and easing the burden on developers by storing those wikis in a place where they are automatically updated (github).

Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

derek riemer
 

Welcome Bill! It's amazing to see you here!


On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:12 PM Michael Curran <mick@...> wrote:
Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick













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Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student:Bill Dengler

David Moore
 

Welcome, Bill!

I am so very glad you are with us, and you will make it even better to use NVDA.

This is an amazing project you are undertaking for us, so Thank you so very much!

I can’t wait to get to know you over the summer.

David Moore

 

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From: derek riemer
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:29 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student:Bill Dengler

 

Welcome Bill! It's amazing to see you here!

 

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:12 PM Michael Curran <mick@...> wrote:

Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick











 

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Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

 

Really great to see you as a GSoC student Bill. I'm sure you will make a difference with your work. I wish you all the best, and am looking forward to looking at your code if time permits.

Regards,
Leonard

Op 15-5-2019 om 04:29 schreef derek riemer:

Welcome Bill! It's amazing to see you here!

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:12 PM Michael Curran <mick@...> wrote:
Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick













--
Derek Riemer
Improving the world one byte at a time!        ⠠⠊⠍⠏⠗⠕⠧⠬ ⠮ ⠸⠺ ⠐⠕ ⠃⠽⠞⠑ ⠁⠞ ⠁ ⠐⠞⠖
•    Accessibility enthusiast.
•    Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
•    Open source enthusiast.
•    Skier.

•    Personal website: https://derekriemer.com




Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

Marco Zehe
 

Welcome, Bill! What an exciting project, given that Microsoft is now also developing the new Windows 10 terminal in the open.

Marco


Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 07:58 Uhr schrieb Leonard de Ruijter <leonard@...>:

Really great to see you as a GSoC student Bill. I'm sure you will make a difference with your work. I wish you all the best, and am looking forward to looking at your code if time permits.

Regards,
Leonard

Op 15-5-2019 om 04:29 schreef derek riemer:
Welcome Bill! It's amazing to see you here!

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:12 PM Michael Curran <mick@...> wrote:
Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019 student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick













--
Derek Riemer
Improving the world one byte at a time!        ⠠⠊⠍⠏⠗⠕⠧⠬ ⠮ ⠸⠺ ⠐⠕ ⠃⠽⠞⠑ ⠁⠞ ⠁ ⠐⠞⠖
•    Accessibility enthusiast.
•    Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
•    Open source enthusiast.
•    Skier.

•    Personal website: https://derekriemer.com




Re: Introducing our Google Summer of Code 2019 student: Bill Dengler

francisco del roio
 

El 14/5/2019 a las 21:12, Michael Curran escribió:
Hi all,


On behalf of NV Access I would like to officially welcome Bill Dengler
(codeofdusk) to the NVDA project, as our Google Summer of Code 2019
student.


Many people may have already seen Bill around, as he has contributed to
the project in the past. But we are very happy to be working with him in
an official capacity, under the Google Summer of Code program.


Between now and the end of August, Bill will be working on improving
NVDA's support for Windows consoles in Windows 10, by having NVDA take
advantage of UI Automation in this scenario.


You can read about NV Access on Google Summer of Code, plus Bill's
project abstract at
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsummerofcode.withgoogle.com%2Forganizations%2F5317267756154880%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca78138432f8344fbfc2b08d6d8ca0d93%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636934759651965802&amp;sdata=2DS%2FxZ944tjO9aHsuyU2V1SlIjaSO1j36F21XQahWos%3D&amp;reserved=0



Please join me in making Bill welcome.


Regards

Mick
I'm happy to see a new member of the NVDA project!

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Re: Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

Jim Homme
 

Hi,

It sounds like it is OK for people like me to update the wiki. If this is OK, I will do all I can to be accurate. Do I need special permission to do this?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

 

 

 

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From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of derek riemer via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Add-on development guide: let us remove the one found on add-ons community website in favor of GitHub version

 

Re translations: In order to do anything useful with NVDA development, you will need to understand english to read the documentation needed for development. This is more broad than just NVDA, a lot of programming is english centric. It is quite honestly a waste of our translators valuable time to translate the developer guide, because in order to really make the translations useful, the translator needs to have a solid understanding of the terms being used, many of which won't have equivelents in the translated language.

 

Re not knowing how to do certain things on github.

NVDA addon development is not a walk in the park, because people need to learn python. The project can spend time improving the product, and getting work done that will affect us all in amazing ways. We could also spend that time improving addon development guides, and other things, but ultimately, we use python for scripting, and with very good reasons. Any time we spend improving this process is time we are not able to spend working on the actual product. We can't do both. That being said, as new developers have come on board with the project, slowly people have been documenting what they found difficult, and improving the developer guides to make that useful. We are not trying to ignore the claims being made, but there are certain fundamental differences between NVDA addons and other screen reader scripts, and those differences were intentional choices made by the project in order to have a powerful scripting system. Some of those choices include having open wiki's that anyone, including everyone here, can maintain, and easing the burden on developers by storing those wikis in a place where they are automatically updated (github).