Date   

Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Carol Weaver
 

What’s FIT Alan?

Carol

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 17:03, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 09:52, Brent <brentiow.c@...> wrote:

> Must admit I've always been a TomTom guy but have read good reports about Garmin
>
> What I don't like about TomTom is they withdraw support far too early - I've got the TomTom 1005 Camper version but have had problems (along with a lot of other owners!!) after TomTom did a supposed upgrade

I've had only two TomToms, the first bought after my Garmin 2610
failed due to heavy use and old age.  The Garmin claimed replacement,
a 765T, could never be considered a true replacement as it lacked so
many features of the 2610.  (Carol has owned both.)  So I bought the
TomTom with claimed regularly updated maps, which I updated just
before going to France.  In France I found that these maps were older
than a handheld Garmin that had maps that were three years old!

One section had me driving about 300 metres to the east of the road I
was navigating on.  The voice kept telling me to turn left and right
every few yards as it attempted to get me on to the road I was
actually on.  I bought TomToms first camper GPSr, but it was only a
truck version with a different name.  So back to Garmin.

My first Garmin, a GPS-75, bought in 1976, started to hang out of
warranty.  Fortunately Garmin replaced it with a refurbished one for
free.

More recently my Garmin GPSMAP 276Cx bricked itself during an update.
I removed the battery to reduce weight and returned only the GPSr.
Within about 4 days, I received a brand new complete package.  Now
that's excellent service.  So I now have a spare everything, including
the battery.

Garmin however are no longer very good with their Windows/Mac based
software.  But I guess the likes of me (collectors of waypoints and
tracks) are now few and far between and this software gets little use.
It's now all about sharing FIT and current location, much loved by
younger folk.

Alan.





--
--
Carol WeaverAires photos here|. www.carolweaver.co.uk/Travel
Sign up for SMUGMUG here: https://secure.smugmug.com/signup?Coupon=ETh4Jkg1xE0KE
Plusnet -cardun if you sign up recommend me please and use this link; https://www.plus.net/refer.php?strReferralsUid=190439df75498abb9996f599912e9539a8e2217307e3338783b7c846899424d4


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 09:52, Brent <brentiow.c@gmail.com> wrote:

Must admit I've always been a TomTom guy but have read good reports about Garmin

What I don't like about TomTom is they withdraw support far too early - I've got the TomTom 1005 Camper version but have had problems (along with a lot of other owners!!) after TomTom did a supposed upgrade
I've had only two TomToms, the first bought after my Garmin 2610
failed due to heavy use and old age. The Garmin claimed replacement,
a 765T, could never be considered a true replacement as it lacked so
many features of the 2610. (Carol has owned both.) So I bought the
TomTom with claimed regularly updated maps, which I updated just
before going to France. In France I found that these maps were older
than a handheld Garmin that had maps that were three years old!

One section had me driving about 300 metres to the east of the road I
was navigating on. The voice kept telling me to turn left and right
every few yards as it attempted to get me on to the road I was
actually on. I bought TomToms first camper GPSr, but it was only a
truck version with a different name. So back to Garmin.

My first Garmin, a GPS-75, bought in 1976, started to hang out of
warranty. Fortunately Garmin replaced it with a refurbished one for
free.

More recently my Garmin GPSMAP 276Cx bricked itself during an update.
I removed the battery to reduce weight and returned only the GPSr.
Within about 4 days, I received a brand new complete package. Now
that's excellent service. So I now have a spare everything, including
the battery.

Garmin however are no longer very good with their Windows/Mac based
software. But I guess the likes of me (collectors of waypoints and
tracks) are now few and far between and this software gets little use.
It's now all about sharing FIT and current location, much loved by
younger folk.

Alan.


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Brent
 

Hi Alan

Thanks for the info - I hadn't looked at it from that angle

Basically they have us screwed each way!!!

Take care ALL


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Brent
 

Hi Carol

Thank you very much for detailed reply

Must admit I've always been a TomTom guy but have read good reports about Garmin

What I don't like about TomTom is they withdraw support far too early - I've got the TomTom 1005 Camper version but have had problems (along with a lot of other owners!!) after TomTom did a supposed upgrade

I realise and appreciate TomTom need to have a turn-over of sales but don't think they do in the correct way - they don't forewarn you of withdrawing support!!

