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What choice of well-equipped 4WD campervan?

Pet Human <pethuman@...>
 

I have been looking for a while at getting a campervan or small
motorhome. Not just a summer weekend vehicle, but something capable of
being used away from campsites and in wet weather, whilst still being
reasonably manoeuvrable.

I don't need a huge white box: there's only me and my dog, and one
woman+hound doesn't need acres of space. I do want a well-insulated
vehicle with a decent heater, and preferably with double-glazed side
windows to reduce condensation, enough water storage to last a few days
with careful use, and a bit of storage. I need a double bed where my
small dog can stretch out beside his human hot water bottle, and while I
don't mind a fold-out bed, I do want something where I can use the loo
at night without having to dismantle the bed. I'd like a shower, but
that may not be achievable in a compact vehicle, so I could make do with
a sink with a hot water tap.

The problem I find is that this sort of spec sits in between two fairly
well-defined genres: the weekend campervan (usually with very little
tankage and a fold-out double bed which takes most of the floorspace)
and the coachbuilt motorhome, which is usually a much larger vehicle.
Crucially, nearly all coachbuilts are significantly wider than than the
vans on which they are based, making them a bit of a handful in tight
spaces.

The compromise genre which I thought would provide the answer was the
panel van conversion. There's wide choice of sizes, from the deliciously
compact Romahome Dimension up to long wheelbase hightops like the
Timberland models. They are usefully narrower than the coachbuilts, can
be disguised as an ordinary van, and

However, nearly all of these panel van conversions share a problem
common to the coachbuilts, in that they are front-wheel drive. Great on
the road, great for providing a low floor inside, but pretty useless in
slippery conditions. I have tried one, and it struggled on wet grass; a
friend camping in France in October watched several of them getting
stuck when they tried to move off flat grass pitches ... and since I
don't intend to make much use of campsites, that's no good for me.

I think that rear-wheel drive might do better in marginal conditions,
since a camper tends to carry a lot of weight at the back, often
overhanging the rear axle, but 4-wheel-drive would be better. However,
I can find no 4WD panel van conversions currently in production, and the
only RWD van I have found is the Mercedes Sprinter-based La Strada
Regent (very nice, but very expensive, even secondhand). Ford does make
an AWD Transit van in various sizes, but I can't find anyone building a
campervan on it.

So far, all the 4WD options seem to be secondhand and Japanese. In some
ways, that's good, because I like the reliability of Japanese vehicles,
but the choice is limited. At the lower end of the scale we have the
Mazda Bongo and Toyota Granvia, which are great vans but a bit small.
Stepping up a notch, all that seems to be available is the Toyota Hiace.
Thoroughly reliable, but most of those available seem to have rather
poor interior designs: even those that are big enough to hold a shower
etc still seem to be converted minibuses with single-glazed windows, and
the cab-forward design means no walkthrough from the front seats.

My needs may be unusual, but I'm sure that they are not unique. Are the
really no other alternatives, or have I missed something? At the
moment, I think that a hi-roof Toyota Hiace will be my best bet, but I'd
welcome any other suggestions.


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Re: [SPAM?]RE: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 1/11/08 10:50, "Neill King (MH-List)" <yahoo@motorcaravanning.co.uk>
wrote:

More dirty tricks by the 'pirates'???
Quite possible. But what happened to ChannelPirates.com?
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 1/11/08 09:23, "Andy Clarke" <andy@bm-services.co.uk> wrote:

Some sort of temporary problem I guess.
Understandable, with a one boat ferry company.
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [SPAM?]RE: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk
[mailto:motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Don Madge

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... They have no idea were the Times got their info.
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More dirty tricks by the 'pirates'???



Best regards

Neill
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Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

On 01 November 2008 00:02 Itineris2000@aol.com wrote

"The Times".....Thursday 30th October 08....Page 31.... First Column...
Under " Travel"
... "Speedferries suspended its services between Dover and Boulogne from
28th October".
Customers should contact the company for further information.
===========================================================
I've just spoken to Speedferries and they claim their services are running
as planned. They have no idea were the Times got their info.

