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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Brent
 

On 25 Mar 2019, at 07:23, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Hi John Just make sure your Broadway IS 3.5T as the one we purchased was upgraded to 3.75T and the dealer never told us!!!!!

We actually struggled to keep under that weight anyway, full safari/awning, liquids (fuel, water etc), food, clothes and with myself, wife and dog was touch and go at times!!! 

Just as well I checked my paperwork, but I've got the +70 everything licence anyway

Best wishes
Brent
Sunny Isle of Wight


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

John Clemence
 

Wow Andy,
What a helpful and informative post, so many practical hints.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience this will certainly help to guide me through the process.
Thanks again, I will let the group know how I get on once I get the application under way.
Regards,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "andyowl2004 via Groups.Io" <andyowler@...>
Sent: 26/03/2019 09:55:28
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)
 
Because we (76 and 74 years old) drive a m/h over 3.5tonne we have to have medicals. Our GP charged us over £200 each for the "medicals" - 10 minutes form-filling and no actual tests at all!
 
The next time I went to www.D4Drivers.uk (NOT .co.uk!) who charged £50 for the same "medical"! I chose one of their locations not far from home and it was all very smooth. They specialise in medicals for HGV and other similar professional drivers. They operate all over the UK. I went to a local Holiday Inn for my appointment!
 
Call 0808 178 0725 to make a booking or ask questions. Nice people!
 
Note: I have no connection with this company other than as a satisfied customer. There are other companies doing similar things including car race licence and taxi medicals.
 
I had to get my optician to give me a prescription for the specs I wear (and they are entitled to charge you although, if you are already due for a regular NHS eye test, the prescription may be free).
 
You will have to get the eye prescription even if you go to your GP. They give you a list of things to take to the medical including a Urine Sample and a list of any medication you may be taking.
 
If you have had a cataract or Glaucoma DVLA may require a "Visual Fields" test. 
 
If they send you to SpecSavers for this test, make sure that SpecSavers use the CORRECT DVLA test procedure. My wife had 3 Specsavers tests (all performed incorrectly) and several NHS specialist tests (all satisfactory but not acceptable to DVLA!) before DVLA agreed she could go to Moorfields Eye Hospital and have the test done by them. She passed!
 
* The scope to get it wrong includes one eye at a time or both eyes together? With specs or without specs? Noisy or cold room and interruptions. Do your own homework on the DVLA website and find out what DVLA actually require! Don't trust the operative, they may be a trainee (she was in two cases). SpecSavers will also NOT TELL YOU whether you have passed or not! You have to waste 3-4 weeks for DVLA to get back to you with a refusal to issue your new licence! If DVLA get it wrong APPEAL. It works. Don't give in or be browbeaten into accepting your licence being taken away. You cannot get it back with taking a new driving test.
 
Beware SPECSAVERS! They have a monopoly on doing eye tests for DVLA to the exclusion of almost all others including the optician you have been using for years. This may change in the future but we have bad experience of SpecSavers doing DVLA eye tests. In a subsequent year she went to Worcester Park, Surrey, SpecSavers who did the job correctly unlike another local SpecSavers.
 
Filling in the DVLA forms (especially D2 - Application) correctly is essential and since they change the rules without warning, and the "Help notes" DVLA provide are useless, it is worth phoning DVLA and asking their help to fill in the form. Get the person's name who helps you!  Try saying "Thank you. You have been very helpful. May I have your name please?" Photocopy the D2 form before you send it back.
 
The Medical Form "D4" is supplied by D4Drivers and they fill it in for you. Get one tick wrong (as my GP did once) and DVLA will send it back! Photocopy the D4 form before you send it back.
 
The first time I renewed my C1 licence I ticked the wrong box on the D2 and DVLA assumed the D4 medical was unnecessary (at £200!) and sent in error! They shredded the D4 and sent me the standard "up to 3.5t" licence. When I protested that I DID want the over 3.5t C1 licence they said I must have a new medical. When I appealed and said I could provide a photocopy of the D4 they gave in and allowed it to be used.
 
Always take a photocopy of BOTH SIDES of your licence before sending it back in case they lose it! Better still, if you have "mislaid it" when you send in the form, tell them so and therefore do not send it!
 
Always, always, always, send the forms etc. to DVLA using "SIGNED FOR" 1st class post. They have denied receiving forms and letters several times until I was able to tell them when my letter was received and who signed for it! Magic!
 
AndyMac


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Bennett Family
 

Andy >Er, did you miss this Martin :  © UKMotorhomes.net Copying is permitted for personal use only.
Andy Clarke

Clearly I did! Apologies. 

I googled Driving Licences for Motorhomes or something similar as I remembered reading something a while I go which I now assume was a post from yourself. 

The link that opened was


I didn’t spot anything on there that said for personal use only. I’ve looked again and see that at the very end in smaller type and grey is the message. 

