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Re: [MH-list] 2009

theberties
 

--- In motorhome-list@..., <derek_sims@...> wrote:


Just a short note to wish all members a Happy New Year, and to say
thank
you for (nearly!) all the contributions over the last year.

As some will know we are off to Morocco shortly - this time next
week
we'll be in France on our way.
Andy
We might see you on the road Andy, we are on 9am sailing next Thursday,
spending 1st night at St Maure de Touraine, i think.

bertie


Topic drift [was: BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING]

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

This seems to have strayed away from the original topic somewhat. The *occasional* off topic drift is acceptable, but *please* remember to change the subject line.

Andy Clarke
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Re: [MH-list] 2009

derek_sims@...
 

Just a short note to wish all members a Happy New Year, and to say thank
you for (nearly!) all the contributions over the last year.

As some will know we are off to Morocco shortly - this time next week
we'll be in France on our way.
Andy

Hope you both have a super trip. Thank you for the excellent work you have done yet again for both lists.

A Happy New Year to you and to all List members.

We are booked on Eurotunnel for 17th January but as of two days ago I now have a broken ankle, so how that will affect our travel plans I've no idea at present.

Best wishes

Derek & Tish


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Euro whoops!

geoff_dwsn <sucodude@...>
 

Went to the travel agents to change 160euro that had been sitting in a
cupboard since last July , what a surprise to find that to buy euros
was £1=.99e. we got £147 for our euros as we cant see us going abroad
this year if the pound continues its fall. Where will it end...Happy
new year to all,,,,,Geoff


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Re: [MH-list] 2009

Carol Weaver
 

Andy and Nette - a Happy New Year to you both and all other members as well,
safe travelling, and if you can, it would be great to hear how you get
on....

Thanks for all your work again this year, trying to keep us on track and
sorting us out when we go too far off.

Carol

2009/1/1 Andy Clarke <andy@...>

Just a short note to wish all members a Happy New Year, and to say thank
you for (nearly!) all the contributions over the last year.

As some will know we are off to Morocco shortly - this time next week
we'll be in France on our way.

Jim Cheney has very kindly agreed to look after the Motorhome List
whilst I'm away, I'm sure you will all be gentle with him :)

Andy Clarke
Motorhome List Owner



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2009

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

Just a short note to wish all members a Happy New Year, and to say thank you for (nearly!) all the contributions over the last year.

As some will know we are off to Morocco shortly - this time next week we'll be in France on our way.

Jim Cheney has very kindly agreed to look after the Motorhome List whilst I'm away, I'm sure you will all be gentle with him :)

Andy Clarke
Motorhome List Owner


Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

W3526602@...
 

In a message dated 01/01/2009 09:50:06 GMT Standard Time, ernb@...
writes:

We did!! It was the coal ration. One bucket full per barrack per night. We
had a thieving rotor. Every night two guys would go out and nick 4 buckets
of coal. Our stoves, firebricks removed, and their chimneys almost gave
enough light to read by.



Hi Ern,

Happy days. We used to don out army pattern boots, and two of us we ho out
carrying the dustbin. Anything made of wood was liable to be kicked until it
broke, then carried home in the dustbin.

One bloke got caught collecting coke from behind the cinema. Up in front of
the CO, who said....." I can't understand why anybody would want to steal
coal".

Amother bloke at square bashing put his boots next to the stove. He came
back to find them standing in a puddle of melted polish.

But a red hot stove didn't heat the billet.

602


Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Adrian Harman
 

Mind You
You tell that to the kids today and they won't believe you..[?]
All the best for a great 2009 to all on the list and sod the credit crunch
Adrian

2009/1/1 Martin Bennett <martin@...>


February 1978 saw us touring the South West in an ancient Ford Freedom
with pop-up roof.

It started snowing on Bodmin Moor and we eventually got as far as
Sticklepath (?) before all the traffic stopped. Truck drivers were moved
to the village hall but we slept in the van - that's me, my pregnant
wife + our 5 year old daughter. We had hot water bottles - one fell out
and lodged against a wheel arch - it was frozen solid the next day.

