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Re: [MH-list] 2 berth with drop down bed?

Pet Human <pethuman@...>
 

Robert Budd wrote:
All of these small 2-berth M/Hs look great, BUT, as with so many M/Hs,
the "double" bed is, at most, 135 cm wide, with most of them 'weighing
in' at 130 cm at the widest point. A 4ft bed might be okay for a night
or two, but long-term I'd want at least 5ft (152 cm) and only Hymer
seem to offer anything this big.
What size you need depends partly on what size you are, but also on what
size bed you are used to. A standard-sized double bed in the UK is 4'6"
wide (54inches, or 137 centimetres), and plenty of people manage with
those at home.

Personally, I don't expect a motorhome or campervan to provide the same
amenities as home, so I'm happy to live with a slightly narrower bed (it
still beats sleeping outside in the rain). YMMV


Re: [MH-list] Liege Xmas market ?/German

Carol Weaver
 

Don the Stuttgart one is held in the town centre as well and around the
Cathedral and Town Hall - huge and lovely, been about 4 times..

Carol

2008/11/3 Don Madge <don.madge@tiscali.co.uk>

On Mon 03 November 2008 12:40

any one been there, done that ?
any good places to park ?
----------------------------------------------------------
Never done a Belgian market but understand they are on a par with the
German
ones.

Anybody thinking of going to the German Christmas markets here's a few GPS
co ords for Stellplatz.

AACHEN
Town Centre N50º 45'42. E6º 6'11
Outer Town N50º 47'13.524 E6º 7'49.08

DUSSELDORF
Town Centre N 51º 14'10 E 6º 46'18

KOBLENZ
Town Centre N50º 21'44.028 E7º 35'21.408
Outer Town N50º 20'48.3 E7º 30'21.06

KOLN
Riehl N50º 57'48.56 E6º59'03.30
Marsdorf N50º 54'58 E6º 50'49

TRIER
Messepark N49º44'18.19 E6º37'22.97

WORMS
Centre N49º 37'54 E8º 22'36

Enjoy yourselves.

Don


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Re: [MH-list] 2 berth with drop down bed?

Robert Budd <RobertBudd@...>
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, "bty851935" <revalison@...>
wrote:

Oh my goodness, the la strada trento looks gorgeous. Yes it was very
much like that one. But as the wingamm in the CC mag is way out of
our price range, I'm guessing the la strada will be too.

All of these small 2-berth M/Hs look great, BUT, as with so many M/Hs,
the "double" bed is, at most, 135 cm wide, with most of them 'weighing
in' at 130 cm at the widest point. A 4ft bed might be okay for a night
or two, but long-term I'd want at least 5ft (152 cm) and only Hymer
seem to offer anything this big.


Lille Christmas Markets

tasman2405@...
 

On 03/11/2008 at 19:04:04 GMT Tim wrote:

We are thinking about doing the Lille Christmas market (having been rather
disappointed with Bruges last year) - does anyone have any suggestions on
somewhere to park?

We stayed on a campsite to the east of the town before but were disappointed
it was so far out and had no public transport links so we were hoping to
find something a little closer in to the middle...

Thanks
Cheers
--Tim
====================================================================
Tim

Don't know where they hold the Xmas market in Lille but - ff you only want
overnight parking - no facilities - you may be able to park in the Market
Square, Boulevard de la Liberte (GPS 50 deg 37’ 52” N – 3 deg 3’ 45” E) - it's
listed in the camperstop Europe book as overnight parking. You can't get much
closer to the centre:))

We parked there many moons ago before we even knew about aires etc.,
however, that was during a summer vacation, not a Xmas market jaunt.

HTH
Keith


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Re: [MH-list] Liege Xmas market ?/German

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

On Mon 03 November 2008 12:40

any one been there, done that ?
any good places to park ?
----------------------------------------------------------
Never done a Belgian market but understand they are on a par with the German
ones.

Anybody thinking of going to the German Christmas markets here's a few GPS
co ords for Stellplatz.

AACHEN
Town Centre N50º 45’42. E6º 6’11
Outer Town N50º 47’13.524 E6º 7’49.08

DUSSELDORF
Town Centre N 51º 14’10 E 6º 46’18

KOBLENZ
Town Centre N50º 21’44.028 E7º 35’21.408
Outer Town N50º 20’48.3 E7º 30’21.06

KOLN
Riehl N50º 57’48.56 E6º59’03.30
Marsdorf N50º 54’58 E6º 50’49

TRIER
Messepark N49º44’18.19 E6º37’22.97

WORMS
Centre N49º 37’54 E8º 22’36

Enjoy yourselves.