I’m on an CMC site and the internet connection is poor. I tried just direct those interested to your site via the link above but I couldn’t get it to copy this afternoon. 

Martin 

On 26 Mar 2019, at 17:16, Andy Clarke via Groups.Io <andyclarke1050@...> wrote:

Er, did you miss this Martin :  © UKMotorhomes.net Copying is permitted for personal use only.

I've had copy protection on the site for a few years, following a serious copyright breach. I'm experimenting with removing the protection and including a copyright notice automatically with any copied content.

Clearly it's not a deterrent so looks like I'll have to go back to full copy protection :(

Andy Clarke


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Carol Weaver
 

I recall Andy writing this and him trying to get the trailer weight added to the 3.5t to get 4250. Sadly it didn’t happen

Would have been great had it worked for all concerned 

Carol

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 16:14, Bennett Family <martin@...> wrote:
From UKMotorhomes.uk

Perhaps we should be forced to accept all EU directives!!

“C1 Driving Licence Test for Non-Commercial Drivers

A draft amendment to the EC 3rd Directive on Driving Licences could have meant that it would be easier for drivers of privately used vehicles to obtain a C1 licence (required for driving vehicles of between 3500kg and 7500kg GVW). Drivers who passed a normal car test after 31/12/1996 do not have the C1 category on their licence and currently must pass a C1 goods vehicle test in order to drive any vehicle of between 3500kg and 7500kg GVW

The proposal was that where driving is not the principal activity of the driver, i.e. it is solely for personal or leisure purposes, there should be no requirement to demonstrate knowledge of the rules and equipment applicable to the professional transport sector.

A separate C1 test was proposed, and the C1 licence category would have been be issued with a new restriction code (97) indicating that only private use is permitted.UK Driving Licence

This easing of the testing requirement might have reduced the need for motorhome manufacturers to build vehicles with a GVW of 3500kg or less.

Member states must incorporate the amendment into national legislation before 31/12/2013, in the UK the Driving Standards Agency consulted on the changes 2013.

In the responses to the consultation, for those that thought that a further test for non-professional drivers should be introduced, comments made were generally that a non-professional test would benefit those drivers who own motorhomes. The benefit being that motorhome owners would be able to take their driving test in their own vehicles without having to have a tachograph fitted.

DSA accepts that this is true. However, the EU legislation requires that apart from the content about the tachograph, all of the other content of the current category C1 test must remain and be tested. DSA is unable to just remove the tachograph content from the current test, for non-professional drivers turning up for test. A new theory test that did not include tachograph questions in the multiple-choice database would need to be introduced and IT systems would need to be changed to enable drivers to book this separate test. All of this would involve costs that would need to be recovered from those using the service – we could not have any certainty of the number of people who would use this service.

DSA does not propose to introduce another theory test or change the booking system at this time. The agency has however, considered whether it would be possible to just allow persons to attend for the test using their own vehicle and without having a tachograph fitted, even if the theory test is not changed. This would save money for the individual on the cost of the tachograph, but, they would still be required to have a restriction code put onto their driving licence by DVLA. The issue for DSA is how we tell DVLA to put the code onto the driving licence without having to spend money making major changes to IT systems, because driving test results are sent electronically via a special IT system to DVLA. DSA is currently investigating whether this could be done without it being too costly and introducing it with other future IT changes to mitigate the cost. This is assuming that stakeholders would wish to do this. The DSA stated that further comments on this point would be welcome.”


Martin 

On 26 Mar 2019, at 15:31, Alan Morris via Groups.Io <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 09:55, andyowl2004 via Groups.Io
<andyowler@...> wrote:

Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)

Andy's long posting is why I decided to relinquish my Cat C and Cat D
licence when reaching 70.

Ern mentioned towing trailers.  The DVLA Cat BE trailer weight max
depends on the date you passed your test.  Grandfather rights have no
upper limit.  Recent passes limit is 3,500kg.  Both however will be
reduced by the plated total outfit weight.  No extra restrictions for
age over 70.

The real problem is that motorhome manufacturers are now plating down
to 3,500kg which reduces the payload.  My 2016 Hymer manual recommends
driving with empty water tanks.  In the previous MH, I always filled
water to full, when ever the opportunity arose.

So I have a massive 'garage' that can't be used fully.

Alan



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Copyright [was Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal]

Andy Clarke
 

Er, did you miss this Martin :  © UKMotorhomes.net Copying is permitted for personal use only.

I've had copy protection on the site for a few years, following a serious copyright breach. I'm experimenting with removing the protection and including a copyright notice automatically with any copied content.

Clearly it's not a deterrent so looks like I'll have to go back to full copy protection :(

Andy Clarke


On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 16:14, Bennett Family <martin@...> wrote:
From UKMotorhomes.uk

Perhaps we should be forced to accept all EU directives!!


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Bennett Family
 

From UKMotorhomes.uk

Perhaps we should be forced to accept all EU directives!!

