Camping-car Park


Andy Clarke
 

Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of around 200 aires in France.

They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you! They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage: 


Carol Weaver
 

People who never go abroad can’t do it as have no card. Bit short sighted I think

On some you should be able to tick multiple boxes. 

Done

Can’t say I’m a fan personally I try to avoid them. They’ve just put up prices and provide WiFi (but only in certain spots) and taken over municipal campsites. 

Carol 

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 16:07, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of around 200 aires in France.

They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you! They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage: 








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Derek Sims
 

I would treat them with extreme caution. They are taking over what were free aires in France and slapping charges on them. For instance, last year we revisited a favourite spot in Brittany, Locronan, where we had stayed free on a number of occasions. This time it had been taken over by Camping Car Parks and we were forced to pay 13 euros. The next day we found the borne was outside the aire and was extra to use.
If they're encouraged we'll suddenly find ourselves paying through the nose for all the spots currently free, and the money will be going to a French company, with some sweetener to the local authority. Discourage at all costs.

Stay Sane

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On 09/09/2020, 15:07 Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of around 200 aires in France.

They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you! They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage: 


Carol Weaver
 

Agree. Duncan has said the same. Trouble is so many like them. 

Carol

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 17:11, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:








I would treat them with extreme caution. They are taking over what were free aires in France and slapping charges on them. For instance, last year we revisited a favourite spot in Brittany, Locronan, where we had stayed free on a number of occasions. This time it had been taken over by Camping Car Parks and we were forced to pay 13 euros. The next day we found the borne was outside the aire and was extra to use.
If they're encouraged we'll suddenly find ourselves paying through the nose for all the spots currently free, and the money will be going to a French company, with some sweetener to the local authority. Discourage at all costs.

Stay Sane

Derek

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Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of around 200 aires in France.










They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you! They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage: 



















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Peter S
 

I put in a fictitious number. I have never used one of their parks.

Peter S

On 09/09/2020 16:11:38, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

People who never go abroad can’t do it as have no card. Bit short sighted I think

On some you should be able to tick multiple boxes. 

Done

Can’t say I’m a fan personally I try to avoid them. They’ve just put up prices and provide WiFi (but only in certain spots) and taken over municipal campsites. 

Carol 

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 16:07, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of around 200 aires in France.

They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you! They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage: 








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Andy Clarke
 

You can leave the card number box blank.

Interested to hear people's thoughts on them, never used them ourselves. The reaction on the CAMpRA group was fairly positive I think - of course there's no danger of them taking over any aires or municipal campsites in the UK!

Andy Clarke


On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 16:11, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
People who never go abroad can’t do it as have no card. Bit short sighted I think


Carol Weaver
 

No but it’s money going out far better to keep money here!!!  They are NOT cheap. I think 35sq.m generally divided by telegraph poles. Some have been very sloping, they make no attempt to level a site tip up hedges where they have been and generally spoil it 

Probably liked by people who like to book in advance and like sites more!!
Carol

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 17:38, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
You can leave the card number box blank.

Interested to hear people's thoughts on them, never used them ourselves. The reaction on the CAMpRA group was fairly positive I think - of course there's no danger of them taking over any aires or municipal campsites in the UK!

Andy Clarke

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 16:11, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
People who never go abroad can’t do it as have no card. Bit short sighted I think













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timsinc Sinclair
 

Kind of agree with you Derek (and Carol), having reluctantly used
Camping-car places couple of times (I have the card). On t'other hand,
what free aires (or where) have we got in UK to be commercialised?

With the explosion in m/h use, more than ever in our home land in
these Covid times, and shortage of campsite vacancies, I'd welcome an
alternative - even at a price ...that should be below most present
pitch fees. Tonight I'm on a 6/7 pitch site behind a pub: £24 a night!
Plus, hopefully, they'd be situated near, or in, communities.

Tim

On 09/09/2020, Derek Sims <derek.sims@gmx.com> wrote:
I would treat them with extreme caution. They are taking over what were free
aires in France and slapping charges on them. For instance, last year we
revisited a favourite spot in Brittany, Locronan, where we had stayed free
on a number of occasions. This time it had been taken over by Camping Car
Parks and we were forced to pay 13 euros. The next day we found the borne
was outside the aire and was extra to use.
If they're encouraged we'll suddenly find ourselves paying through the nose
for all the spots currently free, and the money will be going to a French
company, with some sweetener to the local authority. Discourage at all
costs.

