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Re: [MH-list] solar panal

pj_home
 

I had two Biard 100 watt flexi panels fail on me after 12 months use. Both went to zero volts output. Luckily I stuck them down to a 1 inch wooden batten in case I had to remove them later. When I contacted the supplier they asked how they were mounted and they said I had mounted them correctly as they fail because they get too hot stuck direct to a motorhome roof. The batten allows an air flow under the panel and aids cooling.

Thats not what the instructions said that they came with or the adverts you see for them say. They seem to say you can stick them direct and even walk on them without shoes after installation. I didnt argue with them as they replaced both free of charge after I sent them pictures of the installation and a snap of the panels output cables connected to a volt meter. I reinstalled the replacements the same as before. I have since sold that van with both panels on it so dont know if they are still working.

Paul

On 13/03/2018 23:07, Ernest Bull ernb32@... [motorhome-list] wrote:

On 12 Mar 2018, at 19:23, kenny.macdougall@... <mailto:kenny.macdougall@...> [motorhome-list] <motorhome-list@... <mailto:motorhome-list@...>> wrote:

I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed
One of the few projects that have become cheaper with time, Kenny.
These days I would be tempted to go for a flexible panel(s) stuck straight onto the roof. Less wind resistance and easier to clean. Getting at the crud under a big panel is not easy when atop a ladder. Plus they collect fewer twigs when passing under trees and close to hedges.
Do not forget to use UV grade cabling on the roof and for maximum efficiency, use an MPPT type charge controller that will provide a feed for the engine battery. I had one (Can’t remember make.) that supported a remote control panel to show battery voltage, capacity and charge rate.
NB I found British sourced panels and accessories very expensive. I bought a kit from Top Accessoires in France and fitted it myself. I cannot seem to access old messages on this list, but I posted details back in about 2004 or 2005.
HTH
ErnB

Re: [MH-list] solar panal

pj_home
 

I would second what Neil says here, a second battery is a VERY good idea. It would give you more power to call on during the dull days and you would not waste as much of the suns energy on the sunny days as you would be usefully charging both batteries for longer. Once a big panel has topped up a single battery the rest of the days sun is wasted.

Paul

On 13/03/2018 23:44, 'Neill King (Yahoo Lists)' yahoo@... [motorhome-list] wrote:

To get the most out of solar panels consider adding another battery. This is likely to give the biggest improvement of all!  Solar Panel companies are there to sell you just that but the first thing they ought to offer is the extra battery!
I have twin panels of 180W total on the roof feeding twin batteries of 220AHr total via a dedicated solar controller. If doing it now with currently available products I’d have slightly bigger panels maybe 240W and also an MPPT controller. The controller/regulator is an important part of the system, don’t scrimp on that.
All that said my older system works just fine.
Don’t get too hung up about any ‘exact’ spec or decisions though - adding any solar >60W will give a decent improvement, more solar will give greater improvement, especially in poorer weather, but will at some point be limited by the amount of battery storage available (hence the advice above) – but all choices will simply ‘work’ to one degree or another.
Don’t forget we are collecting power from a very variable weather/energy system and passing over to very variable humans – exact just doesn’t come into it!
DIY is perfectly possible but it does involve holes in the roof.
Best regards
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 Hi All,
 I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed
Kenny

Re: [MH-list] solar panal

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

To get the most out of solar panels consider adding another battery. This is likely to give the biggest improvement of all!  Solar Panel companies are there to sell you just that but the first thing they ought to offer is the extra battery!

 

I have twin panels of 180W total on the roof feeding twin batteries of 220AHr total via a dedicated solar controller. If doing it now with currently available products I’d have slightly bigger panels maybe 240W and also an MPPT controller. The controller/regulator is an important part of the system, don’t scrimp on that.

 

All that said my older system works just fine.

 

Don’t get too hung up about any ‘exact’ spec or decisions though - adding any solar >60W will give a decent improvement, more solar will give greater improvement, especially in poorer weather, but will at some point be limited by the amount of battery storage available (hence the advice above) – but all choices will simply ‘work’ to one degree or another.

