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Re: End of ADAC Plus Membership

Carol Weaver
 

I read mine via google that plus still goes to 2021 March when next renewal is. Have I misunderstood it?

Carol 

On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 18:51, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
I've also just had the recent letter, having had my normal renewal documents a few weeks ago.  My wife understands much German and it was clear from the renewal documents that cover for members with a UK address (and no extra address in Germany, from the recent letter) is terminating.

So why pay for a service that does not exist.

Sadly, all good things come to an end at some time.

Alan.

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Re: End of ADAC Plus Membership

Alan Morris
 

I've also just had the recent letter, having had my normal renewal documents a few weeks ago.  My wife understands much German and it was clear from the renewal documents that cover for members with a UK address (and no extra address in Germany, from the recent letter) is terminating.

So why pay for a service that does not exist.

Sadly, all good things come to an end at some time.

Alan.


Re: End of ADAC Plus Membership

Nigel Owen
 

I keep mine until renewal at 01/02/21

Nigel

On 20/05/2020 14:46, Carol Weaver wrote:

So do you have PLUS to 2021 renewal?

Carol

On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 14:43, simon via groups.io <easygoing=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is a copy of a email I received today about my ADAC  membership.

Dear Mr. Adams, thank you for your message. Nicole Fischer Membership and Insurance Tel. (0 89) 76 76 66 32 Fax (0 89) 76 76 57 79 E-Mail: service2@... Member no. ----------  20.05.2020 / gks-FM01 We regret that there was no English speaking employee available on the phone. We will be happy to confirm the payment of your ADAC contribution: Product membership Yearly contribution 2020 € 99.00 If you still receive a payment request for your ADAC Plus membership, please consider this as irrelevant. If you have any questions, please contact us - we will be happy to advise you. Kind regards


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-------- Original message --------
From: Carol Weaver <corconx@...>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020, 20:03
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] End of ADAC Plus Membership
Mine only cancelled at renewal on ⅓/21. You sure yours is cancelled immediately. I’d ask for refund

Carol

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 19:43, simon via groups.io <easygoing=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Had my letter cancelling my plus membership,only renewed 10 days ago

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-------- Original message --------
From: Mick Potter <mickpotter@...>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020, 17:49
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] End of ADAC Plus Membership
I received today the letter cancelling my ADAC Plus membership after the next renewal date, 1 Aug.  As we all know this is a great shame, as it was very good value.  As we don't go to Germany very often, it probably won't be worth our while renewing.

Has anyone come up with an alternative?  We have two cars, plus the 'van that we take to Europe once or twice a year for a couple of months, so a person-based rather than vehicle-based scheme would probably be better for us.

Any suggestions?

Bests,

Mick
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back on road?

timsinc Sinclair
 

Interesting emaI from my insurer, Comfort:

Tim

The National Caravan Council (NCC), the industry body that represents
the leisure vehicle industry in the UK is lobbying the government to
reopen UK caravan parks as soon as it is safe to do so (private owners
and then holidaymakers but without any access to facilities until is
it safe) in line with proposals in England no later than 4 July.

The leisure industry contributes 10% of GDP across Europe. The UK
caravan industry comprises of 3,877 caravan parks and employs in
excess of 171,000 people. There are over 250,000 privately owned
holiday caravans on parks. These parks welcome over 520,000 touring
caravan and 228,000 motorhome owners.

The NCC enjoyed lobbying success earlier this year by getting the
government to reverse the new motorhome Vehicle Excise Duty (VED).

By opening up UK leisure vehicle parks, not only will it provide a
much needed economic boost to the UK economy, but will it provide a
much needed opportunity for leisure vehicle owners to escape to a safe
open space, where they can continue to socially distance themselves
and get back to enjoying the great outdoors.


Re: End of ADAC Plus Membership

Carol Weaver
 


So do you have PLUS to 2021 renewal?

Carol


On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 14:43, simon via groups.io <easygoing=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is a copy of a email I received today about my ADAC  membership.