Stay Sane

Derek

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On 09/09/2020, 15:07 Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@gmail.com> wrote:

Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of
around 200 aires in France.

They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you!
They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_6b4bV1Q0aqzrGBlAtdxf33EX2gJQEmd2U8FbIKNzNxlnAw/viewform?
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jtwebb1
 

I feel the same about them as others here. They are expensive for what you get. They simply offer to take over what was a free or cheap municipal sure and give a percentage to the local authority that ran it. They do add facilities such as EHU and WiFi. Not been caught with the borne outside at extra cost. 
Mention was made of card availability. I got mine by registering online and it arrived by post.


Carol Weaver
 

You can buy the card at any you first arrive at and put money on as we did about three years ago

Carol


On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 09:13, jtwebb1 <lists@...> wrote:
I feel the same about them as others here. They are expensive for what you get. They simply offer to take over what was a free or cheap municipal sure and give a percentage to the local authority that ran it. They do add facilities such as EHU and WiFi. Not been caught with the borne outside at extra cost. 
Mention was made of card availability. I got mine by registering online and it arrived by post.







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Bennett Family
 

I’ve never stayed on one of their Aires, but it would seem to me to be beneficial for all of us if they do become involved here. 

1. It’s someone else raising the issue with local councils. 
2. Councils are already stretched - this option means someone else does the work and they just take a cut. 
3. They have a track record of providing Aires that people use.
4. Even if you never intend to use one it’s a benefit because others will use them and that means there’s more chance of finding a place where you do want to stay.

Finally, living in a city that charges a fortune to park in the daytime, the typical overnight charges for a Motorhome on an Aire seem very reasonable to me. 

I’m currently paying £30 per night for a view of the sea on a campsite off-season and the site is virtually full. Given the view from my pitch and the fact that I don’t have to look at other campers - just the sand and the sea - I’ve no complaints. 



Martin


On 10 Sep 2020, at 08:16, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:


You can buy the card at any you first arrive at and put money on as we did about three years ago

Carol


On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 09:13, jtwebb1 <lists@...> wrote:
I feel the same about them as others here. They are expensive for what you get. They simply offer to take over what was a free or cheap municipal sure and give a percentage to the local authority that ran it. They do add facilities such as EHU and WiFi. Not been caught with the borne outside at extra cost. 
Mention was made of card availability. I got mine by registering online and it arrived by post.







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timsinc Sinclair
 

Sound reasoning, Martin. As I've said, there are very few free aires
with tap and waste in the UK to be 'taken over' anyway. This
over-m/h-populated country definitely needs more pitches. But like
you, I prefer open views rather than life on a carpark. But when needs
must....

Tim

On 10/09/2020, Bennett Family via groups.io
<martin.bennett47=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I’ve never stayed on one of their Aires, but it would seem to me to be
beneficial for all of us if they do become involved here.

1. It’s someone else raising the issue with local councils.
2. Councils are already stretched - this option means someone else does the
work and they just take a cut.
3. They have a track record of providing Aires that people use.
4. Even if you never intend to use one it’s a benefit because others will
use them and that means there’s more chance of finding a place where you do
want to stay.

Finally, living in a city that charges a fortune to park in the daytime, the
typical overnight charges for a Motorhome on an Aire seem very reasonable to
me.

I’m currently paying £30 per night for a view of the sea on a campsite
off-season and the site is virtually full. Given the view from my pitch and
the fact that I don’t have to look at other campers - just the sand and the
sea - I’ve no complaints.



Martin
On 10 Sep 2020, at 08:16, Carol Weaver <corconx@gmail.com> wrote:


You can buy the card at any you first arrive at and put money on as we did
about three years ago

Carol


On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 09:13, jtwebb1 <lists@jtwebb.org.uk> wrote:
I feel the same about them as others here. They are expensive for what
you get. They simply offer to take over what was a free or cheap
municipal sure and give a percentage to the local authority that ran it.
They do add facilities such as EHU and WiFi. Not been caught with the
borne outside at extra cost.
Mention was made of card availability. I got mine by registering online
and it arrived by post.






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Derek Sims
 

That's not how I view it from personal experience, Martin. They seem to be just trying to make money out facilities which were previously free or virtually so, maybe a couple of Euros for the water. They add little or no value (most of us don't need hookup or wifi for a night or two with modern 4G data cards) and are progressively destroying the aires ethos in France.
I feel CAMpRA will gain nothing from them but the reverse may well be the case.
Stay Sane
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On 10/09/2020, 08:53 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
I’ve never stayed on one of their Aires, but it would seem to me to be beneficial for all of us if they do become involved here. 