We finished up digging ourselves back to the main carriageway using
plastic plates! Those were the days!

Martin
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Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Bennett Family
 

February 1978 saw us touring the South West in an ancient Ford Freedom with pop-up roof.

It started snowing on Bodmin Moor and we eventually got as far as Sticklepath (?) before all the traffic stopped. Truck drivers were moved to the village hall but we slept in the van - that's me, my pregnant wife + our 5 year old daughter. We had hot water bottles - one fell out and lodged against a wheel arch - it was frozen solid the next day.

We finished up digging ourselves back to the main carriageway using plastic plates! Those were the days!

Martin
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Hats off to Andy

Paul Millar
 

Since we got our camper van a year ago I have learnt so much from
everyone who contributes to this list. I love the way that issues
unfold and people chip in with their experience.

So thanks to everyone on the list and particularly to Andy for
maintaining it for all our benefit.

I expect we'll all be passing each other in our own native beauty
spots this year - UK - given the Euro is about to be worth more than the
pound :-(

Any way fellow listers - carry on motorhoming! It's the only way to
stay sane in this crazy world!

Paul


Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 1/1/09 05:33, "W3526602@..." <W3526602@...> wrote:

I can't say we felt particularly hard done by.
We did!! It was the coal ration. One bucket full per barrack per night. We
had a thieving rotor. Every night two guys would go out and nick 4 buckets
of coal. Our stoves, firebricks removed, and their chimneys almost gave
enough light to read by.

Nil illegitimo carburrundum! I think we used to say.
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Bristol


Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

W3526602@...
 

In a message dated 31/12/2008 19:57:39 GMT Standard Time,
brianmarsden@... writes:

I can remember getting up of a mornings
and finding ice on the inside of the single glazed windows.



Hi Brian,

Try RAF Weeton near Blackpool, winter of 1959 (I think). We would wake up to
find ice on our blankets. We slept with out clothes in bed with us, and got
dressed before emerging from under the blankets......including out greatcoats,
and in some cases, our boots.

I can't say we felt particularly hard done by.

602


LTE

ErnB
 

LG Electronics Tuesday unveiled modem chipsets for its fourth-generation
mobile platform ― Long-term evolution or LTE ― the first among mobile handset
makers here.
I picked up a reference to LTE on a BBC World Service programme. Something
to eclipse Wi-Max, by all accounts. Dead before it took its first breath.
Bit of a record there somewhere.

Anyway, I read all the techno-babble, but as I am only familiar with some of
the words in the Oxford dictionary, I found it totally incomprehensible.

What is it exactly? Is it something that will help us connect up while on
the move? Will it be cheap?

Puzzled,
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Brian Marsden
 

At 17:39 31/12/2008, Brian wrote:
I've never quite understood why gas heaters need special ventilation whilst gas hobs don't.
I guess it's a matter of degree.
But whilst I happily cook on gas without extra ventilation, I am told that I should not use the hob for heating.
How does it know whether I'm cooking or not before it kills me?!
Many years ago--more than I care to remember our original camping-car was an old "bay window" volkswagen. We didn't have any heating and although we did not camp in freezing conditions--unless we got caught out--we had our own heating solution.
I had two thermal bricks from an old night storage heater (remember them!!) and when it was cold we put them on the hob after cooking dinner until they got nice and hot.That was our "central heating" and we soon got under the covers. I can remember getting up of a mornings and finding ice on the inside of the single glazed windows. Altogether now--- "those were the days".
Happy New Year To You All.
Regards
BrianM


Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Brian <simply.closer@...>
 

Thanks Alan.
Gas cooking needs some extra ventilation.
Gas cooker hobs, maybe ok for a quick burst of heat but not recommeded.
Thanks
Brian
P.S My rooflights have seized up. Must fix them.

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Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Alan Cocks
 

Brian wrote:
I've never quite understood why gas heaters need special ventilation whilst gas hobs don't.
I guess it's a matter of degree.
Yes quite so. Hob and oven cooking are short term and are not designed for you to use in the unventilated van - nor are they intended for your use when asleep.

