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Re: NBEMS x 2

George Blakeslee
 

Mike

It can be done but takes several steps which I did not find too clear in the manual.
It involves setting up multiple desktop short cuts AND THEN configuring the TCP-IP ports of each.
AND it has to be done in matching ports for respective FLmsg and FLamp apps.
If you like, we can sked a time to chat on the phone and I will coach you through it.

73  George  N1GB

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 1:00 PM Mike Walker via groups.io <m_walker_sr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been through quite a few posts and haven't seen this one yet. I would like to run two copies of fldigi on the same computer but controlling different radios. I have tried two different versions loaded into separate directories (Win7) but every time I change a parameter in one, it is copied in the other. What I want to do is have an HF copy and a VHF copy. That way I could receive local traffic on an FM repeater, copy and paste into the HF copy and transmit on SSB and visa versa.
There are several stations in my local ARES area looking to do this. Any help, thoughts, suggestions and/or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

73 de Mike AB8MW



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George Blakeslee


Re: NBEMS x 2

Ed W3NR
 

On 10/17/20 1:00 PM, Mike Walker via groups.io wrote:
I have been through quite a few posts and haven't seen this one yet. I would like to run two copies of fldigi on the same computer but controlling different radios. I have tried two different versions loaded into separate directories (Win7) but every time I change a parameter in one, it is copied in the other. What I want to do is have an HF copy and a VHF copy. That way I could receive local traffic on an FM repeater, copy and paste into the HF copy and transmit on SSB and visa versa.
There are several stations in my local ARES area looking to do this. Any help, thoughts, suggestions and/or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

73 de Mike AB8MW
_._,_._,_

It's covered in the Help Manual.

Ed W3NR



NBEMS x 2

Mike Walker
 

I have been through quite a few posts and haven't seen this one yet. I would like to run two copies of fldigi on the same computer but controlling different radios. I have tried two different versions loaded into separate directories (Win7) but every time I change a parameter in one, it is copied in the other. What I want to do is have an HF copy and a VHF copy. That way I could receive local traffic on an FM repeater, copy and paste into the HF copy and transmit on SSB and visa versa.
There are several stations in my local ARES area looking to do this. Any help, thoughts, suggestions and/or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

73 de Mike AB8MW


How to set up received audio level

Dave
 

See answer below Chris' query regarding version 4.1.14.71.  This is an exerpt from the next fldigi manual for 4.1.15

73, David, W1HKJ

On 10/14/20 2:55 PM, Chris E., KC2RGW wrote:
Cursory run, it seems to be working well on Win10 here.

What would you say for an empty idle passband is a good level as a baseline?  I'm never quite sure if I'm "looking too far into the noise" with the settings I have.  I find where the diamond is black and where it's yellow and split the difference generally but it's always been a guess.


Receive audio

Setting the correct hardware, operating system, and fldigi received audio levels is not difficult, but it is the one setup procedure most often done incorrectly. The most commonly used sound card devices contain either a 16 or 24 bit analog to digital (a/d) converter. A 16 bit a/d can provide approximately 90 db of signal conversion. For the 16 bit converter, if the peak audio signal that the a/d can handle is +/- 1 volt then the minimum discernable signal (1 bit) will be +/- 30.5 microvolts. If more than a +/- 1 volt signal is applied to the a/d input then either one of two things may occur, (1) the audio is clipped, or (2) the audio is wrapped, large positive signals wrap to large negative signals and vice versa.

