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Re: [MH-list] UK Aires etc./Stop over campaign

Pee Dee <pee.dee@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Voxy" <voxol51@yahoo.co.uk>
snip<>
Is it fair to use security risk and aires in the same sentance?
Why not, it is certainly fair to say security risks are greater wild
camping, a little less on an aire if others are there with you and are
least on a campsite.

Like any motorhome owner, the decision to wild camp is totally an
individual choice. We wild camp often.
In my opinion, an aire is no safer, security wise, than wild camping.
The only reassurance I get on an aire is that I can sleep without
fear of the local constabulary moving me on at 3am!

If we camp on a french village aire, and get broken into, do we hold
the village responsible and sue the village?
It is our choice to park on the aire, so it is OUR choice to weigh up
the security risk and move elsewhere if we are not happy.
If a local authority or private business provides an aire, why should
they be held responsible?

Most aires are basically just "official wild camping spots" with
signs saying you can park and dump waste, often free of charge.
Aires are not designed to be high security safe havens. The risk
factor is the choice of the individual motorhomer.
Why can't we say to these people, "all we want is a place to legally
sleep in our vehicles knowing we won't get moved on - security is our
problem".
I agree with you but the point I was making is the majority of choice is
preference for a secure camping area and the majority consider the risks of
wild camping are too high both for personal safety and vehicle safety. I
haven't seen sufficient evidence on the list to contridict this statement.

snip<
Incidently, our naturist club magazine was sent out earlier this week.
In it is a report from some members that stayed on a French campsite,
and during the 6 weeks they were there, there were 5 break ins! So,
how secure are proper sites?
I have seen the good bad and the extremely ugly on campsites as well Voxy
but the difference here is if the owner continues to allow these events they
will soon be out of business.I suspect the same applies to communal 'Aires'
and I'd like to bet there is a good grapevine on the net somewhere about the
good bad and ugly 'Aires'. If you are not in the 'know' you will almost
certainly think twice before using them. Who is there to care about wild
spots and is there such a thing as a truely out of the way peaceful spot in
crowded England where you are unlikely to have your sleep disturbed? I get
very irritable when I don't get my beauty sleep! :-) It ruins my day and it
is no way to enjoy a holiday.

Voxy
( a member of the take 'responsibility for yourself, don't blame
others' party.)
I still say 'stop-overs' however they are defined will be/are no go areas
for the majority unless security will be/is visible and is policed. If they
ever do come about in the country it would only take a couple of bad
incidents for the majority to boycott them, then what has the local economy
gained?

Pete D


Re: [MH-list] Re: OT Virus's/msnhotmail

gill107 <gillian.c.selby@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary" <musicalj2@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: [MH-list] Re: OT Virus's/msnhotmail



Hmmmm, well that does make me wonder - Norton has just carried out
another anti-virus check, but the one I received this morning was an
automated response mail - you know - will reply to you as soon as i
get back, sort of thing. And I thought it might be from someone I
knew who could quite legitimately have used the sending address
without being suspect. So I opened it.... But most viruses recently
seem to have been contained in 24k mail - although I think they are
upping the ante a bit and moved on to 41k just recently.

Hope you don't get any more from me unheralded!

Hilary
------------------------------
Hilary, it wouldn't be from you.
It would be from the address book on someone else's computer.
Their computer will be infected and the virus will be going out again from
them using the addresses on their computer.

If everyone had protection, the viruses (virii?) would have nowhere to go
and hide and to use as a base to spread from.

Can't worry about it anymore, we're off to Dover tonight and France for six
weeks in the morning.