“C1 Driving Licence Test for Non-Commercial Drivers

A draft amendment to the EC 3rd Directive on Driving Licences could have meant that it would be easier for drivers of privately used vehicles to obtain a C1 licence (required for driving vehicles of between 3500kg and 7500kg GVW). Drivers who passed a normal car test after 31/12/1996 do not have the C1 category on their licence and currently must pass a C1 goods vehicle test in order to drive any vehicle of between 3500kg and 7500kg GVW

The proposal was that where driving is not the principal activity of the driver, i.e. it is solely for personal or leisure purposes, there should be no requirement to demonstrate knowledge of the rules and equipment applicable to the professional transport sector.

A separate C1 test was proposed, and the C1 licence category would have been be issued with a new restriction code (97) indicating that only private use is permitted.UK Driving Licence

This easing of the testing requirement might have reduced the need for motorhome manufacturers to build vehicles with a GVW of 3500kg or less.

Member states must incorporate the amendment into national legislation before 31/12/2013, in the UK the Driving Standards Agency consulted on the changes 2013.

In the responses to the consultation, for those that thought that a further test for non-professional drivers should be introduced, comments made were generally that a non-professional test would benefit those drivers who own motorhomes. The benefit being that motorhome owners would be able to take their driving test in their own vehicles without having to have a tachograph fitted.

DSA accepts that this is true. However, the EU legislation requires that apart from the content about the tachograph, all of the other content of the current category C1 test must remain and be tested. DSA is unable to just remove the tachograph content from the current test, for non-professional drivers turning up for test. A new theory test that did not include tachograph questions in the multiple-choice database would need to be introduced and IT systems would need to be changed to enable drivers to book this separate test. All of this would involve costs that would need to be recovered from those using the service – we could not have any certainty of the number of people who would use this service.

DSA does not propose to introduce another theory test or change the booking system at this time. The agency has however, considered whether it would be possible to just allow persons to attend for the test using their own vehicle and without having a tachograph fitted, even if the theory test is not changed. This would save money for the individual on the cost of the tachograph, but, they would still be required to have a restriction code put onto their driving licence by DVLA. The issue for DSA is how we tell DVLA to put the code onto the driving licence without having to spend money making major changes to IT systems, because driving test results are sent electronically via a special IT system to DVLA. DSA is currently investigating whether this could be done without it being too costly and introducing it with other future IT changes to mitigate the cost. This is assuming that stakeholders would wish to do this. The DSA stated that further comments on this point would be welcome.”


Martin 

On 26 Mar 2019, at 15:31, Alan Morris via Groups.Io <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 09:55, andyowl2004 via Groups.Io
<andyowler@...> wrote:

Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)

Andy's long posting is why I decided to relinquish my Cat C and Cat D
licence when reaching 70.

Ern mentioned towing trailers.  The DVLA Cat BE trailer weight max
depends on the date you passed your test.  Grandfather rights have no
upper limit.  Recent passes limit is 3,500kg.  Both however will be
reduced by the plated total outfit weight.  No extra restrictions for
age over 70.

The real problem is that motorhome manufacturers are now plating down
to 3,500kg which reduces the payload.  My 2016 Hymer manual recommends
driving with empty water tanks.  In the previous MH, I always filled
water to full, when ever the opportunity arose.

So I have a massive 'garage' that can't be used fully.

Alan




Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Alan Morris
 

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 09:55, andyowl2004 via Groups.Io
<andyowler=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)
Andy's long posting is why I decided to relinquish my Cat C and Cat D
licence when reaching 70.

Ern mentioned towing trailers. The DVLA Cat BE trailer weight max
depends on the date you passed your test. Grandfather rights have no
upper limit. Recent passes limit is 3,500kg. Both however will be
reduced by the plated total outfit weight. No extra restrictions for
age over 70.

The real problem is that motorhome manufacturers are now plating down
to 3,500kg which reduces the payload. My 2016 Hymer manual recommends
driving with empty water tanks. In the previous MH, I always filled
water to full, when ever the opportunity arose.

So I have a massive 'garage' that can't be used fully.

Alan


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Carol Weaver
 

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 11:50, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
Carol - assume you mean 3498kg not cc!

Nigel.

On 26/03/2019 11:45, Carol Weaver wrote:
Duncan's experience was a bit the same.  Except he had just had a shoulder operation 5 days before he had to do the treadmill test...and was still in a sling.... removed to go in for it.

He almost failed, he wasn't as fit as he thought and it was the length of the time.  However we bought a treadmill that Christmas and he walks a mile at least 5 days a week on it, so when he did it three years ago it was not a problem at all.  