Don


Liege Xmas market ?

john nolan <ex2div@...>
 

any one been there, done that ?
any good places to park ?


Re: [MH-list] stolen motorhome

Fredthegaffer <fredthegaffer@...>
 

Any news on this???
Fred


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

bernardblackmore
 

As Ern says 4WD not the complete answer, I drove into the field next door to
collect my hedgetrimings last week with a Nissan Navara HC which has wide
wheels in low 4WD with a Ifor Williams trailer on the back and guess what I
got stuck in a wet spot.
I went to the motorhome locker and out with the yellow plastic grip mats
jammed them in front of all four wheels and away we went.
I have a 7 meter A class on a Fiat and never use sites as I live in France
but this was the first time the grip mats had been used. Park sensible and
you will have very few problems, If I was to park on softish terrain I would
get her indoors to put the grip mats under the drive wheels before parking
for the night remembering to pin them to the ground through the hole
provided.

Kind regards to all

Bernard
Lestrevet Plage, Plomodiern 29550, Finistere, France.

2008/11/3 Ernest <ernb@supanet.com>

On 2/11/08 01:07, "Pet Human" <pethuman@gmail.com <pethuman%40gmail.com>>
wrote:

However, nearly all of these panel van conversions share a problem
common to the coachbuilts, in that they are front-wheel drive. Great on
the road, great for providing a low floor inside, but pretty useless in
slippery conditions. I have tried one, and it struggled on wet grass; a
friend camping in France in October watched several of them getting
stuck when they tried to move off flat grass pitches ... and since I
don't intend to make much use of campsites, that's no good for me.
I have a Sprinter coachbuilt with a permanent double bed, L shaped kitchen,
shower and a 2 seater dinette. I solo in it most of the time, and I have
wildcamped and used aires for over 5 years. I have only ever been stuck
once. At a car boot on Bath race course.

You do not mention any spending limits or budgets, but if you have one, a
4WD is going to make a hell of a dent in it and significantly restrict the
range of suitable vans. For what? As insurance against a 1 in 1,000 chance
of being stuck in the mud, when it could go to providing a few creature
comforts. Believe you me, you will need one or two on the long, cold nights
of winter. Here we are talking about 'sitting in a box' for maybe 16 hours.

Buy yourself a 2nd hand Tirfor from someone like this: -

http://tinyurl.com/5nmwlm

They are easy to use, and I am sure the vendor would show you how to
operate
one safely.

As to insulation, when I started looking, I was warned against British
vans,
which, generally speaking, are designed for summer use. There was one
incident reported in the MH press where two journalists nearly died of
hyperthermia in a well known British marque, while road testing it in the
Alps.

To end, I second Andy's advice and take a look at www.mobile.de.

Good luck.
--
ErnB
Bristol


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Re: [MH-list] Re: What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Peter S
 

Quite right.

Ray Mears got his Land Rover stuck on the Country Estate where my wife works. Had to use a Toyota Hilux to get him out. LOL!

Peter S




We always used to say a 4WD won't stop you getting stuck - it's just
that when you are stuck, you're stuck in a much worse place (or much
more interesting place. . depends on your perspective !) 

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Re: What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

g_paul_millar <g_paul_millar@...>
 

Hi Pet. I would consider whether you really need to have the 4WD.

I've driven a bit around Africa in 4WD and non 4WD. The main advantage
of the 4WD vehicles was just the improved ground clearance, and I got
in and out of a lot of places in my VW Kombi van (admittedly rear wheel
drive).

People get stuck on grass because the weight of the van has lowered the
wheels into depressions. Once the van is rolling you can normally get
in and out of a site I think, unless it is horribly boggy. Anything
that spreads the load under the front wheels and has a bit of grip
should prevent you getting stuck. I just have a couple of carpet tiles
about a foot square but there are better things available in the shops
to do this.

And of course there are other things you can do like let lots of air
out of the tyres - a nuisance to pump them up again but does give you
much more grip.

I guess I'm saying that there are many tactical things you can do to
stop yourself getting stuck, that don't involve 4WD.

We always used to say a 4WD won't stop you getting stuck - it's just
that when you are stuck, you're stuck in a much worse place (or much
more interesting place. . depends on your perspective !)


Paul

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, Pet Human <pethuman@...> wrote:

I have been looking for a while at getting a campervan or small
motorhome. Not just a summer weekend vehicle, but something capable of
being used away from campsites and in wet weather, whilst still being
reasonably manoeuvrable.


