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Re: Gaslow problem?

Steve Robinson <OldAgeTravellers@...>
 

Hi Folks,
A bit late on this but have not been able to keep up with the list lately.
Some may remember I posted about this about a year ago, we were also
refused Autogas at LeClerc in La Bouloue albeit by a ranting attendant
waving a printed sheet of paper at me (after I had filled up) saying I must
never do it again.
So it may just be Le Clerc or just the odd one, unfortunately we couldn't
test it when we passed by a couple of weeks ago even though we were
completely empty because it was a Sunday and I have never found any Autogas
with auto pay pumps here.
But if it spreads it could be worrying. My filler is also "fitted" inside
the gas locker because there is nowhere other than a very flimsy skirt to
fit it externally on my LaVoyageur and I have to open the locker anyway to
get the adaptor out.
Unfortunately MTH went down before they sent me a certificate of compliance
for the AluGas bottle and he will not respond to my emails and it may
become a real problem here because I am told that the MOT in France may
require the production of one soon.
If anybody knows where I can get one I would appreciate it.

Regards,

Steve
"The Old Age Travellers in France"


Re: [MH-list] Trip to Nothern Spain

ErnB <ernb@...>
 

On 20/2/11 17:43, "ErnB" <ernb@supanet.com> wrote:

Individual forecourt prices across France can be found here. (Don's link): -
Sorry, memory again! ARS - Age Related Syndrome.

http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/
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Re: [MH-list] Trip to Nothern Spain

ErnB <ernb@...>
 

On 20/2/11 16:28, "MHome" <mhome@driventemple.org.uk> wrote:

What's the fuel purchasing scenario in Spain/Portugal? ie Are the best
prices at supermarket locations?
The prices on this site are up-to date and appear to be the average.

http://www.energy.eu/#Prices

scroll down for diesel and petrol. There are some interesting comparisons
there on LPG as well.

Individual forecourt prices across France can be found here. (Don's link): -

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Re: [MH-list] Trip to Nothern Spain

Brian Marsden
 

On 20/02/2011 16:28:43, MHome (mhome@driventemple.org.uk) wrote:
What's the fuel purchasing scenario in Spain/Portugal? ie Are the best
prices at supermarket locations?
As of a couple of years ago Spanish pump prices were within a couple of cents of each other at just about any filling station. Stations were every few kms along main roads. One thing to remember is that it is an offence to run out of fuel while on the road in Spain---Get a spare can.
Regards
BrianM


Re: [MH-list] Trip to Nothern Spain

MHome <mhome@...>
 

What's the fuel purchasing scenario in Spain/Portugal? ie Are the best prices at supermarket locations?

Trevor

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Re: [MH-list] free camping in Portugal

don.madge@tiscali.co.uk <don.madge@...>
 

On Sun 20/02/2011 13:32 Bernard wrote


Good morning Bertie from Sunny and B hot Camping Ria Formosa Cabanas
Tavira
As Tim has replied there
was a problem around here *last year* with

complaints and the police taking action moving campers on.
However this year the traders at Manta Rota and Altura got together
and made

a threat to Mr Mayor of Tavira to sack all staff and close down for
the

winter months. This caused an uproar so his policy was reversed and
motorhome are again welcomed in the area. That is except in the town
of

Tavira where you will be moved on.
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Hi Bernard,



That has been happening in Portugal since the early 90's when we first
wintered there. There were very few sites open in those days and one
parked in a good many places but there was not the vast number of
motorhomes that are there these days.



This list is a bit dated but it might be useful if somebody could up
date it.



Some Free Parking Spots in Portugal.



This list was compiled in September/October 2003 and February/March
2007 and updated Nov 2009



We stayed at or visited all the places listed. Some places are rapidly
developing into concentrated tourist areas and these parking places
maybe swallowed up. The free parking places could be very busy in the
winter period (Dec–March). I would suggest the best time to visit
Portugal would be April/May and September/October.



Many of the water fountains were turned off a couple of years ago
during the drought and have never been turned back on.



I’ve also included details of the English language radio station (Kiss
FM 95.80 & 101.2) which broadcasts on the Algarve only.



In the last few years free camping on the Algarve has become a problem
with so many campers wintering in Portugal. It is usually quieter on
the western Algarve (west of Lagos) it’s even quieter on the west coast
but can be very windy at times



Central and West Coast

BARRAGEM PEGO DE ALTER. (Commonly called Pego by the Brits) Signed off
the N 253 Alcacer to Montemor road 6 miles from Alcacer. Excellent long
stay place with plenty of parking. Very popular with the Brits on their
way home after their winter tour. Spring water available half way up
hill. Toilet and shower also available.