Gillian


Re: [MH-list] Digest Number 2491

Colin Roberts
 

----- Original Message -----



--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <st.brelades@t...> wrote:

Now I am thinking of trying to find or fabricate a pepper spray, a
longer
range weapon than a punch but probably effective. In France, one can
buy
C.S. sprays, but they are illegal over here.
Sorry to hear of your disturbed sleep, as for self protection, I had
considered a basball bat, but you need a bit of room to swing it, and would
rather be inside the van than outside, so I decided on fitting 3 x CO2 fire
extinguishers one just inside each of the doors, these can be fired off
through a small opening, and is so cold will freeze on contact for a short
time, the weight of the cyilnder is also handy, I also have a small clear
plastic container 3/4 full of Cayan Pepper (Hotter than Curry Powder) with a
photo copy of a 20 on top of the pepper, if they want money they can have
the box and its contence,
Take care and do not let this one unfortunate incident spoil your enjoyment,
Very best regards Colin R.....
Best regards
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Re: [MH-list] OT Virus's/msnhotmail

John Goodman
 

Gbkaven wrote:
We have our preview pane closed. Much safer.
Much safer not to use "Outbreak Express" in the first place!

--
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Re: [MH-list] thetford toilet 2c

David Jobson <davidjobson@...>
 

Stan

I think you remove the toilet roll thing. Just put hand inside and
withdraw -there are no screws. Pump is underneath and from memory I
think has one screw holding it. Suggest draining flush tank first.

Roy
Yes that fits my memory - except no screw that I remember
BUT
My problem was NOT the pump, but the once waterproof
underwater plug.

This I resoldered, and used a trick I've seem plumbers use.
That is cover it in evostick and then tape up with normal]
waterproof tape - I did this with two layers and then
added shriek proof (put on before soldering!).

Best way to empty the reservoir was to syphon off.



David Jobson


[MH-list] Re: OT Virus's/msnhotmail

gbkaven <george@...>
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "Pee Dee" <pee.dee@n...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "gill107" <gillian.c.selby@b...>

There is advice around that it is better to have the preview pane
closed
so
that no mail opens automatically when the cursur falls on it when
for
instance deleting the message above.

Gillian
I seen this posted before but doubt this. I certainly have my
preview pane
open but it is the act of opening any attachments which will cause
the
infection. Previewing does not open any attachments. With the
upsurge of
virus activity I am mostly using mail washer to screen my mail and
provide
additional protection.

Pete D
www.wheelgotravelling.info

We have our preview pane closed. Much safer.


Elizabeth


Re: [MH-list] Digest Number 2491

Hilary
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "Darren" <daz@m...> wrote:
Think about what we carry. Knives, steady winders, tools, fire
extinguishers, steering wheel lock, tins of food, table legs, all
handy for attacking idiots, sorry, defending yourself with. It's a
wonder that people are stupid enough to pick on motorhomes :)

Darren
In my younger days I carried a hockey stick - longer reach than a
baseball bat! But unfortunately I only ever got to use it in the Army
hockey team I was in. I suppose the dictum of why aim for the balls
when you can aim for the ankles others sometimes employed in the game
might usefully be reversed under attack of a non-sporting kind! ;->

Hilary


[MH-list] Re: OT Virus's/msnhotmail

gbkaven <george@...>
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "Pee Dee" <pee.dee@n...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary" <musicalj2@y...>

Just out of interest, how small can a virus carrying mail be -
anyone
know? Because I've just opened an mail at 1k, thinking it was
from
someone I know and it ain't, so I'm worrying about whether I
should
be worrying! :-(

Hilary
I would imagine it is possible to constuct a virus under 1K.
However if you
only opened the mail and not the attachment you should be ok. If
you opened
the attachment, if you can update your anti vius software and scan
your PC.

Pete D
www.wheelgotravelling.info



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Hi


I notice4d our A/V updated this evening. Not long after we had that
w32 skynet one come in on an email. Twas caught by Norton A/V &
deleted. It said it came from symantec.




Elizabeth


[MH-list] Re: OT Virus's/msnhotmail

Hilary
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "gill107"

There is advice around that it is better to have the preview pane
closed so
that no mail opens automatically when the cursur falls on it when
for
instance deleting the message above.

As a matter of interest I had a virus carrying mail (among others)
this
morning purporting to come from musical2. (I didn't open it.)

Gillian

Hmmmm, well that does make me wonder - Norton has just carried out
another anti-virus check, but the one I received this morning was an
automated response mail - you know - will reply to you as soon as i
get back, sort of thing. And I thought it might be from someone I
knew who could quite legitimately have used the sending address
without being suspect. So I opened it.... But most viruses recently
seem to have been contained in 24k mail - although I think they are
upping the ante a bit and moved on to 41k just recently.