1. It’s someone else raising the issue with local councils. 
2. Councils are already stretched - this option means someone else does the work and they just take a cut. 
3. They have a track record of providing Aires that people use.
4. Even if you never intend to use one it’s a benefit because others will use them and that means there’s more chance of finding a place where you do want to stay.

Finally, living in a city that charges a fortune to park in the daytime, the typical overnight charges for a Motorhome on an Aire seem very reasonable to me. 

I’m currently paying £30 per night for a view of the sea on a campsite off-season and the site is virtually full. Given the view from my pitch and the fact that I don’t have to look at other campers - just the sand and the sea - I’ve no complaints. 



Martin


On 10 Sep 2020, at 08:16, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:


You can buy the card at any you first arrive at and put money on as we did about three years ago

Carol


On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 09:13, jtwebb1 <lists@...> wrote:
I feel the same about them as others here. They are expensive for what you get. They simply offer to take over what was a free or cheap municipal sure and give a percentage to the local authority that ran it. They do add facilities such as EHU and WiFi. Not been caught with the borne outside at extra cost. 
Mention was made of card availability. I got mine by registering online and it arrived by post.







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Carol Weaver
 

Sadly I just read that CAMpRA initiated the correspondence.  

I wholeheartedly agree with you Derek as a user and a former user of the free aires. 

But I see who it appeals to - those perhaps ex caravan red who were used to booking a site and want the opportunity in UKZ - but not full sites. Trouble is no adverse posts are allowed. I had mine removed over something else. Only positivity allowed

FREE SPEECH!!! My foot 

Very disappointed in them

Carol

If only they got one of the main UK Clubs to take it on it would stop money going out if the Country

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 13:34, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:








That's not how I view it from personal experience, Martin. They seem to be just trying to make money out facilities which were previously free or virtually so, maybe a couple of Euros for the water. They add little or no value (most of us don't need hookup or wifi for a night or two with modern 4G data cards) and are progressively destroying the aires ethos in France.
I feel CAMpRA will gain nothing from them but the reverse may well be the case.
Stay Sane
Derek

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On 10/09/2020, 08:53 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47=me.com@groups.io> wrote:




I’ve never stayed on one of their Aires, but it would seem to me to be beneficial for all of us if they do become involved here. 










1. It’s someone else raising the issue with local councils. 





2. Councils are already stretched - this option means someone else does the work and they just take a cut. 





3. They have a track record of providing Aires that people use.





4. Even if you never intend to use one it’s a benefit because others will use them and that means there’s more chance of finding a place where you do want to stay.












Finally, living in a city that charges a fortune to park in the daytime, the typical overnight charges for a Motorhome on an Aire seem very reasonable to me. 












I’m currently paying £30 per night for a view of the sea on a campsite off-season and the site is virtually full. Given the view from my pitch and the fact that I don’t have to look at other campers - just the sand and the sea - I’ve no complaints. 






























Martin
















On 10 Sep 2020, at 08:16, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:



















You can buy the card at any you first arrive at and put money on as we did about three years ago












Carol























On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 09:13, jtwebb1 <lists@...> wrote:








I feel the same about them as others here. They are expensive for what you get. They simply offer to take over what was a free or cheap municipal sure and give a percentage to the local authority that ran it. They do add facilities such as EHU and WiFi. Not been caught with the borne outside at extra cost. 


Mention was made of card availability. I got mine by registering online and it arrived by post.

































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Andy Clarke
 

I don't think you can really compare the French operation, where there is a large existing network of aires, with a proposed expansion into the UK, where there aren't any.

As I said, we've not used Camping-car Parks but looking at their prices they seem pretty fair to me. Of course they don't suit everyone, I suspect we would only use them in the UK  if there was one where we particularly wanted to visit, but the option to use a service point for €5 is attractive.

Regarding the CAMpRA FB group, it is intended to be tightly focused on the campaigning aspect, it's definitely not a 'free speech' group and moderation is, rightly in my view, strict. There's plenty of other campervan and motorhome FB groups for more free ranging discussions.

Andy Clarke

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 13:41, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
Sadly I just read that CAMpRA initiated the correspondence.  

