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Re: Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem

Bennett Family
 


The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Society book/film gives an idea of what it was like during the occupation of the Channel Islands. A friend of ours, who is now 93 and still on the island, was a school girl during the occupation and told us lots of stories. Later she worked for Jersey Tourism where she greeted those arriving on the island and sorted out accommodation.  These  regularly included Germans who had been stationed on the island during the war. They tended to bring their families back to see the beautiful island where they had been. They were always very appreciative of the courteous welcome they received.

Although it’s quite expensive on the ferry - you are not going to use much fuel while you are there as it’s only 9x 5 miles, although there is around 500 miles of road. Not that well signed in my day. I remember a guy who was furious having run out of petrol - walked back and eventually found a garage - then it took him 2 hours to find his car and distraught family!

We always had a policy that if ever people phoned the pharmacy from England and asked about the weather - which they invariably did - to tell them it was beautiful regardless as our effort to boost tourism!

Our pharmacy was one of the very few places that was open on a Sunday in those days. In the winter we often had shivering visitors wanting to buy clothing (which we did not sell) - they’d flown in the day before expecting a “south sea isle” and had brought clothing to match.

It was a different world - honey moon couples outside plucking up courage to come in & ask for Durex. I remember one guy who, when asked how many he wanted, replied “Enough for 2 weeks please!” In those days they were stored in a drawer under the counter. One sales assistant always referred to them as “gentlemen’s night wear”.

When living there we had a Hillman Imp Van and used the back to sleep in. We then changed to an Austin Champ Jeep. Later we returned there with a VW Dormobile and then a Ford Motorhome Mk3, both were ok to get around the island as long as you were sensible. If we return with the Carthago Compactline, which is 6.9 x 2.13m, I’d probably hire a small car for at least part of the time. 



The Austin Champ and Hillman Imp Van at Green Island, Jersey


The  VW Dormobile



The Ford Motorhome Mk3

Martin

On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:48, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Oh Martin
You gave us such a laugh over breakfast! We did visit the Tunnels a couple of years ago. It's well done and helps to put things in perspective. However, the most moving memorial we've come across is at the 6,000 year old passage tomb at La Hougue Bie. The Germans had used the top of the mound as a vantage point and built a bunker in the grounds. The bunker has been kept as a memorial to all multi-national group of captured men were brought over to build fortifications and treated worse than animals -their bodies just dumped in the harbour when they died as result of their treatment. Any Jersey natives caught helping them were imprisoned and some taken off the Island and never seen again.
Makes it very hard to look at the Germans benignly even now, for which I apologise to any German reading this.
Derek

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On 22/08/2020, 08:24 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
Derek,

Yes I think it’s free if you attend A&E (emergency care) but you pay privately for GP visits and prescriptions. 

When I was a student myself & a mate went to Jersey on a camping holiday - stayed at a campsite at Quennevais which doesn’t appear to exist any longer. When we arrived we discovered some others on the site that I vaguely knew from university. 
One managed to fall off a wall and severely damage a leg - they loaded him into a car and headed for the hospital following the signs to “German Underground Hospital” where they parked and had to queue to get in! When  they got to the front carrying this guy they were asked to pay - it was a tourist attraction - now renamed “Jersey War Tunnels”!

We knew how to camp in those days - see photo!




Martin

On 22 Aug 2020, at 07:16, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
I had a look at the link and agree with what you say. However, that appears to apply to those taking up residence in Jersey.
Elsewhere on the Jersey States website (not very good at links), there is a section on provision for holidaymakers from the UK and some other agreed countries, with free mutual provision of emergency care, which seems similar to the EHIC. Fortunately, we’ve never had to put it to the test!
Derek

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Derek,

In my day the Jersey partly subsidised system didn’t kick in until you had lived there for 6 months, when you could claim back a proportion of your GP & prescription costs. It looks as if it is still the same. 


Martin


On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:31, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
Thanks for the additional info. Is there not some reciprocal healthcare agreement for UK visitors, similar to the EHIC?
Yes, I think the Hideaway Stopover is open all year, although I'm not sure what happens when Dave & Carolyn go down to Spain (He's a keen windsurfer). Probably one of the family members carries out the minmal maintenance that's required.
Glad you liked the piece.
Derek

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On 18/08/2020, 06:43 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
Derek,

Thanks - very informative. 

Made me wonder why I returned.

Is the Aire open all year?  That’s a reason why I’ve not been back recently as the campsites tend to close in the September except Daisy Cottage - have you been to that one?

Might be worth adding that the NHS doesn’t operate there, so unless it has changed, you will have to pay for treatment, hence health insurance would be a wise move. 

Roseville Pharmacy in St Helier, where I worked in 1970/71 is open until 9.30pm. I understand they are still waiting for the blue plaque to be erected ;-)

Martin 



On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:34, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Well, I see from the bulging mailbags we have a letter from a Mrs Trellis, so here for her is my impression of Jersey, with apologies to those, like Martin, who have lived here and know it properly.

My first impression were formed from a 3 day post-Easter visit 30 years ago with my younger son Ben, 13 at the time, courtesy of two free tickets from Brymon Airways after I agreed to formally complain about one of their pilots that i got busted from a flight after he’d tried to queue-jump checkout at our hotel, abused the receptionist and stank of drink.

We came over hoping to surf, but as it was flat we visited the Durrell Endangered Species Zoo, hired mountain bikes and rode all around the Island. The visit clearly left a strong impression on Ben because when in 2013 HSBC offered him a place here he and his girlfriend (now wife) jumped at the chance and are now hoping they can survive the remaining three years which will enable them to buy a rabbit hutch to live in. (Nice houses start at £1M and prices are similar to Knightsbridge, but a shack on Paradise Island is still on Paradise Island!)

Our impressions have mainly been formed from a further eight visits we’ve made, all since they moved here, mostly of two weeks duration but including a couple of day trips. So here goes:

THE ISLAND

Jersey is the largest and most Southerly of the five main Channel Islands and sits alongside the Cotentin Peninsula of France, about 100 miles from the English Coast and about 25 miles from St Malo, so it enjoys a very benign climate, more French than British.

So why aren’t the Channel Islands French? Well, they were and they’re still full of French place and street names, the pronunciation of which is horribly (possibly deliberately) butchered by the natives. The main department store in St. Helier is Voisins (Neighbours), but if you were to ask for directions to it the response would be, “Oh, you mean Voyzins!”

We can thank The Duc de Normandie, aka William the Bastard, aka William the Conqueror. in 1066, when he invaded Britain, he retained his French territory, i.e Normandy, including the Channel Islands. When Normandy reverted to the French, The Channel Islanders decided to remain British and have done ever since, despite about three attempts by the French to retake them and the infamous occupation by the Nazis for five years during WW2.  It still hurts the Islanders to know that Britain “abandoned” and they were the only part of the British Isles to be conquered by Nazi Germany and they deliberately retain a lot of the German fortifications as a reminder. Their biggest day of the year is Liberation Day.

The Channel Islands are part of the British Isles but not of the UK. They’re a British Protectorate (ironical term bearing in mind WW2). They’re not, and never have been, in the EU. They make their own laws and have their own taxation system. Their equivalent to our 20% VAT is GST (Goods and Service Tax), currently at 6%. This can give a price advantage, but not always, as sales volumes are lower and duty could be charged on re-entering the UK with a new item.

Jersey is only 9 miles west to east and 5 miles north to south, but packs in a huge variety in that area. It’s divided into parishes, with St. Helier in the east having the one main town and St Peter’s, towards the west, having the airport. It generally preserves an unhurried atmosphere, partly because the maximum speed limit is 40mph, with many of the roads restricted to 30mph and some down to 15mph. It’s not a place to comfortably drive a large motorhome, especially as many roads have walls and no pavements at the edges. We were nervous in our 6.65m A-Class on all but the few main roads, but we happily go anywhere in our 5.45m Hymervan. A number of the residents have larger Autotrails bu they tend to holiday in France. RVs would not be allowed. Even the buses are built specially narrow and caravans can only be towed from ferry to site and back. We were escorted to our site behind a caravan on our first visit. When we arrived the driver was white and our mirror had been flipped in by a wall!

JERSEY ATTRACTIONS.

If you like beach life, this is the place for you with a huge variety from the massive European Class surfing beach of St Ouen’s in the west, through to tiny coves that disappear at high tide, small harbours with good swimming and sand when the tide goes out and including the swish St Brelades which vies with Woolacombe on Trip Advisor to be in the European top three. Apart from St Brelades, which makes a reasonable parking charge, parking is free at most of the beaches, which helps offset the ferry fare, when you think Woolacombe parking is now £10 per day.