Take care ALL


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Alan Morris
 

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 11:20, Carol Weaver <corconx@gmail.com> wrote:

But of course not been able to use it as stuck in lockdown

Therefore I would wait to buy.
The problem of waiting is that delaying too long will cost more to buy.

Covid and brexit together are causing end - user price increases.

Now that we are not in the EU, manufacturers in the EU now have to
send without charging local VAT. Thus DHL and probably the Post
Office, now has to get from the customer the UK VAT of 20%, before
delivery. Naturally they don't do this for free. So an extra cost.
I know of one EU ham radio manufacturer who will now not deal with UK
local dealers, due to the problems brexit had caused to him.

Buying through companies will eventually see similar increases for the
same reason. UK companies are also seeing more costs due to brexit.
Certain items that I bought within the last year have also gone up by
noticeable amounts.

Then eventually, the costs of Covid as the government will need to
increase taxes. Although VAT is an EU tax, I expect that the biggest
increase in taxation will come through VAT, which the UK government
will keep.

So "Buy Now To Save", should be our slogan!

Alan.


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Carol Weaver
 

Long story - Bought the Garmin 785 I liked it BUT did not work with Mac and after 14 months Garmin agreed a full refund - I had had new lead and a replacement gps but still no good. But 100% after long hassle with them

Decided on Amazon due to my experience if things didn’t work they would refund straightaway. So 

1 Ordered TomTom Camper and had same problems as it now appears they are all using Android system and not considering Mac users

I have to say the problems only come it you want to put your own POIs on. Not everyone does. 

I had to borrow next door’s new cheap JML tablet (she’d not used) to put Garmin Express and POI loader (and remove them afterwards). 

So I wasn’t happy with TomTom so more research and decided to try Garmin 51LMT and  Garmin DriveSmart 65 MT-S 6.95”

In many ways the 51 was good but screen too small. So finally returned TomTom and the 51 to Amazon. Within taking them to send them back nr Padstow the money was refunded by time I got home!!!

But of course not been able to use it as stuck in lockdown 

Therefore I would wait to buy. 

I think if you are a Garmin I think you are likely to prefer them likewise for TomTom

Carol





On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 08:00, Brent <brentiow.c@...> wrote:
Hi Carol

What  did you end up with sat nav wise please?

Best wishes

--
--
Carol WeaverAires photos here|. www.carolweaver.co.uk/Travel
Sign up for SMUGMUG here: https://secure.smugmug.com/signup?Coupon=ETh4Jkg1xE0KE
Plusnet -cardun if you sign up recommend me please and use this link; https://www.plus.net/refer.php?strReferralsUid=190439df75498abb9996f599912e9539a8e2217307e3338783b7c846899424d4


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Brent
 

Thanks for link Ern but I do wonder if lashing out couple of hundred quid is wise at the moment. 
It could be out of guarantee by the time we can use them!!!?
Take care all


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Brent
 

Hi Carol

What  did you end up with sat nav wise please?

Best wishes


Re: TomTom On-Line Deals

Carol Weaver
 

Ernie it appears it can now only be 30 characters long!!!  What use is it now!  They call this progress!!!

Carol

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 08:59, Ernest Bull <ernb32@...> wrote:
For you TomTom fans who can’t wait to remove the Covid clamps to be unlocked: -

Sorry, no tiny link. TinyURL has gone all Bolshy.

ErnB 

--
--
Carol WeaverAires photos here|. www.carolweaver.co.uk/Travel
Sign up for SMUGMUG here: https://secure.smugmug.com/signup?Coupon=ETh4Jkg1xE0KE
Plusnet -cardun if you sign up recommend me please and use this link; https://www.plus.net/refer.php?strReferralsUid=190439df75498abb9996f599912e9539a8e2217307e3338783b7c846899424d4


TomTom On-Line Deals

Ernest Bull
 

For you TomTom fans who can’t wait to remove the Covid clamps to be unlocked: -

Sorry, no tiny link. TinyURL has gone all Bolshy.