But now giving it up voluntarily really because it can take so much time out of our holidays in the summer months, and you can drive in UK, but April/May/June is when we like to be away in EU.... so rather than have it again, our Dethleffs is 3498cc

Carol


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On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 11:18, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
Hello John

I was refused my C1 on the grounds that I had angina. I have never had an attack but I seem to always fail treadmill tests.
After my failure I was advised of two things that I did wrong.
I applied for both C1 (light goods) and D1 (mini bus). If you do this then they are taken together so you fail both together if you fail one and the D1 is more severe a test than the C1. So if you have no pressing need to drive a mini bus do not apply for the D1.
I used my own doctor who knew far too much about me from their own records. Go to a specialist test doctor who doesn’t know you so will have to find what is wrong with you on the day.
I used my own doctor for the eye test and she got it wrong. At first they failed me on that until my own optician did it right but I suspect that they still thought my eyes were dodgy.
I still think that they made up their minds that I was dodgy and failed me then found reasons to justify it. I even tried to get the heart specialist who did the treadmill tests to sort me out but although I had angiograms and they tried to stent me they failed and then I had a sonar scan that said that I didn’t have angina but it all came too late so my C1 was gone.
So, like Martin, I gave up.

The problem with overloading is that even an ounce over and your licence doesn’t cover you so your insurance is void so they can charge you with driving without insurance.

HTH

David 


On 26 Mar 2019, at 07:37, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Hi Carol, Peter and Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to reply  with your experiences hints and links.
I knew there was a wealth of knowledge here!
I don't plan to drive a mini-bus or larger vehicle but as they are on my current licence I think I might try to retain them if it doesn't prove too difficult.
As our vehicles are plated just under 3.5 tons, I wonder how serious an offence might be if we overloaded a tad. Not only would we be overloading the vehicle but perhaps be guilty of driving without an appropriate licence!
Thanks again,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter S via Groups.Io" <pstallwood@...>
Sent: 25/03/2019 09:46:06
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Nigel Owen
 

Carol - assume you mean 3498kg not cc!

Nigel.

On 26/03/2019 11:45, Carol Weaver wrote:
Duncan's experience was a bit the same.  Except he had just had a shoulder operation 5 days before he had to do the treadmill test...and was still in a sling.... removed to go in for it.

He almost failed, he wasn't as fit as he thought and it was the length of the time.  However we bought a treadmill that Christmas and he walks a mile at least 5 days a week on it, so when he did it three years ago it was not a problem at all.  

But now giving it up voluntarily really because it can take so much time out of our holidays in the summer months, and you can drive in UK, but April/May/June is when we like to be away in EU.... so rather than have it again, our Dethleffs is 3498cc

Carol


Click here  For Motorhome Owners here is a link to photographs of aires, stellplatz, chateaux, wargraves, NT properties etc.  








On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 11:18, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
Hello John

I was refused my C1 on the grounds that I had angina. I have never had an attack but I seem to always fail treadmill tests.
After my failure I was advised of two things that I did wrong.
I applied for both C1 (light goods) and D1 (mini bus). If you do this then they are taken together so you fail both together if you fail one and the D1 is more severe a test than the C1. So if you have no pressing need to drive a mini bus do not apply for the D1.
I used my own doctor who knew far too much about me from their own records. Go to a specialist test doctor who doesn’t know you so will have to find what is wrong with you on the day.
I used my own doctor for the eye test and she got it wrong. At first they failed me on that until my own optician did it right but I suspect that they still thought my eyes were dodgy.
I still think that they made up their minds that I was dodgy and failed me then found reasons to justify it. I even tried to get the heart specialist who did the treadmill tests to sort me out but although I had angiograms and they tried to stent me they failed and then I had a sonar scan that said that I didn’t have angina but it all came too late so my C1 was gone.
So, like Martin, I gave up.

The problem with overloading is that even an ounce over and your licence doesn’t cover you so your insurance is void so they can charge you with driving without insurance.

HTH

David 


On 26 Mar 2019, at 07:37, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Hi Carol, Peter and Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to reply  with your experiences hints and links.
I knew there was a wealth of knowledge here!
I don't plan to drive a mini-bus or larger vehicle but as they are on my current licence I think I might try to retain them if it doesn't prove too difficult.
As our vehicles are plated just under 3.5 tons, I wonder how serious an offence might be if we overloaded a tad. Not only would we be overloading the vehicle but perhaps be guilty of driving without an appropriate licence!
Thanks again,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter S via Groups.Io" <pstallwood@...>
Sent: 25/03/2019 09:46:06
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Carol Weaver
 

Duncan's experience was a bit the same.  Except he had just had a shoulder operation 5 days before he had to do the treadmill test...and was still in a sling.... removed to go in for it.

He almost failed, he wasn't as fit as he thought and it was the length of the time.  However we bought a treadmill that Christmas and he walks a mile at least 5 days a week on it, so when he did it three years ago it was not a problem at all.  

