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Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Al Massaro
 

Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Steve Hansen
 

First off, thanks to everyone who has submitted materials either through this forum or direct. I think we have enough fodder.


Our team is ARES/RACES-CERT and we have quarterly exercises with the county plus statewide exercises and a bunch of community service events (bike rides, charity walks and swims, etc.).


I spoke with the county director this AM. He verified that the town in question has not previously participated in any county-wide exercises nor are they yet NIMS compliant. So they've got some work to do aside from any amateur involvement. The town is also one of the more affluent ones in the county.


We have similar issues with several of the island communities. Their comms infrastructure is fragile anyway.


73, Steve KB1TCE



On 07/28/2017 11:08 AM, Randy McGill wrote:

Hi, I encourage your effort to reach out directly to your city/county government.  One of the things that I think ARES has forgotten is that we are a "public service" entity.  IMHO ARES has aligned it's function too narrowly, in that we consider it to be an auxiliary arm of governmental agencies.  ARES can serve any legitimate public service agency whether it be city, county, federal or non governmental organization providing that we don't interfere with ongoing public service communications and stay in our lane. 

N7WWA


"Never debate with an idiot.  They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."



From: nbems@groups.io <nbems@groups.io> on behalf of Tim Reimers KA4LFP <treimers95@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:16 AM
To: nbems@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nbems] Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership
 
That's kind of what and how I've seen some EM responders react.
In a crisis, the last thing they want is a new group of helpers showing up wanting to work the scene or be involved.

This is why it's critical to have a relationship with the county EM and have some pre-planned knowledge of where and how amateur radio fits in.

Otherwise that's exactly what we can be perceived as doing - Trying to horn in on a well oiled and trained machine that counts on fully understanding what resources they have, even to knowing personalities and foibles and knowing who to put where because of who can work together well and which two people not to put in the same room.

Suddenly adding a whole bunch of unknown quantities of amateur operators to that machine can make a personality-aware Fire/EMS/other incident commander go crazy, especially if the implied attitude from the ham is that "you need my help you just don't know it".
 That's why connections from higher up that are organized and planned and roles understood are so key.
 and it might quite possibly be that hams are not at the center of things and are comms for less key areas.



I have made it very clear to my employer (municipal IT) that my first duty lies with my day job of supporting IT infrastructure for fire and police, NOT going off to play radio. But, equally, that if i am not needed locally and have vacation days, I may go assist in a disaster elsewhere. I don't want my employer to go with that same line of "choose where you work, there or here".

73, Tim




_____________________

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character give him power.” - Abraham Lincoln

   

On Jul 27, 2017 9:57 PM, "WA8JXM" <wa8jxm@...> wrote:
On 7/27/17 3:26 PM, Steve Hansen wrote:
The background is that a group of hams in one of our county's towns is trying to get the attention of the town management, many of whom don't see a need for amateur radio support. In fact, they seem to have a rather passive attitude toward communications preparedness in general.

I think many officials would rather live with a problem they understand rather than rely on solutions they do not understand or control.

Many years ago (42 to be exact) I was RACES RO and a volunteer firefighter/EMT.   I mentioned to my fire chief that in any large area disaster I had county responsibilities.  His response was that I needed to make my choice.   That's when I pretty much got out of ham radio and MARS for many years.

A fire chief knows how to run his department.   Dealing with other organizations and people in the middle is usually  a distraction and many will find it more effective to just concentrate on the task in front of them.  When resources are stretched, communications is not the main issue, trained personnel and equipment is the issue.

I am just trying to give some perspective from the other side.

73, Ken WA8JXM






fldigi 4.0.9.6 alpha posted

Dave
 

Some changes to the PSK IMD display.


    RX Text capture
   
      * Fix loss of capture when Rx text scrolls or user's
        mouse clicks off of the target

    PSK s/n imd
   
      * Changed s/n display code to avoid displaying misleading values
      * Changed Noise/Offset/IMD test signal generator
          IMD can be specified in dB and signal will correctly emulate
          an over driven transmit signal.  IMD generator modified to
          correctly computer 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th  harmonics of PSK
          fundamental (15.625 Hertz).
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      * Added Test Signal Dialog with
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          IMD
          tx freq offset
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    PSK viewer
   
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Files ending in the extension "dmg" are Apple OS-X disk image files
(see https://www.lifewire.com/dmg-file-2620719)

Files ending in "gz", "tgz" are source code gzipped compressed archive
files (see: https://www.lifewire.com/what-are-tgz-gz-files-2622391)

Files ending in "setup.exe" are Windows installation files.  Usable on
Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10.