ErnB 


Re: Electric scooters

Brent
 

Well I'm totally confused now, thought this thread and Ernb's first post was about these horrible little two wheeled, stand on electric scooters (NOT mobility scooters either) that councils are trialling in certain areas which are totally different beasts to electric bicycles!!!!!
Confused.com


Re: Electric scooters

David Scholes
 

I met one guy in Portugal who reckoned that an ebike was useless for him as he went over 25 kph on his pedal bike. His wife quite liked my wife’s ebike though but he objected because it was so slow.
She did introduce us to Sherry as sold in Jerez though.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 12:11, Peter S <peter@...> wrote:



"Above that standard there’s another: the speed pedelec, or S-pedelec. These bikes have a maximum assisted speed of 45km/h, and more powerful motors. They’re widely available from a range of manufacturers; Riese und Muller offer nearly all their bikes in a HS (High Speed ) build. And this is where it gets really complicated.

The adoption of the S-pedelec in Europe is on a state-by-state basis: there are no overarching EU regulations specifically for these bikes. Anything faster or more powerful than the EN15194 regulations allow technically needs to be type approved as a motor vehicle. There are two standards: L1e-A, for motors up to 1Kw and speeds up to 25km/h, and L1e-B, for motors up to 4Kw and speeds up to 45km/h. I did tell you it was complicated."


It looks to me from this and other sites that in the UK a bike that is capable of going over 25km/h (15mph) is  a motor vehicle and brings with it all the other complications - licence, insurance, road tax, helmet. It matters not that you are riding it at under 25kph.

Peter S

On 13/02/2021 11:39:56, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Hi

I believe that the throttle law only prohibits the sale of ebikes with throttles. When the ban started it was common for people to buy an ebike without a throttle and take it out of the shop and ride it for a few yards then take it back in to have a throttle fitted or fit it yourself. 

There is a similar rule about the 15 mph max speed. Bosch make an ebike which is sold on which the motor continues to drive up to a speed of 40kph. It is sold perfectly legally but if ridden above 25kph it becomes illegal. It is made primarily for the German market where their licensing laws permit it (but not throttles). This is similar to their motorhome licence if which permits over 70s like me to drive motorhome over 3.5 tonnes without medical etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:21, Peter S <peter@...> wrote:


When I bought my ebike, quite a few years ago, it was OK to have a throttle in the UK but not on the continent. The law has now changed but:-

"Harmonisation with EU law has had an important effect on electric bikes with ‘twist and go’ throttles that can take the bike to full speed without any pedalling at all.

From January 1 2016, the only throttles legal within the UK’s EAPC legislation are those that assist the rider without pedalling up to a maximum speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) – i.e. starting assistance only.

If the rider is rolling – but not pedalling – faster than 6km/h, the throttle cuts off. If the cyclist pedals at the same time then the throttle can still assist up to the general limit of 15.5mph.

If you bought an ebike with a full-speed throttle before January 1 2016, don’t panic: those sold prior to this date are still considered as EAPC and do not require a registration or taxed. Practically, you could still buy one a ‘twist and go’ and not be fined, but it would have to have been produced or imported before January 1 2016."

Peter S

On 13/02/2021 09:27:51, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Correction to spell checker

Sorry but escorted should read escooters.


On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:25, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Actually bicycles are subject to lots of regulations that escorted do not comply with eg must have pedals which work, cannot be sold with a throttle attached, lights, reflectors, brakes which cut off motor etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:32, Chris <chris_j_brooks@...> wrote:


Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Electric scooters

Peter S
 

"Above that standard there’s another: the speed pedelec, or S-pedelec. These bikes have a maximum assisted speed of 45km/h, and more powerful motors. They’re widely available from a range of manufacturers; Riese und Muller offer nearly all their bikes in a HS (High Speed ) build. And this is where it gets really complicated.

The adoption of the S-pedelec in Europe is on a state-by-state basis: there are no overarching EU regulations specifically for these bikes. Anything faster or more powerful than the EN15194 regulations allow technically needs to be type approved as a motor vehicle. There are two standards: L1e-A, for motors up to 1Kw and speeds up to 25km/h, and L1e-B, for motors up to 4Kw and speeds up to 45km/h. I did tell you it was complicated."