 

Don’t forget we are collecting power from a very variable weather/energy system and passing over to very variable humans – exact just doesn’t come into it!

 

DIY is perfectly possible but it does involve holes in the roof.

 

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Subject: [MH-list] solar panal

 




 Hi All,

 I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed    

Kenny




Re: [MH-list] solar panal

Trevor Mace
 

I agree with all said here. Just need to make something clear. MPPT controllers give you more useable current than PWM because you can use solar panels with a higher (voltage) output. The 140W panel I have has an possible output of 28volts. It's these extra volts that are 'folded back' into the final 14v or so charging the battery.

Trevor

On 13/03/2018 05:45, Paul Jackson paul.f.jackson@... [motorhome-list] wrote:
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If you are even a little bit "handy" and have a step ladder or something
to give you access to your roof its very easy to do the job yourself.
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Re: [MH-list] solar panal

Ernest Bull
 


On 12 Mar 2018, at 19:23, kenny.macdougall@... [motorhome-list] <motorhome-list@...> wrote:

I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed     
One of the few projects that have become cheaper with time, Kenny. 

These days I would be tempted to go for a flexible panel(s) stuck straight onto the roof. Less wind resistance and easier to clean. Getting at the crud under a big panel is not easy when atop a ladder. Plus they collect fewer twigs when passing under trees and close to hedges.

Do not forget to use UV grade cabling on the roof and for maximum efficiency, use an MPPT type charge controller that will provide a feed for the engine battery. I had one (Can’t remember make.) that supported a remote control panel to show battery voltage, capacity and charge rate.

NB I found British sourced panels and accessories very expensive. I bought a kit from Top Accessoires in France and fitted it myself. I cannot seem to access old messages on this list, but I posted details back in about 2004 or 2005.

HTH

ErnB

Re: [MH-list] solar panal

pj_home
 

Hi

If you are even a little bit "handy" and have a step ladder or something to give you access to your roof its very easy to do the job yourself.

You need to survey the roof with a tape measure and see what size of panel will fit between any vents or other things already on your roof.
Then check out the prices of the panels that will fit and that are within your budget.

You will need some brackets to hold the panel to the roof and a box with cable glands to take the cables through the roof into the interior.

Inside you need a controller between the panel and the battery as Carol says an MPPT type would be the best. The controller should be rated to take the max current the panel can deliver with spare capacity if you are likely to add another panel later.

You will need some cable and I would say 4mm cable should be the minimum size you should use. Stick the brackets and the cable box to the roof with sikaflex leave a 3mm bead under the brackets and it wont need screwing down as well.

You will need to drill a hole in the roof where you will be placing the cable box usually into an internal cupboard or garage that will allow easy onward access for the cable to the battery compartment. You will need to make sure there is no wiring or other item below the roof at the point you intend to drill. Its easier to run and tack the cable across the roof and straight down to the battery than it is to route it through all your cupboards

The controller should be placed where you can see it if you want to monitor what is going on with the charging.

Wiring is really simple there will be a + and a - from the panel that goes into the controller at the panel input terminals then theres a + and a - from the controller to the battery.

Thats it. Sit back and enjoy the free power.

You can find all the things I mention above on ebay and amazon and lots of other places.

Search Ebay for item 122311434322 and you will see all the brackets and cable entry box and glands that you will need. Search for Solar Panel and you will get lots of different panels to choose from. Some will come as a kit some with cable. Some with a controller but most of them will be PWM types not MPPT.

Flexi panels are very light if weight is a problem but also more expensive. It really comes down to getting the biggest panel for your budget that will fit on your roof. You can have 2 panels wired in parallel where you add up the current each supplies for the total current rating required for your controller.

If you have the panel fitted you will pay a lot more than you need to. I can usually fit a panel in half a day if I have all the parts to hand.

Hope that helps.