BARRAGEM DE MONTERGIL. Situated on the N2 between Abrantes and
Montemor. Entrance to camping area along side Shell garage. Water
available. Trees could cause problems on entering for large outfits.



PORTO COVO.

Many beachside parking places between Sines and Porto Covo. One of our
favourite spots.



VILA NOVA DE MILFONTES. On N 390. Town on river estuary. Good parking
spots at Praia de Furness other side of river from Milfontes. Go south
from Milfontes on N 390 over bridge next road on the right signed
Furness.



ALMOGRAVE. Signed off N 393. Small village on coast good parking on
cliffs above beach. Spring water available and the cleanest toilets in
Portugal (closed at night).



PRAIA DE ODECEIXE. Signed off N 120. Poor parking in village. Very good
parking on other side of estuary from village. Take unmade road on
north side of bridge on N 120. Spring water available.



ALJEZUR. Praia de Amoreiro signed from N 120 north of town. Monte
Clerigo signed from N 120 south of town. Municipal market in town on
riverside. Parking area behind market toilets and water available.



PRAIA DE AMADA.

Signed off N268 just before entering Carrapateira going north. Not
usually marked on maps. Water & shops in Carrapateira village.





CARRAPATEIRA.

Signed of N268 north of Vila de Bispo. Municipal market and
toilets/water in village. Very nice beach.



VILA DO BISPO. Don’t go into town centre as streets are very narrow.
Take the main exit for the town from the N 125 and this will take you
to the supermarket and water. In town follow the sings for Praia do
Castelejo then Praia da Cordoama.

Cordoama is an isolated beach down an unmade road and is good for long
stays. At Caselejo parking is very limited. During the surfing season
both beaches are very crowded.



Algarve



Between Sagres and Cape St Vincent there is parking on the cliff tops.
Usually very windy short term only.



SAGRES . Parking on the quayside for small outfits only. For the larger
outfits there is parking in various places in the town and on the
seafront. Water is available at the harbour. Toilets at the harbour
restaurant. The fish auction takes place late afternoon at the fish
dock complex. If you do attend sit very still or you could be the proud
owner of a 100kg box of squid.



INGRINA. Signed off the N 125 at the traffic lights at Raposeira.
Limited parking next to the beach.



BARRANCO. Not signed but take same turn off as Ingrina then fork right
in 150 metres. Unmade road (bad in places) for 3.5 miles to very
isolated beach. Mainly used by windsurfers.

Water is available on the right about 200-300 metres from the traffic
lights on the Ingrina road.



BOCA DO RIO. Signed off the N 125 at the traffic lights at Budens
(Ecomarche for cheap fuel at junction) then tarmac road to beach. Good
for long term parking very popular spot in winter. Can get very windy
at times. Toilets available next village (west) Selema a 15 minute bike
ride. Bread is available from a caravan that is parked in Selema square
opposite the toilets.



BARRAGEM DA BRAVURA. Signed off N 125 at Odiaxere. Water available at
windmill on leaving Odiaxere.



ALVOR. Plenty of parking on seafront at eastern end of town near
Ocandeerio Restaurant. For parking west of town follow signs for Zona
Ribeirina park among palms and oleandas in car park. Could be a problem
in the wet. Also parking behind swimming pool.



PRAIA DA ROCHA. Limited parking for vans at eastern end of promenade
opposite Hotel Concorde also parking behind Hotel Concorde at lower
level.

Praia da Rocha and Alvor more or less run into together along seashore
with hotels and apartments.



ARMACAO DE PERA. Parking on car park at western end of town and at the
eastern end parking behind football pitch.



QUARTEIRA. Parking at Praia Forte Novo at the eastern end of the
town.

FUZETA. Go through village and parking on sea front car park next to
camp site (camp site usually very crowded).



PEDRAS D’EL REI. Clearly signed off N 125 west of Tavira. Follow road
to lagoon turn right and parking area ahead.



PRAIA DA MANTA ROTA. Parking on large beach car park behind sand dunes.
Water available.



GAS BOTTLE REFILLING STATIONS ON THE ALGARVE.



Boliquime. 50 metres off N125 sign clearly visible from main road.



Quelfes. Take the N 398 (East of Olhao) signed Moncaraphacho, Faro &
Espahne leave at first exit. GPL station can be clearly seen on the
left as you approach the exit.

From A22 leave at exit 15. Take Quelfes turn off from N398 signed on
left.