I wholeheartedly agree with you Derek as a user and a former user of the free aires. 

But I see who it appeals to - those perhaps ex caravan red who were used to booking a site and want the opportunity in UKZ - but not full sites. Trouble is no adverse posts are allowed. I had mine removed over something else. Only positivity allowed

FREE SPEECH!!! My foot 

Very disappointed in them

Carol

If only they got one of the main UK Clubs to take it on it would stop money going out if the Country



Derek Sims
 

Tim
If you're forced to spend more time in the UK perhaps you should consider equipping yourself with more onboard facilities, then you could make more use of what's on offer, pioneered by the hard work of Andy and others like him. Places which I'm sure Camping Card would love to get their hands on. Examples:
The stars of the show have be Powys. A large county in much-underrated Mid-Wales. Stay with a motorhome or caravan on any of their long-stay car parks for 1 night in any seven. Most of them have public toilets and with discretion you can empty a cassette. Used to be free but now £6.50 per night;
Torridge District in N.Devon - Use Long Stay car parks overnight for £5;
we've just stayed at the lovely village of Thaxted in Essex - free in Car Park up to 48hrs, including daytimes.
If self-contained you could also make use of a Britstops membership, similar to France Passion at about £24 per year. We've made our way from Devon to Essex and so far stopped at four lovely farm shops. Lunch today is steak from one, handmade ice cream from another and rhubarb from a stall outside a cottage. Tonight we're on a CL at a church hall near Orford for 2 nights at £6 per night. We're not tight - just don't like commercial sites. We did go on an "expensive" CL near Bristol at the weekend to meet up with our son and Granddaughter. That was beautiful, at £15 p.n with ehu, but pushed up our average for 10 nights to £4 per night😞
Stay sane
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On 09/09/2020, 16:53 timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
Kind of agree with you Derek (and Carol), having reluctantly used
Camping-car places couple of times (I have the card). On t'other hand,
what free aires (or where) have we got in UK to be commercialised?

With the explosion in m/h use, more than ever in our home land in
these Covid times, and shortage of campsite vacancies, I'd welcome an
alternative - even at a price ...that should be below most present
pitch fees. Tonight I'm on a 6/7 pitch site behind a pub: £24 a night!
Plus, hopefully, they'd be situated near, or in, communities.

Tim

On 09/09/2020, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:
> I would treat them with extreme caution. They are taking over what were free
> aires in France and slapping charges on them. For instance, last year we
> revisited a favourite spot in Brittany, Locronan, where we had stayed free
> on a number of occasions. This time it had been taken over by Camping Car
> Parks and we were forced to pay 13 euros. The next day we found the borne
> was outside the aire and was extra to use.
> If they're encouraged we'll suddenly find ourselves paying through the nose
> for all the spots currently free, and the money will be going to a French
> company, with some sweetener to the local authority. Discourage at all
> costs.
>
> Stay Sane
>
> Derek
>
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> On 09/09/2020, 15:07 Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
>>
>> Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of
>> around 200 aires in France.
>>
>> They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you!
>> They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage:
>> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_6b4bV1Q0aqzrGBlAtdxf33EX2gJQEmd2U8FbIKNzNxlnAw/viewform?
>>
>
>


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timsinc Sinclair
 

If you're forced to spend more time in the UK perhaps you should consider equipping yourself with more onboard facilities

....like? I live in a tiny campervan. But do have loo and shower though 70litre water tank struggles after 2/3 days. Two leisure batteries boosted by solars (total 100w), which kept me going in sunny Spain for two weeks without hookup. Of course warm then, so minimal diesel heater use, which is biggest draw on batteries.

Personal preference: am not a keen car park camper. Like my home for most of the time to be in freer, greener places. Views other than white van neighbour a bonus. Having spent £ks on my van, I'm not quibbling over a pound here or there for resting places. But then, I don't have domestic council tax and utility bills and other ongoing costs.

However, I do need to be near town centre services (such as barber, optician etc) from time to time and would happily welcome the Camping-car aire convenience. Seems I'm in a minority on the subject here.

