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Comet Neowise

Ernest Bull
 

For the first time in many days, I can see a clear blue sky. But will the Bristol sky stay clear enough to see the comet tonight?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2248712-how-to-see-the-spectacular-comet-neowise-with-the-naked-eye/

Have any of you seen in yet where you are, or where you have been?
______

ErnB


Re: Van Respray

Don Madge
 

Mick we had our Fiat Timberland resprayed the paint job was very good but the problems started when inexperienced workers started refitting the windows,solar panels, roof vents and other external panels.
We trusted Timberland to the job but they got the local Fiat agent to dd the job. It took months to get it sorted.

I think it might be wise to visit some of the larger dealers who have their own spray shop. 

Good luck.

Don


Re: Van Respray

I'm Bazbro
 

Consider having it done at a boat yard.  They often have facilities for dealing with "big" vehicles like ours and are often overlooked by motorhomers.
Barry

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 1:22 pm Mick Potter, <mickpotter@...> wrote:
We have an Adria Maxivan, a 10yo converted Fiat Ducato hi-top panel van.  We want to have a respray - the original Fiat paintwork is a Friday afternoon job. Before I start looking for someone to do the respray, I could do with a few bits of advice.

Has anyone experience of having a respray?  Would a 'bog standard' car/van resprayer be OK, or is it worthwhile going to someone with motorhome experience?

Does anyone have any recommendations, preferably (but not necessarily) within easy striking distance of East Hampshire?

Anything else?

TIA for the help.

Mick

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Van Respray

Mick Potter
 

We have an Adria Maxivan, a 10yo converted Fiat Ducato hi-top panel van.  We want to have a respray - the original Fiat paintwork is a Friday afternoon job. Before I start looking for someone to do the respray, I could do with a few bits of advice.

Has anyone experience of having a respray?  Would a 'bog standard' car/van resprayer be OK, or is it worthwhile going to someone with motorhome experience?

Does anyone have any recommendations, preferably (but not necessarily) within easy striking distance of East Hampshire?

Anything else?

TIA for the help.

Mick

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Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

M Stevenson
 

Hi,

Problem with a lot of GPS systems is ongoing subscription/update costs.
Manufacturers definitions of lifetime updates can also be disingenuous, and leave you in the lurch when they deem the unit is obsolete.

I also use the Maps.me software with archies POIs.
Country maps and updates can be downloaded for free.
I replaced the Fiat radio with a PX5 double din Android 8 unit and 128gb SD card.

Normally I use Maps.me or IGO Primo for Navigation and OziExplorer OS maps in a split screen mode so I can see where the thing is proposing to send us and ignore minor side roads.
This is overlayed with a nice BIG coloured HUD speed display.
Basically all eggs in one basket and does a whole lot more.
It can do WiFi, 4G, Reversing Cam or OBD2 and TPMS with accessories.

There's no dash clutter/sucker marks and it looks quite plain to look at.
Identical setup to my phone, so familiar in use and immediate backup available if replacement needed.

Cheers,
Max


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Yes the sometimes incorrect speed limit warnings are a pain - plainly ported over from the truck version where unladen weight determines some of the limits. I wonder how many have noticed and how many follow them slavishly? (timidly?).  Swapping back to car mode is easy though so I can check when in doubt.

 

POI visibility is improved if you can get rid of some of the supplied POIs with their extra-size icons (most of those are of little use for our lifestyle).  Personal POIs appear/disappear around a particular zoom level so I’m careful to select that as part of the starting off routine – easy enough with my ‘home’ POI less than ½ mile away (for security).

 

Another POI quirk is a limit on the Favourites (rather than POI sets), Garmin UK were might surprised when I demonstrated to them that anything close to 500 causes some really odd behaviour and then no more can added. That was a couple of models ago, not fixed as far as I’m aware.  500 is quite a lot but not difficult to accumulate on multi-country trips.  The work around is to use them added to the POI set (Garmin use a single combined POI file but retains the names for the menu/selection) so I have POIs like Favs2018 and FavsFrance2018. Actually I prefix the most used sets with a number to get them to appear at the top of the menu list in the order I want and grouped too, so important French POIs are all prefixed 7a, 7b, 7c, etc. Works for me.

