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Re: [MH-list] Fiat 5th gear failure

Brian Marsden
 

At 12:21 10/10/2008, Neill wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@...
[mailto:motorhome-list@...] On Behalf Of Brian Marsd
I did enquire about all this. My gear man is very experienced having run his
midlands reconditioning business (mostly trade) for decades, he is also a
Hymer owner. He says not so, not least because they do lots of commercials
as well as motorhomes and cars - there was an ordinary Citroen Relay waiting
collection when I arrived. The lack of fuss about commercials seems to be
down to the different attitudes of the owners! I took his advice and
replaced like with like.
+++++++++++++++++snipped++++++++++++++++++
Thanks for the informative email Neill.
Regards
BrianM


Free to a good home

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

I have a set of internal thermal cab blinds for a 2003/4 Fiat Ducato; they
came with the van and have never been used. They are rather bulky but roll
up into bag. I think they would need collecting rather than posting.

Don.


Can you help....logistics.

W3526602@...
 

Hi,

We have decided to sell out place in France. It needs about another £1000
and a month spending on it, scheduled for next year. But somebody has expressed
an interest as it is now.

So, if thats the way it goes, I may have to dash over to France, collect
things like my trailer, cement mixer, ladders. tools, TV, and personal stuff,
etc. I would normally go via the tunnel, cos its cheaper and quicker. But
Brittany Ferries do special rates for short stays, used to be £100 for 5 days, but
I don't know what it is now.

The cottage is near Evran, about 30km South of St Malo, in Brittany. I live
in Glynneath, about 15 miles from Merthyr Tydfil.

Can anyone, without going to a lot of trouble, tell me the road milages from
Glynneath to Evran, going by...

Dover to Calais

Newhaven To Dieppe

Portsmouth to Caen

Poole Cherbourg

Portsmouth to St Malo

Plymouth to Roscoff.

Once I can calculate the fuel consumption, I can then factor in the cost of
crossing the channel, and then ponder whether it would be cheaper to hire a
economical van instead of taking my Land Rover. I bet it still comes out that
driving 650 miles(?) each way, and using the Chunnel is best.

602





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Re: [MH-list] Fiat 5th gear failure

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@...
[mailto:motorhome-list@...] On Behalf Of Brian Marsden

"Did you have the high ratio 5th gear fitted or the lower ratio?
Apparently--as far as I have heard---many fifth gear failures on motor homes
is due to the weight + a high fifth gear. Many people have now opted to fit
the lower gear ratio. This problem doesn't appear to be as prevalent with
"white van man" as they often run well below max weight"


I did enquire about all this. My gear man is very experienced having run his
midlands reconditioning business (mostly trade) for decades, he is also a
Hymer owner. He says not so, not least because they do lots of commercials
as well as motorhomes and cars - there was an ordinary Citroen Relay waiting
collection when I arrived. The lack of fuss about commercials seems to be
down to the different attitudes of the owners! I took his advice and
replaced like with like.

If there is a real difference between users it might be that initial oil
starvation is more likely on infrequently used vehicles - but my man says
poor design and c**p manufacturing are to blame. (The tiny amount of metal
engaging 5th has to be seen to be believed!).

He has a steady business reconditioning gearboxes of many different makes.
Many boxes he says have changed very little in very many years with the unit
often carried forward model after model and o many are now on the limit of
capacity for the torque they now have to transmit. He sees the Fiat family
problem as relatively trivial compared with say the mega-disintegration of
the Renault Trafic box when components fail there.

One tip given is not to engage fifth until maybe 5-10 miles of driving to
make sure the oil supply to the remote fifth cluster is working well. Others
have suggested that oil additives could be some extra and worthwhile
insurance. Also of course the standard advice not to 'labour' it in fifth
under high torque conditions ... it's quite possible that our perceptions of
'rev' and 'labour' are rather different to white van man's too?!