ENGLISH NEWS PROGRAMS ON THE ALGARVE



KISS FM. 101.2 + 95.8 FM



Monday – Friday News, Sport & Weather.

08.30, 09.30, 10.30, 14.00, 18.00, 19.00, 20.00.



Saturday News & Sport.

10.30, 14.00, 18.00, 19.00. 20.00



Sunday News & Sport

09.00, 10.30, 12.00, 19.00, 20.00.



Sports Report



Monday – Friday 19.30.



Safe travelling.



Don


Re: [MH-list] free camping in Portugal

bernardblackmore
 

Good morning Bertie from Sunny and B hot Camping Ria Formosa Cabanas Tavira
As Tim has replied there was a problem around here *last year* with
complaints and the police taking action moving campers on.

However this year the traders at Manta Rota and Altura got together and made
a threat to Mr Mayor of Tavira to sack all staff and close down for the
winter months. This caused an uproar so his policy was reversed and
motorhome are again welcomed in the area. That is except in the town of
Tavira where you will be moved on.

On entering Portugal over the motorway (no fees till April) bridge take the
first turn down to Villa Real St Antonio and at a roundabout just before the
town you will see on your right an official aire with a bourn in place, I
consider it to be free and had about 60 motorhomes there last week.

Or carry on into the town centre and you will come to a roundabout where
construction work is going on and there is a sign to the left saying
Intermarche supermarket. Turn left and go to the end by the river where you
will find another mixed race camp of about 50 motorhomes over looking the
river.Police patrol the area frequently day and night
This has easy access to the town centre which has many lovely small shops
and pavement restaurant's. I am not sure about water but I have seen toilet
cassettes being transported along the riverbank so obviously there is a
manhole or something local. But it is only 5 mins back to the bourne on the
other roundabout.

Altura is about 5 miles west on the N125, you pas a Lidels supermarket on
the left on your way out of Villa Real before coming to the Blue
seal carwash on the right where you can fill with LPG cash only, I was told
he will fill other bottles as well as the refillable tanks and bottles but I
cannot confirm this. If he is at lunch between 1pm and 3pm carry on to the
BP station a bit further on pay with card or cash. Intermarche supermarket
at village services with good meat etc. newsagent by the last roundabout
before the beach carpark sells UK papers and mags.

Roundabout marked Altura turn in left to coast and you will pass a large
hotel on the left, if you park in the carpark opposite the hotel you get
good strength free wifi. Carry on then to the roundabout and turn left for
beach and the carpark on the left is for units up to say 7 meters but bigger
USA types are in a large area to The right, Toilet empty there at the back
of toilet block and water from the fountain but you need a meter or so of
say 10mm to 12mm of hose to go onto the fountain and into your container.
The larger unit area is quieter that the left hand carpark. This is beach
side and lovely fine sand
Further on is Manta Rota turn off left to town and follow sign s to beach.
Again 2 car parks one to the left is concrete and all lined up like soldiers
and the one to the right is bigger and you have nice grass areas to sit out
on. Toilet empty is by the tower by left hand car park and water in
abundance from the many fountains along he grass area. This is also beach
side with fine sand.

I am going further on west on Wednesday but last year I had no problems in
that direction after passing Tavira area.

Sagres at the tip has good parking up by the Fort and also in the town
centre overlooking the beach.

Fuel is cheaper in Spain than here so top up in Spain.

Worth the journey down as it is low 80s here today.

If you want to stay over at Mojacar go through the beach side pass the
Indilo hotel and carry on up through the cutting and you will see a tower on
the left, go in and look to the right and you will see a beachside resturant
go over there and you can stay in his carparks as londg as you like.

There is no parking on the old army camp at Gib border this year, I went
into Gib and turned left at the first roundabout after the air strip and
went on through the tunnel and to a new car park by the lighthouse at the
end of the rock, stayed the night and no bother. Come back out the same way
as you will have problems with narrow roads any other way.

Kind regards for now

Bernard, Camping Ria Formosa, Cabanas, Tavira. 30 nights good site at 270
euro for plot 16amp electric 2 persons. I have been here 2 months now and
been good but off on Wednesday, Rapido 9090F reg 2868 YP 56 wave if you
pass.




On 19 February 2011 16:11, bertie bassett <theberties@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:



Hi all, does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of the current free camping
situation in Portugal as we have heard so many 3rd hand stories about it
being clamped down on

thanks

bertie in sunny La Manga



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Re: [MH-list] Irish SIM & PayPal problems.

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

On 19/02/2011 21:40, W Mathieson wrote:
Paypal charge for sending money to a bank account. Looks like they charged
you about 5%
They do not charge for sending money to a bank account, in fact you can't as far as I know, use PayPal to send money to someone's bank account.