Hope you don't get any more from me unheralded!

Hilary


Re: [MH-list] thetford toilet 2c

Roy Coldrick
 

Stan

I think you remove the toilet roll thing. Just put hand inside and
withdraw -there are no screws. Pump is underneath and from memory I
think has one screw holding it. Suggest draining flush tank first.

Roy


Hi
Has anybody changed the pump in Thetford 2c toilet
if so how do you get at it?
Regards
Stan

---
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Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 20/03/2004


[MH-list] Re: UK Aires etc.

Hilary
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "Pee Dee" <pee.dee@n...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
I know exactly what you mean. At the service area at Warwick on
the M40 they
have provided caravan parking bays and whilst I was there,
50 percent or more of them had been taken by cars. Someone came in
with a
caravan and on seeing this, parked his caravan so close to the car
in the
caravan bay it was not possible for the driver of the car to get
down any
side let alone in to it. The car driver was still frothing at the
mouth when
I pulled away and the caravan owners were no where to be seen. :-))

Pete d
Tee hee...I must admit I'm a bit guilty of doing this as well. I was
parked up in that area travelling with my son when someone (in a car,
natch) pulled up on my front nearside. My son had gone to collect
some sandwiches we could eat on the way, and the person parked the
car in such a way that I knew when he returned he wouldn't be able to
open the door without inflicting some damage. So I asked her to move
her car, pointing out this was an area for caravans and motorhomes
and as my vehicle was so long, there was the off-chance I might hit
her on my way out because of the way she had parked. She did see my
point. (Although I wouldn't have hit her....honest...)

Tesco have mounted a 'Disability Baywatch' at our local store - every
now and again someone pops out to check that the bays marked for
disabled people are not taken up by those idle erks in cars who can't
be bothered to move their healthy bodies further than they think they
can get away with. Perhpas it might be suggested to the people at
the Warwick Services area that they do the same for the caravan
parking area. Next time I go, I might be tempted to park in the
lorry area, but then, that makes me just as guilty of parking in the
wrong place, doesn't it....

Hilary


Re: [MH-list] Digest Number 2491

Motorhomer
 

--- In motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <st.brelades@t...> wrote:

Now I am thinking of trying to find or fabricate a pepper spray, a
longer
range weapon than a punch but probably effective. In France, one can
buy
C.S. sprays, but they are illegal over here.

Sory to hear of your troubles Peter.
Pepper spray is, I beleive, illegal, but WD-40 isn't....

I know it sounds odd, but WD-40 sprays out of the can as a stream not
a spray, well my can does. It will squirt about 4 feet. Have you ever
got WD-40 in your eyes? Wow it stings. It stains as well, which might
help the police catch the offender.

Any can that prays a jet not a mist will do. There is a risk of
getting prosecuted for protecting your property, but if you jumped out
and thumped the offender, you'd still face the risk of prosecution.
That's Britain for you :)

The pump type bottles, window cleaner etc, will have the same jet, but
not as easy to aim :)

Just be carful that you don't blind the guy, so bleaches etc are not
advised, tempting, but not advised :)

Another silly suggestion. Do you carry a fire extinguiser? Have you
ever fired one. Wow, They have a range. And when it's empty you could
use it to beat the crap out of him :)

Think about what we carry. Knives, steady winders, tools, fire
extinguishers, steering wheel lock, tins of food, table legs, all
handy for attacking idiots, sorry, defending yourself with. It's a
wonder that people are stupid enough to pick on motorhomes :)

Darren


Re: [MH-list] Re: OT Virus's/msnhotmail

Tony Strawn <corton86@...>
 

I am getting very P.....d off with the unwanted stuff coming from Hot--mail (that's what the address says) as alot of it is infected, thank god I got a good filter on.

Pee Dee <pee.dee@ntlworld.com> wrote:----- Original Message -----
From: "gill107"

There is advice around that it is better to have the preview pane closed
so
that no mail opens automatically when the cursur falls on it when for
instance deleting the message above.

