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Re: [MH-list] Which GPS system (Ipad/tablet/standaloneGPS)

Iain Harrison
 

On 02/12/2012 12:07, Martin Bennett wrote:
At the risk of boring everyone & I feel sure you've said this before.
Exactly what system do you use & is it commercially available?
I use iGo Primo 2.0 and it is available, but only pre-installed on hardware, and it is hard to find because the makers tend to not make much of the software. My hardware came with an earlier version and I upgraded.

I can see iGo Primo as an iPhone App but I seem to remember you saying
there were lots of variants.
The iPhone version seems to be less capable than the others - as far as I know. I've not used it myself

My TomTom Trucker option is ok but as you say it doesn't give an
overview but it does pick up traffic problems and offers diversions.
As does iGo Primo - it uses TMC if you have it, or an internet connection to get real-time traffic. But it also offers diversions if it senses you're not making expected progress.

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Iain


Re: [MH-list] Awinter trip to Turkey November 2012

don.madge@tiscali.co.uk <don.madge@...>
 

On Sun 02/12/2012 18:38 Andy
Wrote



Thanks Don, useful info as always. Glad to hear you've arrived
safely

in Turkey.
How do you rate the alternative route via France?
Andy Clarke
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Hi Andy,



It was very good, less motorway driving as we used the N roads after
the first day. It was also less mileage as well.



The aires in France are also a big attraction for night stops.



Are you off anywhere this winter?



Don


Re: [MH-list] Awinter trip to Turkey November 2012

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

On 02/12/2012 18:08, don.madge@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
WINTER TRIP TO TURKEY NOVEMBER 2012 We tried a new route this year via France instead of Luxembourg and Germany, We did 1920 miles from Calais to Fethiye in ten days.
Thanks Don, useful info as always. Glad to hear you've arrived safely in Turkey.

How do you rate the alternative route via France?

Andy Clarke
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Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

Nigel Owen
 

Ernie:

Many thanks for your suggestions - much appreciated.

Nigel.

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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!



On 2/12/12 13:19, "Nigel Owen" <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk> wrote:

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of
Cecina (just south of Livorno).
http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Routes Its recommended route is more or
less a straight line. 14.5 hours of driving, 830 miles with all but 50 on
motorways. Tolls 36. Scroll page for map and turn by turn instructions. The
quickest route will cost about 100 more in tolls and save you 15 minutes.

About 1/3rd of the way you could detour off the A4/E25 and make the car park
on Quai du Chateaux, Saverne your 1st stop. No services, but nice town,
quiet, next to the canal and not far from the centre. Water and dump at the
top end of Rue du Pre Liebermann. Sorry, cannot recommend any stops in
Switzerland or Italy.
--
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Fon Linus
Bristol






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Re: [MH-list] Fiat 2.8jtd query.

Peter S
 

You could have different top gear ratios see
 
http://www.motorhomefacts.com/ftopic-108133.html 
 
and scroll down.
 
Peter S

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Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012, 17:41
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Fiat 2.8jtd query.



 

Hi
Thanks for your prompt answer!
The tyres are the same size and the mph is taken from our GPS (as our last speedo was slightly out) so that won't affect anything.
Don't know how I would check the gearbox or the axle ratios. All the vans were on the maxi alko chassis with 16" tyres so would have thought they would have been the same. Just wonder if "chipping" or "remapping" would help, or if it would be worth it.

I'm not a Fiat man, but using my Land Rover experiences there will be
differences.

The gearbox may have different ratio gears.

The axle differential may have a different ratio.

The tyres may be different sizes, so their circumference would be different.

Then the speedo could be wrong. Try using a GPSr to display actual
speed over the ground. Used correctly, a GPSr will always be more
accurate than a speedo.

Reg




Awinter trip to Turkey November 2012

don.madge@tiscali.co.uk <don.madge@...>
 

WINTER TRIP TO TURKEY NOVEMBER
2012
We tried a new route this year via France instead of Luxembourg and
Germany, We did 1920 miles from Calais to Fethiye in ten
days.
ROUTE





Tunnel to Calais, Lille, Reims, Colmar, Basel, St Gothard Tunnel,
Milan, Bologna, Ancona Port, ferry to Igoumenitsa, Vergina,
Thessaloniki, Alexandroupoli, Ipsala (crossing into Turkey) Gallipoli,
ferry to Lapseki (TL28) Izmir, Fethiye.