 

 

 

Best regards

Neill   (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
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From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter S
Sent: 16 July 2020 10:26
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Need a Sat-Nav?

 

I only replaced my old TT because it failed. I bought a new one and was dismayed when I realised how awful the new system was with pois and being able to find a town and see on the map where aires, campsites etc are as the icons could be seen.

 

I have a Garmin based sat nav in the van and I don’t think that is as good as the old TT as well. The speed warnings are all wrong for a 3500kg van and loading pois is a faff on.

 

Peter S

 

 

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Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Peter S
 

I only replaced my old TT because it failed. I bought a new one and was dismayed when I realised how awful the new system was with pois and being able to find a town and see on the map where aires, campsites etc are as the icons could be seen.

 

I have a Garmin based sat nav in the van and I don’t think that is as good as the old TT as well. The speed warnings are all wrong for a 3500kg van and loading pois is a faff on.

 

Peter S

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Derek Sims
Sent: 16 July 2020 08:58
To: Motorhome List
Subject: Re: Re: [motorhome-list] Need a Sat-Nav?

 

That must have been the Boris model ;-)

Derek

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On 16/07/2020, 07:58 David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:

I agree with everything that you say Neill and I understand about mass markets. And, yes, I managed to download the poi (equivalent) of camper contact onto a Garmin but it never displayed on the map although I could navigate to it though it seemed peculiar going to a blank space on the map.

I am no longer sure that my old TT was a 720. It could have been a 270. Ernie had the same one but I think his died.

It was far from perfect though. It was constantly demanding that I do a u-turn amongst other things.

 

David

 

 

On 16 Jul 2020, at 05:39, Neill King &#92;(MH-List&#92;) <yahoo@...> wrote:



I do all that on Garmin. Not exactly intuitive though.

 

It then all comes back to the difficulty of (the user) adapting to a new system with a different concept of how it should all work, rarely successful it seems.

 

Talking of concept, these are commercial items, apart from certain internal design philosophies they are designed to make money from the maximum number of users (and using quite limited power compared with PCs, iPads, etc).  As I understand it we frequent roamers with time on our hands are a bit of a rarity in the satnav market and the current satnavs & systems are designed and tested to appeal to the mass market – plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh?

 

Best regards

Neill   (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
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From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Buff via groups.io
Sent: 15 July 2020 20:48
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Need a Sat-Nav?

 

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


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Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Keith Smith
 

Although I’m a Tomtom fan, I have tried others, - I never have found one that matched the Tomtom. Now using the Truck version - Pro-Trucks 5150, which has all the bells and whistles required (length, width, height, weight etc.), has not let me down yet. 🤗

However, for those who like their POI’s and the ability to create them, there is an App. called Maps.Me, not only does it allow you to create data-bases ( called bookmarks in Maps.Me) but also allows navigation using the App. Most POI’s can be converted to .kml format (which is the format used by Maps.Me) and stored on the device being used. It works on both Android and Apple IOS.

Another App. now in use is searchforsites (or the free online version at https://www.searchforsites.co.uk/), again you can make a list, with its own name for your POI’s. The App also allows you to navigate using your lists, or the lists occasionally put out by the App owner (aires, sites, wild camping etc.). Combining the three makes for relatively easy travelling.
Keith

On 15 Jul 2020, at 20:47, Buff via groups.io <huffbuffforums@...> wrote:

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Derek Sims
 

That must have been the Boris model ;-)

Derek

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On 16/07/2020, 07:58 David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
I agree with everything that you say Neill and I understand about mass markets. And, yes, I managed to download the poi (equivalent) of camper contact onto a Garmin but it never displayed on the map although I could navigate to it though it seemed peculiar going to a blank space on the map.
I am no longer sure that my old TT was a 720. It could have been a 270. Ernie had the same one but I think his died.
It was far from perfect though. It was constantly demanding that I do a u-turn amongst other things.

