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Re: Flmsg 4.0.8 Fltk UI option bugs #flmsg

Dave
 

I repeated the tests with flmsg-4.0.10.01 and fldigi-4.1.04.04.  The behavior is correct and the flmsg received messages dialog opens to display the received messages.  Selection of a messsage and "View" opens the message in the browser.

David

On 6/27/19 1:56 PM, Dave wrote:
Steve,

How are you testing?

David

On 6/27/19 1:15 PM, Steve AG7GN wrote:
Apologies for replying to my own post.  The same behavior is still happening on Flmsg 4.0.10.01.

73,

Steve/AG7GN







Re: Flmsg 4.0.8 Fltk UI option bugs #flmsg

Dave
 

Steve,

How are you testing?

David

On 6/27/19 1:15 PM, Steve AG7GN wrote:
Apologies for replying to my own post.  The same behavior is still happening on Flmsg 4.0.10.01.

73,

Steve/AG7GN






Re: Flmsg 4.0.8 Fltk UI option bugs #flmsg

Steve AG7GN
 

Apologies for replying to my own post. The same behavior is still happening on Flmsg 4.0.10.01.

73,

Steve/AG7GN

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Steve AG7GN
 

Dave,

I was experiencing the same problem on Raspbian Stretch with the same versions of Fldigi and Flmsg. I've tested your fix and I confirm that it now works as expected.

Fldigi version 4.1.04
Flmsg version 4.0.10.01

73,

Steve
AG7GN

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Dave
 

Let the group know when you have tested the posted test version !!

On 6/27/19 10:52 AM, John Lemmer W6FQX wrote:
I experienced exactly the same problem.  Went back to flmsg 4.0.8.04 with no problems.
 
Windows 10 Dell Laptop
 
John, W6FQX

FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

 

I experienced exactly the same problem.  Went back to flmsg 4.0.8.04 with no problems.
 
Windows 10 Dell Laptop
 
John, W6FQX

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Dave
 

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Dave
 

I have confirmed the reported behavior on both Win10-Home-Premium-32 and Linux Mint-19 using the most recent test versions of both flmsg and fldigi.  A new flmsg instance is opened for each newly received message.

The bug is most likely in fldigi.  I will provide an update after further testing.

73, David, W1HKJ

On 6/27/19 7:24 AM, Bart N5BLP via Groups.Io wrote:
Sorry, Windows 10 Home, fully updated in my case.  Not sure about the others but all various versions of Windows.

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Bart N5BLP
 

Sorry, Windows 10 Home, fully updated in my case.  Not sure about the others but all various versions of Windows.

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Dave
 

What operating systems please?

David, W1HKJ

On 6/26/19 7:53 PM, Bart N5BLP via Groups.Io wrote:
Update to the above.  I just noticed that FLMsg was running several executions.  Apparently, every time a message came in, it started another instance of FLMsg even though it was already running.

Bart N5BLP

Re: FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Bart N5BLP
 

Update to the above.  I just noticed that FLMsg was running several executions.  Apparently, every time a message came in, it started another instance of FLMsg even though it was already running.

Bart N5BLP

FLMsg traffic received by FLDigi but not passed to FLMsg

Bart N5BLP
 

Note:  This problem occurred after I upgraded to FLDigi 4.1.04 and FLMsg 4.0.10.

I can see the message scroll by in FLDigi, but FLMsg never processes it.  The received msgs window doesn't open, I don't see the file in the folder if I try to use the open menu command; however, I do see them in the wrap received folder.

On FLDigi I DO have NBEMS data file interface selected ENABLE, and also "Transfer direct to executing flmsg" selected.  I also have "Open with flmsgs" selected, and the proper file path is specified.   FLMsg is open and running when the message is recieved.  All this is the same as what I had on previous versions.

There are several of us on our NBEMS net tonight having this problem with the new versions.

While I was typing this, I did have a message received that appeared directly in FLMsg without the Received Msgs window opening.

Bart N5BLP

FD submission

Dave
 

"Congratulations! You've successfully submitted your Field Day entry, as well as uploaded all required documentation. Your confirmation number is 4416782. A summary of your submission is provided below for your review. If you have any questions about your log, please contact the Contest section at contests@...."