NIGHT
STOPS
France.

Fort Philippe Aire N51.00622 E2.11417 Large tarmac car park with
toilets.

La Cheppe Aire N49.04863 E4.49292 4 parking places not suitable for
vans over 6 metres.

Fessenheim Aire N47.91795 E7.53122 Super U for fuel and shopping also
token (€2.5) for borne close by.

Italy

Somaglia Service area N45.14258 E9.63356 on A1 20 miles south of Milan.
Autogrill restaurant, toilets and showers available.

Greece

Vergina Aire N40.48514 E22.31957 170 miles east of Igoumenitsa. Tarmac
car park, owner very helpful. €4 per night, electricity available if
required.

Alexandroupoli municipal site N40.84686 E25.85617. €35.26 for two
nights. Free wifi in 30 minute sessions. Good site before crossing into
Turkey. Easy walk into town from site.

Turkey
Edrimit N39.57528 E27.03850 A large service station on the outskirts of
the
town.
Akayaka N37.05070 E28.32776. A small fishing village with plenty of
parking.

FUEL (DEISEL) PRICESL.

French Supermarkets €1.36 per litre

French Autoroute €1.55 per litre

Italian Autostrada €1.72 per litre. Many people now using the self
service option which can be up to 8 cents cheaper than the attendant
service. LPG available on many service areas.

Greece €1.40 per litre this is just an average.

Turkey TL4.20 about £1.50 per litre

TOLLS.

France. A26/A4 Reims €27.80

Switzerland SF40 for vignette for vehicles up to 3500kgs, we paid €35
for vignette at a service station just north of Basel on the A5.

Italy. Swiss border to Milan €4.90. Milan south to Ancona north €27.00
this included 1 night stop on the Autostrada.

Greece. A2 Igoumenitsa to Alexandroupoli €31.60 this is a 400 mile trip
across northern Greece.



FERRY. We used the Minoan overnight crossing from Ancona to
Igoumenitsa. Depart 14.00hrs arr at 08.30hrs. We used the Inclusive
camping option where you pay for a deck passage and get a inboard cabin
plus a free meal. We paid €247 for a 6 metre van and thought it was a
very good bargain. Tea/coffee is very expensive on board so we took our
own makings on board.

Entering Turkey at the border post near Ipsala.



The first kiosk you come to just present your passports and vehicle
registration document

Then drive into the main complex and in front you will see five lanes.
Don't go down the lanes until you have got your visa from the second
kiosk on lane 5, marked “VISA”. The visa costs £10. Take your passports
to the passport control kiosk in lane 1 or 2 then drive to the other
end of the lane which is the customs kiosk. Here they will need your
registration document, green card and driver’s passport. Once you have
you documents back take them to the kiosk opposite for another check
and stamp. Once you have finished there you drive out of the main
complex and present all your documents to the last kiosk, then you are
free to go.



OBSERVATIONS.

We had a trouble free trip except for a chipped windscreen on the
Italian Autostrada. There were about 30 miles of road works between
Bologna and Ancona on the A4 but there were two lanes open both ways.
The weather was set fair all the way with just a shower in northern
Greece. We had no problems in Greece at all; at the border we exited
with just a wave on by the police but did notice there were a lot of
trucks waiting to exit Turkey into Greece far more than we usually
see.

Safe travelling.



Don


Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

ErnB <ernb@...>
 

On 2/12/12 13:19, "Nigel Owen" <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk> wrote:

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of
Cecina (just south of Livorno).
http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Routes Its recommended route is more or
less a straight line. 14.5 hours of driving, 830 miles with all but 50 on
motorways. Tolls £36. Scroll page for map and turn by turn instructions. The
quickest route will cost about £100 more in tolls and save you 15 minutes.

About 1/3rd of the way you could detour off the A4/E25 and make the car park
on Quai du Chateaux, Saverne your 1st stop. No services, but nice town,
quiet, next to the canal and not far from the centre. Water and dump at the
top end of Rue du Père Liebermann. Sorry, cannot recommend any stops in
Switzerland or Italy.
--
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Fon Linus
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] Fiat 2.8jtd query.