Paul

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 Hi All,
 I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed
Kenny
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Re: [MH-list] solar panal

Carol Weaver
 

Hi Kenny

We’ve fitted them to four mhs. They’ve been fitted by VANBITZ in Taunton and Outdoorbits in EXMOUTH 

Both do excellent work

As big as possible on roof with an MPPT controller 

Carol


On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 21:24, kenny.macdougall@... [motorhome-list] <motorhome-list@...> wrote:
 

 Hi All,

 I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed    

Kenny

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Re: : RE: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

Germany is very strict on it's road safety regulations.

I've attended many Land Rover events on the continent and had discussions about fitting modifications to German vehicles.  Snow chains are just another option.

Their vehicle's documentation has to record modifications.

My English friend who lives with his German wife in Germany uses two vehicles.  His Land Rover naturally has 'winter' properties all year round.  His VW car has two sets of wheels and they are changed before winter sets in, to his 'winter' tyre wheels.

So carry as much documentation about ones tyres and the chains as possible when in Germany.

Reg.

Re: : RE: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Rud link to Weissenfels (alongside their Rud brand) too.

 

http://www.weissenfels.com/en/snow-chains/rex-tr  seem well priced.

 

 

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Subject: Re:: RE: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

 



Neill, thanks for the Vicarious link.

 

Luckily, we're not travelling until after Easter this spring, but since we have just bought new tyres we do need to understand where we will stand from this autumn onwards.

 

Vicarious says "proof that the tyres were manufactured and purchased before January 2018 may be required" which is rather worrying since we bought at the end of January. However, the German Government web page to which Vicarious links says (according to Google's translation) "M + S tires manufactured until 31 December 2017 may be used as winter tires until 30 September 2024" with no requirement that I can see for the tyres to have been purchased before 1st January.

 

I wonder if we can rely on that website. Perhaps if we carry a printout we shall be OK if we are challenged! 

 

This is, of course, provided we can establish that the tyres were manufactured bef ore 1st January. I've tried looking for the relevant markings but I think I'll have to wait until tomorrow when there's more light!

 

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Thank you, Neill and Carol for your further comments on chains.

 

The person I spoke to at snowchains.com said that the Thule XG-12 were "easy fitting" even if their website didn't say so, and said that they would be best for us (of the ones that they list). Since snowchains.co.uk said that the Weissenfels Rex TR (which snowchains.com don't stock) would be better for our heavy van, we are inclined to go with that advice.

 




Re: : Buying snow chains

Buff
 

Thanks, Colin and Reg, for your advice, and Neill for your post about rud. Plenty to think about!

Coming back to the new German requirement for winter tyres: since the near-universal advice is that winter tyres should not be used in summer this is surely going to be a real pain for people passing through Germany, especially in shoulder months (autumn and spring). Will we have to avoid Germany if we set out on a trip when we are likely to encounter hot weather (for example, a two-month trip starting a week or two before Easter and ending in May or June)? 

solar panal

kenny.macdougall
 

 Hi All,

 I am thinking of putting solar panels on my camper but I have no idea what need or what to get, I want something to charge my 120AH battery, can anyone please recommend what is needed    

Kenny

Re: : RE: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Buff
 

Neill, thanks for the Vicarious link.

Luckily, we're not travelling until after Easter this spring, but since we have just bought new tyres we do need to understand where we will stand from this autumn onwards.

Vicarious says "proof that the tyres were manufactured and purchased before January 2018 may be required" which is rather worrying since we bought at the end of January. However, the German Government web page to which Vicarious links says (according to Google's translation) "M + S tires manufactured until 31 December 2017 may be used as winter tires until 30 September 2024" with no requirement that I can see for the tyres to have been purchased before 1st January.

I wonder if we can rely on that website. Perhaps if we carry a printout we shall be OK if we are challenged! 

This is, of course, provided we can establish that the tyres were manufactured before 1st January. I've tried looking for the relevant markings but I think I'll have to wait until tomorrow when there's more light!

---

Thank you, Neill and Carol for your further comments on chains.