As far as other attractions are concerned, if you like to shop, St Helier has a nice relaxed atmosphere with a lot of pedestrianisation, perhaps reminiscent of somewhere like Deauville or La  Rochelle. For walkers there are lots of footpaths and a complete coastal footpath, some of which we walked today. There’s at least one golf course and even a horse racing track, which we parked by for our walk. The low traffic speeds make it great for cycling and there are apparently 200 miles of green lanes, all restricted to 15mph, although cars can use them. 

There are two theatres and a cinema, currently closed but shortly to re-open as the restrictions ease further. last years summer entertainment guide showed something on almost every night.
Of course it’s home to many monied people, so there are eating places from the sublime to the cor blimey. Plenty of parks and gardens too, but still a surprising amount of countryside and a lovely new bird reserve at the back of St Ouen’s. No mountains but some hills to challenge walkers and cyclists, with some sheer cliffs and stacks for mad climbers. There is also the lovely Durrell Zoo and a selection of castles, museums and occupation sites, plus a 6000 year-old passage grave, La Hougue Bie, almost identical to Newgrange in Ireland

WHERE TO STAY

You will not be allowed in without a Motorhome Permit and that is only issued when you’re booked into an official camp site, even if you’re coming to see relatives or friends that could accommodate your van at their premises. There are two full-facility family Sites, Rozel in the N.E and Beuvelande in the E. I prefer the atmosphere at Rozel but Bevelande is affiliated to the CCC which hosts an annual rally there and can offer good discounts, (they can also get you over £100 off Condor Ferry Fares but not at present as they’re all furloughed and you can’t book the CI ferries on their website although it says you can. Believe me, I tried every possible way). There appears now to be some limited camping at the Durrell Centre but that’s probably associated with courses there, and there was a small “alternative” site called Daisy Cottage near St Ouen’s beach but I’m told that’s been taken over and re-opened under another name. At present it doesn’t seem possible to book any of the conventional sites, although in the last few days we’ve seen a couple of UK vans and they’re not where we are so perhaps things are changing.

However, about 5 years ago a Jersey couple, Dave and Carolyn Huelin, who are keen motorhomers, got permission to open a 5 van site, in the style of a french aire, just off the road to the airport, about a minute’s drive from the coast road from St Helier to St Aubyns. It’s in a valley so it loses the sun early, but it’s only a few minutes walk down to the sea and an easy drive to most places on the island. The five pitches are super-sized, on hard-core with gravel, so it can get dusty in a dry spell, but the landscaping around it is now maturing nicely. Although you can hear the traffic on the road above it’s not intrusive and is very quiet at night. There is an adjacent plant for recycling concrete, which is why it’s an adults only site, but it’s not generally noisy and doesn’t operate early mornings, evenings or weekends, in fact this is the first year we’ve heard it at all. Each pitch has a hook-up (20A apart from ours, which is 30A, but I don’t think they know!}
There are three fresh water points between the five pitches (Borehole, it says not drinking biut it’s perfectly OK) and one at the service point, which has a drive-over drain and very clean toilet disposal point. They also have MH storage adjacent so they occasionally use the service point, but it’s free most of the time.

You’ll find details of the site on UK Campsites (Including pictures of our previous van as we were almost their first customers, but it will say the site’s unavailable to book this year. We only got on because we contacted them direct and they know us, but they would be happy to accept bookings if you  mention my name (no money will change hands, I assure you :-( They can be contacted direct on 01534 759082, or text Carolyn on 07797 758919. Phone rates to Jersey are not cheap, although it is now a feel-at-home destination for Three.

GETTING THERE AND BACK

Condor has the monopoly I’m afraid, and their ferries are not cheap, although it is a hundred mile crossing, so perhaps not too bad. There is a fast service from Poole (4 hours) and a slightly cheaper slow ferry (10 hours) from Portsmouth, which can be pleasant cruise out. It’s always a day crossing but the return is always overnight. With the CCC out of operation it’s best to book direct on the Condor website. It works quite well in showing the cheapest crossing over a range of dates. If your van is more than 7m you’ll have to phone them, but they do take larger vans.

Any questions, please ask, I’m off to bed now (1.30am)

Stay sane. E&OE

Derek




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On 17/08/2020 at 15:33, Peter S wrote:

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Thanks Derek.

Please do write your piece. I do a Newsletter and for the last issue I was surprised at how well my absolute drivel went down - actually got some thank you emails for a change and most of the newsletter was nothing to do with our real activity. I am sure your article will not be drivel but will give those of us who have never been to the CI encouragement to go.

Regards.

Peter S

On 17/08/2020 14:23:39, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Hello all

Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?

Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.

Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.

Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.

I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.

If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.

All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.

Derek

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Derek Sims
 

Oh Martin
You gave us such a laugh over breakfast! We did visit the Tunnels a couple of years ago. It's well done and helps to put things in perspective. However, the most moving memorial we've come across is at the 6,000 year old passage tomb at La Hougue Bie. The Germans had used the top of the mound as a vantage point and built a bunker in the grounds. The bunker has been kept as a memorial to all multi-national group of captured men were brought over to build fortifications and treated worse than animals -their bodies just dumped in the harbour when they died as result of their treatment. Any Jersey natives caught helping them were imprisoned and some taken off the Island and never seen again.
Makes it very hard to look at the Germans benignly even now, for which I apologise to any German reading this.
Derek

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On 22/08/2020, 08:24 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
Derek,

Yes I think it’s free if you attend A&E (emergency care) but you pay privately for GP visits and prescriptions. 

When I was a student myself & a mate went to Jersey on a camping holiday - stayed at a campsite at Quennevais which doesn’t appear to exist any longer. When we arrived we discovered some others on the site that I vaguely knew from university. 
One managed to fall off a wall and severely damage a leg - they loaded him into a car and headed for the hospital following the signs to “German Underground Hospital” where they parked and had to queue to get in! When  they got to the front carrying this guy they were asked to pay - it was a tourist attraction - now renamed “Jersey War Tunnels”!

We knew how to camp in those days - see photo!




Martin

On 22 Aug 2020, at 07:16, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
I had a look at the link and agree with what you say. However, that appears to apply to those taking up residence in Jersey.
Elsewhere on the Jersey States website (not very good at links), there is a section on provision for holidaymakers from the UK and some other agreed countries, with free mutual provision of emergency care, which seems similar to the EHIC. Fortunately, we’ve never had to put it to the test!
Derek

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On 18/08/2020 at 09:07, Bennett Family via groups.io wrote:

From: "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...>
Date: 18 August 2020
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Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem
Derek,

In my day the Jersey partly subsidised system didn’t kick in until you had lived there for 6 months, when you could claim back a proportion of your GP & prescription costs. It looks as if it is still the same. 


Martin


On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:31, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
Thanks for the additional info. Is there not some reciprocal healthcare agreement for UK visitors, similar to the EHIC?
Yes, I think the Hideaway Stopover is open all year, although I'm not sure what happens when Dave & Carolyn go down to Spain (He's a keen windsurfer). Probably one of the family members carries out the minmal maintenance that's required.
Glad you liked the piece.
Derek

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On 18/08/2020, 06:43 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
Derek,

Thanks - very informative. 

Made me wonder why I returned.

Is the Aire open all year?  That’s a reason why I’ve not been back recently as the campsites tend to close in the September except Daisy Cottage - have you been to that one?

Might be worth adding that the NHS doesn’t operate there, so unless it has changed, you will have to pay for treatment, hence health insurance would be a wise move. 

Roseville Pharmacy in St Helier, where I worked in 1970/71 is open until 9.30pm. I understand they are still waiting for the blue plaque to be erected ;-)

Martin 



On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:34, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Well, I see from the bulging mailbags we have a letter from a Mrs Trellis, so here for her is my impression of Jersey, with apologies to those, like Martin, who have lived here and know it properly.

My first impression were formed from a 3 day post-Easter visit 30 years ago with my younger son Ben, 13 at the time, courtesy of two free tickets from Brymon Airways after I agreed to formally complain about one of their pilots that i got busted from a flight after he’d tried to queue-jump checkout at our hotel, abused the receptionist and stank of drink.

We came over hoping to surf, but as it was flat we visited the Durrell Endangered Species Zoo, hired mountain bikes and rode all around the Island. The visit clearly left a strong impression on Ben because when in 2013 HSBC offered him a place here he and his girlfriend (now wife) jumped at the chance and are now hoping they can survive the remaining three years which will enable them to buy a rabbit hutch to live in. (Nice houses start at £1M and prices are similar to Knightsbridge, but a shack on Paradise Island is still on Paradise Island!)

Our impressions have mainly been formed from a further eight visits we’ve made, all since they moved here, mostly of two weeks duration but including a couple of day trips. So here goes:

THE ISLAND

Jersey is the largest and most Southerly of the five main Channel Islands and sits alongside the Cotentin Peninsula of France, about 100 miles from the English Coast and about 25 miles from St Malo, so it enjoys a very benign climate, more French than British.