Don


Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Andy Clarke <andy@...>
 

On 01/11/2008 08:46, jcjh123 wrote:
--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, "jcjh123" <john@...> wrote:
--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, Joe Soap <motorhomer@> wrote:

This weeks thursday edition of the Times under Daily Universal
Register.
I've just had a look at the paper - can't find that item anywhere.
I've found the 'Register' (starts on page 67) but no 'Daily Universal
Register' (that was the original name for the Times - from 1785 to
1787!).
Can you give us a page/column?

John H
Sorry John - found it! Page 31. 'Speedferries suspended its sevices between Dover and Boulogne-sur-Mer
from October 28. Customers should contact the company for further
information. fco.gov.uk'
Hover the Speedferries website (http://www.speedferries.com) doesn't
mention anything about 'services suspended'. Strange.
John H
There is a note on the fco.gov.uk website (updated 29th Oct) which states that the reference to Speedferries suspending their ferry services between Dover and Boulogne sur Mer has been removed as they have now resumed.

Some sort of temporary problem I guess.

Andy Clarke
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Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

jcjh123 <john@...>
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, "jcjh123" <john@...> wrote:

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, Joe Soap <motorhomer@> wrote:


This weeks thursday edition of the Times under Daily Universal
Register.
I've just had a look at the paper - can't find that item anywhere.
I've found the 'Register' (starts on page 67) but no 'Daily Universal
Register' (that was the original name for the Times - from 1785 to
1787!).

Can you give us a page/column?

John H
Sorry John - found it! Page 31.

'Speedferries suspended its sevices between Dover and Boulogne-sur-Mer
from October 28. Customers should contact the company for further
information. fco.gov.uk'

Hover the Speedferries website (http://www.speedferries.com) doesn't
mention anything about 'services suspended'. Strange.

John H


Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

jcjh123 <john@...>
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk, Joe Soap <motorhomer@...> wrote:


This weeks thursday edition of the Times under Daily Universal Register.
I've just had a look at the paper - can't find that item anywhere.
I've found the 'Register' (starts on page 67) but no 'Daily Universal
Register' (that was the original name for the Times - from 1785 to 1787!).

Can you give us a page/column?

John H


Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Joe Soap
 

This weeks thursday edition of the Times under Daily Universal Register.

To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.ukFrom: andy@bm-services.co.ukDate: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:46:12 +0000Subject: Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED




On 31/10/2008 11:33, Joe Soap wrote:> Just read that Speed Ferries have stopped running to Boulogne from Dover.> Where did you see his? They still appear to be taking bookings.Andy Clarke-- www.ukmotorhomes.net - The UK Motorhome Websitewww.motorhomemarket.co.uk - The Motorhome Classifieds





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Re: [MH-list] Speeding [was: cruise control, is it worth it?]

Pet Human <pethuman@...>
 

Steve wrote:


Which is ridiculous when a vehicle isnt marked in units smaller than 5mph
(VW T5)
Why? Drive under the limit, rather than AT the limit, and you'll be fine


Re: [MH-list] Speeding [was: cruise control, is it worth it?]

Steve <steve@...>
 

Which is ridiculous when a vehicle isnt marked in units smaller than 5mph
(VW T5)

-------Original Message-------



From: Duncan in Bideford

Date: 31/10/2008 15:18:11

To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.co.uk

Subject: RE: [MH-list] Speeding [was: cruise control, is it worth it?]



PETER STALLWOOD wrote

But I always want to beat Tom Tom!!
So do I, Peter, but the neighbours complain about the noise!



But, back to the topic....



It is true that ACPO guideline is 10% + 2 mph and this is generally the
standard. However, at an advanced driving group meeting, we were told that
this guideline is overruled on certain stretches of road for any of several
reasons including collision record, proximity to sensitive locations
(schools, hospitals, etc.), local campaigns....