Files ending in "zip" are compressed archive files.  The leading text
should give you a good idea as to what is in the archive.


73, David, W1HKJ

Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Dave Harr <martaban@...>
 

One last thing . . .  your initial post asked about materials for presentation.


Rather than starting from hams trying to be convince officials of our usefulness, sometimes the perspective of a professional is more convincing.  I found these presentations of various lengths, by recent FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate to be interesting and useful.  They are of different length, so probably for different audiences.  Just a couple of additional arrows for your quiver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC6G4spjQ7w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbmxOooEYI


And a longer one, on Ham Radio Now, after he left office in which he ranges a bit further afield looking into the


http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2017/february/former-fema-fugate-on-ham-radio-now.htm


I love his quote "If you have the luxury of being exclusionary, it's probably not a bad disaster!"  There may be some other nuggets in here you can use.


Regards, es 73


Dave Harr

KF9IO

On July 28, 2017 at 10:48 AM Steve Hansen <shansen@...> wrote:

First off, thanks to everyone who has submitted materials either through this forum or direct. I think we have enough fodder.


Our team is ARES/RACES-CERT and we have quarterly exercises with the county plus statewide exercises and a bunch of community service events (bike rides, charity walks and swims, etc.).


I spoke with the county director this AM. He verified that the town in question has not previously participated in any county-wide exercises nor are they yet NIMS compliant. So they've got some work to do aside from any amateur involvement. The town is also one of the more affluent ones in the county.


We have similar issues with several of the island communities. Their comms infrastructure is fragile anyway.


73, Steve KB1TCE



On 07/28/2017 11:08 AM, Randy McGill wrote:

Hi, I encourage your effort to reach out directly to your city/county government.  One of the things that I think ARES has forgotten is that we are a "public service" entity.  IMHO ARES has aligned it's function too narrowly, in that we consider it to be an auxiliary arm of governmental agencies.  ARES can serve any legitimate public service agency whether it be city, county, federal or non governmental organization providing that we don't interfere with ongoing public service communications and stay in our lane. 

N7WWA


"Never debate with an idiot.  They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."



From: nbems@groups.io <nbems@groups.io> on behalf of Tim Reimers KA4LFP <treimers95@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:16 AM
To: nbems@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nbems] Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership
 
That's kind of what and how I've seen some EM responders react.
In a crisis, the last thing they want is a new group of helpers showing up wanting to work the scene or be involved.

This is why it's critical to have a relationship with the county EM and have some pre-planned knowledge of where and how amateur radio fits in.

Otherwise that's exactly what we can be perceived as doing - Trying to horn in on a well oiled and trained machine that counts on fully understanding what resources they have, even to knowing personalities and foibles and knowing who to put where because of who can work together well and which two people not to put in the same room.

Suddenly adding a whole bunch of unknown quantities of amateur operators to that machine can make a personality-aware Fire/EMS/other incident commander go crazy, especially if the implied attitude from the ham is that "you need my help you just don't know it".
 That's why connections from higher up that are organized and planned and roles understood are so key.
 and it might quite possibly be that hams are not at the center of things and are comms for less key areas.



I have made it very clear to my employer (municipal IT) that my first duty lies with my day job of supporting IT infrastructure for fire and police, NOT going off to play radio. But, equally, that if i am not needed locally and have vacation days, I may go assist in a disaster elsewhere. I don't want my employer to go with that same line of "choose where you work, there or here".

73, Tim




_____________________

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character give him power.” - Abraham Lincoln

   

On Jul 27, 2017 9:57 PM, "WA8JXM" <wa8jxm@...> wrote:
On 7/27/17 3:26 PM, Steve Hansen wrote:
The background is that a group of hams in one of our county's towns is trying to get the attention of the town management, many of whom don't see a need for amateur radio support. In fact, they seem to have a rather passive attitude toward communications preparedness in general.