So why aren’t the Channel Islands French? Well, they were and they’re still full of French place and street names, the pronunciation of which is horribly (possibly deliberately) butchered by the natives. The main department store in St. Helier is Voisins (Neighbours), but if you were to ask for directions to it the response would be, “Oh, you mean Voyzins!”

We can thank The Duc de Normandie, aka William the Bastard, aka William the Conqueror. in 1066, when he invaded Britain, he retained his French territory, i.e Normandy, including the Channel Islands. When Normandy reverted to the French, The Channel Islanders decided to remain British and have done ever since, despite about three attempts by the French to retake them and the infamous occupation by the Nazis for five years during WW2.  It still hurts the Islanders to know that Britain “abandoned” and they were the only part of the British Isles to be conquered by Nazi Germany and they deliberately retain a lot of the German fortifications as a reminder. Their biggest day of the year is Liberation Day.

The Channel Islands are part of the British Isles but not of the UK. They’re a British Protectorate (ironical term bearing in mind WW2). They’re not, and never have been, in the EU. They make their own laws and have their own taxation system. Their equivalent to our 20% VAT is GST (Goods and Service Tax), currently at 6%. This can give a price advantage, but not always, as sales volumes are lower and duty could be charged on re-entering the UK with a new item.

Jersey is only 9 miles west to east and 5 miles north to south, but packs in a huge variety in that area. It’s divided into parishes, with St. Helier in the east having the one main town and St Peter’s, towards the west, having the airport. It generally preserves an unhurried atmosphere, partly because the maximum speed limit is 40mph, with many of the roads restricted to 30mph and some down to 15mph. It’s not a place to comfortably drive a large motorhome, especially as many roads have walls and no pavements at the edges. We were nervous in our 6.65m A-Class on all but the few main roads, but we happily go anywhere in our 5.45m Hymervan. A number of the residents have larger Autotrails bu they tend to holiday in France. RVs would not be allowed. Even the buses are built specially narrow and caravans can only be towed from ferry to site and back. We were escorted to our site behind a caravan on our first visit. When we arrived the driver was white and our mirror had been flipped in by a wall!

JERSEY ATTRACTIONS.

If you like beach life, this is the place for you with a huge variety from the massive European Class surfing beach of St Ouen’s in the west, through to tiny coves that disappear at high tide, small harbours with good swimming and sand when the tide goes out and including the swish St Brelades which vies with Woolacombe on Trip Advisor to be in the European top three. Apart from St Brelades, which makes a reasonable parking charge, parking is free at most of the beaches, which helps offset the ferry fare, when you think Woolacombe parking is now £10 per day.

As far as other attractions are concerned, if you like to shop, St Helier has a nice relaxed atmosphere with a lot of pedestrianisation, perhaps reminiscent of somewhere like Deauville or La  Rochelle. For walkers there are lots of footpaths and a complete coastal footpath, some of which we walked today. There’s at least one golf course and even a horse racing track, which we parked by for our walk. The low traffic speeds make it great for cycling and there are apparently 200 miles of green lanes, all restricted to 15mph, although cars can use them. 

There are two theatres and a cinema, currently closed but shortly to re-open as the restrictions ease further. last years summer entertainment guide showed something on almost every night.
Of course it’s home to many monied people, so there are eating places from the sublime to the cor blimey. Plenty of parks and gardens too, but still a surprising amount of countryside and a lovely new bird reserve at the back of St Ouen’s. No mountains but some hills to challenge walkers and cyclists, with some sheer cliffs and stacks for mad climbers. There is also the lovely Durrell Zoo and a selection of castles, museums and occupation sites, plus a 6000 year-old passage grave, La Hougue Bie, almost identical to Newgrange in Ireland

WHERE TO STAY

You will not be allowed in without a Motorhome Permit and that is only issued when you’re booked into an official camp site, even if you’re coming to see relatives or friends that could accommodate your van at their premises. There are two full-facility family Sites, Rozel in the N.E and Beuvelande in the E. I prefer the atmosphere at Rozel but Bevelande is affiliated to the CCC which hosts an annual rally there and can offer good discounts, (they can also get you over £100 off Condor Ferry Fares but not at present as they’re all furloughed and you can’t book the CI ferries on their website although it says you can. Believe me, I tried every possible way). There appears now to be some limited camping at the Durrell Centre but that’s probably associated with courses there, and there was a small “alternative” site called Daisy Cottage near St Ouen’s beach but I’m told that’s been taken over and re-opened under another name. At present it doesn’t seem possible to book any of the conventional sites, although in the last few days we’ve seen a couple of UK vans and they’re not where we are so perhaps things are changing.

However, about 5 years ago a Jersey couple, Dave and Carolyn Huelin, who are keen motorhomers, got permission to open a 5 van site, in the style of a french aire, just off the road to the airport, about a minute’s drive from the coast road from St Helier to St Aubyns. It’s in a valley so it loses the sun early, but it’s only a few minutes walk down to the sea and an easy drive to most places on the island. The five pitches are super-sized, on hard-core with gravel, so it can get dusty in a dry spell, but the landscaping around it is now maturing nicely. Although you can hear the traffic on the road above it’s not intrusive and is very quiet at night. There is an adjacent plant for recycling concrete, which is why it’s an adults only site, but it’s not generally noisy and doesn’t operate early mornings, evenings or weekends, in fact this is the first year we’ve heard it at all. Each pitch has a hook-up (20A apart from ours, which is 30A, but I don’t think they know!}
There are three fresh water points between the five pitches (Borehole, it says not drinking biut it’s perfectly OK) and one at the service point, which has a drive-over drain and very clean toilet disposal point. They also have MH storage adjacent so they occasionally use the service point, but it’s free most of the time.

You’ll find details of the site on UK Campsites (Including pictures of our previous van as we were almost their first customers, but it will say the site’s unavailable to book this year. We only got on because we contacted them direct and they know us, but they would be happy to accept bookings if you  mention my name (no money will change hands, I assure you :-( They can be contacted direct on 01534 759082, or text Carolyn on 07797 758919. Phone rates to Jersey are not cheap, although it is now a feel-at-home destination for Three.

GETTING THERE AND BACK

Condor has the monopoly I’m afraid, and their ferries are not cheap, although it is a hundred mile crossing, so perhaps not too bad. There is a fast service from Poole (4 hours) and a slightly cheaper slow ferry (10 hours) from Portsmouth, which can be pleasant cruise out. It’s always a day crossing but the return is always overnight. With the CCC out of operation it’s best to book direct on the Condor website. It works quite well in showing the cheapest crossing over a range of dates. If your van is more than 7m you’ll have to phone them, but they do take larger vans.

Any questions, please ask, I’m off to bed now (1.30am)

Stay sane. E&OE

Derek




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On 17/08/2020 at 15:33, Peter S wrote:

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Date: 17 August 2020
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Thanks Derek.

Please do write your piece. I do a Newsletter and for the last issue I was surprised at how well my absolute drivel went down - actually got some thank you emails for a change and most of the newsletter was nothing to do with our real activity. I am sure your article will not be drivel but will give those of us who have never been to the CI encouragement to go.

Regards.

Peter S

On 17/08/2020 14:23:39, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Hello all

Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?

Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.

Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.

Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.

I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.

If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.

All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.

Derek

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Too much hassle Carol, and too much uncertainty. Also don't shop with Tesco any more!
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On 22/08/2020, 07:51 Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
Comfort will not cover driving in France nor breakdown due to FO only essential journeys. 

Could you not return uk and go via tunnel?

Carol

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Hi Carol
I assume mean traveling non-stop through France to the German Border. That wouldn’t really have thought that practical from arriving in St Malo at 10pm their time. Also, although Comfort may have covered us for driving In France, our Nationwide Travel Insurance probably wouldn’t and that includes our breakdown cover.

When we planned this trip, we agreed we’d be happy to be one national boundary away from the UK, but not more. A Life Without Hassle is our motto now we’re both in our seventies.

Stay Sane

Derek

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It would be good to read Derek





Incidentally I have checked with Comfort and have in writing that if we drive direct to Germany our insurance is valid. A short 4 hr drive to Aachen will do. We were heading to Germany anyway so we still ate unless TO change rules for there!!! 🤞🤞🤞





Just a thought fir you as you could travel up to Sweden?  





Whatever you do enjoy it and hug to Tish too please 😘











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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 15:10, Mike via groups.io <mike.egff=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:




Derek, Welsh Border Guards duly warned of your impending presence. Don't believe half of what the "ney sayers" talk about Wales 😉



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Hello all



Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?



Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.



Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.



Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.



I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.



If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short  piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.



All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.



Derek



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Re: Henley postcard

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On 12 Aug 2020, at 13:14, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

I just don't cope well with living in an oven, setting 33C for slow cook in all daylight hours.

