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Emergency Power

Rodney Tanner
 

I came across this while researching for backup power for my home.
It is call Generlink.  http://www.generlink.com/
You need to go Generlink and see how works.
There is generator list that show which generator works with Generlink.
http://www.generlink.com/files/134134882.pdf
I email Dominion Energy to see if it used in Aiken, SC
 


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

Carl Juvrud
 

My brother just bought this one from Amazon.

I like the idea of dual fuel, gas and propane.  He has a couple of 20 lb tanks.  It would be especially neat if you already have a big propane tank.

Carl

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:51 PM WB5NHL <dave@...> wrote:
I think you have a good idea.  By controlling the load in the house via circuit breakers you can control the load to the generator without using extension cords in the house. For example in an emergency your refrigerator doesn't nee to run often. Just enough to keep things cool with the door shut. This is what I did for a week without power during the 2014 ice storm. Lights etc in only occupied rooms. Controlling the load also optimizes your gasoline use since power outages affect gas stations. Which is also a point, you need safe gasoline storage, at least for a few days.  I also used a space heater for an occupied room since I don't have enough capacity for the central HVAC. Fortunately, in SC we don't get really cold enough worry about frozen pipes.

BTW, my neighbor bought a whole-house natural gas generator 2014. No use since. There's was a Genrac unit. After watching the amount of service it's need I'm not sure I would use Genrac or invest the money.


On 7/6/2020 1:26 PM, Rodney Tanner wrote:
I think I am going to go a different way.  Harbor Freight Predator 9000 watt generator and use manual transfer switch 10 circuit panel.  This way I can run essentials in the house when the power goes out. I thinks I will able to turn off the breaker for study ham shack on the main panel. Then run the generator turn the break on for the study ham shack and the rest off in the transfer switch panel.  Have to talk to an electrician about it to see if is possible.

Essentials are Central heating and air conditioning, range, garage door, Master bedroom, refrigerator, study ham shack, kitchen outlets and kitchen lights.


-- 
Dave, WB5NHL
5BDXCC, 312 countries confirmed
@dkjellqu

--
Dave,  WB5NHL
Treasurer,  NABRC


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

WB5NHL
 

I think you have a good idea.  By controlling the load in the house via circuit breakers you can control the load to the generator without using extension cords in the house. For example in an emergency your refrigerator doesn't nee to run often. Just enough to keep things cool with the door shut. This is what I did for a week without power during the 2014 ice storm. Lights etc in only occupied rooms. Controlling the load also optimizes your gasoline use since power outages affect gas stations. Which is also a point, you need safe gasoline storage, at least for a few days.  I also used a space heater for an occupied room since I don't have enough capacity for the central HVAC. Fortunately, in SC we don't get really cold enough worry about frozen pipes.

BTW, my neighbor bought a whole-house natural gas generator 2014. No use since. There's was a Genrac unit. After watching the amount of service it's need I'm not sure I would use Genrac or invest the money.


On 7/6/2020 1:26 PM, Rodney Tanner wrote:
I think I am going to go a different way.  Harbor Freight Predator 9000 watt generator and use manual transfer switch 10 circuit panel.  This way I can run essentials in the house when the power goes out. I thinks I will able to turn off the breaker for study ham shack on the main panel. Then run the generator turn the break on for the study ham shack and the rest off in the transfer switch panel.  Have to talk to an electrician about it to see if is possible.

Essentials are Central heating and air conditioning, range, garage door, Master bedroom, refrigerator, study ham shack, kitchen outlets and kitchen lights.


-- 
Dave, WB5NHL
5BDXCC, 312 countries confirmed
@dkjellqu

--
Dave,  WB5NHL
Treasurer,  NABRC


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

jay rogers
 

I am with you on doing the same thing at my place adding a Preadator Generator to my shack and to my RV camper.


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 17:34 Rodney Tanner <wm4rt.hamradio@...> wrote:
I am getting ready for next year ARRL Field Day.
I am going get a Harbor Freight Predator 3500 Watt Inverter Generator,
I am going wire my study/ham shack with a receptacle
that will connected to an outside water proof receptacle. That way
I can plug the generator into it to use as emergency power for
field day.  Got 11 months to get it done.  Also going to get a garden
wagon to haul the generator.


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

Rodney Tanner
 

I think I am going to go a different way.  Harbor Freight Predator 9000 watt generator and use manual transfer switch 10 circuit panel.  This way I can run essentials in the house when the power goes out. I thinks I will able to turn off the breaker for study ham shack on the main panel. Then run the generator turn the break on for the study ham shack and the rest off in the transfer switch panel.  Have to talk to an electrician about it to see if is possible.

Essentials are Central heating and air conditioning, range, garage door, Master bedroom, refrigerator, study ham shack, kitchen outlets and kitchen lights.