I think many officials would rather live with a problem they understand rather than rely on solutions they do not understand or control.

Many years ago (42 to be exact) I was RACES RO and a volunteer firefighter/EMT.   I mentioned to my fire chief that in any large area disaster I had county responsibilities.  His response was that I needed to make my choice.   That's when I pretty much got out of ham radio and MARS for many years.

A fire chief knows how to run his department.   Dealing with other organizations and people in the middle is usually  a distraction and many will find it more effective to just concentrate on the task in front of them.  When resources are stretched, communications is not the main issue, trained personnel and equipment is the issue.

I am just trying to give some perspective from the other side.

73, Ken WA8JXM







 

Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Dave Harr <martaban@...>
 

On July 28, 2017 at 11:14 AM Dave Harr <martaban@...> wrote:

One last thing . . .  your initial post asked about materials for presentation.


Rather than starting from hams trying to be convince officials of our usefulness, sometimes the perspective of a professional is more convincing.  I found these presentations of various lengths, by recent FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate to be interesting and useful.  They are of different length, so probably for different audiences.  Just a couple of additional arrows for your quiver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC6G4spjQ7w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbmxOooEYI


And a longer one, on Ham Radio Now, after he left office in which he ranges a bit further afield looking into the


http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2017/february/former-fema-fugate-on-ham-radio-now.htm


I love his quote "If you have the luxury of being exclusionary, it's probably not a bad disaster!"  There may be some other nuggets in here you can use.


Regards, es 73


Dave Harr

KF9IO

On July 28, 2017 at 10:48 AM Steve Hansen <shansen@...> wrote:

First off, thanks to everyone who has submitted materials either through this forum or direct. I think we have enough fodder.


Our team is ARES/RACES-CERT and we have quarterly exercises with the county plus statewide exercises and a bunch of community service events (bike rides, charity walks and swims, etc.).


I spoke with the county director this AM. He verified that the town in question has not previously participated in any county-wide exercises nor are they yet NIMS compliant. So they've got some work to do aside from any amateur involvement. The town is also one of the more affluent ones in the county.


We have similar issues with several of the island communities. Their comms infrastructure is fragile anyway.


73, Steve KB1TCE



On 07/28/2017 11:08 AM, Randy McGill wrote:

Hi, I encourage your effort to reach out directly to your city/county government.  One of the things that I think ARES has forgotten is that we are a "public service" entity.  IMHO ARES has aligned it's function too narrowly, in that we consider it to be an auxiliary arm of governmental agencies.  ARES can serve any legitimate public service agency whether it be city, county, federal or non governmental organization providing that we don't interfere with ongoing public service communications and stay in our lane. 

N7WWA


"Never debate with an idiot.  They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."



From: nbems@groups.io <nbems@groups.io> on behalf of Tim Reimers KA4LFP <treimers95@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:16 AM
To: nbems@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nbems] Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership
 
That's kind of what and how I've seen some EM responders react.
In a crisis, the last thing they want is a new group of helpers showing up wanting to work the scene or be involved.

This is why it's critical to have a relationship with the county EM and have some pre-planned knowledge of where and how amateur radio fits in.

Otherwise that's exactly what we can be perceived as doing - Trying to horn in on a well oiled and trained machine that counts on fully understanding what resources they have, even to knowing personalities and foibles and knowing who to put where because of who can work together well and which two people not to put in the same room.

Suddenly adding a whole bunch of unknown quantities of amateur operators to that machine can make a personality-aware Fire/EMS/other incident commander go crazy, especially if the implied attitude from the ham is that "you need my help you just don't know it".
 That's why connections from higher up that are organized and planned and roles understood are so key.
 and it might quite possibly be that hams are not at the center of things and are comms for less key areas.



I have made it very clear to my employer (municipal IT) that my first duty lies with my day job of supporting IT infrastructure for fire and police, NOT going off to play radio. But, equally, that if i am not needed locally and have vacation days, I may go assist in a disaster elsewhere. I don't want my employer to go with that same line of "choose where you work, there or here".