I texted my son and his family holidaying on Crete where, the forecast said, it was sunny and cool in the mid 20s, to ell him how envious we were. 
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ErnB


Re: Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem

Bennett Family
 

Derek,

Yes I think it’s free if you attend A&E (emergency care) but you pay privately for GP visits and prescriptions. 

When I was a student myself & a mate went to Jersey on a camping holiday - stayed at a campsite at Quennevais which doesn’t appear to exist any longer. When we arrived we discovered some others on the site that I vaguely knew from university. 
One managed to fall off a wall and severely damage a leg - they loaded him into a car and headed for the hospital following the signs to “German Underground Hospital” where they parked and had to queue to get in! When  they got to the front carrying this guy they were asked to pay - it was a tourist attraction - now renamed “Jersey War Tunnels”!

We knew how to camp in those days - see photo!




Martin

On 22 Aug 2020, at 07:16, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
I had a look at the link and agree with what you say. However, that appears to apply to those taking up residence in Jersey.
Elsewhere on the Jersey States website (not very good at links), there is a section on provision for holidaymakers from the UK and some other agreed countries, with free mutual provision of emergency care, which seems similar to the EHIC. Fortunately, we’ve never had to put it to the test!
Derek

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On 18/08/2020 at 09:07, Bennett Family via groups.io wrote:

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Derek,

In my day the Jersey partly subsidised system didn’t kick in until you had lived there for 6 months, when you could claim back a proportion of your GP & prescription costs. It looks as if it is still the same. 


Martin


On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:31, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
Thanks for the additional info. Is there not some reciprocal healthcare agreement for UK visitors, similar to the EHIC?
Yes, I think the Hideaway Stopover is open all year, although I'm not sure what happens when Dave & Carolyn go down to Spain (He's a keen windsurfer). Probably one of the family members carries out the minmal maintenance that's required.
Glad you liked the piece.
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On 18/08/2020, 06:43 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
Derek,

Thanks - very informative. 

Made me wonder why I returned.

Is the Aire open all year?  That’s a reason why I’ve not been back recently as the campsites tend to close in the September except Daisy Cottage - have you been to that one?

Might be worth adding that the NHS doesn’t operate there, so unless it has changed, you will have to pay for treatment, hence health insurance would be a wise move. 

Roseville Pharmacy in St Helier, where I worked in 1970/71 is open until 9.30pm. I understand they are still waiting for the blue plaque to be erected ;-)

Martin 



On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:34, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Well, I see from the bulging mailbags we have a letter from a Mrs Trellis, so here for her is my impression of Jersey, with apologies to those, like Martin, who have lived here and know it properly.

My first impression were formed from a 3 day post-Easter visit 30 years ago with my younger son Ben, 13 at the time, courtesy of two free tickets from Brymon Airways after I agreed to formally complain about one of their pilots that i got busted from a flight after he’d tried to queue-jump checkout at our hotel, abused the receptionist and stank of drink.

We came over hoping to surf, but as it was flat we visited the Durrell Endangered Species Zoo, hired mountain bikes and rode all around the Island. The visit clearly left a strong impression on Ben because when in 2013 HSBC offered him a place here he and his girlfriend (now wife) jumped at the chance and are now hoping they can survive the remaining three years which will enable them to buy a rabbit hutch to live in. (Nice houses start at £1M and prices are similar to Knightsbridge, but a shack on Paradise Island is still on Paradise Island!)

Our impressions have mainly been formed from a further eight visits we’ve made, all since they moved here, mostly of two weeks duration but including a couple of day trips. So here goes:

THE ISLAND

Jersey is the largest and most Southerly of the five main Channel Islands and sits alongside the Cotentin Peninsula of France, about 100 miles from the English Coast and about 25 miles from St Malo, so it enjoys a very benign climate, more French than British.

So why aren’t the Channel Islands French? Well, they were and they’re still full of French place and street names, the pronunciation of which is horribly (possibly deliberately) butchered by the natives. The main department store in St. Helier is Voisins (Neighbours), but if you were to ask for directions to it the response would be, “Oh, you mean Voyzins!”

We can thank The Duc de Normandie, aka William the Bastard, aka William the Conqueror. in 1066, when he invaded Britain, he retained his French territory, i.e Normandy, including the Channel Islands. When Normandy reverted to the French, The Channel Islanders decided to remain British and have done ever since, despite about three attempts by the French to retake them and the infamous occupation by the Nazis for five years during WW2.  It still hurts the Islanders to know that Britain “abandoned” and they were the only part of the British Isles to be conquered by Nazi Germany and they deliberately retain a lot of the German fortifications as a reminder. Their biggest day of the year is Liberation Day.

The Channel Islands are part of the British Isles but not of the UK. They’re a British Protectorate (ironical term bearing in mind WW2). They’re not, and never have been, in the EU. They make their own laws and have their own taxation system. Their equivalent to our 20% VAT is GST (Goods and Service Tax), currently at 6%. This can give a price advantage, but not always, as sales volumes are lower and duty could be charged on re-entering the UK with a new item.

Jersey is only 9 miles west to east and 5 miles north to south, but packs in a huge variety in that area. It’s divided into parishes, with St. Helier in the east having the one main town and St Peter’s, towards the west, having the airport. It generally preserves an unhurried atmosphere, partly because the maximum speed limit is 40mph, with many of the roads restricted to 30mph and some down to 15mph. It’s not a place to comfortably drive a large motorhome, especially as many roads have walls and no pavements at the edges. We were nervous in our 6.65m A-Class on all but the few main roads, but we happily go anywhere in our 5.45m Hymervan. A number of the residents have larger Autotrails bu they tend to holiday in France. RVs would not be allowed. Even the buses are built specially narrow and caravans can only be towed from ferry to site and back. We were escorted to our site behind a caravan on our first visit. When we arrived the driver was white and our mirror had been flipped in by a wall!

JERSEY ATTRACTIONS.

If you like beach life, this is the place for you with a huge variety from the massive European Class surfing beach of St Ouen’s in the west, through to tiny coves that disappear at high tide, small harbours with good swimming and sand when the tide goes out and including the swish St Brelades which vies with Woolacombe on Trip Advisor to be in the European top three. Apart from St Brelades, which makes a reasonable parking charge, parking is free at most of the beaches, which helps offset the ferry fare, when you think Woolacombe parking is now £10 per day.

As far as other attractions are concerned, if you like to shop, St Helier has a nice relaxed atmosphere with a lot of pedestrianisation, perhaps reminiscent of somewhere like Deauville or La  Rochelle. For walkers there are lots of footpaths and a complete coastal footpath, some of which we walked today. There’s at least one golf course and even a horse racing track, which we parked by for our walk. The low traffic speeds make it great for cycling and there are apparently 200 miles of green lanes, all restricted to 15mph, although cars can use them. 

There are two theatres and a cinema, currently closed but shortly to re-open as the restrictions ease further. last years summer entertainment guide showed something on almost every night.
Of course it’s home to many monied people, so there are eating places from the sublime to the cor blimey. Plenty of parks and gardens too, but still a surprising amount of countryside and a lovely new bird reserve at the back of St Ouen’s. No mountains but some hills to challenge walkers and cyclists, with some sheer cliffs and stacks for mad climbers. There is also the lovely Durrell Zoo and a selection of castles, museums and occupation sites, plus a 6000 year-old passage grave, La Hougue Bie, almost identical to Newgrange in Ireland

WHERE TO STAY

You will not be allowed in without a Motorhome Permit and that is only issued when you’re booked into an official camp site, even if you’re coming to see relatives or friends that could accommodate your van at their premises. There are two full-facility family Sites, Rozel in the N.E and Beuvelande in the E. I prefer the atmosphere at Rozel but Bevelande is affiliated to the CCC which hosts an annual rally there and can offer good discounts, (they can also get you over £100 off Condor Ferry Fares but not at present as they’re all furloughed and you can’t book the CI ferries on their website although it says you can. Believe me, I tried every possible way). There appears now to be some limited camping at the Durrell Centre but that’s probably associated with courses there, and there was a small “alternative” site called Daisy Cottage near St Ouen’s beach but I’m told that’s been taken over and re-opened under another name. At present it doesn’t seem possible to book any of the conventional sites, although in the last few days we’ve seen a couple of UK vans and they’re not where we are so perhaps things are changing.