Another surprise was the story about the later box being OK. He says it
still fails in some numbers albeit that synchromesh is the now the main
culprit.

If there is a best policy - it seems to be to pray it won't be you!!


Best regards

Neill
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What a shock

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

The van is going into the Timberland works next week for some repairs and we
cleared the van out completely.

I was checking our maps and guide books for our winter trip and they weighed
in at 13 kgs.

Our problem is our plans are very flexible so we have to take country guides
(Lonely Planet) to cover most of eastern Europe/Turkey as well as
aires/stellplatz/campsite guides.
We don't have a TV so our reading library is quite large as well.

At present we have about 200kg spare payload but nowhere to store anything.
So it's back to the drawing board.

Don


Re: [MH-list] Fiat 5th gear failure

Brian Marsden
 

At 09:51 10/10/2008, Neill wrote:
Funny you should mention that ... had mine fixed only yesterday! I didn't
get any response here when asking the same question but can point you to
other useful threads if you email me off list. There are basically three
choices in order of likely cost; a) gearbox out, strip and repair; b) recon
gearbox exchange; c) replace the fifth gear cluster in situ. I opted for the
latter at a cost of £372 at a gearbox specialist - a fraction of the cost of
the other options! They did it while I waited, about a couple of hours.
++++++++++++++++++
Hi Neill
Did you have the high ratio 5th gear fitted or the lower ratio?
Apparently--as far as I have heard---many fifth
gear failures on motor homes is due to the weight
+ a high fifth gear. Many people have now opted to fit the lower gear ratio.
This problem doesn't appear to be as prevalent
with "white van man" as they often run well below max weight.
Regards
BrianM


Re: [MH-list] Fiat 5th gear failure

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@...
[mailto:motorhome-list@...] On Behalf Of
we_are_livin_the_dream

"I am aware that over the years there has been a problem with the 5th gear
on Fiat Ducato 2000 reg and about 50000 miles seem to be the 2 most
important facts.A number of members have written over the years telling of
this problem so when we had problems on leaving Norway in our 2000 reg with
49000 miles on the clock we suspected we had the problem as each time we
selected 5th it stayed in until we touched the accelerator then it jumps
out.Can anyone who has had this prob give us some idea on the cost of repair
and is the outcme good , please can give big thanks to all at list to get
work done how long it takes."


Funny you should mention that ... had mine fixed only yesterday! I didn't
get any response here when asking the same question but can point you to
other useful threads if you email me off list. There are basically three
choices in order of likely cost; a) gearbox out, strip and repair; b) recon
gearbox exchange; c) replace the fifth gear cluster in situ. I opted for the
latter at a cost of £372 at a gearbox specialist - a fraction of the cost of
the other options! They did it while I waited, about a couple of hours.

HTH


Best regards

Neill
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Re: [MH-list] Fridge Problem

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 10/10/08 08:32, "Fredthegaffer" <fredthegaffer@...> wrote:

May last? It doesn't clarify what the 'may' depends on.
You wait until someone pays a lot of money and takes a case to court. A
learned judge will then decide on the matter and his judgement then creates
another precedent and a definition will become law.

If it was defined by the law makers to begin with we wouldn't need lawyers.
But who drafts the laws?

BTW, joke. OT!

Q. What is the difference between a snake being run over and a lawyer being
run over?

A. The snake's body will be preceded by skid marks! :-))

I suppose the same joke could be applied to politicians.
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] Fridge Problem

Fredthegaffer <fredthegaffer@...>
 

your rights regarding 'satisfactory quality' includes major components like fridges and heaters and may last for up to six years, whatever the guarantee says.

May last? It doesn't clarify what the 'may' depends on.
Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neill King (MH-List)" <yahoo@...>
To: <motorhome-list@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: [MH-list] Fridge Problem


-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@...
[mailto:motorhome-list@...] On Behalf Of garwatts

"Dometic give 12 months guarantee in the UK but 4 years on the
continent! Why? How do they get away with?"