73, Tim




_____________________

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character give him power.” - Abraham Lincoln

   

On Jul 27, 2017 9:57 PM, "WA8JXM" <wa8jxm@...> wrote:
On 7/27/17 3:26 PM, Steve Hansen wrote:
The background is that a group of hams in one of our county's towns is trying to get the attention of the town management, many of whom don't see a need for amateur radio support. In fact, they seem to have a rather passive attitude toward communications preparedness in general.

I think many officials would rather live with a problem they understand rather than rely on solutions they do not understand or control.

Many years ago (42 to be exact) I was RACES RO and a volunteer firefighter/EMT.   I mentioned to my fire chief that in any large area disaster I had county responsibilities.  His response was that I needed to make my choice.   That's when I pretty much got out of ham radio and MARS for many years.

A fire chief knows how to run his department.   Dealing with other organizations and people in the middle is usually  a distraction and many will find it more effective to just concentrate on the task in front of them.  When resources are stretched, communications is not the main issue, trained personnel and equipment is the issue.

I am just trying to give some perspective from the other side.

73, Ken WA8JXM







 


 

Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Steve Hansen
 

For those of you who might be interested in what we're doing in Maine,
the Maine ARES web site is at http://maine-ares.org/

This site is about a year old and replaces a legacy site that was
abandoned a goodly number of years ago. I pick at it as time permits but
the basics are there. The big project for the next few months is to
update the old (2010) comms plan which is quite long in the tooth.

There are some message exercises that are intended to be accomplished by
individuals. These are linked from the top of the home page. There's a
fair amount on flmsg including this page:
http://maine-ares.org/digital_flmsg.htm

Direct link to a presentation on flmsg custom forms given at the Maine
Partners in Emergency Preparedness (April 2017) is here:
http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/attach.php?id=754879&an=3 This
covers the origins of the "Agency" GUI, the Red Cross forms and moving
flmsg files though a wifi network as attachments to instant messages.

The Traffic page includes the latest documentation from Radio Relay
International.

A lot of the info and links received on this thread will be used to
expand the content.

73, Steve KB1TCE

Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Tim Reimers KA4LFP
 

I would strongly agree with Dave -- 

Interfacing with your County EM and bringing him or a representative along to discuss the usefulness of amateur radio is probably a _very_ good idea -- the elected are already used to hearing from such a person, and the EM or other liason would probably be the first go-to person the elected would ask about "what is this, does it make sense"
If they're standing right next to you when you're talking to the elected officials, that will help credibility IMMENSELY, rather than trying to go it alone, and potentially appearing as if you're trying to bypass the local EM and his staff.


On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Dave Harr <martaban@...> wrote:

One last thing . . .  your initial post asked about materials for presentation.


Rather than starting from hams trying to be convince officials of our usefulness, sometimes the perspective of a professional is more convincing.  I found these presentations of various lengths, by recent FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate to be interesting and useful.  They are of different length, so probably for different audiences.  Just a couple of additional arrows for your quiver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC6G4spjQ7w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbmxOooEYI


And a longer one, on Ham Radio Now, after he left office in which he ranges a bit further afield looking into the


http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2017/february/former-fema-fugate-on-ham-radio-now.htm


I love his quote "If you have the luxury of being exclusionary, it's probably not a bad disaster!"  There may be some other nuggets in here you can use.


Regards, es 73


Dave Harr

KF9IO

On July 28, 2017 at 10:48 AM Steve Hansen <shansen@...> wrote:

First off, thanks to everyone who has submitted materials either through this forum or direct. I think we have enough fodder.


Our team is ARES/RACES-CERT and we have quarterly exercises with the county plus statewide exercises and a bunch of community service events (bike rides, charity walks and swims, etc.).


I spoke with the county director this AM. He verified that the town in question has not previously participated in any county-wide exercises nor are they yet NIMS compliant. So they've got some work to do aside from any amateur involvement. The town is also one of the more affluent ones in the county.


We have similar issues with several of the island communities. Their comms infrastructure is fragile anyway.