On those occasions, the penalty speed may be reduced right down to just
above the posted limit. As has already been said, a speedometer is not
allowed to under read so whenever a penalty is imposed it follows that the
vehicle instrumentation was reading at or above the recorded speed.



Duncan


Re: [MH-list] Bruges Trip

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 31/10/08 20:34, "Don Madge" <don.madge@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

£9 each way on Norfolk Line plus fuel surcharge for vans up to 6 metres.
Brilliant, Don. Although it is early hours crossings. And no length
restriction on the pages I used. Simply <Car/motorhome over 2.4M high>.

I have to stay in UK for another 3 or 4 weeks, at least. And then my
passport expires on 13th Dec. Bloody laugh, ain't it? For £18, I can get to
France and back, and yet the Dept of Highway Robbery and Racketeering want
£72 to renew a passport.

Come the bloody revolution, brother!

Ah! I know. I'll use my winter fuel payment and spend the rest on red
nectar, fine meats and, this time, I am going to hunt down those wonderful
St Dalfour fruit spreads. They have gone up to £1.69, and I do so like the
Orange and Ginger spread on toast. See:- http://tinyurl.com/5ocnch
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] Bruges Trip

Don Madge <don.madge@...>
 

On Fri 31 October 2008 19:58 Ernie wrote

Our great 2-night minicruise from Hull includes return coach transfers to
Bruges city centre on arrival. Prices start from just £70pp*, departing
Sunday to Wednesday. And when one pays, one goes FREE!

It could appeal to some.
========================================================
Ernie,

£9 each way on Norfolk Line plus fuel surcharge for vans up to 6 metres.

Don


Re: [MH-list] Re: Speeding [was: cruise control, is it worth it?]

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 31/10/08 20:00, "Duncan in Bideford" <duncan@evangel.co.uk> wrote:

Yes, we have several on inclines in Devon.
Yeah! Well, Devon. Have they got gravity down there yet?
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] SPEED FERRIES STOPPED

Itineris2000@...
 

"The Times".....Thursday 30th October 08....Page 31.... First Column...
Under " Travel"
... "Speedferries suspended its services between Dover and Boulogne from
28th October".
Customers should contact the company for further information.


Re: [MH-list] Re: Speeding [was: cruise control, is it worth it?]

Duncan in Bideford <duncan@...>
 

Ernest wrote on 31 October 2008 19:25

30mph zone by a camera placed on a downhill slope!
Has anyone ever seen one on an uphill slope?
Yes, we have several on inclines in Devon.

Duncan


Bruges Trip

ErnB
 

In case anyone would like a quick dash over, P&O are offering: -

Our great 2-night minicruise from Hull includes return coach transfers to
Bruges city centre on arrival. Prices start from just £70pp*, departing
Sunday to Wednesday. And when one pays, one goes FREE!

It could appeal to some.
--
ErnB
Bristol


Re: [MH-list] Re: Speeding [was: cruise control, is it worth it?]

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 31/10/08 16:57, "calypso155" <varden@o2.co.uk> wrote:

30mph zone by a camera placed on a downhill slope!
Has anyone ever seen one on an uphill slope?
--
ErnB
Bristol


OT Coppers - Was Speeding [

Ernest <ernb@...>
 

On 31/10/08 16:36, "W3526602@aol.com" <W3526602@aol.com> wrote:

And anyway, any copper knows how to add a few MPH.
And the rest. They have even got away with murder. Blair Peach?

I have mentioned it before, but if anyone wants to know how policemen work
and what they think, or the "Binary World" of a policeman, then read "An
Inside Job" by ex-copper Malcolm Young. It is a really good read.

As someone once told me, "All coppers are bent. A few are bent for the job,
some are bent for themselves, but the rest are bent because they know what
is going on and do nothing about it."

Don't believe that? Read "No Way Up the Greasy Pole" by Alison Halford,
"Stalker" by the man himself, and then "The Poisoned Tree" by his mate Kevin
Taylor. You will never, ever, look at coppers the same way again. As to
crime figures!
--
ErnB
Bristol

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