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 2/11/08 01:07, "Pet Human" <pethuman@gmail.com> wrote:

However, nearly all of these panel van conversions share a problem
common to the coachbuilts, in that they are front-wheel drive. Great on
the road, great for providing a low floor inside, but pretty useless in
slippery conditions. I have tried one, and it struggled on wet grass; a
friend camping in France in October watched several of them getting
stuck when they tried to move off flat grass pitches ... and since I
don't intend to make much use of campsites, that's no good for me.
I have a Sprinter coachbuilt with a permanent double bed, L shaped kitchen,
shower and a 2 seater dinette. I solo in it most of the time, and I have
wildcamped and used aires for over 5 years. I have only ever been stuck
once. At a car boot on Bath race course.

You do not mention any spending limits or budgets, but if you have one, a
4WD is going to make a hell of a dent in it and significantly restrict the
range of suitable vans. For what? As insurance against a 1 in 1,000 chance
of being stuck in the mud, when it could go to providing a few creature
comforts. Believe you me, you will need one or two on the long, cold nights
of winter. Here we are talking about 'sitting in a box' for maybe 16 hours.

Buy yourself a 2nd hand Tirfor from someone like this: -

http://tinyurl.com/5nmwlm

They are easy to use, and I am sure the vendor would show you how to operate
one safely.

As to insulation, when I started looking, I was warned against British vans,
which, generally speaking, are designed for summer use. There was one
incident reported in the MH press where two journalists nearly died of
hyperthermia in a well known British marque, while road testing it in the
Alps.

To end, I second Andy's advice and take a look at www.mobile.de.

Good luck.
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

W3526602@...
 

Hi Pet,

I asked advice on _www.DIFFLOCK.com_ (http://www.DIFFLOCK.com) forum.
Somebody came up with

_www.azalai.co.uk_ (http://www.azalai.co.uk) in the 4x4 section.

If you visit DIFFLOCK, aldo check out the RANT and COFFEE sections neae
bottom of main menu. Irreverent bunch!

602


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Rob Clarke
 

If you don't mind an old(er) VW, the syncro is a really efficient off road
4wd vehicle. There are some around that have been converted to a proper
camper, with fitted cupboards, rock&roll beds etc & there's normally plenty
of space for a portaloo or similar (especially in older T25/T3 based
Syncro's where the engine is still at the back).

If you have a look around on youtube, there are videos that show how good
they are at going off road, often going places & up inclines that Land
Rovers would struggle to get to !

Syncrospares, based in Devon, normally have a few good vehicles for sale,
both older T25 & more modern T4 vehicles (www.syncrospares.co.uk).

For the older T25/T3 based sycnros the site with some of the best
information is http://www.club80-90syncro.co.uk/

If you are after something a lot newer, then the 4motion Vw transporter is
pretty good, and there are a few companies around who do conversions - maybe
Bilbo's conversions might be worth a look (they're better than VW's official
conversion IMHO) http://www.bilbos.com/



Good luck & hope you find the right van for you.



Rob Clarke





From: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
[mailto:motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Pet Human
Sent: 02 November 2008 01:08
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?



I have been looking for a while at getting a campervan or small
motorhome. Not just a summer weekend vehicle, but something capable of
being used away from campsites and in wet weather, whilst still being
reasonably manoeuvrable.

I don't need a huge white box: there's only me and my dog, and one
woman+hound doesn't need acres of space. I do want a well-insulated
vehicle with a decent heater, and preferably with double-glazed side
windows to reduce condensation, enough water storage to last a few days
with careful use, and a bit of storage. I need a double bed where my
small dog can stretch out beside his human hot water bottle, and while I
don't mind a fold-out bed, I do want something where I can use the loo
at night without having to dismantle the bed. I'd like a shower, but
that may not be achievable in a compact vehicle, so I could make do with
a sink with a hot water tap.

The problem I find is that this sort of spec sits in between two fairly
well-defined genres: the weekend campervan (usually with very little
tankage and a fold-out double bed which takes most of the floorspace)
and the coachbuilt motorhome, which is usually a much larger vehicle.
Crucially, nearly all coachbuilts are significantly wider than than the
vans on which they are based, making them a bit of a handful in tight
spaces.

The compromise genre which I thought would provide the answer was the
panel van conversion. There's wide choice of sizes, from the deliciously
compact Romahome Dimension up to long wheelbase hightops like the
Timberland models. They are usefully narrower than the coachbuilts, can
be disguised as an ordinary van, and

However, nearly all of these panel van conversions share a problem
common to the coachbuilts, in that they are front-wheel drive. Great on
the road, great for providing a low floor inside, but pretty useless in
slippery conditions. I have tried one, and it struggled on wet grass; a
friend camping in France in October watched several of them getting
stuck when they tried to move off flat grass pitches ... and since I
don't intend to make much use of campsites, that's no good for me.