73, Steve KB1TCE



On 07/28/2017 11:08 AM, Randy McGill wrote:

Hi, I encourage your effort to reach out directly to your city/county government.  One of the things that I think ARES has forgotten is that we are a "public service" entity.  IMHO ARES has aligned it's function too narrowly, in that we consider it to be an auxiliary arm of governmental agencies.  ARES can serve any legitimate public service agency whether it be city, county, federal or non governmental organization providing that we don't interfere with ongoing public service communications and stay in our lane. 

N7WWA


"Never debate with an idiot.  They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."



From: nbems@groups.io <nbems@groups.io> on behalf of Tim Reimers KA4LFP <treimers95@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:16 AM
To: nbems@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nbems] Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership
 
That's kind of what and how I've seen some EM responders react.
In a crisis, the last thing they want is a new group of helpers showing up wanting to work the scene or be involved.

This is why it's critical to have a relationship with the county EM and have some pre-planned knowledge of where and how amateur radio fits in.

Otherwise that's exactly what we can be perceived as doing - Trying to horn in on a well oiled and trained machine that counts on fully understanding what resources they have, even to knowing personalities and foibles and knowing who to put where because of who can work together well and which two people not to put in the same room.

Suddenly adding a whole bunch of unknown quantities of amateur operators to that machine can make a personality-aware Fire/EMS/other incident commander go crazy, especially if the implied attitude from the ham is that "you need my help you just don't know it".
 That's why connections from higher up that are organized and planned and roles understood are so key.
 and it might quite possibly be that hams are not at the center of things and are comms for less key areas.



I have made it very clear to my employer (municipal IT) that my first duty lies with my day job of supporting IT infrastructure for fire and police, NOT going off to play radio. But, equally, that if i am not needed locally and have vacation days, I may go assist in a disaster elsewhere. I don't want my employer to go with that same line of "choose where you work, there or here".

73, Tim




_____________________

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character give him power.” - Abraham Lincoln

   

On Jul 27, 2017 9:57 PM, "WA8JXM" <wa8jxm@...> wrote:
On 7/27/17 3:26 PM, Steve Hansen wrote:
The background is that a group of hams in one of our county's towns is trying to get the attention of the town management, many of whom don't see a need for amateur radio support. In fact, they seem to have a rather passive attitude toward communications preparedness in general.

I think many officials would rather live with a problem they understand rather than rely on solutions they do not understand or control.

Many years ago (42 to be exact) I was RACES RO and a volunteer firefighter/EMT.   I mentioned to my fire chief that in any large area disaster I had county responsibilities.  His response was that I needed to make my choice.   That's when I pretty much got out of ham radio and MARS for many years.

A fire chief knows how to run his department.   Dealing with other organizations and people in the middle is usually  a distraction and many will find it more effective to just concentrate on the task in front of them.  When resources are stretched, communications is not the main issue, trained personnel and equipment is the issue.

I am just trying to give some perspective from the other side.

73, Ken WA8JXM







 




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Re: Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership

Steve Hansen
 

Oh yes, the county director is part of this and will be attending. After all, it's his group. (Plus he's the one who writes the equipment grant requests.) The presenters will be the hams who live in the town and who are committing to provide support.

73, Steve KB1TCE


On 07/28/2017 03:49 PM, Tim Reimers KA4LFP wrote:
I would strongly agree with Dave -- 

Interfacing with your County EM and bringing him or a representative along to discuss the usefulness of amateur radio is probably a _very_ good idea -- the elected are already used to hearing from such a person, and the EM or other liason would probably be the first go-to person the elected would ask about "what is this, does it make sense"
If they're standing right next to you when you're talking to the elected officials, that will help credibility IMMENSELY, rather than trying to go it alone, and potentially appearing as if you're trying to bypass the local EM and his staff.


On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Dave Harr <martaban@...> wrote:

One last thing . . .  your initial post asked about materials for presentation.


Rather than starting from hams trying to be convince officials of our usefulness, sometimes the perspective of a professional is more convincing.  I found these presentations of various lengths, by recent FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate to be interesting and useful.  They are of different length, so probably for different audiences.  Just a couple of additional arrows for your quiver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC6G4spjQ7w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbmxOooEYI


And a longer one, on Ham Radio Now, after he left office in which he ranges a bit further afield looking into the


http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2017/february/former-fema-fugate-on-ham-radio-now.htm


I love his quote "If you have the luxury of being exclusionary, it's probably not a bad disaster!"  There may be some other nuggets in here you can use.