Using the procedure to generate a dup file that I outlined in a previous post.

73, David, W1HKJ

Field Day dup sheet from fldigi

Dave
 

If you used fldigi for field day digital ops, you probably want to create a "dup sheet".  I did, and created a unique Field Day log for those contacts.  Use this procedure for creating the required ARRL dup sheet for submission of your field day log:
  1. start fldigi and open the logbook adif that you used for the field day ops
  2. Select menu item "Logbook / Reports / CSV"
  3. On Export Setup dialog:
    1. select "Check All"
    2. Select Fields: CALL, BAND, MODE, FD class, FD section (QSO Date Off, Time OFF are not required, but will not be rejected)
    3. Press OK
  4. Save as "fd_dup_sheet.csv" or a file name that is indicative of your operation
  5. Open the csv file using a spreadsheet program such as LibreOffice, Gnumeric, or Excel
    1. my 15 contacts look like this in gnumeric (a Linux spreadsheet program)



    2. Sort the entries by band / mode.  I only worked 40 meters.
    3. Save (or export) as a text file (I used a tab as field separator).  Open the text file with a true ASCII text editor.  Convert the tabs to a fixed number of spaces and fix any columnation issues.  Save the resulting text file.

      DATE_OFF    OFF        CALL    BAND   MODE   CLASS ARRl_SECT
      20190623    142838    WF0RT    40m    PSK31    2A    IA
      20190623    143540    K4HY     40m    PSK31    3A    KY
      20190623    143948    W8ZPF    40m    PSK31    3A    OH
      20190623    144102    AC0EC    40m    PSK31    3A    IA
      20190623    145005    W8CCA    40m    PSK31    3A    OH
      20190623    145223    N9NAU    40m    PSK31    2A    IN
      20190623    145352    K3URT    40m    PSK31    1E    EPA
      20190623    150022    W4MIS    40m    PSK31    5A    NC
      20190623    150206    K3PSG    40m    PSK31    4A    WPA
      20190623    150738    N9AG     40m    PSK31    4A    IN
      20190623    174447    W9VT     40m    PSK31    4F    IL
      20190623    174651    N4EMP    40m    PSK31    1D    AL
      20190623    174815    N4LNR    40m    PSK31    2A    NC
      20190623    174940    WA3NAN   40m    PSK31    3F    MDC
      20190623    175114    KC3NKB   40m    PSK31    3A    WPA

The final text file can be used as the upload "dup sheet" when submitting your entry on the ARRL web site FD report page.

Modify the above procedure if your field day contacts were just added to your station log.

  1. Do not select "Check All".  Rather, check each field day contact in the browser control "Select Records to Export".  Each checked entry will be exported to the csv report
  2. OR. Select contacts by Start Date, Stop Date.  Then uncheck any entries that were not field day contacts.

For a multi-operator/multi-transmitter submission I would merge the various submissions as csv spreadsheets.  The final spreadsheet could then be sorted by band/mode.

73, David, W1HKJ



Re: %20flmsg%204.0.10%20&%20American%20Red%20Cross

n6med@...
 

The reality and intent:
The forms Dave removed were obsolete. In today's world, it is unlikely that a Red Crosser is going to sit down long enough to learn flmsg in its "expert" mode and dig out the form needed. Further, government agencies are now involved (responsible for?) damage assessment. During and after the fires last year in CA, CalFire had boots on the ground surveying properties in the burned areas, noting them by address or Lat-Long. NGO's (Red Cross) did not and to the best of my knowledge does not survey damage. Exactly who does that task varies across the country. On my deployment to SE TX a few years ago, the local JP declared residences destroyed by the flooding without even seeing them, just by the fact that they were in the flooded areas.

Safe and Well is handled differently that years past. Now, it is done when client's check into a shelter if that's what they want or later by polling shelter clients. Data is collected on hand-written forms initially or later on laptops if they have become available to shelter workers.