Gillian
I seen this posted before but doubt this. I certainly have my preview pane
open but it is the act of opening any attachments which will cause the
infection. Previewing does not open any attachments. With the upsurge of
virus activity I am mostly using mail washer to screen my mail and provide
additional protection.

Pete D
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Re: [MH-list] Digest Number 2491

Buff Eagle <buff@...>
 

After a quiet night, I was awakened at 5a.m. by a loud crash on the door,
followed by further crashing blows and a man's voice shouting for me to
come
outside so he could cut me with his knife. Peter
Sorry to hear about this Peter . . . it is something we all hope doesn't
happen and it is most interesting to read of your reaction as obviously
until it happens we don't know how we will react.

When we are wild camping we always make sure that the driver's seat is clear
so we can drive off if we have to, specs/keys at the ready and everything
put away/secured. We have an alarm which when we push both buttons on our
'activator' will set off the alarm and I think we would do that to hopefully
act as a deterrent and then drive away, hoping we don't drive over anyone as
no doubt it would be our fault if we did!

Glad you are not put off . . . . hope we wouldn't be either.

Buff :0)


Re: [MH-list] UK Aires etc./Stop over campaign

John Clemence
 

Thanks Simon & Rich,
You are probably right Rich, it might be better to get the job done professionally, the reason I was considering doing it myself Simon was the same reason I said "don't ask" ie I am so embarrassed!
I was backing into my drive at quite an oblique angle, I had to keep very close to one side in order to get in but the n/s front wheel missed the slipway due to the entry angle, it rode over the curb and in the process threw the coach body over enough to hit the gate post!! I am not used to this effect - it doesn't happen to any degree with a car or small van.
John.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: [MH-list] UK Aires etc./Stop over campaign


You can get a plastic padding product called something like "gel coat" for
filling fibreglass.

Or you could try the chap on the Don Amott site, D Hulse, who repaired a
light scratch for me - surface only. Good price and absoutely first class
work - you don't want to risk a less than perfect repair!

Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Whitehead [mailto:s.whitehead@colleton.org]
Sent: 28 March 2004 18:34
To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MH-list] UK Aires etc./Stop over campaign


I wouldn't fill the insulation bit with anything rigid so car body
filler wouldn't be my first choice. How about Sikaflex. This cures to
a rubbery finish and can be painted over. Is the hole (that we are not
supposed to ask about but obviously we would all like to know...) any
where near a convenient position to place a new side reflecter or some
other cover? Sikaflex can be obtained from any self respecting
chandlery and is the bees knees for any sort of sealing.

Simon Whitehead

On 28 Mar 2004, at 18:05, John Clemence wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm now back after 3 weeks in France. I must have missed most of the
> debate on aires etc but as a newbie I can say I have enjoyed the
> freedom of wild camping during the last few weeks but did also feel a
> little vulnerable at times. One thing that appeals to me is the chance
> to camp at some very peaceful & beautiful places and another aspect,
> (being rather anti-social), is the solitude but this does contribute
> to the vulnerability. This vulnerability would be more acute on longer
> breaks to unknown areas, it would be great to find other like-minded
> individuals who had plenty of free time and while not wishing to live
> "on top each other" could travel to different areas together as I am
> sure there is less chance of attack/robbery when there is more than
> one camper. In future years I would like to spend a few winter weeks
> in Spain or Portugal but imagine that could be hazardous?
> Any thoughts / advice?
> I have enjoyed my first foray into motorhoming and benefited from the
> wealth of experience in this group in choosing and setting up my
> vehicle but I have another practical problem where some advice would
> be appreciated, I have managed to gain a small triangular hole in the
> coachwork, (don't ask!), about .5" x .5" x .5" and some adjacent
> scratching, the hole is through to the insulation. Would a carbody
> type filler be appropriate to effect a repair? The vehicle is a white
> Swift Royale, what sort of paint would be best to finish? could the
> adjacent scratching be "Tee-cut" out. I appreciate that without sight
> of problem advice would only be general.
> Thanks for a great forum.
> John.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Buff Eagle
> To: motorhome-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [MH-list] UK Aires etc./Stop over campaign
>
>
> I just feel that
>> drawing attention to a borderline activity (wild camping) that is
>> currently just tolerated, may prove counter productive.
>>
>> I've wild camped on many occasions in the UK and never been woken by
>> anything, let alone the local constabulary!
>> Martin Bennett
>
> I agree with you Martin.
>
> I think two different things are being discussed here . . .
>
> I would like more public car parks to have external taps so we can
> fill up
> with water easily, and a separate low tap in the toilet area for easy
> swilling out of camping toilets once we have emptied it down the loo.
>
> I don't want somewhere where I can park for the night near the
> toilets as
> that is not what I want to do on holiday!
>
> Incidentally garbage disposal was difficult in Yorkshire as it has
> been
> decided not to put out anywhere for the public/tourists to dispose of
> household waste. Hugh asked in a tourist office about it and they
> say that
> they have much less rubbish around now as people just take it home
> with
> them. There are bins for recycling, glass, plastic, cardboard, but
> nowhere
> for bags of rubbish. NONE!! We kept one bag with us for two days
> before we
> found somewhere, usually in a town centre.
>
> Buff :0)
>
>
>
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Re: [MH-list] UK Aires etc./Stop over campaign

