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Re: NVDA cannot navigate in mozilla firefox during a skype presentation

Heiko Folkerts <Heiko.Folkerts@...>
 

Hi Ralf,

well we are running office 365 so it seems to be the trouble there too.


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Betreff: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA cannot navigate in mozilla firefox during a
skype presentation

Hi Heiko,
I noticed the same or similar when presenting with Powerpoint or Excel. I'm
not able to read with NVDA what I'm
presenting.
I had this experience with Office 2013 in combination with skype for
business 2015.
Now I'm on Office 365 plus at work, but I never tested it with that new
version of office and skype for business.
If you like we can test it at the weekend in a conference, trying with some
browsers and some Office programs.
With the results we got then we can create new NVDA issues.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
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To: nvda-devel@...
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA cannot navigate in mozilla firefox during a skype
presentation

Hi all,

I noticed that when I am in a skype conversation and I present my desktop
then I cannot change between focus and read
mode in firefox and cannot navigate a page.

Is this known/wanted or should I file a ticket fort hat? A quick search
didn't reveal any issues.

Heiko


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Feature Request

"John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
 

Hello,

It would be nice to make the BrailleExtender feature of chosing two or more outpuut tables part of the standard Braille
options. I have a lot of files that have already been translated into Braille. Chosing between output tables is really
the only BrailleExtender feature that I need.

Thanks,
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Strange behavior in UIA documents

francisco del roio <francipvb@...>
 

Hello,


I'm experimenting a strange behavior with various UIA documents, cannot
confirm if it occurs with WPF document view too, but I will try to
explain myself.


For example, you have a word document with a paragraph followed by a
list, without a blank line between them. If you read the last line of
the paragraph, the numeration is presented in the end of the line.


Next you begin reading the list as normal, except that at the end of the
item, you get announced the next item numeration again.


It occurs with some elements in edge, such links, tables and lists.


You're reading the last item of the list and it says, at the end of the
list that the list ends, but in Firefox/Chrome it doesn't occurs.


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Low performance in Visual Studio 2019

francisco del roio <francipvb@...>
 

Hello people,

I've downloaded Visual Studio 2019 RC to test nvda against it.

I see a lower performance due to constant changes in the various views.
Sometimes it is simply unusable.

Can I do some tests to help improving this?

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Re: Low performance in Visual Studio 2019

Karl-Otto Rosenqvist <karl-otto@...>
 

Hi!
As a Visual Studio 2017 developer I use it daily and the background compilation sometimes drags down performance of NVDA, the speech lags a lot. This is what one have to live with if one wants the InteliSense and other nice-to-have features.

When VS stops on a breakpoint it takes at least 10 to 20 seconds before NVDA is ready to read as expected. What can I do to try to log this to see what might be the problem? Sometimes NVDA won't come to life so I have to start over.
Often I quit NVDA just before I know that I'll hit the breakpoint, i e before clicking on a button or so on, and when the code editor is shown with the breakpoint I start NVDA again.


Best regards

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Den 2019-03-17 kl. 23:37, skrev francisco del roio:

Hello people,
I've downloaded Visual Studio 2019 RC to test nvda against it.
I see a lower performance due to constant changes in the various views.
Sometimes it is simply unusable.
Can I do some tests to help improving this?
Cheers,

Add-on development guide: huge updates planned for 2019.1

joseph.lee22590@...
 

Hi everyone,

 

For people reading the NVDA add-on development guide: you’ll see huge changes coming to that guide in the next few days. The biggest change is introduction of scratchpad directory and changes to examples as a result. Specifically:

 

  • Any examples that refer to the old folder structure will be rewritten to say that you can use these examples with scratchpad turned on.
  • I’ll highlight Advanced panel and the reason for existence of scratchpad setting.
  • Add-on compatibility range (minimum/last tested) will be mentioned and demonstrated.

 

Along with this, the new API docs for 2019.1 will be uploaded to my website within 48 hours after release of 2019.1 stable.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Lazarus 2.0 editable field issue

"Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" <janusz.chmiel@...>
 

Dear core developers of NVDA,
    Does somebody of us know, how complex would be to redesign some parts of NVDA so SHIFT+arrow keys would correctly announce assigned words, characters or lines also on Delphi based components?
Or somebody would had to convince Delphi developers to develop their GUI toolkit so NVDA would announce assigned data when SHIFT+ arrow key will be used when focus is actually on Editable field?