But now giving it up voluntarily really because it can take so much time out of our holidays in the summer months, and you can drive in UK, but April/May/June is when we like to be away in EU.... so rather than have it again, our Dethleffs is 3498cc

Carol


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On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 11:18, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
Hello John

I was refused my C1 on the grounds that I had angina. I have never had an attack but I seem to always fail treadmill tests.
After my failure I was advised of two things that I did wrong.
I applied for both C1 (light goods) and D1 (mini bus). If you do this then they are taken together so you fail both together if you fail one and the D1 is more severe a test than the C1. So if you have no pressing need to drive a mini bus do not apply for the D1.
I used my own doctor who knew far too much about me from their own records. Go to a specialist test doctor who doesn’t know you so will have to find what is wrong with you on the day.
I used my own doctor for the eye test and she got it wrong. At first they failed me on that until my own optician did it right but I suspect that they still thought my eyes were dodgy.
I still think that they made up their minds that I was dodgy and failed me then found reasons to justify it. I even tried to get the heart specialist who did the treadmill tests to sort me out but although I had angiograms and they tried to stent me they failed and then I had a sonar scan that said that I didn’t have angina but it all came too late so my C1 was gone.
So, like Martin, I gave up.

The problem with overloading is that even an ounce over and your licence doesn’t cover you so your insurance is void so they can charge you with driving without insurance.

HTH

David 


On 26 Mar 2019, at 07:37, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Hi Carol, Peter and Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to reply  with your experiences hints and links.
I knew there was a wealth of knowledge here!
I don't plan to drive a mini-bus or larger vehicle but as they are on my current licence I think I might try to retain them if it doesn't prove too difficult.
As our vehicles are plated just under 3.5 tons, I wonder how serious an offence might be if we overloaded a tad. Not only would we be overloading the vehicle but perhaps be guilty of driving without an appropriate licence!
Thanks again,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter S via Groups.Io" <pstallwood@...>
Sent: 25/03/2019 09:46:06
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

David Scholes
 

Hello John

I was refused my C1 on the grounds that I had angina. I have never had an attack but I seem to always fail treadmill tests.
After my failure I was advised of two things that I did wrong.
I applied for both C1 (light goods) and D1 (mini bus). If you do this then they are taken together so you fail both together if you fail one and the D1 is more severe a test than the C1. So if you have no pressing need to drive a mini bus do not apply for the D1.
I used my own doctor who knew far too much about me from their own records. Go to a specialist test doctor who doesn’t know you so will have to find what is wrong with you on the day.
I used my own doctor for the eye test and she got it wrong. At first they failed me on that until my own optician did it right but I suspect that they still thought my eyes were dodgy.
I still think that they made up their minds that I was dodgy and failed me then found reasons to justify it. I even tried to get the heart specialist who did the treadmill tests to sort me out but although I had angiograms and they tried to stent me they failed and then I had a sonar scan that said that I didn’t have angina but it all came too late so my C1 was gone.
So, like Martin, I gave up.

The problem with overloading is that even an ounce over and your licence doesn’t cover you so your insurance is void so they can charge you with driving without insurance.

HTH

David 


On 26 Mar 2019, at 07:37, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Hi Carol, Peter and Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to reply  with your experiences hints and links.
I knew there was a wealth of knowledge here!
I don't plan to drive a mini-bus or larger vehicle but as they are on my current licence I think I might try to retain them if it doesn't prove too difficult.
As our vehicles are plated just under 3.5 tons, I wonder how serious an offence might be if we overloaded a tad. Not only would we be overloading the vehicle but perhaps be guilty of driving without an appropriate licence!
Thanks again,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter S via Groups.Io" <pstallwood@...>
Sent: 25/03/2019 09:46:06
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Nigel Owen
 

Andy:

Thanks for this - very useful information!

Nigel.

On 26/03/2019 09:55, andyowl2004 via Groups.Io wrote:
Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)
 
Because we (76 and 74 years old) drive a m/h over 3.5tonne we have to have medicals. Our GP charged us over £200 each for the "medicals" - 10 minutes form-filling and no actual tests at all!
 
The next time I went to www.D4Drivers.uk (NOT .co.uk!) who charged £50 for the same "medical"! I chose one of their locations not far from home and it was all very smooth. They specialise in medicals for HGV and other similar professional drivers. They operate all over the UK. I went to a local Holiday Inn for my appointment!
 
Call 0808 178 0725 to make a booking or ask questions. Nice people!
 
Note: I have no connection with this company other than as a satisfied customer. There are other companies doing similar things including car race licence and taxi medicals.
 
I had to get my optician to give me a prescription for the specs I wear (and they are entitled to charge you although, if you are already due for a regular NHS eye test, the prescription may be free).
 
You will have to get the eye prescription even if you go to your GP. They give you a list of things to take to the medical including a Urine Sample and a list of any medication you may be taking.
 
If you have had a cataract or Glaucoma DVLA may require a "Visual Fields" test. 
 