They charge you when someone pays money into your PayPal account, you can withdraw that money with no further charge.

Anyway, Reg has concluded his report back on his 'Irish sim' experience, any further discussion of PayPal should be on the OT List.

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Re: [MH-list] Irish SIM & PayPal problems.

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

On 19 February 2011 21:40, W Mathieson <w_mathieson@sky.com> wrote:

Paypal charge for sending money to a bank account. Looks like they charged
you about 5%
But it was a refund, so I should not have had to pay any fee for a refund.

When on another occasions, I've bought goods by credit card, the
refund HAS to go to the same credit card. But PP use a different
system.

Not sure if that method is legal.

Reg


Re: [MH-list] Irish SIM & PayPal problems.

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

On 19 February 2011 21:21, Whitehead, Simon <s.whitehead@colleton.org> wrote:

Was the mistake PayPal's or the guy you got the sim from?

I don't want to be overly protective of PayPal but at the same time I am
not comfortable with laying blaim where it may not truly belong...
Simon there were two problems. Firstly the seller was apparently at
fault for selling Vodafone SIMs that he should not have been selling
as Vodafone cut them off. I e-mailed V and received a reply that they
would reply in detail, probably in 48 hours or similar.

That was the last I heard from V despite further e-mails from me.
Others on the list had the same problem.

I returned the SIM following eBay's recommended method. They told me
that the seller had 10 days to respond, otherwise I was entitled to a
full return of my payment. I heard nothing for about a fortnight.

I contacted them again and was informed that I was entitled to a full
refund as I had followed their returns procedure correctly.

Then I was not. Then I was. Then I had to do many things on their
website, which I always did, but still the money did not arrive. This
is the short version.

Reg


Re: [MH-list] Irish SIM & PayPal problems.

W Mathieson <w_mathieson@...>
 

Paypal charge for sending money to a bank account. Looks like they charged
you about 5%

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Reg <lists.reg@googlemail.com> wrote:

I thought that I'd post brief details my current situation on this topic.

I paid 49,99 for the SIM that was a charge on my credit card of
43.66 back in September last year.

Today I have found that 41.34 has at long last arrived in a current
bank a/c from PayPal.

The amount of effort and cost of at least three phone calls to PP and
the many e-mails and web forms set to them, was not really worth the
effort.

So much for their safe and protected payment system.

I know that many have not had any problems with PP, but as I've said
for over a quarter of a century, the only way to tell a good company
from a bad company is how they perform when they make a mistake.

That transaction was my first and last transaction with PP.

Reg


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Re: [MH-list] Irish SIM & PayPal problems.

Simon Whitehead
 

Was the mistake PayPal's or the guy you got the sim from?

I don't want to be overly protective of PayPal but at the same time I am
not comfortable with laying blaim where it may not truly belong...

Simon Whitehead
s.whitehead@iee.org
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On 19/02/2011 21:12, "Reg" <lists.reg@googlemail.com> wrote:

I know that many have not had any problems with PP, but as I've said
for over a quarter of a century, the only way to tell a good company
from a bad company is how they perform when they make a mistake.


Irish SIM & PayPal problems.

Reg <lists.reg@...>
 

I thought that I'd post brief details my current situation on this topic.

I paid 49,99€ for the SIM that was a charge on my credit card of
£43.66 back in September last year.

Today I have found that £41.34 has at long last arrived in a current
bank a/c from PayPal.

The amount of effort and cost of at least three phone calls to PP and
the many e-mails and web forms set to them, was not really worth the
effort.

So much for their safe and protected payment system.

I know that many have not had any problems with PP, but as I've said
for over a quarter of a century, the only way to tell a good company
from a bad company is how they perform when they make a mistake.

That transaction was my first and last transaction with PP.

Reg


NEC Boat and Caravan Show

Alan
 

Hi

Has anybody got any tickets for the NEC Boat and Caravan Show that they don't need please.

Thanks

Alan W


Re: [MH-list] free camping in Portugal

timsinc Sinclair
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, ErnB <ernb@...> wrote:

On 19/2/11 15:11, "bertie bassett" <theberties@...> wrote:

Hi all, does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of the current free camping
situation in Portugal as we have heard so many 3rd hand stories about it being
clamped down on
--------------
It's an ever-changing picture. Bernard is the present 'on site' expert, but until he replies...

He took me on a tour of wild camping spots around Tavira. At one nice spot of fairly open parking he said that a few weeks back the police closed all the access roads and took the passports off everyone in the numerous motorhomes. You couldn't leave without first going to the police station for their recovery and giving your details.