The person I spoke to at snowchains.com said that the Thule XG-12 were "easy fitting" even if their website didn't say so, and said that they would be best for us (of the ones that they list). Since snowchains.co.uk said that the Weissenfels Rex TR (which snowchains.com don't stock) would be better for our heavy van, we are inclined to go with that advice.
 

Re: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

Buff and Hugh have opened up a can of worms.

There are so many options that for most folk it's difficult to choose the best option.  But what is the best option for one vehicle and the situations that that vehicle will encounter.

My first motorhome was built on a Land  Rover Defender 130 chassis-cab in 2005.  I intended to buy chains, but the advice was conflicting.  Being a permanent 4x4 (i.e. always in 4-wheel drive), some recommended 4 chains others only two chains.

I never did buy chains, relying on good tyres which were replaced well before the tread approached a legal replacement.  I used the same type of tyres previously used on Land Rovers.  They were BFGoodrich All Terrain T/A.  Designed for 50%/50% on and off-road.  They produced a high mileage use, with a firm grip on surfaced roads and grass.  They have been replaced with a 'KO2' upgraded version.  Ideal for wild camping!

I used them in snow conditions without any problems, however I have had extensive professional cross-country driving tuition.

One fact that is indisputable, is that the driver's driving technique is far more important than tyre pattern or chains.  So legal requirement's are more important regarding having chains or not.

The other fact is that one can't control other drivers, who are generally less able that in years past.



I intended to fit these to my new second MH, but it came with Michelin campervan tyres and so I'm testing them.  Initial use indicates that use on grass is poor compared to the BFG tyres.
  

On 12 March 2018 at 11:31, 'Neill King (Yahoo Lists)' yahoo@... [motorhome-list] <motorhome-list@...> wrote:
 

http://www.snowchains.com is one good place to look – not least because they have a good range and understand that car chains aren’t suitable for motorhomes ..... Our central European cousins take snow very seriously and with good reason – beware of carrying our more casual English perspective with you!

 

I fully support Neill's comments, especially his last sentence.

So now we have two websites:-



Reg.



Re: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

We’ve used these people too.

http://www.rud.com/en/products/tyre-chains/snow-chains-shoe-chains/brands/suv-4x4-light-trucks.html

 

I’m not able to say which of the new ranges might suit. You’d need to ask them. I have a vague feeling they did exchange too but not certain about that.

 

 

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Hi Hugh

 

There shouldn’t be a problem with your Jan M+S, especially if they carry the ‘Alpine snowflake symbol’ but you might find it worth carry the receipt with you to prove the purchase date. Vicarious did a write up on all this recently https://www.vicarious-shop.com/blogs/vicarious-view/new-german-winter-tyre-regulations-january-1-2018 (The link to the German regs is tedious to sat the least!)

 

I do agree that buying snowchains is somewhat onerous!

 

Thule’s experience goes back a long way having bought König – a brand they’re starting to re-use. The Thule Easy-fit SUV 230 is highly regarded. Unfortunately I’m not expert on all the variations nor have I had my hands on them all so can’t make the judgements for you. It’s hard to get reviews for motorhomes, much easier for cars, but the relatively common ‘SUV’s take heavier duty kit so may be the market where a bit of research could be rewarding.

 

 

 

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Thank you, Martin and Neill, for your comments..

 

Like Martin, we hope not to drive in snow, but we do like to drive in mountains and we know from past experience how easy it is to encounter snow even late in spring, so we think we had better be equipped.

 

Thank you, Neill, for directing us to snowchains.com. I had previously been looking at snowchains.co..uk . (Curiously, they both operate from the same part of Kent (same STD code).) The two companies seem to stock a quite different range of brands with few overlaps, which adds to our difficulty in choosing!

 

I had got as far as phoning snowchains.co.uk and they steered me away from the Thule XG-12 towards the Weissenfels Rex TR. These are 17mm rather than 12mm, which presumably means that they are heavier in weight, in line with your recommendation, Neill.