David


On 16 Jul 2020, at 05:39, Neill King &#92;(MH-List&#92;) <yahoo@...> wrote:



I do all that on Garmin. Not exactly intuitive though.

 

It then all comes back to the difficulty of (the user) adapting to a new system with a different concept of how it should all work, rarely successful it seems.

 

Talking of concept, these are commercial items, apart from certain internal design philosophies they are designed to make money from the maximum number of users (and using quite limited power compared with PCs, iPads, etc).  As I understand it we frequent roamers with time on our hands are a bit of a rarity in the satnav market and the current satnavs & systems are designed and tested to appeal to the mass market – plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh?

 

Best regards

Neill   (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
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neill@... motorcaravanning@...

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From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Buff via groups.io
Sent: 15 July 2020 20:48
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Need a Sat-Nav?

 

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

David Scholes
 

I agree with everything that you say Neill and I understand about mass markets. And, yes, I managed to download the poi (equivalent) of camper contact onto a Garmin but it never displayed on the map although I could navigate to it though it seemed peculiar going to a blank space on the map.
I am no longer sure that my old TT was a 720. It could have been a 270. Ernie had the same one but I think his died.
It was far from perfect though. It was constantly demanding that I do a u-turn amongst other things.

David


On 16 Jul 2020, at 05:39, Neill King &#92;(MH-List&#92;) <yahoo@...> wrote:



I do all that on Garmin. Not exactly intuitive though.

 

It then all comes back to the difficulty of (the user) adapting to a new system with a different concept of how it should all work, rarely successful it seems.

 

Talking of concept, these are commercial items, apart from certain internal design philosophies they are designed to make money from the maximum number of users (and using quite limited power compared with PCs, iPads, etc).  As I understand it we frequent roamers with time on our hands are a bit of a rarity in the satnav market and the current satnavs & systems are designed and tested to appeal to the mass market – plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh?

 

Best regards

Neill   (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
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www.motorcaravanning.co.uk 01789-778825 551345165

neill@... motorcaravanning@...

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From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Buff via groups.io
Sent: 15 July 2020 20:48
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Need a Sat-Nav?

 

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

I do all that on Garmin. Not exactly intuitive though.

 

It then all comes back to the difficulty of (the user) adapting to a new system with a different concept of how it should all work, rarely successful it seems.

 

Talking of concept, these are commercial items, apart from certain internal design philosophies they are designed to make money from the maximum number of users (and using quite limited power compared with PCs, iPads, etc).  As I understand it we frequent roamers with time on our hands are a bit of a rarity in the satnav market and the current satnavs & systems are designed and tested to appeal to the mass market – plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh?

 

Best regards

Neill   (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
--------------------------------------------------------------
www.motorcaravanning.co.uk 01789-778825 551345165

neill@... motorcaravanning@...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On-line motorhome parts & accessory shop with added information

 

 

 

From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Buff via groups.io
Sent: 15 July 2020 20:48
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Need a Sat-Nav?

 

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Elwyn
 

It is a pity, the only thing I can offer with regards to POIs is something like Viewranger. Even if you're in another country with limited data, if you've prepared before hand and downloaded the free maps for the area to a certain level you can store POI that can then be accessed through the website and your online accesss/web page etc.

It might sound a bit convoluted but it is a method. Another way is using an older version of Memory Map but it doesnt have the online sync and management system. You'd have to do everything on the device.

I think Viewranger can import certain files, that might help you.