Regards, es 73


Dave Harr

KF9IO

On July 28, 2017 at 10:48 AM Steve Hansen <shansen@...> wrote:

First off, thanks to everyone who has submitted materials either through this forum or direct. I think we have enough fodder.


Our team is ARES/RACES-CERT and we have quarterly exercises with the county plus statewide exercises and a bunch of community service events (bike rides, charity walks and swims, etc.).


I spoke with the county director this AM. He verified that the town in question has not previously participated in any county-wide exercises nor are they yet NIMS compliant. So they've got some work to do aside from any amateur involvement. The town is also one of the more affluent ones in the county.


We have similar issues with several of the island communities. Their comms infrastructure is fragile anyway.


73, Steve KB1TCE



On 07/28/2017 11:08 AM, Randy McGill wrote:

Hi, I encourage your effort to reach out directly to your city/county government.  One of the things that I think ARES has forgotten is that we are a "public service" entity.  IMHO ARES has aligned it's function too narrowly, in that we consider it to be an auxiliary arm of governmental agencies.  ARES can serve any legitimate public service agency whether it be city, county, federal or non governmental organization providing that we don't interfere with ongoing public service communications and stay in our lane. 

N7WWA


"Never debate with an idiot.  They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."



From: nbems@groups.io <nbems@groups.io> on behalf of Tim Reimers KA4LFP <treimers95@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:16 AM
To: nbems@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nbems] Basic Ham Emcomm Presentation for Town Leadership
 
That's kind of what and how I've seen some EM responders react.
In a crisis, the last thing they want is a new group of helpers showing up wanting to work the scene or be involved.

This is why it's critical to have a relationship with the county EM and have some pre-planned knowledge of where and how amateur radio fits in.

Otherwise that's exactly what we can be perceived as doing - Trying to horn in on a well oiled and trained machine that counts on fully understanding what resources they have, even to knowing personalities and foibles and knowing who to put where because of who can work together well and which two people not to put in the same room.

Suddenly adding a whole bunch of unknown quantities of amateur operators to that machine can make a personality-aware Fire/EMS/other incident commander go crazy, especially if the implied attitude from the ham is that "you need my help you just don't know it".
 That's why connections from higher up that are organized and planned and roles understood are so key.
 and it might quite possibly be that hams are not at the center of things and are comms for less key areas.



I have made it very clear to my employer (municipal IT) that my first duty lies with my day job of supporting IT infrastructure for fire and police, NOT going off to play radio. But, equally, that if i am not needed locally and have vacation days, I may go assist in a disaster elsewhere. I don't want my employer to go with that same line of "choose where you work, there or here".

73, Tim




_____________________

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character give him power.” - Abraham Lincoln

   

On Jul 27, 2017 9:57 PM, "WA8JXM" <wa8jxm@...> wrote:
On 7/27/17 3:26 PM, Steve Hansen wrote:
The background is that a group of hams in one of our county's towns is trying to get the attention of the town management, many of whom don't see a need for amateur radio support. In fact, they seem to have a rather passive attitude toward communications preparedness in general.

I think many officials would rather live with a problem they understand rather than rely on solutions they do not understand or control.

Many years ago (42 to be exact) I was RACES RO and a volunteer firefighter/EMT.   I mentioned to my fire chief that in any large area disaster I had county responsibilities.  His response was that I needed to make my choice.   That's when I pretty much got out of ham radio and MARS for many years.

A fire chief knows how to run his department.   Dealing with other organizations and people in the middle is usually  a distraction and many will find it more effective to just concentrate on the task in front of them.  When resources are stretched, communications is not the main issue, trained personnel and equipment is the issue.

I am just trying to give some perspective from the other side.