I think that rear-wheel drive might do better in marginal conditions,
since a camper tends to carry a lot of weight at the back, often
overhanging the rear axle, but 4-wheel-drive would be better. However,
I can find no 4WD panel van conversions currently in production, and the
only RWD van I have found is the Mercedes Sprinter-based La Strada
Regent (very nice, but very expensive, even secondhand). Ford does make
an AWD Transit van in various sizes, but I can't find anyone building a
campervan on it.

So far, all the 4WD options seem to be secondhand and Japanese. In some
ways, that's good, because I like the reliability of Japanese vehicles,
but the choice is limited. At the lower end of the scale we have the
Mazda Bongo and Toyota Granvia, which are great vans but a bit small.
Stepping up a notch, all that seems to be available is the Toyota Hiace.
Thoroughly reliable, but most of those available seem to have rather
poor interior designs: even those that are big enough to hold a shower
etc still seem to be converted minibuses with single-glazed windows, and
the cab-forward design means no walkthrough from the front seats.

My needs may be unusual, but I'm sure that they are not unique. Are the
really no other alternatives, or have I missed something? At the
moment, I think that a hi-roof Toyota Hiace will be my best bet, but I'd
welcome any other suggestions.


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Peter S
 

I saw an IH Mercedes Sprinter 4x4 in the Black Forest a few years ago. It
must have been a one off special as they have only just stared using the
Sprinter as a base seriously. I suppose that a 4x4 version would be a
possibility but it is going to cost £60K I expect and therefore out of the
question.

Peter S

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list@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of B WEBB
Sent: 02 November 2008 12:00
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Perhaps it depends where you start from?{;-} Maybe they looked better
compared to an
ancient VW converted by Autohomes sometime BC with a rock&roll bed and
laminate
surfaces that turn out to be paper printed wood grain!


On 2 Nov 2008, at 11:13, Andy Clarke wrote:

When
we were thinking of getting a conversion done I visited Youngs and
wasn't terribly impressed.


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Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

B WEBB <woodlake21rry@...>
 

Perhaps it depends where you start from?{;-} Maybe they looked better
compared to an
ancient VW converted by Autohomes sometime BC with a rock&roll bed and
laminate
surfaces that turn out to be paper printed wood grain!

On 2 Nov 2008, at 11:13, Andy Clarke wrote:

When
we were thinking of getting a conversion done I visited Youngs and
wasn't terribly impressed.


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

On 02/11/2008 10:51, B WEBB wrote:
You don't mention your budget but it might be worth making a phone call, or visiting, Youngs of Milton Keynes.
They will look for a clean second hand base vehicle of your choice and do the conversion to suit you, couldn't
fault the workmanship of the two I've seen. There are other firms that advertise but I've not seen examples of
their work. Probably more expensive than a secondhand one that isn't exactly to your spec. where you would
have to put up with the inconveniences, but, if it is exactly to your spec you'll use it and enjoy it more.
A conversion built to your own specification will at least give you what you want, and you can choose the base vehicle. However I would advise visiting some conversion companies so you can see work in progress. When we were thinking of getting a conversion done I visited Youngs and wasn't terribly impressed.

I think the base vehicle that would suit the stated requirements best would probably be a 4x4 Mercedes Sprinter. Not best suited for serious off-road work but capable of getting out of most sticky situations. Not too many of them in the UK but available fairly easily in Germany (not cheap though...)

Andy Clarke


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

B WEBB <woodlake21rry@...>
 

You don't mention your budget but it might be worth making a phone
call, or visiting, Youngs of Milton Keynes.
They will look for a clean second hand base vehicle of your choice and
do the conversion to suit you, couldn't
fault the workmanship of the two I've seen. There are other firms that
advertise but I've not seen examples of
their work. Probably more expensive than a secondhand one that isn't
exactly to your spec. where you would
have to put up with the inconveniences, but, if it is exactly to your
spec you'll use it and enjoy it more.

Alternatively I have seen quite a good conversion done by the owner of
a secondhand field ambulance based
on a landrover, probably the longwheel based version from memory.

Cheers

Barry

On 2 Nov 2008, at 01:07, Pet Human wrote:

I have been looking for a while at getting a campervan or small
motorhome. Not just a summer weekend vehicle, but something capable of
being used away from campsites and in wet weather, whilst still being
reasonably manoeuvrable.