However, about 5 years ago a Jersey couple, Dave and Carolyn Huelin, who are keen motorhomers, got permission to open a 5 van site, in the style of a french aire, just off the road to the airport, about a minute’s drive from the coast road from St Helier to St Aubyns. It’s in a valley so it loses the sun early, but it’s only a few minutes walk down to the sea and an easy drive to most places on the island. The five pitches are super-sized, on hard-core with gravel, so it can get dusty in a dry spell, but the landscaping around it is now maturing nicely. Although you can hear the traffic on the road above it’s not intrusive and is very quiet at night. There is an adjacent plant for recycling concrete, which is why it’s an adults only site, but it’s not generally noisy and doesn’t operate early mornings, evenings or weekends, in fact this is the first year we’ve heard it at all. Each pitch has a hook-up (20A apart from ours, which is 30A, but I don’t think they know!}
There are three fresh water points between the five pitches (Borehole, it says not drinking biut it’s perfectly OK) and one at the service point, which has a drive-over drain and very clean toilet disposal point. They also have MH storage adjacent so they occasionally use the service point, but it’s free most of the time.

You’ll find details of the site on UK Campsites (Including pictures of our previous van as we were almost their first customers, but it will say the site’s unavailable to book this year. We only got on because we contacted them direct and they know us, but they would be happy to accept bookings if you  mention my name (no money will change hands, I assure you :-( They can be contacted direct on 01534 759082, or text Carolyn on 07797 758919. Phone rates to Jersey are not cheap, although it is now a feel-at-home destination for Three.

GETTING THERE AND BACK

Condor has the monopoly I’m afraid, and their ferries are not cheap, although it is a hundred mile crossing, so perhaps not too bad. There is a fast service from Poole (4 hours) and a slightly cheaper slow ferry (10 hours) from Portsmouth, which can be pleasant cruise out. It’s always a day crossing but the return is always overnight. With the CCC out of operation it’s best to book direct on the Condor website. It works quite well in showing the cheapest crossing over a range of dates. If your van is more than 7m you’ll have to phone them, but they do take larger vans.

Any questions, please ask, I’m off to bed now (1.30am)

Stay sane. E&OE

Derek




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On 17/08/2020 at 15:33, Peter S wrote:

From: "Peter S" <peter@...>
Date: 17 August 2020
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Thanks Derek.

Please do write your piece. I do a Newsletter and for the last issue I was surprised at how well my absolute drivel went down - actually got some thank you emails for a change and most of the newsletter was nothing to do with our real activity. I am sure your article will not be drivel but will give those of us who have never been to the CI encouragement to go.

Regards.

Peter S

On 17/08/2020 14:23:39, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Hello all

Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?

Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.

Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.

Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.

I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.

If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.

All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.

Derek

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Re: Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem

Carol Weaver
 

Comfort will not cover driving in France nor breakdown due to FO only essential journeys. 

Could you not return uk and go via tunnel?

Carol

On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 07:30, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:












Hi Carol
I assume mean traveling non-stop through France to the German Border. That wouldn’t really have thought that practical from arriving in St Malo at 10pm their time. Also, although Comfort may have covered us for driving In France, our Nationwide Travel Insurance probably wouldn’t and that includes our breakdown cover.

When we planned this trip, we agreed we’d be happy to be one national boundary away from the UK, but not more. A Life Without Hassle is our motto now we’re both in our seventies.

Stay Sane

Derek

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It would be good to read Derek





Incidentally I have checked with Comfort and have in writing that if we drive direct to Germany our insurance is valid. A short 4 hr drive to Aachen will do. We were heading to Germany anyway so we still ate unless TO change rules for there!!! 🤞🤞🤞





Just a thought fir you as you could travel up to Sweden?  





Whatever you do enjoy it and hug to Tish too please 😘











Carol







On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 15:10, Mike via groups.io <mike.egff=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:




Derek, Welsh Border Guards duly warned of your impending presence. Don't believe half of what the "ney sayers" talk about Wales 😉



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Hello all



Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?



Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.



Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.



Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.



I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.



If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short  piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.



All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.



Derek



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Re: Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem

Derek Sims
 

Hi Ernie
It’s great that you’re still on the List. You were the ace raconteur. I still remember reading your account of buying your motorhome in 2003. We were on tenterhooks waiting for the next episode, as I think were most of the list members. I still recall you describing how you abandoned  your original choice of Hymer, because you and Margaret had to do an excuse me dance to pass each other in the kitchen. 

From what I know of your love of France, I’m sure you would love Jersey. It feels as if it should be French and we’re all invaders, including the residents. Just like the Isle of Wight. Now wouldn’t it be good if that were French. Imagine the Booze Cruises! Would you like to be the Ambassador, Brent😁?

Seriously Ernie, I think you should consider bringing your car over, then B&B. Much cheaper than our neighbours here at,effectively, £160 a night, and no problem on the roads.

Ah, Tish is awake so I’d better make le cafe

Stay Sane

Dere

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On 17 Aug 2020, at 14:19, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here….

It looks like you have hit the jackpot, MH-wise, Derek. I wasn’t missing my Tramp one little bit until I read your Jersey Jaunt. Nice style, too. Have you done much writing?

Mind you, I always felt ripped-off when camping in the UK and there’s not room enough for you all on Jersey.
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Re: Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem

Derek Sims
 

Hi Carol
I assume mean traveling non-stop through France to the German Border. That wouldn’t really have thought that practical from arriving in St Malo at 10pm their time. Also, although Comfort may have covered us for driving In France, our Nationwide Travel Insurance probably wouldn’t and that includes our breakdown cover.

When we planned this trip, we agreed we’d be happy to be one national boundary away from the UK, but not more. A Life Without Hassle is our motto now we’re both in our seventies.

Stay Sane

Derek

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On 17/08/2020 at 16:38, Carol Weaver wrote:

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Date: 17 August 2020
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It would be good to read Derek

Incidentally I have checked with Comfort and have in writing that if we drive direct to Germany our insurance is valid. A short 4 hr drive to Aachen will do. We were heading to Germany anyway so we still ate unless TO change rules for there!!! 🤞🤞🤞

Just a thought fir you as you could travel up to Sweden?  

Whatever you do enjoy it and hug to Tish too please 😘



Carol

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 15:10, Mike via groups.io <mike.egff=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Derek, Welsh Border Guards duly warned of your impending presence. Don't believe half of what the "ney sayers" talk about Wales 😉



Mike Kemp

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Hello all



Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?



Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.



Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.



Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.



I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.



If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short  piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.



All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.



Derek



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Re: Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem

Derek Sims
 

Martin
I had a look at the link and agree with what you say. However, that appears to apply to those taking up residence in Jersey.
Elsewhere on the Jersey States website (not very good at links), there is a section on provision for holidaymakers from the UK and some other agreed countries, with free mutual provision of emergency care, which seems similar to the EHIC. Fortunately, we’ve never had to put it to the test!
Derek

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On 18/08/2020 at 09:07, Bennett Family via groups.io wrote:

From: "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...>
Date: 18 August 2020
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Derek,

In my day the Jersey partly subsidised system didn’t kick in until you had lived there for 6 months, when you could claim back a proportion of your GP & prescription costs. It looks as if it is still the same. 


Martin


On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:31, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Martin
Thanks for the additional info. Is there not some reciprocal healthcare agreement for UK visitors, similar to the EHIC?
Yes, I think the Hideaway Stopover is open all year, although I'm not sure what happens when Dave & Carolyn go down to Spain (He's a keen windsurfer). Probably one of the family members carries out the minmal maintenance that's required.
Glad you liked the piece.
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On 18/08/2020, 06:43 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:
Derek,

Thanks - very informative. 

Made me wonder why I returned.

Is the Aire open all year?  That’s a reason why I’ve not been back recently as the campsites tend to close in the September except Daisy Cottage - have you been to that one?

Might be worth adding that the NHS doesn’t operate there, so unless it has changed, you will have to pay for treatment, hence health insurance would be a wise move. 

Roseville Pharmacy in St Helier, where I worked in 1970/71 is open until 9.30pm. I understand they are still waiting for the blue plaque to be erected ;-)

Martin 



On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:34, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


Well, I see from the bulging mailbags we have a letter from a Mrs Trellis, so here for her is my impression of Jersey, with apologies to those, like Martin, who have lived here and know it properly.

My first impression were formed from a 3 day post-Easter visit 30 years ago with my younger son Ben, 13 at the time, courtesy of two free tickets from Brymon Airways after I agreed to formally complain about one of their pilots that i got busted from a flight after he’d tried to queue-jump checkout at our hotel, abused the receptionist and stank of drink.

We came over hoping to surf, but as it was flat we visited the Durrell Endangered Species Zoo, hired mountain bikes and rode all around the Island. The visit clearly left a strong impression on Ben because when in 2013 HSBC offered him a place here he and his girlfriend (now wife) jumped at the chance and are now hoping they can survive the remaining three years which will enable them to buy a rabbit hutch to live in. (Nice houses start at £1M and prices are similar to Knightsbridge, but a shack on Paradise Island is still on Paradise Island!)