The custom forms are direct replicas of those found on the red Cross internal disaster tool repository and represent the type of messaging between a Red Cross service site (usually a shelter) and the Red Cross Disaster Operations Center (DOC). They were created to facilitate the type of messages that must get forwarded to the DOC in the early hours of a disaster response when the telecom infrastructure is down.  Dave's mod of flmsg to include a "simple" or "agency" interface enables use by the average non-radio "civilian" (Red Crosser) to use the forms, create a .k2s object text file that can be sent over virtually any digital circuit, including as an email attachment to Winlink.

Also, hopefully those of you out there who are truly interested in assisting us with disaster comms would install the latest and greatest flmsg and the forms. Thus, if and more likely when Red Cross staff at a shelter lack computers in the early hours would be invited to sit down at your computer to compose a message, all in the interest of mitigating transcription errors.
Refer to Dave's posting under the topis header flmsg/ARC Forms for my contact info if you would like to discuss (I'd enjoy hearing about your recent disaster response experiences).
Jim, RN, n6med
ARC Gold Country Region

Re: flmsg / ARC forms

W. T. Jones <wn3lif@...>
 

Happy Field Day Weekend to all....

W1HKJ defers to Mr. Piper for discussions of the ARC forms.

Mr. Piper is the Liaison to Amateur Radio for the "Gold Coast Region".

Anyone know of the "Liaison to Amateur Radio" for the National Organization of the ARC? A "Liaison" that can say that these are the forms to be used throughout the United States?

Otherwise I'll just talk to the local Chapter and ask what form do they want and build it.

But I would like someone from on high in the ARC to say "these are the forms!"

Regards,

WT
Real heroes do not wear capes. They wear dog tags, turnout gear, and badges!


On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:32 AM Dave <w1hkj@...> wrote:
The internal ARC forms were removed because they are obsolete.

I defer to all decisions regarding flmsg/ARC requirements to:



Jim participates in this forum.  Please coordinate your specific area requirements with him.

Some participants in a recent ARC drill sponsored by ARRL/ARC were using these obsolete forms.  That prompted the internal form removal and the recent update to flmsg.

ARC members maintain the flmsg authorized ARC custom forms.  For the ARC convenience I store those forms on Source Forge and my personal web site.  I do not manage the form content or design.  Access to those forms for download is made easy by the internal ARC forms selection being replaced by a browser link to the forms stored either on Source Forge or my personal web site, http://www.w1hkj.com/files/flmsg/templates/.  Please do not add to the confusion by telling the list that templates and custom forms are not the same.  I am aware of that distinction.  A future release will place the ARC custom forms in it's own unique directory at both web locations.

73, David, W1HKJ
flmsg developer

Re: %20flmsg%204.0.10%20%26%20American%20Red%20Cross

B Anderson
 

David

That matches with what I read on the FEMA DA Handbook

Do you know if PA uses the FEMA IA Street Sheet?

In any case, the FEMA IA Street Sheet should be accepted by most agencies.

Bryce


On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:14 AM david flad <kb3yck@...> wrote:
At least here in PA ( a Commonwealth state), damage assessments are done locally, at the County Level, and at the State level depending on scope and severity.  Who does the assessment is primarily the responsibility of someone in emergency management.

This is based on accountability to the community and for resource and impact assessments for disaster declarations and such that trigger state and federal funding for response and recovery activities.

Regards,

David Flad / KB3YCK 
Emergency Coordinator 
Chester County ARES/RACES, Pennsylvania

Municipal Emergency Management Coordinator
New London Township, PA

On Jun 20, 2019, at 19:57, B Anderson <Bryce2001@...> wrote:

Jim

Thanks for that info.

Are you suggesting the FEMA IA Street Sheet should replace it?

Is there anyone that can speak to the damage assessment that is taking place in the large areas of the country that are dealing with flooding?
Which groups/agencies are doing the assessments?
What forms are they using?

Bryce

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:13 PM <n6med@...> wrote:
Mr. Anderson -

If by Sayer you mean the Sayre Fire (aka Sylmar Fire)  in 2008, I suspect things might have changed significantly since then, I've been deploying on the big fires we've been having up here in NorCal and the Red Cross, to the best of my knowledge, has not been deploying any teams, Red Cross or Event Based Volunteers (EBVs) to assess damage. Rather that appears to be firmly in the hands of CalFire and FEMA now (clearly the case for the Carr and Camp Fires).