SUE
 

Hi
Thanks for your prompt answer!
The tyres are the same size and the mph is taken from our GPS (as our last speedo was slightly out) so that won't affect anything.
Don't know how I would check the gearbox or the axle ratios. All the vans were on the maxi alko chassis with 16" tyres so would have thought they would have been the same. Just wonder if "chipping" or "remapping" would help, or if it would be worth it.

I'm not a Fiat man, but using my Land Rover experiences there will be
differences.

The gearbox may have different ratio gears.

The axle differential may have a different ratio.

The tyres may be different sizes, so their circumference would be different.

Then the speedo could be wrong. Try using a GPSr to display actual
speed over the ground. Used correctly, a GPSr will always be more
accurate than a speedo.

Reg


Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

Nigel Owen
 

Hi Alyson:

Many thanks for your tips and stopover places.

Very cold here: -2 degrees brrrrr

Nigel.

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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!


Tim's route is good - but we got HUGELY stuck at Brussels, as we got there in the evening rush house - which started by 4pm and went on until at least 6pm and we were practically parked all the time.

Normally we go Calais to Alsace (Colmar), spend the night at Domaine du Bollenberg http://www.bollenberg.fr/ They are France Passion, but you can stay without being a member. That is about 7-8 hours from Calais.

Then Colmar through Switzerland - stopping for the appropriate break at Lake Lucerne, then down using the E35 past Como, Milano, Piacenza. Just before Parma you can head to the coast (La Spezia) then down passing Pisa to Livorno. BUT I hate that bit of road. It would be more km, but you could carry on to Bologna then Firenze (also a scary bit of road that takes you over the mountains and through a series of tunnels and bridges, but not as vomit inducing as goin past Genova), and from Florence head towards Pisa, then Livorno.

Night stops: best website is http://www.camperonline.it/area_di_sosta_italia.asp

In theory you can do Alsace to Livorno in a long day.

NB don't think about using minor roads to go anything other than short distances in Italy - pot holes, traffic, road signs that send you round in circles and sat nav always underestimates the travel time. It's got to be major roads, many of which are toll roads - and not cheap either.

Plus the night stop we found in Como was horrid and v. expensive.

With best wishes,
Alison in Florence (wet, slightly cold)

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, TIM VAISEY <t.vaisey@...> wrote:

Hi Nigel reference the cheapest and shortest route to Italy.
The route I use when in a truck is down through Belgium around Brussels (may be busy if you catch it at wrong time of day) down to Namur through Luxembourg ( where you can pick up your cheap fuel) then down through Metz , Nancy, Epinal, Besancon. Then head down to Vallorbe on the Swiss border.
In switzerland follow E23 down to Lausanne and follow the lake around to Montreux (very scenic looking down onto the lake below). Then head down to Matigny and follow the E62 to Sion, Brig and then drop Down to Gondo the exit out of Switzerland. The route down from Brig to Gonda is what they call the Simplon Pass, a real stunning route. When you cross into Italy you will be on the right side to drop down to Genoa and onto Cecina.
I hope this helps and you have a great trip.
Tim



________________________________
From: Nigel Owen <nigel@...>
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012, 13:19
Subject: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!



I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug back 8 Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on the way back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a multitude of possible routes that we could take.

? eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
? Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
? western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel in Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.







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Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

bty851935 <revalison@...>
 

Tim's route is good - but we got HUGELY stuck at Brussels, as we got there in the evening rush house - which started by 4pm and went on until at least 6pm and we were practically parked all the time.

Normally we go Calais to Alsace (Colmar), spend the night at Domaine du Bollenberg http://www.bollenberg.fr/ They are France Passion, but you can stay without being a member. That is about 7-8 hours from Calais.

Then Colmar through Switzerland - stopping for the appropriate break at Lake Lucerne, then down using the E35 past Como, Milano, Piacenza. Just before Parma you can head to the coast (La Spezia) then down passing Pisa to Livorno. BUT I hate that bit of road. It would be more km, but you could carry on to Bologna then Firenze (also a scary bit of road that takes you over the mountains and through a series of tunnels and bridges, but not as vomit inducing as goin past Genova), and from Florence head towards Pisa, then Livorno.