Our impressions have mainly been formed from a further eight visits we’ve made, all since they moved here, mostly of two weeks duration but including a couple of day trips. So here goes:

THE ISLAND

Jersey is the largest and most Southerly of the five main Channel Islands and sits alongside the Cotentin Peninsula of France, about 100 miles from the English Coast and about 25 miles from St Malo, so it enjoys a very benign climate, more French than British.

So why aren’t the Channel Islands French? Well, they were and they’re still full of French place and street names, the pronunciation of which is horribly (possibly deliberately) butchered by the natives. The main department store in St. Helier is Voisins (Neighbours), but if you were to ask for directions to it the response would be, “Oh, you mean Voyzins!”

We can thank The Duc de Normandie, aka William the Bastard, aka William the Conqueror. in 1066, when he invaded Britain, he retained his French territory, i.e Normandy, including the Channel Islands. When Normandy reverted to the French, The Channel Islanders decided to remain British and have done ever since, despite about three attempts by the French to retake them and the infamous occupation by the Nazis for five years during WW2.  It still hurts the Islanders to know that Britain “abandoned” and they were the only part of the British Isles to be conquered by Nazi Germany and they deliberately retain a lot of the German fortifications as a reminder. Their biggest day of the year is Liberation Day.

The Channel Islands are part of the British Isles but not of the UK. They’re a British Protectorate (ironical term bearing in mind WW2). They’re not, and never have been, in the EU. They make their own laws and have their own taxation system. Their equivalent to our 20% VAT is GST (Goods and Service Tax), currently at 6%. This can give a price advantage, but not always, as sales volumes are lower and duty could be charged on re-entering the UK with a new item.

Jersey is only 9 miles west to east and 5 miles north to south, but packs in a huge variety in that area. It’s divided into parishes, with St. Helier in the east having the one main town and St Peter’s, towards the west, having the airport. It generally preserves an unhurried atmosphere, partly because the maximum speed limit is 40mph, with many of the roads restricted to 30mph and some down to 15mph. It’s not a place to comfortably drive a large motorhome, especially as many roads have walls and no pavements at the edges. We were nervous in our 6.65m A-Class on all but the few main roads, but we happily go anywhere in our 5.45m Hymervan. A number of the residents have larger Autotrails bu they tend to holiday in France. RVs would not be allowed. Even the buses are built specially narrow and caravans can only be towed from ferry to site and back. We were escorted to our site behind a caravan on our first visit. When we arrived the driver was white and our mirror had been flipped in by a wall!

JERSEY ATTRACTIONS.

If you like beach life, this is the place for you with a huge variety from the massive European Class surfing beach of St Ouen’s in the west, through to tiny coves that disappear at high tide, small harbours with good swimming and sand when the tide goes out and including the swish St Brelades which vies with Woolacombe on Trip Advisor to be in the European top three. Apart from St Brelades, which makes a reasonable parking charge, parking is free at most of the beaches, which helps offset the ferry fare, when you think Woolacombe parking is now £10 per day.

As far as other attractions are concerned, if you like to shop, St Helier has a nice relaxed atmosphere with a lot of pedestrianisation, perhaps reminiscent of somewhere like Deauville or La  Rochelle. For walkers there are lots of footpaths and a complete coastal footpath, some of which we walked today. There’s at least one golf course and even a horse racing track, which we parked by for our walk. The low traffic speeds make it great for cycling and there are apparently 200 miles of green lanes, all restricted to 15mph, although cars can use them. 

There are two theatres and a cinema, currently closed but shortly to re-open as the restrictions ease further. last years summer entertainment guide showed something on almost every night.
Of course it’s home to many monied people, so there are eating places from the sublime to the cor blimey. Plenty of parks and gardens too, but still a surprising amount of countryside and a lovely new bird reserve at the back of St Ouen’s. No mountains but some hills to challenge walkers and cyclists, with some sheer cliffs and stacks for mad climbers. There is also the lovely Durrell Zoo and a selection of castles, museums and occupation sites, plus a 6000 year-old passage grave, La Hougue Bie, almost identical to Newgrange in Ireland

WHERE TO STAY

You will not be allowed in without a Motorhome Permit and that is only issued when you’re booked into an official camp site, even if you’re coming to see relatives or friends that could accommodate your van at their premises. There are two full-facility family Sites, Rozel in the N.E and Beuvelande in the E. I prefer the atmosphere at Rozel but Bevelande is affiliated to the CCC which hosts an annual rally there and can offer good discounts, (they can also get you over £100 off Condor Ferry Fares but not at present as they’re all furloughed and you can’t book the CI ferries on their website although it says you can. Believe me, I tried every possible way). There appears now to be some limited camping at the Durrell Centre but that’s probably associated with courses there, and there was a small “alternative” site called Daisy Cottage near St Ouen’s beach but I’m told that’s been taken over and re-opened under another name. At present it doesn’t seem possible to book any of the conventional sites, although in the last few days we’ve seen a couple of UK vans and they’re not where we are so perhaps things are changing.

However, about 5 years ago a Jersey couple, Dave and Carolyn Huelin, who are keen motorhomers, got permission to open a 5 van site, in the style of a french aire, just off the road to the airport, about a minute’s drive from the coast road from St Helier to St Aubyns. It’s in a valley so it loses the sun early, but it’s only a few minutes walk down to the sea and an easy drive to most places on the island. The five pitches are super-sized, on hard-core with gravel, so it can get dusty in a dry spell, but the landscaping around it is now maturing nicely. Although you can hear the traffic on the road above it’s not intrusive and is very quiet at night. There is an adjacent plant for recycling concrete, which is why it’s an adults only site, but it’s not generally noisy and doesn’t operate early mornings, evenings or weekends, in fact this is the first year we’ve heard it at all. Each pitch has a hook-up (20A apart from ours, which is 30A, but I don’t think they know!}
There are three fresh water points between the five pitches (Borehole, it says not drinking biut it’s perfectly OK) and one at the service point, which has a drive-over drain and very clean toilet disposal point. They also have MH storage adjacent so they occasionally use the service point, but it’s free most of the time.

You’ll find details of the site on UK Campsites (Including pictures of our previous van as we were almost their first customers, but it will say the site’s unavailable to book this year. We only got on because we contacted them direct and they know us, but they would be happy to accept bookings if you  mention my name (no money will change hands, I assure you :-( They can be contacted direct on 01534 759082, or text Carolyn on 07797 758919. Phone rates to Jersey are not cheap, although it is now a feel-at-home destination for Three.

GETTING THERE AND BACK

Condor has the monopoly I’m afraid, and their ferries are not cheap, although it is a hundred mile crossing, so perhaps not too bad. There is a fast service from Poole (4 hours) and a slightly cheaper slow ferry (10 hours) from Portsmouth, which can be pleasant cruise out. It’s always a day crossing but the return is always overnight. With the CCC out of operation it’s best to book direct on the Condor website. It works quite well in showing the cheapest crossing over a range of dates. If your van is more than 7m you’ll have to phone them, but they do take larger vans.

Any questions, please ask, I’m off to bed now (1.30am)

Stay sane. E&OE

Derek




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On 17/08/2020 at 15:33, Peter S wrote:

From: "Peter S" <peter@...>
Date: 17 August 2020
To: "motorhome-list@groups.io Group Moderators" <motorhome-list@groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Jersey Jaunt and St Malo Requiem
Thanks Derek.

Please do write your piece. I do a Newsletter and for the last issue I was surprised at how well my absolute drivel went down - actually got some thank you emails for a change and most of the newsletter was nothing to do with our real activity. I am sure your article will not be drivel but will give those of us who have never been to the CI encouragement to go.

Regards.

Peter S

On 17/08/2020 14:23:39, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:

Hello all

Still enjoying our peaceful Aire/CL here, family trips and exploring by ourselves. Currently fee-parked at St Ouen’s overlooking the beach. Very clear so we can see Guernsey, Herm, Sark and the forbidden French Coast. Another week of this, how will we survive the sanity?

Bodger Boris and Grinny Grant torpedoed our French travel plans for the second time this year on Thursday night. Fortunately we got the FCO email 10 minutes after the announcement, and by mid-morning Friday we had changed our 24th destination from St. Malo to the fast ferry to Poole. We’ll head straight to Totnes and hope to visit Tish’s Mum on 25th.

Then it’s home to re-pack and off again, to anywhere but England, with its government of vanity and insanity - whatever happened to the Age of Reason? We were hoping to go to the Isle of Man, but they, like Guernsey, have decided to completely kill their economy for the sake of a few possible cases and ALL arrivals, even if tested negative like us, have to quarantine 14 days, so that’s out. As we can’t get to Sweden, we’ll throw in our lot with Wales and Scotland and hope no-one notices we’re English.

Now, I swear that no money has greased my palm, but have any of you malcontents seriously considered coming to Jersey, because at present (and always), it has an amazing amount to offer in a 9x5 mile package. We’ve been coming here every year since our youngest son moved here seven years ago and we love it more and more. Still discovering new places to visit.