 

We well understand the desirability of easy fitting, but find it difficult to know how to judge which chains would meet that criterion. The ones recommended by snowchains.co.uk score 8/10 for ease of fitting (whatever that means) and the video makes it look pretty straightforward. The only chains for 225/70R15 listed by snowchains.com as "easy fitting" ("Thule/Konig Easy Fit SUV")  cost about twice as much at £297. We'll have to decide whether it is worth paying that much more for chains that we hope we shall never use! They do list another "easy-to-fit" option, namely Snow Sox, which are of course much cheaper. and are described as "used by AA and RAC fleets". Up to now we have disregarded that option, but wonder whether anyone has any experience of using them in anger?

 

Have you got a reference, Neill, for the change in the German regulations? I've just tried googling and all the websites that I've looked at (including the RAC) refer only to a 2010 change in the law and say that "M&S" is good enough. When did/will the new law take effect? Will the M&S tyres we bought in January this year be acceptable? (Luckily, Easter this year is quite early!)

 

Buff and Hugh

 

 



Re: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Hi Hugh

 

There shouldn’t be a problem with your Jan M+S, especially if they carry the ‘Alpine snowflake symbol’ but you might find it worth carry the receipt with you to prove the purchase date. Vicarious did a write up on all this recently https://www.vicarious-shop.com/blogs/vicarious-view/new-german-winter-tyre-regulations-january-1-2018 (The link to the German regs is tedious to sat the least!)

 

I do agree that buying snowchains is somewhat onerous!

 

Thule’s experience goes back a long way having bought König – a brand they’re starting to re-use. The Thule Easy-fit SUV 230 is highly regarded. Unfortunately I’m not expert on all the variations nor have I had my hands on them all so can’t make the judgements for you. It’s hard to get reviews for motorhomes, much easier for cars, but the relatively common ‘SUV’s take heavier duty kit so may be the market where a bit of research could be rewarding.

 

 

 

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Thank you, Martin and Neill, for your comments.

 

Like Martin, we hope not to drive in snow, but we do like to drive in mountains and we know from past experience how easy it is to encounter snow even late in spring, so we think we had better be equipped.

 

Thank you, Neill, for directing us to snowchains.com. I had previously been looking at snowchains.co.uk . (Curiously, they both operate from the same part of Kent (same STD code).) The two companies seem to stock a quite different range of brands with few overlaps, which adds to our difficulty in choosing!

 

I had got as far as phoning snowchains.co.uk and they steered me away from the Thule XG-12 towards the Weissenfels Rex TR. These are 17mm rather than 12mm, which presumably means that they are heavier in weight, in line with your recommendation, Neill.

 

We well understand the desirability of easy fitting, but find it difficult to know how to judge which chains would meet that criterion. The ones recommended by snowchains.co.uk score 8/10 for ease of fitting (whatever that means) and the video makes it look pretty straightforward. The only chains for 225/70R15 listed by snowchains.com as "easy fitting" ("Thule/Konig Easy Fit SUV")  cost about twice as much at £297. We'll have to decide whether it is worth paying that much more for chains that we hope we shall never use! They do list another "easy-to-fit" option, namely Snow Sox, which are of course much cheaper. and are described as "used by AA and RAC fleets". Up to now we have disregarded that option, but wonder whether anyone has any experience of using them in anger?

 

Have you got a reference, Neill, for the change in the German regulations? I've just tried googling and all the websites that I've looked at (including the RAC) refer only to a 2010 change in the law and say that "M&S" is good enough. When did/will the new law take effect? Will the M&S tyres we bought in January this year be acceptable? (Luckily, Easter this year is quite early!)

 

Buff and Hugh




Re: : RE: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Buff
 

Thank you, Martin and Neill, for your comments.

Like Martin, we hope not to drive in snow, but we do like to drive in mountains and we know from past experience how easy it is to encounter snow even late in spring, so we think we had better be equipped.

Thank you, Neill, for directing us to snowchains.com. I had previously been looking at snowchains.co.uk . (Curiously, they both operate from the same part of Kent (same STD code).) The two companies seem to stock a quite different range of brands with few overlaps, which adds to our difficulty in choosing!