Here is some info from NVDA navigator object.

name: None
role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_IAccessibleDisplayModelEditableTextWindowNVDAObject object at 0x05786F70>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_IAccessibleDisplayModelEditableTextWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.DisplayModelEditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: None
location: RectLTWH(left=249, top=216, width=1072, height=297)
value: None
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'lazarus', process ID 197456) at address 5994730>
appModule.productName: u'Lazarus IDE'
appModule.productVersion: u''
TextInfo: <class 'displayModel.EditableTextDisplayModelTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 1639282
windowClassName: u'Window'
windowControlID: 239291936
windowStyle: 1446051840
windowThreadID: 196100
windowText: u''
displayText: u"35   LEditName2 := TEdit.Create(Self); . . LButtonSave := TButton.Create(Self); .   LButtonSave.Caption := 'Vyhodnotit odpov\u011bdi'; .   LButtonSave.OnClick := @ButtonClick;40   (* .   *) .   (* .   *) .   end;45 . procedure TFormMain.ButtonClick(A: T" (truncated)
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x7cb32c8 at 5b7c6c0>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=1639282, objectID=-4, childID=0
IAccessible accName: None
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: None

Dev list is moving from Sourceforge to groups.io

Michael Curran <mick@...>
 

Hi all,


Recently Sourceforge has started producing 404 errors on certain list pages, plus  some people have been reporting that they cannot post to this list once they have subscribed.

Based on this and other reasons, NV Access has decided that it is best to move this list to groups.io. Sourceforge is no longer a suitable platform for such a project as ours.


I have created a new development list on groups.io:

https://nvda-devel.groups.io


Please use the groups.io list for future discussion about NVDA development.


After this post, I shall be making this Sourceforge list read-only, and investigating how I can transfer previous posts over to groups.io.


I have not yet filled in all public information, but I figure people can start subscribing before this is complete.


See you all on groups.io.


Mick

Discussion: Can we give up txt2tagS and go to the HTML document generated by poedit?

 


Currently NVDA mainly uses txt2tags to generate help files, but as NVDA prepares to migrate to python3, plus 2020 python community will stop python2x support, and finally add txt2tags official update is slow. Based on the above reasons, it is imperative to find a set of document generation solutions with high reliability, low migration cost and good maintainability. Based on the above issue, I refer to a lot of solutions, for example: using Markdown turn HTML, and use html poedit generate two sets of programs. First talk about the use of markdown to HTML this program: Advantages Custom and flexible, the syntax is good for programmers, learning fast. Drawback: NVDA translation defenders likely to lose control is not good forms and other written format followed poedit talk about this program generates HTML: Advantages: there is no threshold for NVDA translator, as long as the will is translated nvda.po poor flexibility High stability disadvantages: not found temporarily
Finally, as for the conversion tool, pandoc is a good choice.
Recommended for official reference only
thank

Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

agrawal.vishesh.178@...
 

Hi,

I am currently in the process of trying to design a GSOC proposal around the idea of Developing an Interactive Tutorial for First Time Users / Beginners to help them learn the basics of NVDA. While the User Guide is extensive and complete, I would like to know what some of the most used NVDA Specific Keyboard Commands are that you guys use in general on a daily basis. I know this is a very general question and not very specific, but this would greatly help me while I am designing the layout for the the tutorial as I would know what some of the necessary commands to include and hence be able to better think about how to give the User a good beginner understanding so that they can have an easier time navigating windows and have in general have a better understanding of the software.

Cheers,
Vishesh

Re: Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

Michael Curran
 

Hi,


The Commands Quick Reference document, available from NVDA menu -> help would be a good place to start.


This is generated from the user guide, but the ordering is fairly close to what you would be looking for.

I would suggest starting from the "Basic NVDA commands" section and going through the document in order from there.


Mick



On 3/22/2019 4:15 PM, agrawal.vishesh.178@... wrote:
Hi,

I am currently in the process of trying to design a GSOC proposal around the idea of Developing an Interactive Tutorial for First Time Users / Beginners to help them learn the basics of NVDA. While the User Guide is extensive and complete, I would like to know what some of the most used NVDA Specific Keyboard Commands are that you guys use in general on a daily basis. I know this is a very general question and not very specific, but this would greatly help me while I am designing the layout for the the tutorial as I would know what some of the necessary commands to include and hence be able to better think about how to give the User a good beginner understanding so that they can have an easier time navigating windows and have in general have a better understanding of the software.