Tim 


On 10 September 2020 14:48:30 "Derek Sims" <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Tim
If you're forced to spend more time in the UK perhaps you should consider equipping yourself with more onboard facilities, then you could make more use of what's on offer, pioneered by the hard work of Andy and others like him. Places which I'm sure Camping Card would love to get their hands on. Examples:
The stars of the show have be Powys. A large county in much-underrated Mid-Wales. Stay with a motorhome or caravan on any of their long-stay car parks for 1 night in any seven. Most of them have public toilets and with discretion you can empty a cassette. Used to be free but now £6.50 per night;
Torridge District in N.Devon - Use Long Stay car parks overnight for £5;
we've just stayed at the lovely village of Thaxted in Essex - free in Car Park up to 48hrs, including daytimes.
If self-contained you could also make use of a Britstops membership, similar to France Passion at about £24 per year. We've made our way from Devon to Essex and so far stopped at four lovely farm shops. Lunch today is steak from one, handmade ice cream from another and rhubarb from a stall outside a cottage. Tonight we're on a CL at a church hall near Orford for 2 nights at £6 per night. We're not tight - just don't like commercial sites. We did go on an "expensive" CL near Bristol at the weekend to meet up with our son and Granddaughter. That was beautiful, at £15 p.n with ehu, but pushed up our average for 10 nights to £4 per night😞
Stay sane
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On 09/09/2020, 16:53 timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
Kind of agree with you Derek (and Carol), having reluctantly used
Camping-car places couple of times (I have the card). On t'other hand,
what free aires (or where) have we got in UK to be commercialised?

With the explosion in m/h use, more than ever in our home land in
these Covid times, and shortage of campsite vacancies, I'd welcome an
alternative - even at a price ...that should be below most present
pitch fees. Tonight I'm on a 6/7 pitch site behind a pub: £24 a night!
Plus, hopefully, they'd be situated near, or in, communities.

Tim

On 09/09/2020, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:
> I would treat them with extreme caution. They are taking over what were free
> aires in France and slapping charges on them. For instance, last year we
> revisited a favourite spot in Brittany, Locronan, where we had stayed free
> on a number of occasions. This time it had been taken over by Camping Car
> Parks and we were forced to pay 13 euros. The next day we found the borne
> was outside the aire and was extra to use.
> If they're encouraged we'll suddenly find ourselves paying through the nose
> for all the spots currently free, and the money will be going to a French
> company, with some sweetener to the local authority. Discourage at all
> costs.
>
> Stay Sane
>
> Derek
>
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> On 09/09/2020, 15:07 Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
>>
>> Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of
>> around 200 aires in France.
>>
>> They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you!
>> They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage:
>> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_6b4bV1Q0aqzrGBlAtdxf33EX2gJQEmd2U8FbIKNzNxlnAw/viewform?
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We use sites more often than not especially if we want to stay somewhere for a few days. We do use Aires reasonably frequently but "car park" style ones would not be our preference. In fact we have occasionally found that the difference in cost between some paying Aires and a campsite is so marginal that we would prefer the more open campsite.

Peter S

On 10/09/2020 16:13:46, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

If you're forced to spend more time in the UK perhaps you should consider equipping yourself with more onboard facilities

....like? I live in a tiny campervan. But do have loo and shower though 70litre water tank struggles after 2/3 days. Two leisure batteries boosted by solars (total 100w), which kept me going in sunny Spain for two weeks without hookup. Of course warm then, so minimal diesel heater use, which is biggest draw on batteries.

Personal preference: am not a keen car park camper. Like my home for most of the time to be in freer, greener places. Views other than white van neighbour a bonus. Having spent £ks on my van, I'm not quibbling over a pound here or there for resting places. But then, I don't have domestic council tax and utility bills and other ongoing costs.

However, I do need to be near town centre services (such as barber, optician etc) from time to time and would happily welcome the Camping-car aire convenience. Seems I'm in a minority on the subject here.

Tim 


On 10 September 2020 14:48:30 "Derek Sims" <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Tim
If you're forced to spend more time in the UK perhaps you should consider equipping yourself with more onboard facilities, then you could make more use of what's on offer, pioneered by the hard work of Andy and others like him. Places which I'm sure Camping Card would love to get their hands on. Examples:
The stars of the show have be Powys. A large county in much-underrated Mid-Wales. Stay with a motorhome or caravan on any of their long-stay car parks for 1 night in any seven. Most of them have public toilets and with discretion you can empty a cassette. Used to be free but now £6.50 per night;
Torridge District in N.Devon - Use Long Stay car parks overnight for £5;
we've just stayed at the lovely village of Thaxted in Essex - free in Car Park up to 48hrs, including daytimes.
If self-contained you could also make use of a Britstops membership, similar to France Passion at about £24 per year. We've made our way from Devon to Essex and so far stopped at four lovely farm shops. Lunch today is steak from one, handmade ice cream from another and rhubarb from a stall outside a cottage. Tonight we're on a CL at a church hall near Orford for 2 nights at £6 per night. We're not tight - just don't like commercial sites. We did go on an "expensive" CL near Bristol at the weekend to meet up with our son and Granddaughter. That was beautiful, at £15 p.n with ehu, but pushed up our average for 10 nights to £4 per night😞
Stay sane
Derek