73, Ken WA8JXM







 




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Shortwave Radiogram, 29-30 July 2017

kd9xb
 

Here is the lineup for Shortwave Radiogram, program 6, 29-30 July 2017, all in MFSK32 except where noted:

 1:31  Program preview

 2:44  China steps up efforts against unauthorized VPNs*

 8:25  Iran tests rocket capable of launching satellites*

13:01  Daimler CEO touts diesel car engines*

19:33  Olivia 64-2000: Czech Republic car production increases

23:57  MFSK32: Image* and closing announcements*

* with image

http://swradiogram.net/post/163524121472/shortwave-radiogram-29-30-july-2017-no-vpn

Kim
KD9XB

fldigi 4.0.9.8 alpha test install

Dave
 

Download from the W1HKJ web site:
Changes to the PSK s/n and imd computation:
  1. s/n and imd is ONLY measured during the idle signal interval.
  2. if the absolute value of IMD is greater than the absolute value of S/N; set IMD equal to -S/N
  3. if S/N is less than or equal to 20 OR IMD is greater (+) than -15 then IMD display shows "IMD n/a"
  4. all other, display S/N and IMD with TIMEOUT and DIM/CLEAR as configured on the PSK config tab.

This logic may help to prevent displaying bogus S/N and IMD values.

Dave


Files ending in the extension "dmg" are Apple OS-X disk image files
(see https://www.lifewire.com/dmg-file-2620719)

Files ending in "gz", "tgz" are source code gzipped compressed archive
files (see: https://www.lifewire.com/what-are-tgz-gz-files-2622391)

Files ending in "setup.exe" are Windows installation files.  Usable on
Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10.

Files ending in "zip" are compressed archive files.  The leading text
should give you a good idea as to what is in the archive.

Files ending in "pdf" are Adobe Reader compatible files in "print document
format".  A very common file format.  The leading text should give you a
good idea as to what is in the reader file.

Files ending in "txt" are always plain text, readable using a browser,
a text editor, etal.



PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

Eric Carlson
 

I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

   I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN

Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

Dave
 

Install the latest audio device drivers for each audio device on the computer.  Do NOT use the Microsoft default drivers.  Download the drivers from the h/w manufacturer.  Do this for all of the audio devices, not just the SignaLink-USB.

David, W1HKJ



On 07/30/2017 02:50 PM, Eric Carlson wrote:
I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

   I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN

Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

Eric Carlson
 

Thanks. Do you (or anyone else) know what manufacturer driver is used for the SignaLink?

- Eric, AJ4LN

Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

 

The manufacturer is Tigertronics. I would check their page.
 
James B Stafford


On Sunday, July 30, 2017 4:21 PM, Eric Carlson <ECarlson@...> wrote:


Thanks. Do you (or anyone else) know what manufacturer driver is used for the SignaLink?

- Eric, AJ4LN


Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

N3FMO
 

I had fldigi running for about a year and everything worked fine.  Suddenly I discovered I could no longer decode Olivia or MT63.  After weeks of experimenting I threw in the towel and reverted back to Windows 7.  Everything works fine now!


Harry, N3FMO

ARES EC for Lancaster County, PA

On July 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM Eric Carlson <ECarlson@...> wrote:

I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

   I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN

Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

 

From the SignaLink page: "drivers are always provided directly by the Operating System."
 
James B Stafford


On Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:29 PM, N3FMO <harrybauder@...> wrote:


I had fldigi running for about a year and everything worked fine.  Suddenly I discovered I could no longer decode Olivia or MT63.  After weeks of experimenting I threw in the towel and reverted back to Windows 7.  Everything works fine now!

Harry, N3FMO
ARES EC for Lancaster County, PA
On July 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM Eric Carlson <ECarlson@...> wrote:

I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

   I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN


Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

Marvin Penepent
 

I have Windows 10 and running FLDIGI 4.0.8 and use it for MARS as well as HAM. No problems with it at all.


Larry
KF5MLP

------ Original Message ------
From: "James Stafford AJ5BS" <aj5bs@...>
Sent: 7/30/2017 6:34:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nbems] PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

From the SignaLink page: "drivers are always provided directly by the Operating System."
 
James B Stafford


On Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:29 PM, N3FMO <harrybauder@...> wrote:


I had fldigi running for about a year and everything worked fine.  Suddenly I discovered I could no longer decode Olivia or MT63.  After weeks of experimenting I threw in the towel and reverted back to Windows 7.  Everything works fine now!