Night stops: best website is http://www.camperonline.it/area_di_sosta_italia.asp

In theory you can do Alsace to Livorno in a long day.

NB don't think about using minor roads to go anything other than short distances in Italy - pot holes, traffic, road signs that send you round in circles and sat nav always underestimates the travel time. It's got to be major roads, many of which are toll roads - and not cheap either.

Plus the night stop we found in Como was horrid and v. expensive.

With best wishes,
Alison in Florence (wet, slightly cold)

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, TIM VAISEY <t.vaisey@...> wrote:

Hi Nigel reference the cheapest and shortest route to Italy.
The route I use when in a truck is down through Belgium around Brussels (may be busy if you catch it at wrong time of day) down to Namur through Luxembourg ( where you can pick up your cheap fuel) then down through Metz , Nancy, Epinal, Besancon. Then head down to Vallorbe on the Swiss border.
In switzerland follow E23 down to Lausanne and follow the lake around to Montreux (very scenic looking down onto the lake below). Then head down to Matigny and follow the E62 to Sion, Brig and then drop Down to Gondo the exit out of Switzerland. The route down from Brig to Gonda is what they call the Simplon Pass, a real stunning route. When you cross into Italy you will be on the right side to drop down to Genoa and onto Cecina.
I hope this helps and you have a great trip.
Tim



________________________________
From: Nigel Owen <nigel@...>
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012, 13:19
Subject: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!


 

I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug back 8 Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on the way back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a multitude of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel in Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.




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re. wi-fi access

peter
 

Thanks Reg for a detailed reply. Seems I will have to check whether the Arsus.can use a dongle.
In my ignorance I had imagined that a wireless aerial on the van would transmit a stronger signal to the wireless capability of the tablet being used and thus make reception easier.
Seems not to be the case. Guess I'll just have to drink more awful coffee. Peter.


Re: [MH-list] Fiat 2.8jtd query.

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

On 2 December 2012 16:38, SUSANC <SKCHANDLER4@hotmail.com> wrote:

We have had two motorhomes based on the 2.8jtd Fiat and both of them ran
at about 55 mph when at 2000 revs. We have just got a used van based on the
same engine and find that at 2000 revs it is running at about 47 mph. This
van is 1 metre longer than our others - could this be the difference or
could it be a sign of something else? As we do about 9000 miles a year will
this make a great difference to our fuel usage? Any info greatly
appreciated.
I'm not a Fiat man, but using my Land Rover experiences there will be
differences.

The gearbox may have different ratio gears.

The axle differential may have a different ratio.

The tyres may be different sizes, so their circumference would be different.

Then the speedo could be wrong. Try using a GPSr to display actual
speed over the ground. Used correctly, a GPSr will always be more
accurate than a speedo.

Reg


Fiat 2.8jtd query.

SUE
 

Hi
We have had two motorhomes based on the 2.8jtd Fiat and both of them ran at about 55 mph when at 2000 revs. We have just got a used van based on the same engine and find that at 2000 revs it is running at about 47 mph. This van is 1 metre longer than our others - could this be the difference or could it be a sign of something else? As we do about 9000 miles a year will this make a great difference to our fuel usage? Any info greatly appreciated.


Re: [MH-list] wi fi aerial

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

On 1 December 2012 17:30, peter norton, <stbrelades@talktalk.net> wrote:

Has anyone tried any of the WiFi aerials to increase the range of
receiving "free" connections, such as those offered by Mac D's ?
They seem to range in price from £25 to £100 and be either directional or
omni-directional.
And will they work on an Android tablet such as an Arsus ? Spelling
intentional.
Having spent a good amount on a supposedly good TV aerial for UK use, and
found it a total waste of time ( I actually opened the stream-lined casing
to find it was virtually empty apart from an alloy strip around the edge ),
I hesitate to waste more money without recommendation.
Recently, using the E-Pad inside a motorway station I found I had to be
virtually in the hamburger queue to get a decent signal.
It would be nice if parking outside could work.
Peter there are two basic things to consider. The 'radio' and the
'antenna' in your device - Android, PC etc.