Good luck

Elwyn


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

David Scholes
 

Hi Buff

I used to do exactly what you do on my old TomTom 720. I have been trying to find a more modern one with a larger screen but have totally failed so far. Like you I am now using my phone with Google maps for much of my navigation but the way it handles pois is fairly useless.
If you ever find a new device that works like the old TT 720, please let us know.

David


On 15 Jul 2020, at 20:47, Buff via groups.io <huffbuffforums@...> wrote:

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Buff and Hugh
 

We're still using a 12 year old TomTom because when I was wondering a few years ago about a replacement I found that several of the features that we rely on had been removed.

We make very extensive use of POIs that we create ourselves.  When I was looking it appeared that more recent versions of TomTom would not allow:
- creation of POIs on the device (adding a selected point on the map to a user-defined category of POIs, and naming each POI)
- exporting such POIs to a PC
- importing sets of POIs from the PC

It also appeared that itinerary planning seemed to be very limited on more recent devices ... it was no longer possible to create an itinerary of more than 3 or 4 waypoints.

At the time, advice from the PocketGPSWorld forum was to move to Garmin. However, I decided to stick with the old device until it dies.

I'm also beginning to use Google Maps for navigation, and have tried using its Saved Places as well as maps imported from My Maps but am finding these facilities far from straightforward and surprisingly limited in places.

I've also used the Android app OsmAnd for trip planning (but not for navigation) but don't find it very user-friendly.

Does anyone here make extensive use of user-defined POIs and itinerary planning? If so, what device and/or app do you use? And how convenient do you find it? 


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Carol Weaver
 

That’s the truck version of mine but mine also has a built in dash cam

Carol

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 13:02, Elwyn <webforum.emails@...> wrote:
I've a Garmin Dezl Truck. 780 I think.

I've covered 142,000 miles with it since I got it. I can't recall how
long I've had it but its at least 3 years now.

Elwyn



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Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Elwyn
 

I've a Garmin Dezl Truck. 780 I think.

I've covered 142,000 miles with it since I got it. I can't recall how long I've had it but its at least 3 years now.

Elwyn


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

David Scholes
 

Very interesting Martin. I tried your little route on all my devices and all passed the test except for the Apple maps on my phone which took the bad route.

David


On 14 Jul 2020, at 09:16, Bennett Family via groups.io <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:

Carol, 

My test is the last part of the route from say Tesco In St Austell to Pentewan. If it routes you on the unclassified single track road with passing places that takes you through Porthpean and down Pentewan Hill (1in4) rather than the main B road route used by buses to Mevagissey then it fails my test. 

So far the Garmins that I have had have failed (Old & newer) and the old TomTom Truck passes but is no longer supported. I suspect the B&Q delivery truck that was stuck on that route for about 3 days was using Garmin and I’ve seen a number of motorhomes and caravans driven by ashen faced individuals emerge at the bottom. 

Last year I had to rescue a girl who had got out of her car half way up the hill and was too scared to continue. 

My first Sat Nav was from John Lewis. I can’t remember the model but it should have been called The Homing Pigeon because after about 50 miles it asked you to do a U turn and took you back home. They refunded the money. 

Martin


On 14 Jul 2020, at 08:54, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:


I think GPS’ are very subjective as we need them for different things. Alan has more Uses than I do

To Duncan they are really a means at end of trip to find exactly where we need to be but he still prefers to write out his map by hand to follow a route HE wants - neither fastest or shortest - generally more interesting.  

Me I set it to go where I want and generally follow it, but that’s more for local driving than in EU.  But do prefer to know my route

The 785 Camper can update over WiFi, can link to phone, browse and weather on it. I’m sure it does far more than I need tbh but I’m just learning this one 

Carol

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 21:44, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 15:59, Brent <brentiow.c@...> wrote:

> On 12 Jul 2020, at 18:26, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
>
>  However generally superior than TomTom.
>
> Then ErnB wrote:
>
> ended up with a Garmin Camper 760.  it must be my most regretted purchase.
>
> Well now I'm totally confused - doesn't take much!!!
>
> So what Alan is your findings/conclusions for you statement please?