Harry, N3FMO
ARES EC for Lancaster County, PA
On July 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM Eric Carlson <ECarlson@...> wrote:

I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

   I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN


Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

Marty Hartwell
 

Hi

I don't know for certain sure but I think if you download the manufacturers driver for the internal sound card
and install it you then see the system recognize the signal link codex sound card. If I remember correctly and of
the other disclaimers.

Marty kd8bj

On 07/30/2017 06:34 PM, James Stafford AJ5BS wrote:
From the SignaLink page: "drivers are always provided directly by the Operating System."
James B Stafford


On Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:29 PM, N3FMO <harrybauder@...> wrote:


I had fldigi running for about a year and everything worked fine. Suddenly I discovered I could no longer decode Olivia or MT63. After weeks of experimenting I threw in the towel and reverted back to Windows 7. Everything works fine now!

Harry, N3FMO
ARES EC for Lancaster County, PA
On July 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM Eric Carlson <ECarlson@...> wrote:

I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN

Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

W Paul Mills AC0HY
 

Dave, I hate to say anything, because I have been belittled here before speaking up. Seems strange that Audacity uses port audio without problems, but fldigi cannot. I took your advice, and it broke other things permanently. Yup fldigi works, but I had to throw other hardware away because no longer useful.

And the SignaLink drivers are fine. It will probably be the drivers for the original sound device in the computer that will be the problem.

On 07/30/2017 03:23 PM, Dave wrote:
Install the latest audio device drivers for each audio device on the computer. Do NOT use the Microsoft default drivers. Download the drivers from the h/w manufacturer. Do this for all of the audio devices, not just the SignaLink-USB.
David, W1HKJ
On 07/30/2017 02:50 PM, Eric Carlson wrote:
I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN
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Re: PortAudio error Windows 10 FLDigi 4.0.8

Dave
 

Audacity uses a modified version of Portaudio on Windows.  Probably because the Audacity programmers also encountered similar issues with Windows 10.  Can you tell me if your friends computer is a new Windows 10, or an update from Windows-7 or Windows -8?  An update might have left original Win7/8 audio drivers in place.  Those might not be fully Windows-10 compliant.   Portaudio queries the OS for the list of audio devices and then tests them for sample rate availability.  The last person I assisted with a Windows-10 audio driver problem was Manu, EA5AEL.  He has a television card installed in his system, SVEON.  The audio driver for that device causes a Portaudio initialization failure.  Manu was able to resolve the failure by disabling the SVEON device in the Windows audio device manager.

You can run this program discover and report the specs on each audio device on a Windows computer,


pa_devs.zip

Download the file and unzip to the desktop.  Run the file pa_devs and it will produce two output files, "pa_debut.txt", "results.txt".  Send the two files to me at my return address.

73, Dave, W1HKJ

On 08/01/2017 04:35 PM, W Paul Mills wrote:
Dave, I hate to say anything, because I have been belittled here before speaking up. Seems strange that Audacity uses port audio without problems, but fldigi cannot. I took your advice, and it broke other things permanently. Yup fldigi works, but I had to throw other hardware away because no longer useful.

And the SignaLink drivers are fine. It will probably be the drivers for the original sound device in the computer that will be the problem.

On 07/30/2017 03:23 PM, Dave wrote:
Install the latest audio device drivers for each audio device on the computer.  Do NOT use the Microsoft default drivers.  Download the drivers from the h/w manufacturer.  Do this for all of the audio devices, not just the SignaLink-USB.

David, W1HKJ



On 07/30/2017 02:50 PM, Eric Carlson wrote:
I'm helping a fellow ham set up FLDigi on his Windows 10 computer. I have it set up and working fine on my Windows 10 computer. On his computer, the PortAudio option is grayed out. He is using a SignaLink USB, and we tested it with the latest version of Audacity (2.1.3), and Audacity recorded sound from his radio fine.

FLDigi shows no audio devices, and the last line of the FLDIGI log says the following:

   I: delayed_startup: PortAudio error: Internal PortAudio error

He has a few other ham apps that are working (WSJT-X, CW Get, and possibly others). I guess they access the sound devices differently.

His Windows 10 has all the latest updates applied.

Are any other apps known to interfere with PortAudio?

How do I help him get PortAudio working on his PC?

- Eric, AJ4LN