I’m thinking particularly of you, Tim, if you can be self-contained, or anyone wanting an adult-only CL with virtually fully-serviced super pitches for up to 28 or 31 days, according to which regulation you follow.

If anyone,s seriously interested I could write a short piece, either on or off list, but otherwise I’ll shut up and continue to enjoy the holiday.

All the best from a warm sunny and largely Sane Jersey.

Derek

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Re: Jersey continued

Derek Sims
 

Hi Martin
Checked today with Carolyn of the Hideaway Stopover and motorhome storage.
As expected, they haven't bought the former Daisy Cottage site, though she knows it's changed hands. Just enjoying our last few days of freedom here, in glorious sunshine today.
Probably stop for our evening meal on the seafront.
Found some new next-but-one neighbours at the Stopover this morning. Nice couple from Farnham in a long, high panel van conversion, for which the return fare would have been about £500. They're retired and would normally go to France, but as they couldn't, they'd decided to explore Jersey. I asked how long they were staying, thinking it would be 3-4 weeks, and was amazed when they told me they're returning on Monday afternoon, to Poole. So by the time they get back home they'll have spent £600 on ferry and site fees plus return fuel, probably £40. They'll have four full days which will have cost them £160 per day, not counting food and entertainment, plus two days travelling. Things must be dire in Farnham!
KRs
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On 19/08/2020, 12:30 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:

I copied Derek’s email to Jim Rowley who used to be on this List but no longer has a MH. He lives in Jersey and commented:

 One site that Derek missed off in Jersey was Haut De La Garrenne ,the old childrens' home !n Gorey. Our daughter and family use this site quite often because it is easy to walk down to Gorey. The people who run the storage facility on Beaumont Hiil ,going towards the airport i believe have taken over Daisy Cottage site and making improvements, the site is well kept but you still have quite a walk to St Ouens bay. The sites are still all open but used by a lot of local campers on Staycations . Our daughter tells us the sites are very expensive taking advantage of the shortage of sites, typical charge for2 adults and 2 children aged 9 and 6  £50 !
If coming from the Uk it is almost cheaper to fly and stay in a decent hotel !”

He went on to add “ The advantage with the Daisy Cottage and Haut De La Garrenne sites are easy access.” And Longueville Manor needs adding to the list. 

Martin






Re: CCC membership renewal - not extended?

David Scholes
 

Way to go Tim.

David

On 19 Aug 2020, at 20:25, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com> wrote:


Sorry if being abrasive, but I'm determined not to let the enemy win.
But then probably one day they'll carry my dead body out of a
campervan.

Tim


Re: temporary holiday sites

Derek Sims
 

Thanks for that, David. We hired Woolacombe Village Hall for a Barn Dance for our Ruby Wedding, because Tish says I can't do any other type of dancing. She stopped short of saying "any type of dancing", which is probably nearer the truth. Anyway, about a hundred of us had a wonderful time. It helps the atmosphere if no-one knows what they're doing, except probably not for experts like you, David.
Yeehaa
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On 20/08/2020, 10:01 David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
Hi

English Country Dancing dates back to the 17th century when a person called Playford recorded many of the dances that people were dancing during that time. It was very popular during the 19th century when many new dances were written. Sometimes the dances were held in barns. My wife and I had a barn dance (in a barn) for our wedding reception with music provided by ‘Bilbo Baggins Barn Dance Band’.

It went over to the colonies probably with the pilgrim fathers. Playford style dances are still danced there especially around Boston area. New dances are still being written but in America they are usually a little different from Playford style and are called ‘contras’ which for some reason use some French ish calls. They should not be used in calling ECD (of which Barn Dances are a form). ‘Do si do‘ should be called as ‘back to back’ and ‘a la main’ should be called as ‘holding hands’.
Another different style developed over there is called ‘square dancing’ in which the caller sings the calls and a further style which is called ‘line dancing’ where you don’t have partners.

Cajun dancing evolved from French Country Dancing.



On 20 Aug 2020, at 09:15, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


In North Devon we have Barn Dances. That's cos we haven't got squares.
At one of these the Head of Languages at the local Comp suddenly shouted out jubilantly, "It's French!" And of course he was right - teachers always are - we've got them in the family, you know.
Doh see Doh must be a bastardized translation of Dos-a-Dos - back-to-back, which is the move described by the caller.
My conjecture is that when the French colonised the Southern part of the US they took their squeeze boxes with them, giving birth to Zydeco music and their calls became Anglicized as the British came to be the dominant ethnic group. Can anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong? And what's it got to do with motorhoming? Dunno, but as any fan of It's a Good Life could tell you, Buffalo girls go round the outside, which must be a reflection on the poor quality of GPS systems in that part of the world
Stay Sane everyone. Only four more days then back to the looney bin. Better get my muzzle ready
Derek

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On 19/08/2020, 15:28 Sandytrax <brianinspain12@gmail..com> wrote:
I remember the ‘doe see doe’ from my country dancing days in Devon 40 years ago.

Take your partners please!
Brian


Re: temporary holiday sites

David Scholes
 

Hi

English Country Dancing dates back to the 17th century when a person called Playford recorded many of the dances that people were dancing during that time. It was very popular during the 19th century when many new dances were written. Sometimes the dances were held in barns. My wife and I had a barn dance (in a barn) for our wedding reception with music provided by ‘Bilbo Baggins Barn Dance Band’.

It went over to the colonies probably with the pilgrim fathers. Playford style dances are still danced there especially around Boston area. New dances are still being written but in America they are usually a little different from Playford style and are called ‘contras’ which for some reason use some French ish calls. They should not be used in calling ECD (of which Barn Dances are a form). ‘Do si do‘ should be called as ‘back to back’ and ‘a la main’ should be called as ‘holding hands’.
Another different style developed over there is called ‘square dancing’ in which the caller sings the calls and a further style which is called ‘line dancing’ where you don’t have partners.

Cajun dancing evolved from French Country Dancing.



On 20 Aug 2020, at 09:15, Derek Sims <derek.sims@...> wrote:


In North Devon we have Barn Dances. That's cos we haven't got squares.
At one of these the Head of Languages at the local Comp suddenly shouted out jubilantly, "It's French!" And of course he was right - teachers always are - we've got them in the family, you know.
Doh see Doh must be a bastardized translation of Dos-a-Dos - back-to-back, which is the move described by the caller.
My conjecture is that when the French colonised the Southern part of the US they took their squeeze boxes with them, giving birth to Zydeco music and their calls became Anglicized as the British came to be the dominant ethnic group. Can anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong? And what's it got to do with motorhoming? Dunno, but as any fan of It's a Good Life could tell you, Buffalo girls go round the outside, which must be a reflection on the poor quality of GPS systems in that part of the world
Stay Sane everyone. Only four more days then back to the looney bin. Better get my muzzle ready
Derek

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On 19/08/2020, 15:28 Sandytrax <brianinspain12@gmail..com> wrote:
I remember the ‘doe see doe’ from my country dancing days in Devon 40 years ago.

Take your partners please!
Brian


Re: temporary holiday sites

Derek Sims
 

In North Devon we have Barn Dances. That's cos we haven't got squares.
At one of these the Head of Languages at the local Comp suddenly shouted out jubilantly, "It's French!" And of course he was right - teachers always are - we've got them in the family, you know.
Doh see Doh must be a bastardized translation of Dos-a-Dos - back-to-back, which is the move described by the caller.
My conjecture is that when the French colonised the Southern part of the US they took their squeeze boxes with them, giving birth to Zydeco music and their calls became Anglicized as the British came to be the dominant ethnic group. Can anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong? And what's it got to do with motorhoming? Dunno, but as any fan of It's a Good Life could tell you, Buffalo girls go round the outside, which must be a reflection on the poor quality of GPS systems in that part of the world
Stay Sane everyone. Only four more days then back to the looney bin. Better get my muzzle ready
Derek

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On 19/08/2020, 15:28 Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
I remember the ‘doe see doe’ from my country dancing days in Devon 40 years ago.

Take your partners please!
Brian

On 19 Aug 2020, at 16:32, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:

Clogs are still used for clog dancing but that has nothing to do with English Country Dancing except occasionally as a ‘turn’.

David


On 19 Aug 2020, at 11:35, Tim Sagar via groups.io <t.sagar761@...> wrote:



I know a guy who makes Clogs if its of any interest?

 

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From: malcolmbebb via groups.io
Sent: 19 August 2020 11:23
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Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] temporary holiday sites

 

English country dancing is indeed formulaic, although in England there is a reduced expectation that dancers will know the dances and instruction is normally provided for each dance.

 

Typically the age profile is towards the higher end especially in dance club events. Country dancing is often seen as an old person's activity, unfortunately, although that was not always the case. Some events do address this, perhaps not enough.