I bought my first GPS receiver 24 years ago in July 1996.  It was a
Garmin GPS-75.  In those days there were no maps, only a blank canvas
for the owner to add waypoints and add ones track in use and also
older tracks.  It was first used with OS paper maps.  Soon I was using
Palmtop (who later traded as TomTom) digital maps on Psion computers
to navigate.  But limited to one country at a time - no border
crossings!  For many years TomTom mapping software was the market
leader in Europe and I bought the first TomTom GPS receiver.

I bought a Garmin eMap GPSr and in 2004 bought Garmin's StreetPilot
2610.  Probably Garmin's best 'state-of-the-art' ever.  When it failed
due to old age and heavy use, I bought, as did Carol, a Garmin 765T.
Talking to Garmin at Southampton, they advised me that was equivalent
to a 2610, but it wasn't.  Carol liked it but I didn't - different
types of usage.

I bought my second TomTom, their first for motorhomes.  They claimed
that their maps were the most up-to-date and could be regularly
updated.  Having updated the maps I travelled through France with the
TomTom and Garmin 765T.  There were so many errors in the TomTom maps,
that I used a three year old Garmin handheld GPSr with it's old maps
and POIs, to find places.

On returning home I bought an S5000, can't remember it's make, but
although claimed to be designed for use in a motorhome, it was
impossible to set up for MH speed limits.  So three GPSrs that were
unsuitable.  Thus back to a Garmin, a 660 for use with a motorhome.

I've had a Hymer and two new cars with fitted GPS and although
reasonably OK, do not have the waypoint and tack features I need.  The
Hymer one does announce reaching or going into a lower speed limit by
voice and that is very good.

My current GPSr is Garmin GPS 276cx.  It is a re-introduction of their
old but very popular 276, using modern technology, however retaining
old-style mechanical buttons in preference to a touch screen.

The vehicle's GPS and 276cx are used on significant journeys.  So I
get th\e best of both worlds.

All makes have their quirks and good points, it's knowing how to setup
the options to obtain what one wants.

Alan.



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Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

timsinc Sinclair
 

Interesting that my TomTom phone app just been updated - gave in after
nagging when trying to use it only locally while stranded in new-to-me
lockdown area. Seems to have a newish interface and requires
downloading new different maps. England, for example, divided up into
maps of different regions - I downloaded them all.

Will soon be able to try it out in anger, as at last I'm about to move on.

Campervan Tim


Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

How any of you manage to buy a car or even a washing machine is beyond me! J

 

Can’t say I’ve ever had a car / washing machine / oven / sat nav / pc / phone / camera that I thought was perfect but got used to their quirks, ignored (for the most part) the bits I didn’t like, and found ways to work around the rest.

 

Just in the interest of balance here and not wishing to start a ‘flame war’ I dislike TomTom (yes I’ve tried some), MACs, Hoover & Hotpoint and even my iPhone to some extent - but do favour Garmin. Like others I lament the old 2620 ‘preferred roads’ option but otherwise have been pretty satisfied with the 700/800 series. Mapping errors apart (on any brand) that is.

 

Any of them might take you down a lane if it isn’t mapped as narrow and this is common in rural locations. I do play with shortest / fastest settings even in mid trip to modify the satnav ‘suggestions’ and am averse to heading off unexpectedly down an unlikely looking lane in known difficult areas like parts of Devon & Cornwall. In pre-planning I will often put in a couple of waypoints to modify the route to be more to my liking. That said when feeling relaxed in some part of rural France I’ll set a cross country destination that isn’t too far away on ‘shortest’ and have enjoyed many memorable discoveries as a result! Have even reverted to car mode just for fun an to get off all those damn dual carriageways.

 

Life is for living not whinging!!

 

Happy travelling.

 

 

Best regards

Neill   (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
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Re: Need a Sat-Nav?