In direct conversation with and idea solicitation of the prime movers in our region (i.e., Disaster Program Managers), the forms/templates/whatever anyone wants to call them now in the flmsg library represent the information that would be authored by Red Cross personnel and have to be communicated between a service site and the Disaster Operations Center.

Jim / n6med
Red Cross  registered volunteer



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B Anderson
K 6 TI



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B Anderson
K 6 TI

flmsg / ARC forms

Dave
 

The internal ARC forms were removed because they are obsolete.

I defer to all decisions regarding flmsg/ARC requirements to:



Jim participates in this forum.  Please coordinate your specific area requirements with him.

Some participants in a recent ARC drill sponsored by ARRL/ARC were using these obsolete forms.  That prompted the internal form removal and the recent update to flmsg.

ARC members maintain the flmsg authorized ARC custom forms.  For the ARC convenience I store those forms on Source Forge and my personal web site.  I do not manage the form content or design.  Access to those forms for download is made easy by the internal ARC forms selection being replaced by a browser link to the forms stored either on Source Forge or my personal web site, http://www.w1hkj.com/files/flmsg/templates/.  Please do not add to the confusion by telling the list that templates and custom forms are not the same.  I am aware of that distinction.  A future release will place the ARC custom forms in it's own unique directory at both web locations.

73, David, W1HKJ
flmsg developer

Re: %20flmsg%204.0.10%20%26%20American%20Red%20Cross

KB3YCK
 

At least here in PA ( a Commonwealth state), damage assessments are done locally, at the County Level, and at the State level depending on scope and severity.  Who does the assessment is primarily the responsibility of someone in emergency management.

This is based on accountability to the community and for resource and impact assessments for disaster declarations and such that trigger state and federal funding for response and recovery activities.

Regards,

David Flad / KB3YCK 
Emergency Coordinator 
Chester County ARES/RACES, Pennsylvania

Municipal Emergency Management Coordinator
New London Township, PA

On Jun 20, 2019, at 19:57, B Anderson <Bryce2001@...> wrote:

Jim

Thanks for that info.

Are you suggesting the FEMA IA Street Sheet should replace it?

Is there anyone that can speak to the damage assessment that is taking place in the large areas of the country that are dealing with flooding?
Which groups/agencies are doing the assessments?
What forms are they using?

Bryce

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:13 PM <n6med@...> wrote:
Mr. Anderson -

If by Sayer you mean the Sayre Fire (aka Sylmar Fire)  in 2008, I suspect things might have changed significantly since then, I've been deploying on the big fires we've been having up here in NorCal and the Red Cross, to the best of my knowledge, has not been deploying any teams, Red Cross or Event Based Volunteers (EBVs) to assess damage. Rather that appears to be firmly in the hands of CalFire and FEMA now (clearly the case for the Carr and Camp Fires).

In direct conversation with and idea solicitation of the prime movers in our region (i.e., Disaster Program Managers), the forms/templates/whatever anyone wants to call them now in the flmsg library represent the information that would be authored by Red Cross personnel and have to be communicated between a service site and the Disaster Operations Center.

Jim / n6med
Red Cross  registered volunteer



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B Anderson
K 6 TI

Re: %20flmsg%204.0.10%20&%20American%20Red%20Cross

KB3YCK
 

Dave generally follows the latest, current guidance on this sort of thing, and in the release notes, it was mentioned INTERNAL ARC forms were removed. This suggests perhaps that is why things might have done — they are not intended for general use or have been replaced/removed from actual use.

Amateur radio operators responding as ARES volunteers would be expected to take information from specific sources and relay to their respective served agency(ies). In the fire/ disaster scenario, this would likely be the local, regional, state or federal emergency management team(s).

No matter what the situation, as an individual ARC volunteer, you could choose to get the forms you are “allowed/expected” to complete from the ARC directly, amd manage them as part of your own specific setup. It’s one of the reasons the custom forms capability is provided in flmsg. It avoids the need to manage/maintain/track evey possible form used by the many different served agencies out there.

Regards,

David Flad / KB3YCK
Emergency Coordinator
Chester County ARES/RACES