It looks to me from this and other sites that in the UK a bike that is capable of going over 25km/h (15mph) is  a motor vehicle and brings with it all the other complications - licence, insurance, road tax, helmet. It matters not that you are riding it at under 25kph.

Peter S

On 13/02/2021 11:39:56, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Hi

I believe that the throttle law only prohibits the sale of ebikes with throttles. When the ban started it was common for people to buy an ebike without a throttle and take it out of the shop and ride it for a few yards then take it back in to have a throttle fitted or fit it yourself. 

There is a similar rule about the 15 mph max speed. Bosch make an ebike which is sold on which the motor continues to drive up to a speed of 40kph. It is sold perfectly legally but if ridden above 25kph it becomes illegal. It is made primarily for the German market where their licensing laws permit it (but not throttles). This is similar to their motorhome licence if which permits over 70s like me to drive motorhome over 3.5 tonnes without medical etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:21, Peter S <peter@...> wrote:


When I bought my ebike, quite a few years ago, it was OK to have a throttle in the UK but not on the continent. The law has now changed but:-

"Harmonisation with EU law has had an important effect on electric bikes with ‘twist and go’ throttles that can take the bike to full speed without any pedalling at all.

From January 1 2016, the only throttles legal within the UK’s EAPC legislation are those that assist the rider without pedalling up to a maximum speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) – i.e. starting assistance only.

If the rider is rolling – but not pedalling – faster than 6km/h, the throttle cuts off. If the cyclist pedals at the same time then the throttle can still assist up to the general limit of 15.5mph.

If you bought an ebike with a full-speed throttle before January 1 2016, don’t panic: those sold prior to this date are still considered as EAPC and do not require a registration or taxed. Practically, you could still buy one a ‘twist and go’ and not be fined, but it would have to have been produced or imported before January 1 2016."

Peter S

On 13/02/2021 09:27:51, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Correction to spell checker

Sorry but escorted should read escooters.


On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:25, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Actually bicycles are subject to lots of regulations that escorted do not comply with eg must have pedals which work, cannot be sold with a throttle attached, lights, reflectors, brakes which cut off motor etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:32, Chris <chris_j_brooks@...> wrote:


Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Electric scooters

David Scholes
 

Hi

I believe that the throttle law only prohibits the sale of ebikes with throttles. When the ban started it was common for people to buy an ebike without a throttle and take it out of the shop and ride it for a few yards then take it back in to have a throttle fitted or fit it yourself. 

There is a similar rule about the 15 mph max speed. Bosch make an ebike which is sold on which the motor continues to drive up to a speed of 40kph. It is sold perfectly legally but if ridden above 25kph it becomes illegal. It is made primarily for the German market where their licensing laws permit it (but not throttles). This is similar to their motorhome licence if which permits over 70s like me to drive motorhome over 3.5 tonnes without medical etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:21, Peter S <peter@...> wrote:


When I bought my ebike, quite a few years ago, it was OK to have a throttle in the UK but not on the continent. The law has now changed but:-

"Harmonisation with EU law has had an important effect on electric bikes with ‘twist and go’ throttles that can take the bike to full speed without any pedalling at all.

From January 1 2016, the only throttles legal within the UK’s EAPC legislation are those that assist the rider without pedalling up to a maximum speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) – i.e. starting assistance only.

If the rider is rolling – but not pedalling – faster than 6km/h, the throttle cuts off. If the cyclist pedals at the same time then the throttle can still assist up to the general limit of 15.5mph.

If you bought an ebike with a full-speed throttle before January 1 2016, don’t panic: those sold prior to this date are still considered as EAPC and do not require a registration or taxed. Practically, you could still buy one a ‘twist and go’ and not be fined, but it would have to have been produced or imported before January 1 2016."

Peter S

On 13/02/2021 09:27:51, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Correction to spell checker

Sorry but escorted should read escooters.