Your rights extend beyond any paper guarantee, often up to six years.
Although now fairly old this article is still largely valid
www.motorcaravanning.com/vehicles/sixyear_rule.htm


Best regards

Neill
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The Knaus Tabbert group is insolvent.

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

Morning all,

I lifted this from MHF.

"The Knaus Tabbert group is insolvent and has applied at court for the
German equivalent of an administration order".

Don


Re: [MH-list] Fridge Problem - your rights

Duncan in Bideford <duncan@...>
 

Neill King wrote

Your rights extend beyond any paper guarantee, often up to six years.
Although now fairly old this article is still largely valid
www.motorcaravanning.com/vehicles/sixyear_rule.htm
And sometimes even longer.

For example, Gaslow declare that some of their parts have a life of 15 or 25
years. That information is in their sales leaflets to tempt you to buy. It
follows that this becomes part of the contract between 1. Gaslow and the
seller and 2. The seller and the consumer.

Should any part fail prior to the declared life, the consumer is entitled to
compensation, from the seller, at least equal to the value of the unexpired
life. There could also be compensation due for any consequential loss.

Duncan


Fiat 5th gear failure

we_are_livin_the_dream
 

I am aware that over the years there has been a problem with the 5th
gear on Fiat Ducato 2000 reg and about 50000 miles seem to be the 2
most important facts.A number of members have written over the years
telling of this problem so when we had problems on leaving Norway in
our 2000 reg with 49000 miles on the clock we suspected we had the
problem as each time we selected 5th it stayed in until we touched the
accelerator then it jumps out.Can anyone who has had this prob give us
some idea on the cost of repair and is the outcme good , please can
give big thanks to all at list to get work done how long it takes.


Re: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

On Thurs 09 October 2008 20:15 Peter S wrote

The way it's going the wife will have to stay at home so that we can be
within the MGW!
=========================================
Peter,

I've got about 200kgs spare capacity but no room to store anything else.

Don


Re: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

Peter S
 

The way it's going the wife will have to stay at home so that we can be
within the MGW!

Peter S

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@... [mailto:motorhome-
list@...] On Behalf Of Don Madge
Sent: 09 October 2008 19:26
To: motorhome-list@...
Subject: RE: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

On Thurs 09 October 2008 18:40 peter S wrote


Switzerland is "NO" according to the AA.

Germany and Belgium are recommended but compulsory if the vehicle is
registered in the country.

See http://tinyurl.com/pw55q

Who do we believe?

Best carry a kit than not in any event.
--------------------------------------------
Peter,

In some countries some items are not compulsory in visiting vehicles but
I've got the compete works or I will have when I sort the headlamp bulbs
out.

I asked a pal who was a training officer with the local ambulance service
to
help me put a first aid kit together. Leave it with me and I'll sort you a
kit. I now have enough kit to do open heart surgery on the hard shoulder
of
a motorway. LOL

Don


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Re: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

On Thurs 09 October 2008 18:40 peter S wrote


Switzerland is "NO" according to the AA.

Germany and Belgium are recommended but compulsory if the vehicle is
registered in the country.

See http://tinyurl.com/pw55q

Who do we believe?

Best carry a kit than not in any event.
--------------------------------------------
Peter,

In some countries some items are not compulsory in visiting vehicles but
I've got the compete works or I will have when I sort the headlamp bulbs
out.

I asked a pal who was a training officer with the local ambulance service to
help me put a first aid kit together. Leave it with me and I'll sort you a
kit. I now have enough kit to do open heart surgery on the hard shoulder of
a motorway. LOL

Don


Re: [MH-list] Fridge Problem

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@...
[mailto:motorhome-list@...] On Behalf Of garwatts

"Dometic give 12 months guarantee in the UK but 4 years on the
continent! Why? How do they get away with?"