The radio sends and receives the signal to and from the Wi-Fi point,
which incorporates a similar radio and antenna. You have no control
over the Wi-Fi point (other than changing your position), so to
improve your connection, you have to improve what you use in or
attached to your device.

The radio sends at a certain power level and the antenna will amplify
or reduce the power sent to the Wi-Fi point.

So to the output power of the radio, you add or subtract the gain of
the antenna and subtract the losses in the air between your position
and that of the point. Increase the distance between you and the
point and that will increase the losses in the air.

The gain of an antenna is normally measured in dB - decibel. This has
no units as it is a ratio. If the antenna gain doubles the strength
of the signal, then it's gain is 3 dB. Normally the gain of 0 dB,
(the standard reference value) is the gain of a standard dipole
antenna.

The gain of a directional antenna should be greater than 0 dB, but as
you write it's possible to waste your money on false claims! A
directional antenna is designed to focus the signal into a narrow
beam, much like a light torch.

A dipole has a directivity chart similar to a figure 8 with the two
peaks at the top and bottom of the 8, which aligns at right angles to
the straight line of the antenna, which is two rods insulated in the
middle.

A good external omni-directional antenna has a gain of about -2 dB or
a loss. But it depends on it's design. In 3-D the chart resembles a
doughnut in shape.

In a small device like a small tablet, the gain (loss) would be -3 dB
or more due to the construction. The direction of best gain can be
found by rotating the device and finding the best way to point it
relative to the point. The antenna will be under one outer surface
(edge or flat surface) and where you hold the device can also have an
effect. Not a true omni-directional antenna as it's pattern is not
the same in all directions.

In a directional antenna the gain can be improved by good design and
materials, but there is a practical limit. As the gain increases the
beam angle gets smaller (much like Sat TV dishes) and this makes it
more difficult to align with the point.

A warning. Some unscrupulousness dealers will describe the gain of
their antenna in dBi. This is a reference to a 'theoretical point'
(Not 'point' as here used for Wi-Fi point) in space.

2.14 dBi is the same as 0 dB, so be careful.

Now to consider your device. It must have a special antenna socket
and most don't. Or use a USB stick or cable to connect to your device
and then the operating system must support the USB product that will
contain the radio and the antenna.

Reg.


Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

Nigel Owen
 

Hi Tim:

Many thanks - much appreciated.

Nigel.

----- Original Message -----
From: "TIM VAISEY" <t.vaisey@btinternet.com>
To: <motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!


Hi Nigel reference the cheapest and shortest route to Italy.
The route I use when in a truck is down through Belgium around Brussels (may be busy if you catch it at wrong time of day) down to Namur through Luxembourg ( where you can pick up your cheap fuel) then down through Metz , Nancy, Epinal, Besancon. Then head down to Vallorbe on the Swiss border.
In switzerland follow E23 down to Lausanne and follow the lake around to Montreux (very scenic looking down onto the lake below). Then head down to Matigny and follow the E62 to Sion, Brig and then drop Down to Gondo the exit out of Switzerland. The route down from Brig to Gonda is what they call the Simplon Pass, a real stunning route. When you cross into Italy you will be on the right side to drop down to Genoa and onto Cecina.
I hope this helps and you have a great trip.
Tim



________________________________
From: Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk>
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012, 13:19
Subject: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!




I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug back 8 Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on the way back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a multitude of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel in Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.








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Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

TIM VAISEY
 

Hi Nigel reference the cheapest and shortest route to Italy.
The route I use when in a truck is down through Belgium around Brussels (may be busy if you catch it at wrong time of day) down to Namur through Luxembourg ( where you can pick up your cheap fuel) then down through Metz , Nancy, Epinal, Besancon. Then head down to Vallorbe on the Swiss border.
In switzerland follow E23 down to Lausanne and follow the lake around to Montreux (very scenic looking down onto the lake below). Then head down to Matigny and follow the E62 to Sion, Brig and then drop Down to Gondo the exit out of Switzerland. The route down from Brig to Gonda is what they call the Simplon Pass, a real stunning route. When you cross into Italy you will be on the right side to drop down to Genoa and onto Cecina.
I hope this helps and you have a great trip.
Tim



________________________________
From: Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk>
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012, 13:19
Subject: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!