Cheers,
Vishesh

Re: Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

 

Hi,

Isn’t there an add-on that teaches folks about NVDA commands in the format of a game?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Curran
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 2:26 AM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

 

Hi,

 

The Commands Quick Reference document, available from NVDA menu -> help would be a good place to start.

 

This is generated from the user guide, but the ordering is fairly close to what you would be looking for.

I would suggest starting from the "Basic NVDA commands" section and going through the document in order from there.

 

Mick

 

 

On 3/22/2019 4:15 PM, agrawal.vishesh.178@... wrote:

Hi,

I am currently in the process of trying to design a GSOC proposal around the idea of Developing an Interactive Tutorial for First Time Users / Beginners to help them learn the basics of NVDA. While the User Guide is extensive and complete, I would like to know what some of the most used NVDA Specific Keyboard Commands are that you guys use in general on a daily basis. I know this is a very general question and not very specific, but this would greatly help me while I am designing the layout for the the tutorial as I would know what some of the necessary commands to include and hence be able to better think about how to give the User a good beginner understanding so that they can have an easier time navigating windows and have in general have a better understanding of the software.

Cheers,
Vishesh

Re: Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

Larry Wang
 

Hi ,

That addon is only limited to NVDA commands. As far as I have seen, this proposal aims at creating a quick guide for people who uses NVDA or even a computer for the first time. Some Windows commands and concepts may also be included.

On 2019/3/22 15:25, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Isn’t there an add-on that teaches folks about NVDA commands in the format of a game?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Curran
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 2:26 AM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

 

Hi,

 

The Commands Quick Reference document, available from NVDA menu -> help would be a good place to start.

 

This is generated from the user guide, but the ordering is fairly close to what you would be looking for.

I would suggest starting from the "Basic NVDA commands" section and going through the document in order from there.

 

Mick

 

 

On 3/22/2019 4:15 PM, agrawal.vishesh.178@... wrote:

Hi,

I am currently in the process of trying to design a GSOC proposal around the idea of Developing an Interactive Tutorial for First Time Users / Beginners to help them learn the basics of NVDA. While the User Guide is extensive and complete, I would like to know what some of the most used NVDA Specific Keyboard Commands are that you guys use in general on a daily basis. I know this is a very general question and not very specific, but this would greatly help me while I am designing the layout for the the tutorial as I would know what some of the necessary commands to include and hence be able to better think about how to give the User a good beginner understanding so that they can have an easier time navigating windows and have in general have a better understanding of the software.

Cheers,
Vishesh

Re: Most commonly used and important shortcuts used by Users

agrawal.vishesh.178@...
 

Thanks for all the suggestions. I did look at the addon and I would like to draw some inspiration from it as there are some really cool things in it that I'd like to learn from and also incorporate. I did not know this existed. My proposal currently revolves around the idea of having modules for different things such as Basic Navigation, Browser Navigation, Office Suite, Development and many more so that future developers can build upon it and also so that I can also plan things step-by-step as to how to execute it .
Had'nt thought of the idea of having a tutorial for complete novices for Windows but if you guys can bounce off some ideas as to how you might do it then maybe I can come up with something, but personally I think teaching Windows itself maybe is too tall of a task to teach people who've never used it through a welcome tutorial. 

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I've had trouble getting the email back from the groups, but fingers crossed its working now.
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Strange goings on with nvda in the system tray

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Rather than repost the thread here, here is the link to the online message that started it.

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/59001


I think there are some things to consider here. Is it right that for some the mouse is moved? Could this be why some other tray icons expand to a fly out or pane for no reason, and of course what exactly is the difference between icons that are affected by this mouse move and those which are not?
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Microsoft Chromium Edition Edge Browser Installer Download

 

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March 24th News Earlier today, Windows Central released a 15-minute Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser to get started, showing some key features. Now Microsoft's Chromium version of the Edge browser installer has also flowed out, interested interested friends to download it. Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser installer download link:
https://wbdiagstor.blob.core.chinacloudapi.cn/fileshare/microsoftedgesetup-latest.zip

Using NVDA to browse the google website, I found that using TAB to browse the web will read continuously, for example: Gmail link image link
Also note that opening the settings menu does not press the cursor, or the browser will crash.
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IAccessible2 bridge for java

francisco del roio
 

Hello,

I'm wondering if it is possible to implement a bridge for java
accessibility by exposing the accessible objects as IAccessible2
objects. The first problem I've found is COM calling from Java.

What do you think?

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Re: Microsoft Chromium Edition Edge Browser Installer Download

 

You developers can add to the project, since it is open source now, I say go to town on the code!

https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/MSEdge