Your rights extend beyond any paper guarantee, often up to six years.
Although now fairly old this article is still largely valid
www.motorcaravanning.com/vehicles/sixyear_rule.htm


Best regards

Neill
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Re: [MH-list] Motorhome Petition to No10

Phil Morand <blue@...>
 

How so?

1 - It's illiterate.

2 - It's unclear as to its motives - is it referring to the LEZ?

3- If so, that has nothing to do with 10 Downing Street, it was introduced
by TFL under Ken, so now it's the buffoon's responsibility.

Btw, what's going on with all the question marks?

Regards
Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@...
[mailto:motorhome-list@...] On Behalf Of Tworome3 Yahoo
Sent: 09 October 2008 17:54
To: motorhome-list@...
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Motorhome Petition to No10

As I have already said the person did a lot more than you have done ?? which
in my book says a lot ?




----- Original Message -----
From: Pet Human
To: motorhome-list@...
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Motorhome Petition to No10


Tworome3 Yahoo wrote:

> I do think that the petition could have been worded better, but I
> haven't got the time or inclination to spend the time to do it, so I
> take my hat off to the one person who has spent the time and trouble to
> put something together that may just help

The problem here is that whoever put this together did NOT take the time
and trouble to explain clearly the two simple things needed in any
petition: what the problem is, and what they want done.

Taking time and trouble would have involved taking a few minutes to
research the correct title and details of the charge, and writing one or
two sentences to explain clearly what they oppose and why.

Instead of doing that, someone bunged up an incoherent moan about
something barely identifiable, and didn't even bother to spell check it.
That's downright lazy on behalf of the poster, and it has led to more
than 700 others wasting their own time signing a useless moan.

And if anyone things that this incoherence "may just help" ... well,
don't place any bets on it. What public official is going to waste time
and energy following up on something as incoherent as this?








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Re: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

Peter S
 

Switzerland is "NO" according to the AA.

Germany and Belgium are recommended but compulsory if the vehicle is
registered in the country.

See http://tinyurl.com/pw55q

Who do we believe?

Best carry a kit than not in any event.

Peter S

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@... [mailto:motorhome-
list@...] On Behalf Of Don Madge
Sent: 09 October 2008 18:06
To: motorhome-list@...
Subject: RE: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

On Thurs 09 October 2008 17:20 Peter S wrote

They are right as far as I can see from the AA site. There are a few in
Europe where it is recommended and in Austria it appears to be compulsory.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the Caravan Club First Aid kits are compulsory in

Austria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Italy
Slovakia
Switzerland.

Don


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Re: [MH-list] Safety stuff.

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

On Thurs 09 October 2008 17:20 Peter S wrote

They are right as far as I can see from the AA site. There are a few in
Europe where it is recommended and in Austria it appears to be compulsory.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the Caravan Club First Aid kits are compulsory in

Austria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Italy
Slovakia
Switzerland.

Don


Re: [MH-list] Motorhome Petition to No10

tworome3
 

As I have already said the person did a lot more than you have done ?? which in my book says a lot ?

----- Original Message -----
From: Pet Human
To: motorhome-list@...
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Motorhome Petition to No10


Tworome3 Yahoo wrote:

> I do think that the petition could have been worded better, but I
> haven't got the time or inclination to spend the time to do it, so I
> take my hat off to the one person who has spent the time and trouble to
> put something together that may just help

The problem here is that whoever put this together did NOT take the time
and trouble to explain clearly the two simple things needed in any
petition: what the problem is, and what they want done.

Taking time and trouble would have involved taking a few minutes to
research the correct title and details of the charge, and writing one or
two sentences to explain clearly what they oppose and why.

Instead of doing that, someone bunged up an incoherent moan about
something barely identifiable, and didn't even bother to spell check it.
That's downright lazy on behalf of the poster, and it has led to more
than 700 others wasting their own time signing a useless moan.

And if anyone things that this incoherence "may just help" ... well,
don't place any bets on it. What public official is going to waste time
and energy following up on something as incoherent as this?