 

In the current situation, the older participants are seen as most at risk and therefore most advised not to attend events. Naturally they tend to be more risk averse, too, so taking all together most older dancers that I know have no plans to return to dancing until a vaccine or effective cure is available.

Therefore the main body of participants for many dance events, often also the most keen and likely to attend, are avoiding events until further notice. Thus the critical mass to run events is not available even if the challenging social distancing requirements can be overcome. .

 

I've only been to a couple of C&CC folk club events, but the situation seems pretty similar.

 

I would agree that dancing is good fun, for those able to overcome their inhibitions, and is seen as a good way to keep fit particularly for the "geriatrics".

Morris is similarly affected, in particular by the social distancing requirements, and without dancers musicians are a bit spare...

 

More generally I am hoping to visit a few more temporary holiday sites, I don't think they are well enough known, in the not too distant future, if I don't jump I am expecting to be pushed! So I hope they will still be supported, even if not for dance events.

 

 

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Re: CCC membership renewal - not extended?

David Scholes
 

Yes. I meant insurance. 

David


On 19 Aug 2020, at 19:49, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:


David fo you mean insurance?  It was club membership to be extended not insurance

C

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 19:29, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
I got my renewal notice from CCC at the beginning of this month. There was no mention of extensions and the price was roughly double last year (no claims or any such during the last year with any vehicle).

David


On 19 Aug 2020, at 17:57, Buff via groups.io <huffbuffforums=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

We've just received our annual renewal notice from the Camping & Caravanning Club. So far as I can see no reduction or extension has been applied to allow for Covid lockdown. The price is £1 up from last year and the next renewal date is 12 months on from this one.

Since April I have been happy in the knowledge that the CCC was one of the few organisations extending membership. I think I first became aware of this here when Carol mentioned that she had had an email to that effect. Googling now on the subject I see that Practical Motorhome confirmed it in this article: https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/news/camping-and-caravanning-club-extends-annual-membership-period

However, I cannot see that we ever received the email and we have now received this renewal notice for the full amount.

Did anyone else receive the email about the extension? Has it been followed up either by extended membership or a discounted renewal?

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Re: Returning to UK.

Carol Weaver
 

Cheers thanks I did get as John has suggested. Bookmarked now. 

C

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 02:01, David <david.saltydawg@...> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:10 PM, John Young wrote:


Hi Carol. It keeps appearing and disappearing on my Facebook. The only information I can offer is to try the gov.uk site and search for Public Health Passenger Locator Form. Best I can do for now, hope it helps.



Hi, This might help: 


https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk








 





On 19 Aug 2020, at 22:56, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:










Hi John. Do you have a link or know where it is?




 


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On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 22:39, John Young via groups.io <john2younguk=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:



I have just returned from a trip through Holland and them 3 weeks in Germany. I left Cologne and travelled direct to Calais. 2 stops on aires but no contact with anyone. No problems getting on ferry but on arrival at Dover was asked for a passenger locator form which I had not got. I had to fill in an on line form and was told to self isolate for 14 days as I had been in France.












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Re: Electricity EHU cables

Derek Sims
 

The heating effect will depend on the volts drop in the cable. If they’ve got fat cable loosely wound on an open-centred reel in a strong breeze on a cool day and they’re not drawing much power, they might get away with it. Otherwise, they’ve got a nice electric fire, unless they’ve used superconductors in their cables. Of course the laws of Physics are different in Paris. The Eiffel Tower’s still upright and French women can walk down the Champs Elysee in stilettos without tottering.

We watched a ‘van going up in flames in Morocco. Scary! It wasn’t on a hook-up, but developed a fault in the gas fridge or it’s supply whilst the owner was away having Sunday Lunch. We watched the event unfold from above. All the Europeans ran away to move their ‘vans, but the Moroccan site staff saved the day. In no time at all they’d run out a large fire hose and drowned out the fire. The owner returned from his lunch to find a large charred hole in the side of his nice A Class. But he’d saved a pound by not having a hookup ;-) it inspired Chis Robinson to design an automatic drenching system for his ‘van.

I’ll keep unwinding our EHU cable - not too many Moroccan staff on UK sites. The British would let your motorhome burn to a cinder while they completed the Health and Safety Risk Assessment form before having a committee meeting to decide whether to call a fire engine. And if the wrong corner of your “unit” was parked against the white post, then forget about help - you’ll have to pay for redecorating the post.

Stay Sane

Derek

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On 19/08/2020 at 19:18, Sandytrax wrote:

From: "Sandytrax" <brianinspain12@...>
Date: 19 August 2020
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
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Subject: [motorhome-list] Electricity EHU cables

I’ve often read that it’s an important or even essential  safety Issue to uncoil your ehu cable to prevent overheating.

In Europe that simply never seems to be the case. Almost everyone has a tight reel.
Some use aircon.

Does the law of physics vary according to country??
Or are European vans burning all over the place?!
safe travels
Brian


Re: Jersey continued

Derek Sims
 

Hi Martin
Thank Jim for his update, contents duly noted. I see from the list of Official Jersey Campsites, i.e. those for whom the Jersey States will issue the essential Entry Permit, that Haut de La Garenne is listed as Bay View Camping or Jersey Accomodation and Activity Centre. I'm not surprised by the name change - those with long memories will recall that Jersey was dragged unwillingly into the headlines by an investigation into alleged sexual abuse of the inmates. Can't remember the outcome but it wasn't the sort of publicity an island paradise welcomed and the word we got from someone who used to live on Jersey, was that a lot was never revealed, but they shut the home.

Previously it was also the fictional Polce HQ for John Nettles' Bergerac , with whom we shared the distinction of owning a Triumph Roadster. During my first visit 30 years ago one of the three used for filming the series was on display at the Jersey Pearl showroom at St Ouen's. If it's still there it's probably worth more than the pearls! Apparently one the three had such dull paintwork they had to spray it with hair lacquer before every take - or was that John Nettles?

The former Daisy Cottage site is now called The Palms and it is an official site. We have never been there or even seen it, but if we had anything larger than our 5.45 x 2.2m Hymervan I'd want to verify ease of access before booking. It's hard enough to get into Beuvelande, the last part of the route being around some tight corners in a Green Lane, but St Ouen's, away from the coast road, has some of the most tortuous lanes on the Island, as we found out on Monday, but if Jim says the access is good, I'm sure he's right.
The Beaumont Hill storage facility is right alongside us here and owned by Dave & Carolyn as well. They've been down and chatted a number of times since we arrived. and never said anything about buying Daisy Cottage, which I sure they would have. If we see them again before we leave on Monday morning. I can't imagine them ripping anyone with site fees. Mind you, in the site nearest the beach in Woolacombe, and it's still a mile away, £75 was the norm for 4 people in peak season.

Longueville Manor doesn't appear to be on the official list, so it may only take locals. One would need to check if the Jersey States would issue the Permit for a booking there.
Cheers
Derek

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On 19/08/2020, 12:30 "Bennett Family via groups.io" <martin.bennett47@...> wrote:

I copied Derek’s email to Jim Rowley who used to be on this List but no longer has a MH. He lives in Jersey and commented:

 One site that Derek missed off in Jersey was Haut De La Garrenne ,the old childrens' home !n Gorey. Our daughter and family use this site quite often because it is easy to walk down to Gorey. The people who run the storage facility on Beaumont Hiil ,going towards the airport i believe have taken over Daisy Cottage site and making improvements, the site is well kept but you still have quite a walk to St Ouens bay. The sites are still all open but used by a lot of local campers on Staycations . Our daughter tells us the sites are very expensive taking advantage of the shortage of sites, typical charge for2 adults and 2 children aged 9 and 6  £50 !
If coming from the Uk it is almost cheaper to fly and stay in a decent hotel !”

He went on to add “ The advantage with the Daisy Cottage and Haut De La Garrenne sites are easy access.” And Longueville Manor needs adding to the list. 

Martin






Re: Returning to U.K. without stopping in Belgium or France

David
 

Whichever route you choose, do take note/don't forget this: https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk


Re: Returning to UK.

David
 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:10 PM, John Young wrote:
Hi Carol. It keeps appearing and disappearing on my Facebook. The only information I can offer is to try the gov.uk site and search for Public Health Passenger Locator Form. Best I can do for now, hope it helps.

Hi, This might help: 
https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk


 

On 19 Aug 2020, at 22:56, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
Hi John. Do you have a link or know where it is?
 
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 22:39, John Young via groups.io <john2younguk=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just returned from a trip through Holland and them 3 weeks in Germany. I left Cologne and travelled direct to Calais. 2 stops on aires but no contact with anyone. No problems getting on ferry but on arrival at Dover was asked for a passenger locator form which I had not got. I had to fill in an on line form and was told to self isolate for 14 days as I had been in France.






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