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

WB5NHL
 

I watched video and agree regarding and inverter generator.  Exactly what Carl experienced.  However I still found the inverter in the video objectionable even with the filters.  What Bob DIDN'T show was a generator like my Champion....  no noise at all   nothing to hear (or see with Flex radio) with 100 ft of extension cord.
Inverter generators are good like weight etc for utility use not near sensitive RF (my opinion).


On 7/5/2020 8:49 PM, Rodney Tanner wrote:
I watch this YouTube from ARRL about generators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOH7Ze7wreQ
I will not be using a 100 cord. The generator would
be on the back of house. My wiring would be under
20 feet with RF filter.


-- 
Dave, WB5NHL
5BDXCC, 312 countries confirmed
@dkjellqu

--
Dave,  WB5NHL
Treasurer,  NABRC


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

Rodney Tanner
 

I watch this YouTube from ARRL about generators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOH7Ze7wreQ
I will not be using a 100 cord. The generator would
be on the back of house. My wiring would be under
20 feet with RF filter.


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

WB5NHL
 

The generator Carl is referring to is a 4cycle Champion brand I bought at Tractor Supply. Works great starts easy ran for 24 hrs at a couple of FD.

On Jul 5, 2020 5:46 PM, Carl Juvrud <cjuvrud@...> wrote:
Rodney,
Nothing like being prepared!!!   Be careful which generator you choose.  I bought a small Ryobi 2k inverter years back, and discovered it made noise on the ham bands.  You may find that a low priced "inverter generator" is not the way to go.  Dave (WB5NHL) runs a Champion 3.5k conventional generator at our field days and it does not make RF noise. It's not as quiet but it works well.  I'm sure the honda 2k inverter is rf quiet, but it sure is expensive.
73
Carl KP2L

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:34 PM Rodney Tanner <wm4rt.hamradio@...> wrote:
I am getting ready for next year ARRL Field Day.
I am going get a Harbor Freight Predator 3500 Watt Inverter Generator,
I am going wire my study/ham shack with a receptacle
that will connected to an outside water proof receptacle. That way
I can plug the generator into it to use as emergency power for
field day.  Got 11 months to get it done.  Also going to get a garden
wagon to haul the generator.



--
Dave,  WB5NHL
Treasurer,  NABRC


Re: Next year ARRL Field Day

Carl Juvrud
 

Rodney,
Nothing like being prepared!!!   Be careful which generator you choose.  I bought a small Ryobi 2k inverter years back, and discovered it made noise on the ham bands.  You may find that a low priced "inverter generator" is not the way to go.  Dave (WB5NHL) runs a Champion 3.5k conventional generator at our field days and it does not make RF noise. It's not as quiet but it works well.  I'm sure the honda 2k inverter is rf quiet, but it sure is expensive.
73
Carl KP2L

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:34 PM Rodney Tanner <wm4rt.hamradio@...> wrote:
I am getting ready for next year ARRL Field Day.
I am going get a Harbor Freight Predator 3500 Watt Inverter Generator,
I am going wire my study/ham shack with a receptacle
that will connected to an outside water proof receptacle. That way
I can plug the generator into it to use as emergency power for
field day.  Got 11 months to get it done.  Also going to get a garden
wagon to haul the generator.


Next year ARRL Field Day

Rodney Tanner
 

I am getting ready for next year ARRL Field Day.
I am going get a Harbor Freight Predator 3500 Watt Inverter Generator,
I am going wire my study/ham shack with a receptacle
that will connected to an outside water proof receptacle. That way
I can plug the generator into it to use as emergency power for
field day.  Got 11 months to get it done.  Also going to get a garden
wagon to haul the generator.


Re: Field Day ?

Rodney Tanner
 

Guess I need to see how long my battery will last on my laptop running FT8.
Then how long it would take to recharge.  I can run my Icom 7300 of a Deep Cycle
battery.


Re: Field Day ?

Kevan Nason
 

Rule 7.3.1 100% Emergency Power says "... All transmitting equipment at the site must operate from a power source completely independent of the commercial power mains to qualify." 
~ and ~
ARRL 2020 Field Day FAQ says:
"Q. What equipment at our Field Day site must be operated off of the emergency power in order to claim the 100-point per transmitter bonus?
A. You must operate all transmitting and receiving equipment from emergency power. If you use a computer for digital modes, and/or to control or operate the radio, it also must use emergency power. If the computer is used only for logging and is not keying the transmitter, it does not need to be emergency powered."
Sounds to me that you need to figure out how you used your computer. If just logging, nope. You didn't have to power the computer from the generator. If you used function keys to key the rig, ran your microphone through the computer sound card, used it for digital contacts, or in any way let the computer "touch" the rig for transmitting or receiving, then yes it had to have been emergency powered.

Kevan N4XL


Field Day ?

Rodney Tanner
 

Field Day question,
Radio is running on emergency power.  Does the computer has to be running on
emergency power as well? This for home use.