Signal decoding and signal display are two separate software processing paths:

signal_flow.png
Signal Path

The objective in adjusting the Rx audio is to use the full dynamic range of the a/d without either incurring over or under drive. fldigi provides a number of display controls to assist in setting up the Rx audio. fldigi does not attempt to control the system input mixer controls. Those must be adjusted by the operator. Mixer control access is different for each of the supported operating systems. The input signal level effects the decoder performance and the visual presentation of the signal.

fldigi displays the raw input signal in a VU style meter. This meter is accessed from one of two signal level configuration panel and on the fldigi main dialog.

configure_signal_level_menu1.png
configure_signal_level_menu2.png
configure_signal_level.png

There are two controls that adjust the visual appearance of the waterfall. These controls are below and to the left of the waterfall, "Upper signal level (dB)", and "Signal range (dB)". The "Upper signal level" control is a gain control. 0 dB == x1,-6 dB = x2. These values are dB relative to input signal level. This control will effect the Waterfall (WF), Fourier Transform (FFT), and Signal (SIG) views. The "Signal range" control will only effect the WF and FFT views.

win10-fldigi-wf-adjust.png
Waterfall level/range controls

Set the level to -20 and the range to 70. Change the waterfall display to the "Scope" view. Do this by pressing the "WF" button twice if it is currently displaying the waterfall. You can also right click once on that button. That button acts as a rotary and is left/right click sensitive. The display should show what looks like an oscilloscope view of the received audio. This is the entire audio signal and not just the signal that is currently decoded.

win10-fldigi-signal.png
Scope view

If your sound card a/d (also referred to as codec) is functioning correctly there should be no signal offset and the signal will be centered vertically about the x-axis. Set your transceiver to a portion of the band with no signals; 14.065 MHz might suffice. Adjust the audio path gain; transceiver audio, external audio codec gain, and operating system gain for a noise level that is about -50 dB on the VU meter. Then set the transceiver to an active portion of the digital band; 14.070 MHz for PSK or 14.074 MHz for JT type digital signals. Make sure that the input gain controls are not set too hot. The peak signals do should not exceed the upper/lower gray lines on the display. The diamond indicator to the left of the fldigi AFC button will be colored as follows:

  • BLACK - no signal present
  • GREEN - signals are in the correct range
  • YELLOW - signals level high, but still OK
  • RED - signals too high, danger of decode errors

The transition levels can be adjusted on the "Signal Level" configuration panel. The default settings will be good for most users. The colors can be set to suit the users' color vision.

You can then proceed to adjust the waterfall/fft appearance when you have the audio Rx level adjusted correctly. Remember that changing the WF/FFT/SIG level and range controls DOES NOT effect the decoder signal path.

The three signal views should be similar to this with the level/range controls set to -20 and 70 respectively. The waterfall palette used is "default.pal", and the received signal is about 20 dB above the noise floor.

win10-fldigi-wf.png
Waterfall
win10-fldigi-fft.png
FFT
win10-fldigi-signal.png
Scope


fldigi 4.1.1.71 alpha posted

Dave
 

at http://www.w1hkj.com/alpha/fldigi/

Added input signal level VuMeter on main dialog in the space also occupied by the Status Bar display.  Left click on either the VuMeter or the Status Bar to toggle between the two.  The VuMeter is resizable up to a maximum range of 130 dB:

73, David, W1HKJ


Re: android phone and FLDIGI

KC2UKU ED
 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 05:12 AM, vh2 wrote:
http://www.w1hkj.com/files/AndFlmsg/
Right but it can be here to so in the file this the link to w1hkj as it is fldigi there is no group for for and other digital ham groups I know I look and way going to set one up my pocket are empty so I can't set one up and the free not any good 


Re: AndFlmsg; attaching forms to text msgs? sent messages not always listed as sent

John (vk2eta)
 

Hi Ole,

Thank you for the testing. Glad it's working. 

Android is not designed as a real time o/s so the "garbage collection" (i.e. the periodic memory clean-ups) can cause temporary freezes.

Few competing apps running at the same time, plenty of memory and fast processors do minimise these effects significantly.

I will update the documentation and submit the new version this weekend for Dave to publish. It will be functionally identical to the RC2 version you tested.

Good work with the ARES groups and good luck with your presentation.

All the best,

73, John


Re: AndFlmsg; attaching forms to text msgs? sent messages not always listed as sent

Ole Helgerson KI7MBR
 

Hi John,

Got it sorted out ok. I think.