 

I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug back 8 Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on the way back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a multitude of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel in Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.




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Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

hrrsn_bll
 

Nigel,

I'm 3.9 tonnes but I avoided the main motorway from Munich to Innsbruck
and entered Austria on a minor road and then got onto the motorway to
Innsbruck. No bother, no tolls, just a faint fluttering in the tummy.

But I know what you mean.

Best,

Bill

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:53:57 -0000, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk>
wrote:

Hi Bill:

Thanks for your suggestion.

We've ruled going via Austria because our motorhome is over 3.5t and so
would need a Go-Box to use the Austrian motorways/dual carriageways which
would be quite expensive (think more expensive than French tolls) and a
bit
of hassle..

Nigel.

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To: <motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

Hi, last time I took the van to Italy I went Belgium, Germany, Munich,
skirting left then to Innsbruck and over the Brenner pass. France makes
it
very expensive for tolls and my route turned out to be very quick indeed.
As a sufferer from horrible vertigo, the drive from Nice to Genoa with
all
the tunnels and viaducts makes me almost ill, and the Brenner is quite
quick and the only toll I paid before Italy and cheap at about 10 euros.
I
stopped just one night I seem to remember before Lake Garda.

Just a suggestion.

Bill Harrison

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:19:40 -0000, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk>
wrote:


I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday
next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the
east of
Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug
back 8
Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on
the way
back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two
weeks
holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a
multitude
of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel
in
Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our
return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.



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Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

Nigel Owen
 

Hi Bill:

Thanks for your suggestion.

We've ruled going via Austria because our motorhome is over 3.5t and so would need a Go-Box to use the Austrian motorways/dual carriageways which would be quite expensive (think more expensive than French tolls) and a bit of hassle..

Nigel.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Harrison, MA (Oxon), Solicitor, BH Translex Ltd" <harrison@translegal.com>
To: <motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!


Hi, last time I took the van to Italy I went Belgium, Germany, Munich,
skirting left then to Innsbruck and over the Brenner pass. France makes it
very expensive for tolls and my route turned out to be very quick indeed.
As a sufferer from horrible vertigo, the drive from Nice to Genoa with all
the tunnels and viaducts makes me almost ill, and the Brenner is quite
quick and the only toll I paid before Italy and cheap at about 10 euros. I
stopped just one night I seem to remember before Lake Garda.

Just a suggestion.

Bill Harrison

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:19:40 -0000, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk>
wrote:


I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday
next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the
east of
Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug
back 8
Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on
the way
back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks
holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a
multitude
of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel
in
Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our
return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.



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Re: [MH-list] Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

hrrsn_bll
 

Hi, last time I took the van to Italy I went Belgium, Germany, Munich,
skirting left then to Innsbruck and over the Brenner pass. France makes it
very expensive for tolls and my route turned out to be very quick indeed. As a sufferer from horrible vertigo, the drive from Nice to Genoa with all
the tunnels and viaducts makes me almost ill, and the Brenner is quite quick and the only toll I paid before Italy and cheap at about 10 euros. I
stopped just one night I seem to remember before Lake Garda.

Just a suggestion.

Bill Harrison

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:19:40 -0000, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk>
wrote:


I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday
next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the
east of
Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug
back 8
Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on
the way
back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks
holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a
multitude
of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel
in
Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our
return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.



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Route to Italy - advice and suggestions please!

Nigel Owen
 

I seek the advice from the forum on planning our route for our holiday next year.

We will be visiting friends in Italy who live a few kilometres to the east of Cecina (just south of Livorno).

We plan on taking the return crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge out 23 Aug back 8 Sep.

Our plan is to have three overnight stops on the way out and three on the way back spending just over a week with our friends (we've only got two weeks holiday).

Looking at the map and using various route planning tools there are a multitude of possible routes that we could take.

• eastern France, skirt around Switzerland then into Italy
• Luxembourg then France or Germany through Switzerland
• western Germany through Switzerland

All routes have their pros and cons (French motorway tolls, cheap diesel in Luxembourg, no tolls in Germany, Swiss vignette).

We could perhaps take one route outbound and a different one on our return.

Any thoughts and advice much appreciated.

Nigel.

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