If they send you to SpecSavers for this test, make sure that SpecSavers use the CORRECT DVLA test procedure. My wife had 3 Specsavers tests (all performed incorrectly) and several NHS specialist tests (all satisfactory but not acceptable to DVLA!) before DVLA agreed she could go to Moorfields Eye Hospital and have the test done by them. She passed!
 
* The scope to get it wrong includes one eye at a time or both eyes together? With specs or without specs? Noisy or cold room and interruptions. Do your own homework on the DVLA website and find out what DVLA actually require! Don't trust the operative, they may be a trainee (she was in two cases). SpecSavers will also NOT TELL YOU whether you have passed or not! You have to waste 3-4 weeks for DVLA to get back to you with a refusal to issue your new licence! If DVLA get it wrong APPEAL. It works. Don't give in or be browbeaten into accepting your licence being taken away. You cannot get it back with taking a new driving test.
 
Beware SPECSAVERS! They have a monopoly on doing eye tests for DVLA to the exclusion of almost all others including the optician you have been using for years. This may change in the future but we have bad experience of SpecSavers doing DVLA eye tests. In a subsequent year she went to Worcester Park, Surrey, SpecSavers who did the job correctly unlike another local SpecSavers.
 
Filling in the DVLA forms (especially D2 - Application) correctly is essential and since they change the rules without warning, and the "Help notes" DVLA provide are useless, it is worth phoning DVLA and asking their help to fill in the form. Get the person's name who helps you!  Try saying "Thank you. You have been very helpful. May I have your name please?" Photocopy the D2 form before you send it back.
 
The Medical Form "D4" is supplied by D4Drivers and they fill it in for you. Get one tick wrong (as my GP did once) and DVLA will send it back! Photocopy the D4 form before you send it back.
 
The first time I renewed my C1 licence I ticked the wrong box on the D2 and DVLA assumed the D4 medical was unnecessary (at £200!) and sent in error! They shredded the D4 and sent me the standard "up to 3.5t" licence. When I protested that I DID want the over 3.5t C1 licence they said I must have a new medical. When I appealed and said I could provide a photocopy of the D4 they gave in and allowed it to be used.
 
Always take a photocopy of BOTH SIDES of your licence before sending it back in case they lose it! Better still, if you have "mislaid it" when you send in the form, tell them so and therefore do not send it!
 
Always, always, always, send the forms etc. to DVLA using "SIGNED FOR" 1st class post. They have denied receiving forms and letters several times until I was able to tell them when my letter was received and who signed for it! Magic!
 
AndyMac


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Bennett Family
 

Andy,

I think you have clearly illustrated why I opted to downsize!

Thanks

Martin 

On 26 Mar 2019, at 09:55, andyowl2004 via Groups.Io <andyowler@...> wrote:

Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)
 
Because we (76 and 74 years old) drive a m/h over 3.5tonne we have to have medicals. Our GP charged us over £200 each for the "medicals" - 10 minutes form-filling and no actual tests at all!
 
The next time I went to www.D4Drivers.uk (NOT .co.uk!) who charged £50 for the same "medical"! I chose one of their locations not far from home and it was all very smooth. They specialise in medicals for HGV and other similar professional drivers. They operate all over the UK. I went to a local Holiday Inn for my appointment!
 
Call 0808 178 0725 to make a booking or ask questions. Nice people!
 
Note: I have no connection with this company other than as a satisfied customer. There are other companies doing similar things including car race licence and taxi medicals.
 
I had to get my optician to give me a prescription for the specs I wear (and they are entitled to charge you although, if you are already due for a regular NHS eye test, the prescription may be free).
 
You will have to get the eye prescription even if you go to your GP. They give you a list of things to take to the medical including a Urine Sample and a list of any medication you may be taking.
 
If you have had a cataract or Glaucoma DVLA may require a "Visual Fields" test. 
 
If they send you to SpecSavers for this test, make sure that SpecSavers use the CORRECT DVLA test procedure. My wife had 3 Specsavers tests (all performed incorrectly) and several NHS specialist tests (all satisfactory but not acceptable to DVLA!) before DVLA agreed she could go to Moorfields Eye Hospital and have the test done by them. She passed!
 
* The scope to get it wrong includes one eye at a time or both eyes together? With specs or without specs? Noisy or cold room and interruptions. Do your own homework on the DVLA website and find out what DVLA actually require! Don't trust the operative, they may be a trainee (she was in two cases). SpecSavers will also NOT TELL YOU whether you have passed or not! You have to waste 3-4 weeks for DVLA to get back to you with a refusal to issue your new licence! If DVLA get it wrong APPEAL. It works. Don't give in or be browbeaten into accepting your licence being taken away. You cannot get it back with taking a new driving test.
 
Beware SPECSAVERS! They have a monopoly on doing eye tests for DVLA to the exclusion of almost all others including the optician you have been using for years. This may change in the future but we have bad experience of SpecSavers doing DVLA eye tests. In a subsequent year she went to Worcester Park, Surrey, SpecSavers who did the job correctly unlike another local SpecSavers.
 