On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:25, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Actually bicycles are subject to lots of regulations that escorted do not comply with eg must have pedals which work, cannot be sold with a throttle attached, lights, reflectors, brakes which cut off motor etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:32, Chris <chris_j_brooks@...> wrote:


Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Electric scooters

Peter S
 

When I bought my ebike, quite a few years ago, it was OK to have a throttle in the UK but not on the continent. The law has now changed but:-

"Harmonisation with EU law has had an important effect on electric bikes with ‘twist and go’ throttles that can take the bike to full speed without any pedalling at all.

From January 1 2016, the only throttles legal within the UK’s EAPC legislation are those that assist the rider without pedalling up to a maximum speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) – i.e. starting assistance only.

If the rider is rolling – but not pedalling – faster than 6km/h, the throttle cuts off. If the cyclist pedals at the same time then the throttle can still assist up to the general limit of 15.5mph.

If you bought an ebike with a full-speed throttle before January 1 2016, don’t panic: those sold prior to this date are still considered as EAPC and do not require a registration or taxed. Practically, you could still buy one a ‘twist and go’ and not be fined, but it would have to have been produced or imported before January 1 2016."

Peter S

On 13/02/2021 09:27:51, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Correction to spell checker

Sorry but escorted should read escooters.


On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:25, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Actually bicycles are subject to lots of regulations that escorted do not comply with eg must have pedals which work, cannot be sold with a throttle attached, lights, reflectors, brakes which cut off motor etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:32, Chris <chris_j_brooks@...> wrote:


Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Electric scooters

David Scholes
 

Correction to spell checker

Sorry but escorted should read escooters.


On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:25, David Scholes via groups.io <scholesd@...> wrote:

Actually bicycles are subject to lots of regulations that escorted do not comply with eg must have pedals which work, cannot be sold with a throttle attached, lights, reflectors, brakes which cut off motor etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:32, Chris <chris_j_brooks@...> wrote:


Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris


Re: Electric scooters

David Scholes
 

Actually bicycles are subject to lots of regulations that escorted do not comply with eg must have pedals which work, cannot be sold with a throttle attached, lights, reflectors, brakes which cut off motor etc.

David


On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:32, Chris <chris_j_brooks@...> wrote:


Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris


Re: Electric scooters

Brent
 

Hi Ern
We are blighted with those things over here. They are parked here there and everywhere for hire? Apparently you phone and give your licence details and if all passed you can use one for whatever period of time you've paid.
So how come we see "kids" that look no older than about 10 - 12 years old charging around on them?
They are NOT to be driven on pavements as they can travel up to 15mph!!!!
It's also illegal to own your own and use in public, private land only.
Just waiting to hear of some poor person seriously injured or God forbid killed by one of them.
Rant over I'll get me breakfast now and feel better!!!
Take care and stay safe all.


Re: Electric scooters

Chris
 

Ern,

It is an interesting point, but provide they have 250w or less and limited top speed of 14mph then they would be just like electric bikes, which again don't need insurance or licenses.  However at least are on the road/cycle path and not going to run you down.

Yes, it is best if cyclists get insurance, but very few do as it goes against the view that cycling is a a cheap clean alternative.

Regards
Chris


Re: Electric scooters

Ernest Bull
 

On 23 May 2020, at 21:33, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

 Sure there'll be countless bureaucratic restrictions, not to mention even possible tax costs -
like for licence or registration.

I was just walking back to my place past an old pub. The pavement was two people wide because of scaffolding. An oncoming e-scooter rider almost came a cropper avoiding me and another pedestrian who also chose not to give way. I reached home opened my laptop and up popped this link from the Bristol Live news feed: - https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/man-fined-after-driving-e-4983704? 

The key and very pertinent fact quoted, being: -
“E-scooters are classified as motor vehicles for the purposes of law. As such, if they are used on a road, pavement or public place, they are subject to the same legal requirements as any motor vehicle – i.e. you must have a driving licence and insurance."

"However, at the current time, it isn’t possible to get motor insurance to ride a private e-scooter, so ultimately they aren’t lawful for use anywhere other than on private land. " 

Can’t argue with that. But the question, if the police do have the right to seize the scooters, is; What will they do with them. If they are not legal, then they have no value.
________

ErnB


401 - 420 of 102712