I don't need a huge white box: there's only me and my dog, and one
woman+hound doesn't need acres of space. I do want a well-insulated
vehicle with a decent heater, and preferably with double-glazed side
windows to reduce condensation, enough water storage to last a few
days
with careful use, and a bit of storage. I need a double bed where my
small dog can stretch out beside his human hot water bottle, and
while I
don't mind a fold-out bed, I do want something where I can use the loo
at night without having to dismantle the bed. I'd like a shower, but
that may not be achievable in a compact vehicle, so I could make do
with
a sink with a hot water tap.

The problem I find is that this sort of spec sits in between two
fairly
well-defined genres: the weekend campervan (usually with very little
tankage and a fold-out double bed which takes most of the floorspace)
and the coachbuilt motorhome, which is usually a much larger vehicle.
Crucially, nearly all coachbuilts are significantly wider than than
the
vans on which they are based, making them a bit of a handful in tight
spaces.

The compromise genre which I thought would provide the answer was the
panel van conversion. There's wide choice of sizes, from the
deliciously
compact Romahome Dimension up to long wheelbase hightops like the
Timberland models. They are usefully narrower than the coachbuilts,
can
be disguised as an ordinary van, and

However, nearly all of these panel van conversions share a problem
common to the coachbuilts, in that they are front-wheel drive. Great
on
the road, great for providing a low floor inside, but pretty useless
in
slippery conditions. I have tried one, and it struggled on wet
grass; a
friend camping in France in October watched several of them getting
stuck when they tried to move off flat grass pitches ... and since I
don't intend to make much use of campsites, that's no good for me.

I think that rear-wheel drive might do better in marginal conditions,
since a camper tends to carry a lot of weight at the back, often
overhanging the rear axle, but 4-wheel-drive would be better. However,
I can find no 4WD panel van conversions currently in production, and
the
only RWD van I have found is the Mercedes Sprinter-based La Strada
Regent (very nice, but very expensive, even secondhand). Ford does
make
an AWD Transit van in various sizes, but I can't find anyone
building a
campervan on it.

So far, all the 4WD options seem to be secondhand and Japanese. In
some
ways, that's good, because I like the reliability of Japanese
vehicles,
but the choice is limited. At the lower end of the scale we have the
Mazda Bongo and Toyota Granvia, which are great vans but a bit small.
Stepping up a notch, all that seems to be available is the Toyota
Hiace.
Thoroughly reliable, but most of those available seem to have rather
poor interior designs: even those that are big enough to hold a shower
etc still seem to be converted minibuses with single-glazed windows,
and
the cab-forward design means no walkthrough from the front seats.

My needs may be unusual, but I'm sure that they are not unique. Are
the
really no other alternatives, or have I missed something? At the
moment, I think that a hi-roof Toyota Hiace will be my best bet, but
I'd
welcome any other suggestions.



Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

James Cheney <james.cheney@...>
 

Pet Human wrote:
So far, all the 4WD options seem to be secondhand and Japanese. In some
ways, that's good, because I like the reliability of Japanese vehicles,
but the choice is limited.
Had you considered a demountable on a 4WD pick-up, that would seem to tick all the boxes if you go for a narrow one.

Jim


Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

You will find quite a choice in Germany, 4x4 options seem more popular there.

Start with:
www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/searchPublic.pl?new=1&bereich=womo&sprache=2
Set your price range then scroll to the bottom of the page and select 4 wheel drive.

Andy Clarke
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Re: [MH-list] What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

derek_sims@...
 

I have been looking for a while at getting a campervan or small
motorhome. Not just a summer weekend vehicle, but something capable of
being used away from campsites and in wet weather, whilst still being
reasonably manoeuvrable.

A very interesting set of requirements and not one I would have an immediate answer for. Reg here on the list has done an interesting conversion on a Land Rover Defender, but as 602 wrote, that may not be for you.

We have an A-Class MH based on a RWD Mercedes Sprinter. I'm sure that's better on wet grass than front wheel drive but as we prefer to use small sites and wild camp, we have been in a number of situations where we would have liked 4WD. At the time ours was built there was a four wheel drive version of the Sprinter available and I don't know if we could have ordered one to be built on that chassis. In our case that wasn't an option as we got a good deal by taking one from stock at the end of the season. However, I have heard of someone with a Pilote based on a 4WD chassis, can't remember which.

It might be worth your while looking for a used 4WD Sprinter van (probably your chances will be greater if you're prepared to accept LHD) and getting a professional conversion done to your specific requirements. It's just crossed my mind that I had the impression that some of the smaller ambulances were 4WD to aid access to awkward spots - may be a chance there.

HTH

Derek


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