Filling in the DVLA forms (especially D2 - Application) correctly is essential and since they change the rules without warning, and the "Help notes" DVLA provide are useless, it is worth phoning DVLA and asking their help to fill in the form. Get the person's name who helps you!  Try saying "Thank you. You have been very helpful. May I have your name please?" Photocopy the D2 form before you send it back.
 
The Medical Form "D4" is supplied by D4Drivers and they fill it in for you. Get one tick wrong (as my GP did once) and DVLA will send it back! Photocopy the D4 form before you send it back.
 
The first time I renewed my C1 licence I ticked the wrong box on the D2 and DVLA assumed the D4 medical was unnecessary (at £200!) and sent in error! They shredded the D4 and sent me the standard "up to 3.5t" licence. When I protested that I DID want the over 3.5t C1 licence they said I must have a new medical. When I appealed and said I could provide a photocopy of the D4 they gave in and allowed it to be used.
 
Always take a photocopy of BOTH SIDES of your licence before sending it back in case they lose it! Better still, if you have "mislaid it" when you send in the form, tell them so and therefore do not send it!
 
Always, always, always, send the forms etc. to DVLA using "SIGNED FOR" 1st class post. They have denied receiving forms and letters several times until I was able to tell them when my letter was received and who signed for it! Magic!
 
AndyMac


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

andyowl2004
 

Driving vehicles over 3.5t and up to 7.5t +750kg trailer (C1 or C1+E "Grandfather" rights)
 
Because we (76 and 74 years old) drive a m/h over 3.5tonne we have to have medicals. Our GP charged us over £200 each for the "medicals" - 10 minutes form-filling and no actual tests at all!
 
The next time I went to www.D4Drivers.uk (NOT .co.uk!) who charged £50 for the same "medical"! I chose one of their locations not far from home and it was all very smooth. They specialise in medicals for HGV and other similar professional drivers. They operate all over the UK. I went to a local Holiday Inn for my appointment!
 
Call 0808 178 0725 to make a booking or ask questions. Nice people!
 
Note: I have no connection with this company other than as a satisfied customer. There are other companies doing similar things including car race licence and taxi medicals.
 
I had to get my optician to give me a prescription for the specs I wear (and they are entitled to charge you although, if you are already due for a regular NHS eye test, the prescription may be free).
 
You will have to get the eye prescription even if you go to your GP. They give you a list of things to take to the medical including a Urine Sample and a list of any medication you may be taking.
 
If you have had a cataract or Glaucoma DVLA may require a "Visual Fields" test. 
 
If they send you to SpecSavers for this test, make sure that SpecSavers use the CORRECT DVLA test procedure. My wife had 3 Specsavers tests (all performed incorrectly) and several NHS specialist tests (all satisfactory but not acceptable to DVLA!) before DVLA agreed she could go to Moorfields Eye Hospital and have the test done by them. She passed!
 
* The scope to get it wrong includes one eye at a time or both eyes together? With specs or without specs? Noisy or cold room and interruptions. Do your own homework on the DVLA website and find out what DVLA actually require! Don't trust the operative, they may be a trainee (she was in two cases). SpecSavers will also NOT TELL YOU whether you have passed or not! You have to waste 3-4 weeks for DVLA to get back to you with a refusal to issue your new licence! If DVLA get it wrong APPEAL. It works. Don't give in or be browbeaten into accepting your licence being taken away. You cannot get it back with taking a new driving test.
 
Beware SPECSAVERS! They have a monopoly on doing eye tests for DVLA to the exclusion of almost all others including the optician you have been using for years. This may change in the future but we have bad experience of SpecSavers doing DVLA eye tests. In a subsequent year she went to Worcester Park, Surrey, SpecSavers who did the job correctly unlike another local SpecSavers.
 
Filling in the DVLA forms (especially D2 - Application) correctly is essential and since they change the rules without warning, and the "Help notes" DVLA provide are useless, it is worth phoning DVLA and asking their help to fill in the form. Get the person's name who helps you!  Try saying "Thank you. You have been very helpful. May I have your name please?" Photocopy the D2 form before you send it back.
 
The Medical Form "D4" is supplied by D4Drivers and they fill it in for you. Get one tick wrong (as my GP did once) and DVLA will send it back! Photocopy the D4 form before you send it back.
 
The first time I renewed my C1 licence I ticked the wrong box on the D2 and DVLA assumed the D4 medical was unnecessary (at £200!) and sent in error! They shredded the D4 and sent me the standard "up to 3.5t" licence. When I protested that I DID want the over 3.5t C1 licence they said I must have a new medical. When I appealed and said I could provide a photocopy of the D4 they gave in and allowed it to be used.
 
Always take a photocopy of BOTH SIDES of your licence before sending it back in case they lose it! Better still, if you have "mislaid it" when you send in the form, tell them so and therefore do not send it!
 