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On 09/09/2020, 16:53 timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
Kind of agree with you Derek (and Carol), having reluctantly used
Camping-car places couple of times (I have the card). On t'other hand,
what free aires (or where) have we got in UK to be commercialised?

With the explosion in m/h use, more than ever in our home land in
these Covid times, and shortage of campsite vacancies, I'd welcome an
alternative - even at a price ...that should be below most present
pitch fees. Tonight I'm on a 6/7 pitch site behind a pub: £24 a night!
Plus, hopefully, they'd be situated near, or in, communities.

Tim

On 09/09/2020, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:
> I would treat them with extreme caution. They are taking over what were free
> aires in France and slapping charges on them. For instance, last year we
> revisited a favourite spot in Brittany, Locronan, where we had stayed free
> on a number of occasions. This time it had been taken over by Camping Car
> Parks and we were forced to pay 13 euros. The next day we found the borne
> was outside the aire and was extra to use.
> If they're encouraged we'll suddenly find ourselves paying through the nose
> for all the spots currently free, and the money will be going to a French
> company, with some sweetener to the local authority. Discourage at all
> costs.
>
> Stay Sane
>
> Derek
>
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> On 09/09/2020, 15:07 Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:
>>
>> Many of you will know about Camping-car Park, they run a network of
>> around 200 aires in France.
>>
>> They are planning to expand into the UK, so here's another survey for you!
>> They want to find out more about UK motorhome usage:
>> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_6b4bV1Q0aqzrGBlAtdxf33EX2gJQEmd2U8FbIKNzNxlnAw/viewform?
>>
>
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Bennett Family
 

I agree with Andy. 

It would be different if we had a Network of Aires but we’ve only got a few. Anything that helps to create more must surely be a benefit, if only because it takes pressure off the others and gives you a better chance of finding a spot. 

Martin


On 10 Sep 2020, at 14:26, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:


I don't think you can really compare the French operation, where there is a large existing network of aires, with a proposed expansion into the UK, where there aren't any.

As I said, we've not used Camping-car Parks but looking at their prices they seem pretty fair to me. Of course they don't suit everyone, I suspect we would only use them in the UK  if there was one where we particularly wanted to visit, but the option to use a service point for €5 is attractive.

Regarding the CAMpRA FB group, it is intended to be tightly focused on the campaigning aspect, it's definitely not a 'free speech' group and moderation is, rightly in my view, strict. There's plenty of other campervan and motorhome FB groups for more free ranging discussions.

Andy Clarke

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 13:41, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
Sadly I just read that CAMpRA initiated the correspondence.  

I wholeheartedly agree with you Derek as a user and a former user of the free aires. 

But I see who it appeals to - those perhaps ex caravan red who were used to booking a site and want the opportunity in UKZ - but not full sites. Trouble is no adverse posts are allowed. I had mine removed over something else. Only positivity allowed

FREE SPEECH!!! My foot 

Very disappointed in them

Carol

If only they got one of the main UK Clubs to take it on it would stop money going out if the Country



Steve Pyke
 

Hi,
We have never used CampingCarpark Aires. We stayed at the acsi campsite in Locronan a shortish walk from the town for not much more than the Aire. We also noted that the borne was outside. The Aire was empty during the day and mh's could park in the carpark nearby during the day.

That was in June last year. I read in the French Camping car magazine a few grumbles and comments about the way CCP were taking over municipal Aires which could leave councils out of pocket if the Aire isn't used as much as expected.

Nearer to home we stayed overnight in Builth Wells carpark a couple of weeks ago - ok once the sheep market had left.The parking for motorhomes is now £8 for over 4 hours during the day but free overnight. The market carpark had a temporary sign stating that the first two hours were free so we didn't have to buy a ticket for the next morning after 8am. Same price at Brecon long stay parking. Well done to Powys council.

Steve