Martin Bennett <bennett@...>
 

In article <001801c414e6$e2451bb0$195889d9@inspiron>, John Clemence
<john@clemence.org.uk> writes
it would be great to find other like-minded
individuals who had plenty of free time and while not wishing to live "on top
each other" could travel to different areas together as I am sure there is less
chance of attack/robbery when there is more than one camper.
I think you are describing a small scale rally!

I have similar antisocial tendencies but on the occasions that I've
tried an organised rally I've been surprised to discover that they are
quite enjoyable and have made some very good friendships. This then
resulted in half a dozen or so like minded folk doing exactly as you
suggested and travelling together to Spain for Christmas. We did this 3
or 4 years running and really enjoyed it.

So try a trip to the Peterborough show and have a look at the various
clubs on the rally fields - see if any take your fancy.

Martin
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Re: [MH-list] Digest Number 2491

mark <carpathianmoonrise@...>
 

hi

terrible thing to hear about your night at salisbury.I had a
similar event happen to me and my wife wild camping at whitby
abbey.I finished work on this particular friday evening and headed
to whitby about 7pm pkd up at the car park which had a population of
about 5 other motorhomes.After saettling down we had a bottle of
wine and then settled to bed to have a read of our books.About
11.30ish loud bangs were heard on each side of our van Uschi jumped
out of bed scared witless which i think upset me more than the
idiots outside.without thinking i jumped out the van with nowt but
skimpy shorts on and armed with 2lt wine bottle.Isaw 2 youths just
jumping back into their car with 2 giggling blondes in the back
seat.i must have been a bit of a shock to van as i have very long
hair,tattos and most parts pierced.All i saw was four paniced faces
in a honda and that fuelled me even more.I went on to tell the two
young girls where i would shove the broken shards of the bottle i
was waving around after i smashed it over their boyfreinds
heads.This seemed to have the desired effect as i have never seen
such panic in my life as 4 obviously shit scared youths left that
car park at about 50 mph.daft thing to do ,probably but i refuse to
let these people interfere in my private life.I have on many
ocassions had this happen to me in the wagon i drive for a living
but to do the same thing in my private time and to my property was
not on.did they come back? i dont know.i wanted to stay and wait for
them but my wife preffered to move on.As she is the boss she got her
way and we moved to a car pk near the whale bones.as i left the car
i saw to young couples having sex on the grass on other "boy racers"
pkd in the corner.turned out there was a meeting of performance cars
at pickering and there was a few staying at whitby.I have stayed on
other times at the abbey and had no trouble,so fingers crossed.And
for the record i have changed the wine bottle for a rounders bat
(strictly to play rounders with of course)


Re: [MH-list] test Please Ignore

Simon Whitehead
 

humbug
On 28 Mar 2004, at 21:07, bill mathieson wrote:

baa.





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