Bennett Family
 

Carol, 

My test is the last part of the route from say Tesco In St Austell to Pentewan. If it routes you on the unclassified single track road with passing places that takes you through Porthpean and down Pentewan Hill (1in4) rather than the main B road route used by buses to Mevagissey then it fails my test. 

So far the Garmins that I have had have failed (Old & newer) and the old TomTom Truck passes but is no longer supported. I suspect the B&Q delivery truck that was stuck on that route for about 3 days was using Garmin and I’ve seen a number of motorhomes and caravans driven by ashen faced individuals emerge at the bottom. 

Last year I had to rescue a girl who had got out of her car half way up the hill and was too scared to continue. 

My first Sat Nav was from John Lewis. I can’t remember the model but it should have been called The Homing Pigeon because after about 50 miles it asked you to do a U turn and took you back home. They refunded the money. 

Martin


On 14 Jul 2020, at 08:54, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:


I think GPS’ are very subjective as we need them for different things. Alan has more Uses than I do

To Duncan they are really a means at end of trip to find exactly where we need to be but he still prefers to write out his map by hand to follow a route HE wants - neither fastest or shortest - generally more interesting.  

Me I set it to go where I want and generally follow it, but that’s more for local driving than in EU.  But do prefer to know my route

The 785 Camper can update over WiFi, can link to phone, browse and weather on it. I’m sure it does far more than I need tbh but I’m just learning this one 

Carol

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 21:44, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 15:59, Brent <brentiow.c@...> wrote:

> On 12 Jul 2020, at 18:26, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
>
>  However generally superior than TomTom.
>
> Then ErnB wrote:
>
> ended up with a Garmin Camper 760.  it must be my most regretted purchase.
>
> Well now I'm totally confused - doesn't take much!!!
>
> So what Alan is your findings/conclusions for you statement please?

I bought my first GPS receiver 24 years ago in July 1996.  It was a
Garmin GPS-75.  In those days there were no maps, only a blank canvas
for the owner to add waypoints and add ones track in use and also
older tracks.  It was first used with OS paper maps.  Soon I was using
Palmtop (who later traded as TomTom) digital maps on Psion computers
to navigate.  But limited to one country at a time - no border
crossings!  For many years TomTom mapping software was the market
leader in Europe and I bought the first TomTom GPS receiver.

I bought a Garmin eMap GPSr and in 2004 bought Garmin's StreetPilot
2610.  Probably Garmin's best 'state-of-the-art' ever.  When it failed
due to old age and heavy use, I bought, as did Carol, a Garmin 765T.
Talking to Garmin at Southampton, they advised me that was equivalent
to a 2610, but it wasn't.  Carol liked it but I didn't - different
types of usage.

I bought my second TomTom, their first for motorhomes.  They claimed
that their maps were the most up-to-date and could be regularly
updated.  Having updated the maps I travelled through France with the
TomTom and Garmin 765T.  There were so many errors in the TomTom maps,
that I used a three year old Garmin handheld GPSr with it's old maps
and POIs, to find places.

On returning home I bought an S5000, can't remember it's make, but
although claimed to be designed for use in a motorhome, it was
impossible to set up for MH speed limits.  So three GPSrs that were
unsuitable.  Thus back to a Garmin, a 660 for use with a motorhome.

I've had a Hymer and two new cars with fitted GPS and although
reasonably OK, do not have the waypoint and tack features I need.  The
Hymer one does announce reaching or going into a lower speed limit by
voice and that is very good.

My current GPSr is Garmin GPS 276cx.  It is a re-introduction of their
old but very popular 276, using modern technology, however retaining
old-style mechanical buttons in preference to a touch screen.

The vehicle's GPS and 276cx are used on significant journeys.  So I
get th\e best of both worlds.

All makes have their quirks and good points, it's knowing how to setup
the options to obtain what one wants.

Alan.



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