Phone version says; AndFlmsg Version 1.3.11 RC2, 2020-10-2

Tested sending ICS 213 again by; SMS, Winlink, Gmail and speaker to mic (phone to tablet)

SMS; shows up as text just like before
Winlink; opened the attachment before sending; looked like the SMS version, e.g. simple text
Gmail; Html form with all the lines and boxes showed up per usual
Phone to tablet (spkr to mic); it took three tries.  First attempt; incoming email messages on the tablet beeped and caused an error.  Second try, the phone hiccuped during tx for whatever reason; maybe something had tied up the internal processor, creating a timed out msg on the receiving tablet.  Third and fourth tries were successful with two differing forms.  Moral of that story; Android devices are generally good, but bumps in the road can happen.

Hope useful.

73, KI7MBR Ole'


On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 12:25 PM Ole Helgerson KI7MBR via groups.io <olehelgerson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John,

Apologies.  Thought that I had loaded the latest version that you'd sent and then realized,   ...um,... maybe not. 

Will delete program from phone, load the latest and try again.  73,  Ole

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:40 AM Ole Helgerson KI7MBR via groups.io <olehelgerson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 10:10 PM, John (vk2eta) wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xXfMlu-IXJpkuVkH7pt3S0JuJ84OlLWu/view?usp=sharing
Good morning John,

Last night I checked into the local radio club net, apparently successfully, using SMS and Winlink to send an ICS 213 form.

The file version used was "AndFlmsg-1.3.11RC2-20201002.apk"  which shows up on the phones screen as "AndFlmsg Version 1.3.11 RC1, 2020-09-29."

On SMS,  for transmission I selected "SHARE" > "for sending as plain text (SMS...)" > "WRAP" format.  It worked. Bingo!

For Winlink (Telnet), connected phone to computer with USB cable >, opened Winlink > generated a message > attached the file by browsing > posted to the outbox > send.  Again, bingo!

Also just tested tx/rx from phone to adjoining 6" Samsung tablet (AndFlmsg Version 2017-05-05).  First attempt at full phone volume created error msg "Last_Bad_CrC_Rx' file.".  Ooops, lower the speaker volume.... Second attempt with ~3/4 speaker volume came through ok; both as text in the initial window and the full ICS213 form in the received window.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.  Happy to be of assistance.  I mentioned the five-way capabilities (SMS, Winlink, email, two radio) on two smaller local nets last night (local club and adjoining county ARES) and will share with Oregon ARES District #1 this week per your ok.  That ARES group encompasses a six county Portland OR greater metro area, thus want to ensure I have my facts ok.   Also, after last night's briefing on the net, got an invite from our local radio club to present a "how to" session sometime via Zoom.   As my nephew in Ottawa might say, "cool beans!"

Thanks again and 73,  KI7MBR Ole'


Re: AndFlmsg; attaching forms to text msgs? sent messages not always listed as sent

Ole Helgerson KI7MBR
 

Hi John,

Apologies.  Thought that I had loaded the latest version that you'd sent and then realized,   ...um,... maybe not. 

Will delete program from phone, load the latest and try again.  73,  Ole


On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:40 AM Ole Helgerson KI7MBR via groups.io <olehelgerson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 10:10 PM, John (vk2eta) wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xXfMlu-IXJpkuVkH7pt3S0JuJ84OlLWu/view?usp=sharing
Good morning John,

Last night I checked into the local radio club net, apparently successfully, using SMS and Winlink to send an ICS 213 form.

The file version used was "AndFlmsg-1.3.11RC2-20201002.apk"  which shows up on the phones screen as "AndFlmsg Version 1.3.11 RC1, 2020-09-29."

On SMS,  for transmission I selected "SHARE" > "for sending as plain text (SMS...)" > "WRAP" format.  It worked. Bingo!

For Winlink (Telnet), connected phone to computer with USB cable >, opened Winlink > generated a message > attached the file by browsing > posted to the outbox > send.  Again, bingo!