I had got as far as phoning snowchains.co.uk and they steered me away from the Thule XG-12 towards the Weissenfels Rex TR. These are 17mm rather than 12mm, which presumably means that they are heavier in weight, in line with your recommendation, Neill.

We well understand the desirability of easy fitting, but find it difficult to know how to judge which chains would meet that criterion. The ones recommended by snowchains.co.uk score 8/10 for ease of fitting (whatever that means) and the video makes it look pretty straightforward. The only chains for 225/70R15 listed by snowchains.com as "easy fitting" ("Thule/Konig Easy Fit SUV")  cost about twice as much at £297. We'll have to decide whether it is worth paying that much more for chains that we hope we shall never use! They do list another "easy-to-fit" option, namely Snow Sox, which are of course much cheaper. and are described as "used by AA and RAC fleets". Up to now we have disregarded that option, but wonder whether anyone has any experience of using them in anger?

Have you got a reference, Neill, for the change in the German regulations? I've just tried googling and all the websites that I've looked at (including the RAC) refer only to a 2010 change in the law and say that "M&S" is good enough. When did/will the new law take effect? Will the M&S tyres we bought in January this year be acceptable? (Luckily, Easter this year is quite early!)

Buff and Hugh

Re: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

http://www.snowchains.com is one good place to look – not least because they have a good range and understand that car chains aren’t suitable for motorhomes – but also because they offer both trade-in and rental deals. I traded in a set myself when we changed from 215 to 225 tyres and had to go up a chain size.

 

Don’t underestimate the added-value of (decent) easy-fit chains - when on your knees in snow with frozen fingers and feeling vulnerable with other vehicles sliding around they are worth their weight in gold!

 

Also beware of being tempted by ‘lightweight’ (without other considerations), the forces involved when used in anger are huge and the last thing you want is snapped chains and the possibility of being stuck + fined + now with damaged bodywork. Also remember that they are highly saleable if not/little used – and sold in the right season.

 

Re mountain passes & obligatory chains; there are a number of different dates depending on country and height of the pass. All have the rider ‘and when signed to do so’ because snow doesn’t read the calendar!

 

On top of that a number of areas demand Winter* Tyres and some with a minimum 4mm tread depth in season. (*The M+S designation is being phased out as an acceptable alternative in Germany already or very soon but pre-bought tyres are still acceptable, technically when accompanied but the receipt).

 

Our central European cousins take snow very seriously and with good reason – beware of carrying our more casual English perspective with you!

 

 

Best regards

Neill
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Re: : Re: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Colin Mitchell
 

We will be in Croatia and Slovenia from mid-May to mid-June and understand that snow tyres are a legal requirement until mid-April; the 19th rings a bell but it is as well to check dates and also the definition of snow tyres if you will be affected.  I think the UK embassy in Zagreb has an advisory on the subject on the Foreign Office's Travel Advisory website.

I have 3 different sets of chains for different vehicles (we live on a steep hill almost 2,000 ft above sea-level north of Barcelona!) and have never yet found a set that fits easily.  A word of advice; before you leave practice putting them on and taking them off, and then practice again and again until you are confident you could do it with snow on the ground!

All the best
Colin


---In motorhome-list@..., <martin@...> wrote :

We’re aiming at a similar journey April / May and add in Hungary, Croatia, Italy & France,  but didn’t anticipate needing snow tyres. 

I thought it was a requirement until Easter. However, we are sticking to the main routes. . . . . .

On 11 Mar 2018, at 14:17, huffbuffforums@... [motorhome-list] <motorhome-list@...> wrote:

 

We're planning an April/May trip through Germany and Austria to Slovenia and Croatia, so think we must buy snow chains. We would hope never to use them, but in case we do have to we would like them to be as easy as possible to put on and take off. And of course we want them to provide good traction. . . .. 