Re: Generators

DAVE MILLHOUSE
 

Same here! I agree 100%!!!

Dave, N6YMM



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-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis <denlap99@...>
Date: 7/1/20 07:41 (GMT-05:00)
To: nabrc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nabrc] Generators

I have a Honda 1000i and it handles a 100 watt radio no problem.  The Honda 2200i would be more than adequate and can be used at home to power a refrig or freezer easily, and it is still portable.

Pete K1OYQ 


From: nabrc@groups.io <nabrc@groups.io> on behalf of Rodney Tanner <wm4rt.hamradio@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 8:11 PM
To: nabrc@groups.io <nabrc@groups.io>
Subject: [nabrc] Generators
 
What size generator would I need to power a Desktop computer,Monitor, MFJ switching power supply and Icom 7300 to use as emergency power for Field Day.


Re: Generators

Dennis
 

I have a Honda 1000i and it handles a 100 watt radio no problem.  The Honda 2200i would be more than adequate and can be used at home to power a refrig or freezer easily, and it is still portable.

Pete K1OYQ 


From: nabrc@groups.io <nabrc@groups.io> on behalf of Rodney Tanner <wm4rt.hamradio@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 8:11 PM
To: nabrc@groups.io <nabrc@groups.io>
Subject: [nabrc] Generators
 
What size generator would I need to power a Desktop computer,Monitor, MFJ switching power supply and Icom 7300 to use as emergency power for Field Day.


Generators

Rodney Tanner
 

What size generator would I need to power a Desktop computer,Monitor, MFJ switching power supply and Icom 7300 to use as emergency power for Field Day.


Field Day Info

Rodney Tanner
 

I just when through WSJT-X 2,2 User Guide and learn this about field day contacts using FT8.
The following is a contact.
CQ FD K1ABC FN42
                             K1ABC W9XYZ 6A WI
W9XYZ K1ABC R 2B EMA
                             K1ABC W9XYZ RR73

I lost about 5 contact because I was not getting a 73 reply and did not count them as contact.
Have to remember this next year,


Re: A Wild Thought

Carl Juvrud
 

Kevan,
The NABRC club has been meeting via Zoom for the past few months.  If you would like to give a presentation to the club via Zoom, August is open. Let me know.
tnx/73
Carl KP2L

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:55 AM Kevan Nason <knason00@...> wrote:
The AV-680 style antennas with counterpoises like that work better being high off the ground Rodney so it is worth a try. Always fun to experiment! Not sure how high you have it now or even if you have it up at all.  Generally speaking 10 ft is still kind of low, especially for 40 and 80 meters, but it is much better than just a couple feet up. I once owned and R5 and it worked good at 10 feet when I lived near a salt marsh in Rhode Island, but once I moved inland it really needed to be up high in the air before I accepted its performance. I bought an R7 a few years back that I will someday put up. After my R5 experience and also reading N6LF's studies about verticals I decided when I get around to using it I will get it up to at least 20 feet using some of those army surplus poles.

By the way, when in high school a science teacher put up a multi-band vertical on top of the school in the center of the roof. It was 80 feet in the air and had a 200 x 200 ft 1/4 inch steel plate across the entire roof top. It was a killer antenna. Wish I had a set up like that now! 

I did a talk to the Swamp Fox Contest Group about how I made my verticals work here. Maybe when the virus stuff settles down I can give it to NABARC.

Kevan N4XL


Re: A Wild Thought

Kevan Nason
 

The AV-680 style antennas with counterpoises like that work better being high off the ground Rodney so it is worth a try. Always fun to experiment! Not sure how high you have it now or even if you have it up at all.  Generally speaking 10 ft is still kind of low, especially for 40 and 80 meters, but it is much better than just a couple feet up. I once owned and R5 and it worked good at 10 feet when I lived near a salt marsh in Rhode Island, but once I moved inland it really needed to be up high in the air before I accepted its performance. I bought an R7 a few years back that I will someday put up. After my R5 experience and also reading N6LF's studies about verticals I decided when I get around to using it I will get it up to at least 20 feet using some of those army surplus poles.

By the way, when in high school a science teacher put up a multi-band vertical on top of the school in the center of the roof. It was 80 feet in the air and had a 200 x 200 ft 1/4 inch steel plate across the entire roof top. It was a killer antenna. Wish I had a set up like that now! 

I did a talk to the Swamp Fox Contest Group about how I made my verticals work here. Maybe when the virus stuff settles down I can give it to NABARC.

Kevan N4XL


A Wild Thought

Rodney Tanner
 

I had a thought about using a Purple Martin pole. The one that rises and lower the Martin pods. Wondering if it could be modified so it can be used with a ham antenna. It would be for a HY=Gain AV-680 9 Band Vertical antenna to get it 10 feet above the ground. Will be guying the antenna.  Any thought on the idea?
I put it on Facebook to see if hams have thought about it. Just waiting for a response

Rodney