Always, always, always, send the forms etc. to DVLA using "SIGNED FOR" 1st class post. They have denied receiving forms and letters several times until I was able to tell them when my letter was received and who signed for it! Magic!
 
AndyMac


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Ernest Bull
 



On 25 Mar 2019, at 07:23, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

I am sure that that is so John. Your MH would be classified as a Private Light Goods vehicle.

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed? 

A question of your plans to either move up to a bigger van or to tow a trailer. In my own case, although I was happy enough on the road, the whole bit of levelling and manhandling was going beyond me when past 80. 

Although it must be noted that even with my heart problems and a triple by-pass, I passed my first medical with the comment, “You are in a better condition than some we pass fit to drive buses.”

Happy MHing
————

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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Bennett Family
 

On 26 Mar 2019, at 07:38, John Clemence via Groups.Io <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Hi Carol, Peter and Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to reply  with your experiences hints and links.
I knew there was a wealth of knowledge here!
I don't plan to drive a mini-bus or larger vehicle but as they are on my current licence I think I might try to retain them if it doesn't prove too difficult.
As our vehicles are plated just under 3.5 tons, I wonder how serious an offence might be if we overloaded a tad. Not only would we be overloading the vehicle but perhaps be guilty of driving without an appropriate licence!
Thanks again,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter S via Groups.Io" <pstallwood@...>
Sent: 25/03/2019 09:46:06
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

John Clemence
 

Hi Carol, Peter and Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to reply  with your experiences hints and links.
I knew there was a wealth of knowledge here!
I don't plan to drive a mini-bus or larger vehicle but as they are on my current licence I think I might try to retain them if it doesn't prove too difficult.
As our vehicles are plated just under 3.5 tons, I wonder how serious an offence might be if we overloaded a tad. Not only would we be overloading the vehicle but perhaps be guilty of driving without an appropriate licence!
Thanks again,
John.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter S via Groups.Io" <pstallwood@...>
Sent: 25/03/2019 09:46:06
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Mike
 

John, I suffer from sleep-apnoea & was worried prior to notifying the DVLA & insurers but my notifications were met with a resounding “OK , maintain use of CPAP machine & monitoring by clinic”.

 

I’m more worried about those not diagnosed, ignoring symptoms or not using medication etc.

 

Mike K

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io <motorhome-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.


Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Peter S
 

 

Yes John.

 

You can drive a vehicle up to 3500kg. Anything over that you will need a medical etc to get a C1 entitlement. 

 

The wording for these things is not always precise. 3500kg is OK 3500.00001 kg is not. This is why so many motorhomes are plated at 3500kg.

 

See page 8 of the download :-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences

 

Peter S

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Clemence
Sent: 25 March 2019 07:24
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

 

 

Hi,

I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.

I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 

Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?

Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?

If so, how convoluted is the application. 

In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.

John.

 


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Re: Over Seventy Driving Licence Renewal

Carol Weaver
 

John. Just about to do Duncan’s renewal for 3rd time

If your mh is less than 3.5T then you can renew online

If registered over DO NOT do it online. You need to complete a D1? Form from PO or downloadable online. Then a medical (cost) and then send it off. If when they receive it they feel they need more information they may contact your doctor or in Duncan’s case send him for the treadmill test. (He had a stent in 99 paid for by us as he was working in Nigeria at the time where no medical facilities existed and after a first and only angina attack the Consultant said belt and braces) do stent fitted. ). Absolutely NO problems since no attacks in 20 years!!  But it impacts on our insurance

So only if you need to keep the C1 for over 3.5T (grandfathers rights) part do you need to do the medical

As our mh is 3.498cc. Duncan has decided not to bother to keep the C1 part again this time. It also impacted on our holiday last time as we had to change our tunnel booking three times. In desperation I contacted my MP who actually got it to us in 35 hours.   

I gave mine up as I am diabetic on insulin and I would only have got a one year driving licence.  As our birthdays are May and June we would forever have them mucked up

HTH 

Carol

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 07:23, John Clemence <clemence.john@...> wrote:

Hi,
I had almost completed my licence renewal on line when the last page informed me that my permission to drive a mini-bus and medium sized vehicles, (3.5 - 7 ton), would not be renewed, just car licence.
I expect this is something other members on the list will have come across so my questions are;_ 
Am I allowed to drive my 3.5 ton Autosleepers Broadway on a normal car licence?
Is it worth retaining the mini-bus and medium vehicle / trailer options as I think a medical is needed?
If so, how convoluted is the application. 
In common with those complaining about insurance health issues I expect my medication for high blood pressure could be a problem. I really find this illogical, If one has high BP diagnosed and is treated effectively one must be a far safer risk than the thousands of folk who have high BP and not had it diagnosed, and yet we get penalised for it! Rant over but any advice on members experience with the licence will be most welcome.
John.

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