Also just tested tx/rx from phone to adjoining 6" Samsung tablet (AndFlmsg Version 2017-05-05).  First attempt at full phone volume created error msg "Last_Bad_CrC_Rx' file.".  Ooops, lower the speaker volume.... Second attempt with ~3/4 speaker volume came through ok; both as text in the initial window and the full ICS213 form in the received window.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.  Happy to be of assistance.  I mentioned the five-way capabilities (SMS, Winlink, email, two radio) on two smaller local nets last night (local club and adjoining county ARES) and will share with Oregon ARES District #1 this week per your ok.  That ARES group encompasses a six county Portland OR greater metro area, thus want to ensure I have my facts ok.   Also, after last night's briefing on the net, got an invite from our local radio club to present a "how to" session sometime via Zoom.   As my nephew in Ottawa might say, "cool beans!"

Thanks again and 73,  KI7MBR Ole'


Re: AndFlmsg; attaching forms to text msgs? sent messages not always listed as sent

Ole Helgerson KI7MBR
 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 10:10 PM, John (vk2eta) wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xXfMlu-IXJpkuVkH7pt3S0JuJ84OlLWu/view?usp=sharing
Good morning John,

Last night I checked into the local radio club net, apparently successfully, using SMS and Winlink to send an ICS 213 form.

The file version used was "AndFlmsg-1.3.11RC2-20201002.apk"  which shows up on the phones screen as "AndFlmsg Version 1.3.11 RC1, 2020-09-29."

On SMS,  for transmission I selected "SHARE" > "for sending as plain text (SMS...)" > "WRAP" format.  It worked. Bingo!

For Winlink (Telnet), connected phone to computer with USB cable >, opened Winlink > generated a message > attached the file by browsing > posted to the outbox > send.  Again, bingo!

Also just tested tx/rx from phone to adjoining 6" Samsung tablet (AndFlmsg Version 2017-05-05).  First attempt at full phone volume created error msg "Last_Bad_CrC_Rx' file.".  Ooops, lower the speaker volume.... Second attempt with ~3/4 speaker volume came through ok; both as text in the initial window and the full ICS213 form in the received window.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.  Happy to be of assistance.  I mentioned the five-way capabilities (SMS, Winlink, email, two radio) on two smaller local nets last night (local club and adjoining county ARES) and will share with Oregon ARES District #1 this week per your ok.  That ARES group encompasses a six county Portland OR greater metro area, thus want to ensure I have my facts ok.   Also, after last night's briefing on the net, got an invite from our local radio club to present a "how to" session sometime via Zoom.   As my nephew in Ottawa might say, "cool beans!"

Thanks again and 73,  KI7MBR Ole'


Re: android phone and FLDIGI

Vince N2JRS
 

They are on the w1hkj.com site:
 http://www.w1hkj.com/files/AndFlmsg/



Vince



-------- Original message --------
From: KC2UKU ED <kc2uku@...>
Date: 10/13/20 7:39 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: nbems@groups.io
Subject: [nbems] android phone and FLDIGI

I just check the files here and I didn't find anything on androids and digital this is some thing that can used old android phone I will see if I can find any information in a pdf file to shareand I working on a interface for this right now.... 


android phone and FLDIGI

KC2UKU ED
 

I just check the files here and I didn't find anything on androids and digital this is some thing that can used old android phone I will see if I can find any information in a pdf file to shareand I working on a interface for this right now.... 


flrig 1.3.51.30 posted

Dave
 

at http://www.w1hkj.com/alpha/flrig/

Fixed reported IC-705 mode change bug.

NOTE: this is an alpha release, Caveat Emptor.

73, David, W1HKJ


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Bill Turner, wb4alm
 

Yes, my TOSHIBA laptop was a uni-boot system.  it is also is before UEFI.

But your observation is an interesting one.