The handbooks will say that when using the hob you are responsible for the ventilation yourself.

But whilst I happily cook on gas without extra ventilation,
Levels of carbon monoxide may have a long term effect, be careful, and do your own research.

I am told that I should not use the hob for heating.
How does it know whether I'm cooking or not before it kills me?!
It does not care in the slightest, it will kill you if you let it! Kitchen knives do the same!
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Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

Brian wrote:
I've never quite understood why gas heaters need special ventilation whilst gas hobs don't.
I guess it's a matter of degree.
But whilst I happily cook on gas without extra ventilation, I am told that I should not use the hob for heating.
How does it know whether I'm cooking or not before it kills me?!

A gas hob is an 'attended appliance' whereas a gas heater is a 'continuously burning appliance'

Attended appliances are regarded as being in use, and attended, for a short period of time, continuously burning appliances are regarded as being in use, unattended, for a relatively longer period of time.

The amount of fixed ventilation provided by the motorhome manufacturer usually takes into account these different patterns of use. The ventilation provided may not be adequate for the extended use of, for example, a gas hob, for heating purposes.

Besides that, burning LPG produces water vapour which, where possible, should be vented to outside to prevent excessive condensation. It will also, of course, consume oxygen and produce carbon dioxide.

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Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

kenny.macdougall
 

Hi i use a propex blown hot air for heating and i leave it on when it is very cold
Kenny

----- Original Message -----
From: alan c
To: motorhome-list@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING


Andy Clarke wrote:
> B WEBB wrote:
>> Happy New Year to you and everybody else on the list.
>>
>> With your problem tI am concerned that yur ventilation sounds to be
>> inadequate. Ventilation is vital and the first indication from that
>> amount of condensation is that you have too little. If you're waking
>> with any degree of a headache, less than a hangover but still that
>> heavy feeling, then you should look to increase your ventilation
>> before you do anything else. Beware of using the gas heater,
>> especially overnight if you have inadequate ventilation, two people
>> died while stopping overnight right in the centre of Cardiff within
>> about 100 yards of the main police station, THEY found the bodies, due
>> to fumes. Admittedly the gases used in camping heaters are heavier
>> than air and you are in the luton, but problems can still occur and in
>> your case especially for your dogs!
>>
>
> It seems to me that the only place ventilation is inadequate is around
> the mattress in the luton. This should be relatively easy to solve. As
> an experiment simply insert some slats of wood around the sides of the
> mattress to keep it away from the sides of the van, this will allow air
> to circulate and should reduce or eliminate condensation. It would also
> be a good idea to prop the mattress up during the day to help dissipate
> any moisture.

In our Hymer Camp Swing (circa 2004), the blown air heating has a
channel up past the sink unit and is vented in the the *under bed
layer* (!) We use the MH all year all weathers and have never seen
condensation under the bed, probably for this reason.

> There is no danger in using a properly maintained Truma heater
> overnight, air for combustion is drawn from outside the motorhome and
> the exhaust is also conducted to outside.

yes, as you say, the burner unit is completely sealed away from the
living space.

> Deaths such as those mentioned are almost always due to poorly
> maintained gas appliances being used, or using heaters or gas fridges
> that are not vented to outside.

If the gas hob or oven (if fitted) is used for heating then the well
designed in safety of the truma system is not used at all, and such
open flame heating from the cooking system is potentially lethal. I
would not want to use this (for heating) even if the roof skylight was
open.
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Re: [MH-list] BIG PROBLEM WITH CONDENSATION IN LUTON ON HYMER CAMP SWING

Brian <simply.closer@...>
 

I've never quite understood why gas heaters need special ventilation whilst gas hobs don't.
I guess it's a matter of degree.
But whilst I happily cook on gas without extra ventilation, I am told that I should not use the hob for heating.
How does it know whether I'm cooking or not before it kills me?!

Brian
-


If the gas hob or oven (if fitted) is used for heating then the well
designed in safety of the truma system is not used at all, and such
open flame heating from the cooking system is potentially lethal. I
would not want to use this (for heating) even if the roof skylight was
open.
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alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391, Linux user #360648