Re: [MH-list] Buying snow chains

Bennett Family
 

We’re aiming at a similar journey April / May and add in Hungary, Croatia, Italy & France,  but didn’t anticipate needing snow tyres. 

I thought it was a requirement until Easter. However, we are sticking to the main routes. 

I’ve only used snow chains once in Andorra. They were awkward to fit but got me out of a tricky position and then, about 5 mikes later, the snow disappeared and I had to take them off - which was equally awkward. I’d opt for “ease of fitting” as number one feature. 
I now have some snow socks which I’ve never used. 

Martin

Martin Bennett 

On 11 Mar 2018, at 14:17, huffbuffforums@... [motorhome-list] <motorhome-list@...> wrote:

 

We're planning an April/May trip through Germany and Austria to Slovenia and Croatia, so think we must buy snow chains. We would hope never to use them, but in case we do have to we would like them to be as easy as possible to put on and take off. And of course we want them to provide good traction.


Neill King's company used to sell Thule XS-16 but no longer stocks them.


The snowchains.co.uk website lists (for Ducato post 2007 and our tyre size) several brands ranging in price from £120 to £345 per pair. https://snowchains.co.uk/snow-chains-fit-guide/products/?make=Fiat&model=Ducato-(2007-onwards)&tyreSize=225/70-15&m=fg&id=46


Apart from price the site rates each brand according to the following factors: ease of fitting, traction, driving comfort and chain size.


Would we be right in thinking that the smaller chain sizes would take up less room in the van?


Thule XS-16 (which Neill used to sell) is not listed as an option on snowchains.co.uk, but Thule XG-12 Pro is listed. This is second cheapest at £160 and scores reasonably well on Traction (10/10), Driving Comfort (9/10) and Chain Size (12mm ... assuming smaller is better) but it is one of the bottom two on Ease of Fitting (8/10).


If we were to buy now we would have time to practice fitting in temperate conditions, so perhaps we don't need to worry about the 8/10 score?


Searching this forum we've seen references to buying chains more cheaply in continental supermarkets. However, we think it is important to buy at home before we set out so that we have plenty of opportunity to practice. Much cheaper offers at Aldi/Lidl have also been mentioned, however googling doesn't bring up any current offers.


We have absolutely no experience of snow chains (and very little experience of driving in anything more than a cm or two of snow), so any advice would be most welcome!


Buff and Hugh

Buying snow chains

Buff
 

We're planning an April/May trip through Germany and Austria to Slovenia and Croatia, so think we must buy snow chains. We would hope never to use them, but in case we do have to we would like them to be as easy as possible to put on and take off. And of course we want them to provide good traction.


Neill King's company used to sell Thule XS-16 but no longer stocks them.


The snowchains.co.uk website lists (for Ducato post 2007 and our tyre size) several brands ranging in price from £120 to £345 per pair. https://snowchains.co.uk/snow-chains-fit-guide/products/?make=Fiat&model=Ducato-(2007-onwards)&tyreSize=225/70-15&m=fg&id=46


Apart from price the site rates each brand according to the following factors: ease of fitting, traction, driving comfort and chain size.


Would we be right in thinking that the smaller chain sizes would take up less room in the van?


Thule XS-16 (which Neill used to sell) is not listed as an option on snowchains.co.uk, but Thule XG-12 Pro is listed. This is second cheapest at £160 and scores reasonably well on Traction (10/10), Driving Comfort (9/10) and Chain Size (12mm ... assuming smaller is better) but it is one of the bottom two on Ease of Fitting (8/10).


If we were to buy now we would have time to practice fitting in temperate conditions, so perhaps we don't need to worry about the 8/10 score?


Searching this forum we've seen references to buying chains more cheaply in continental supermarkets. However, we think it is important to buy at home before we set out so that we have plenty of opportunity to practice. Much cheaper offers at Aldi/Lidl have also been mentioned, however googling doesn't bring up any current offers.


We have absolutely no experience of snow chains (and very little experience of driving in anything more than a cm or two of snow), so any advice would be most welcome!


Buff and Hugh