/s/ Bill Turner, wb4alm
 

On 10/11/20 10:32 PM, Neil Preston W0NRP via groups.io wrote:
>From this thread and the one on the WinFLDigi group, it appears that those who had the problem were using dual-boot systems.  Are there any instances where the upgrade trashed a uni-boot system?
UEFI.


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Andy_VE4PER
 

also the fact M$ has a feature available to run linux as a guest in VM is not any great step forward as most users who switch to Linux and allow windoze to run as guests OS in VM is the BO$$ controlling Host system control remains with linux and the machine owner not the M$ mothership.


On 2020-10-11 9:39 p.m., Andy_VE4PER via groups.io wrote:

check my previous post about keeping linux and windows OS's on separate HDD's for dual boot machines and DISCONNECT linux HDD BEFORE rebooting into windows to do updates/upgrades. DO NOT use partitions on a single drive as you cannot remove linux detection from an update process.

When you install linux be sure to specify the LINUX separate HDD as the ONLY HDD to install the GRUB loader.

retain a normal windows MBR on the separate windows HDD only. These loader options can be realized using the boot repair ISO diagnostic from distrowatch.com download links.


On 2020-10-11 9:32 p.m., Neil Preston W0NRP via groups.io wrote:
From this thread and the one on the WinFLDigi group, it appears that those who had the problem were using dual-boot systems.  Are there any instances where the upgrade trashed a uni-boot system?


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Andy_VE4PER
 

check my previous post about keeping linux and windows OS's on separate HDD's for dual boot machines and DISCONNECT linux HDD BEFORE rebooting into windows to do updates/upgrades. DO NOT use partitions on a single drive as you cannot remove linux detection from an update process.

When you install linux be sure to specify the LINUX separate HDD as the ONLY HDD to install the GRUB loader.

retain a normal windows MBR on the separate windows HDD only. These loader options can be realized using the boot repair ISO diagnostic from distrowatch.com download links.


On 2020-10-11 9:32 p.m., Neil Preston W0NRP via groups.io wrote:
From this thread and the one on the WinFLDigi group, it appears that those who had the problem were using dual-boot systems.  Are there any instances where the upgrade trashed a uni-boot system?


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Dave Corio
 

Yep. Win 10 Home version here was eaten by the 2004 upgrade. Couldn't open any .exe files except bu using daughter-files (such as clicking on a .xlsx file to open Excel). Made the mistake of calling MS and within an hour or so they had "bricked" my Dell. Was able to rebuild it, but taught me a bit about making backups!!!


73

Dave - K1DJE


On 10/11/2020 10:32 PM, Neil Preston W0NRP via groups.io wrote:
>From this thread and the one on the WinFLDigi group, it appears that those who had the problem were using dual-boot systems.  Are there any instances where the upgrade trashed a uni-boot system?


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Neil Preston W0NRP
 

From this thread and the one on the WinFLDigi group, it appears that those who had the problem were using dual-boot systems.  Are there any instances where the upgrade trashed a uni-boot system?


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Wes AE6ZM
 

Us "OFs" still using Win7 are just jealous of all the interesting things happening to the Win10 users. Not fair!. I just sit here year after year with my multiple W7 machines chugging along, no fun at all!
What IS worrisome is hearing some software owners talking about not keeping compatibility with W7 in the near future. May just be the big meltdown all the worry warts predicted back in 1999 would happen in 2000. 

VY 73,
Wes AE6ZM


Re: beware of WINDOWS 10 upgrade

Philippe PARIS
 

Hi all !

On my side I test any Windows update on a... Mac !

I use Parallels and all the virtual PC disk is in... one unique file in theMac Os.
Then, when an update is proposed by Microsoft, I just make a copy of this file in case...
If the update goes wrong, I just replace the file in a minute (just drag and replace, no specific procedure or software) and all is back and ok.

I have parallels Os files for Win xp pro, 7, 8, 10 plus Linux and android ones.
All that in one unique Mac.
I do test for different Os platforms for a web application developed for my company.

Good luck for recovering your computer and W10.

73 to all.

Philippe