It seems the first strike is a warning. The second time you're caught 'illegally overnight camping' you're fined for both 'contraventions'.

Well, after hundreds were forced away and others barred from arriving, the local businesses got together and demanded of the mayor a reversal of this policy. Restuarants, bars, bakeries, gift shops desperately needed the business, especially at this time of year. They won.

When we visited, the beach side 'car' parks were again fully being made use of by a sea of motorhomes.

I'm afraid you're going to get conflicting reports, but there are still many spots to overnight at - and quite a few official-recognised ones. But I think the nearer you get to the summer months, the more problematic it may all become.

TimS


Re: [MH-list] Trip to Nothern Spain

hrrsn_bll
 

Yes, it seem the French are listing quite a lot. Last time I looked at a Spanish website there were very few and mainly attached to camp sites.

The problem with Spain is that you have to be very careful. Lunchtime today I stopped at a motorway services. A person with a map came to my motorhome and asked directions for Cartagena. He had what I assumed was a Romanian accent. He didn't seem at all interested in my directions. He came back fifteen minutes later and I told him to shove off, went to the cashier and reported a suspicious person. I had taken his registration number. She called the Guardia Civil who turned up about ten minutes later and I confirmed my suspicions to them. I speak Spanish.

Half an hour later while I was sipping my coffee there was a knock on the door. An Englishman called Merlin who said his motorhome had been robbed. Was it somebody asking directions for Cartagena says I. Yes says he. Half an hour later the Guardia were back, with the mug shot book, they traced the car number I gave them it was rented to three of the creatures who appeared in their mug shots. The Guardia and I both agreed that a Chinese Jail would be most appropriate.

The moral is that foreign motorhomes are a big target in Spain because thieves know that the occupants will be travelling with money, computers, etc. etc. The Guardia's advice was to spread your valuables around the motorhome, don't leave all your eggs in one small basket. Good advice I think.

Bill.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:30:43 -0000, don.madge@tiscali.co.uk <don.madge@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat 19/02/2011 11:22 Bill wrote

No aires as such. There are plenty of campsites along the northern
coast,
just spent 4 nights on one at
Santillana Del Mar near Santander which is

open all year. Otherwise you will find that the large petrol
stations

allow overnight parking as do many spots along the road, usually by
restaurants - just look for loads of trucks. My advice with petrol
stations is to use 24 hour ones. Stayed on one last night near
Zaragoza -

it wasn't 24 hour but a friendly trucker said park up by me and any
trouble sound your horn 'cos I've got a button which will get the
police

here pronto if I press it. Friendly bunch truckers in Spain on the
whole.

Hope this is helpful.
Bill
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There are Aires in Spain, as well as Ernie's link see also

http://www.vicarious-shop.com/product.php?productid=82&cat=1&page=1

Safe travelling.

Don


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Re: Trip to Nothern Spain

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Subject: Re: Trip to Northern Spain

There are aires in Spain,,,Mainly in the North, in fact another 4 have just opened...
there are 7 aires around the Lugo area.
go to http://www.lapaca.org/ and then areas.

Colin & Angie (Gib,)


Re: [MH-list] free camping in Portugal

ErnB <ernb@...>
 

On 19/2/11 15:11, "bertie bassett" <theberties@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all, does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of the current free camping
situation in Portugal as we have heard so many 3rd hand stories about it being
clamped down on
As you can see from just this website: -

http://www.campingcar-infos.com/Francais/afficheregion.php?pays=PORTUGAL

the aires idea is catching on everywhere except in Britain.
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Re: [MH-list] Trip to Nothern Spain

Brian Marsden
 

On 19/02/2011 11:13:47, skevmd (skevmd@yahoo.co.uk) wrote:
We are planning a trip to Nothern Spain.
West from the French Border ending up in Galicia. Do the Spanish have Aire
equivalents and are there any in the region if not any reasonable
campsites.
As previously posted there are many aires in spain----and they are getting more each month.
This is the Spanish website for aires http://www.areasac.es/v_portal/apartados/pl_paises_3columnas.asp?te=4
Probably more upto date than any books.
Also if it is any help ---free wifi spots http://www.telecentros.es/servicios/directorio/
Also for latest info on Spanish aires---but in Spanish only http://www.lapaca.org/

Few bits to keep you going
Regards
BrianM


free camping in Portugal

theberties
 

Hi all, does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of the current free camping situation in Portugal as we have heard so many 3rd hand stories about it being clamped down on

thanks

bertie in sunny La Manga

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