Dear Mr. Adams, thank you for your message. Nicole Fischer Membership and Insurance Tel. (0 89) 76 76 66 32 Fax (0 89) 76 76 57 79 E-Mail: service2@... Member no. ----------  20.05.2020 / gks-FM01 We regret that there was no English speaking employee available on the phone. We will be happy to confirm the payment of your ADAC contribution: Product membership Yearly contribution 2020 € 99.00 If you still receive a payment request for your ADAC Plus membership, please consider this as irrelevant. If you have any questions, please contact us - we will be happy to advise you. Kind regards


Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: Carol Weaver <corconx@...>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020, 20:03
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] End of ADAC Plus Membership
Mine only cancelled at renewal on ⅓/21. You sure yours is cancelled immediately. I’d ask for refund

Carol

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 19:43, simon via groups.io <easygoing=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Had my letter cancelling my plus membership,only renewed 10 days ago

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: Mick Potter <mickpotter@...>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020, 17:49
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] End of ADAC Plus Membership
I received today the letter cancelling my ADAC Plus membership after the next renewal date, 1 Aug.  As we all know this is a great shame, as it was very good value.  As we don't go to Germany very often, it probably won't be worth our while renewing.

Has anyone come up with an alternative?  We have two cars, plus the 'van that we take to Europe once or twice a year for a couple of months, so a person-based rather than vehicle-based scheme would probably be better for us.

Any suggestions?

Bests,

Mick

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Re: Ducato Instruments

Mick Potter
 

Thanks for your comments all. This seems to have become needlessly complicated: I thought I was posting a simple piece of advice. 

To sum up:

All the dials stopped working at once. 

The fuses were OK. 

The speedo started working (I hadn't mentioned this before). 

I removed the instrument pod and cleaned the connector contacts. 

No change. 

I took the unit to be fixed. They told me that the 'motors' had seized, and that this is a common problem. It now works fine. 

I conclude that it was a problem internal to the instrument pod, maybe 'motors', maybe something else. It is now fixed. 

Before taking it to be fixed, I decided that, despite a lifetime career in electronics, I was not willing to take the risk of b#ggering it up at a cost of >£600, but to pay £125 to get it fixed. 

End of story. 

Bests 

Mick 


Re: End of ADAC Plus Membership

simon
 

This is a copy of a email I received today about my ADAC  membership.

Dear Mr. Adams, thank you for your message. Nicole Fischer Membership and Insurance Tel. (0 89) 76 76 66 32 Fax (0 89) 76 76 57 79 E-Mail: service2@... Member no. ----------  20.05.2020 / gks-FM01 We regret that there was no English speaking employee available on the phone. We will be happy to confirm the payment of your ADAC contribution: Product membership Yearly contribution 2020 € 99.00 If you still receive a payment request for your ADAC Plus membership, please consider this as irrelevant. If you have any questions, please contact us - we will be happy to advise you. Kind regards


Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: Carol Weaver <corconx@...>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020, 20:03
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] End of ADAC Plus Membership
Mine only cancelled at renewal on ⅓/21. You sure yours is cancelled immediately. I’d ask for refund

Carol

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 19:43, simon via groups.io <easygoing=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Had my letter cancelling my plus membership,only renewed 10 days ago

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: Mick Potter <mickpotter@...>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020, 17:49
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] End of ADAC Plus Membership
I received today the letter cancelling my ADAC Plus membership after the next renewal date, 1 Aug.  As we all know this is a great shame, as it was very good value.  As we don't go to Germany very often, it probably won't be worth our while renewing.

Has anyone come up with an alternative?  We have two cars, plus the 'van that we take to Europe once or twice a year for a couple of months, so a person-based rather than vehicle-based scheme would probably be better for us.

Any suggestions?

Bests,

Mick

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Re: Ducato Instruments

Ernest Bull
 

On 20 May 2020, at 10:35, charliemorgan2004 via groups.io <charlie.morgan@...> wrote:

(1) Has the starting battery discharged to the point you had to use jump leads of a jump start pack?
(2) if not this time of starting, had this happened on previous start attempts?

Not my MH, Charlie. Just posing the questions - like you.
_______

ErnB
Ex-Motorhomer.


Re: Ducato Instruments

Carol Weaver
 

Charlie if you read earlier posts Ernie was actually Offering advice

😊

Carol

On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 10:36, charliemorgan2004 via groups.io <charlie.morgan=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Ernest,
There is no way in my mind that all instrument motors would have failed or seized at the same time.  A couple of questions for you:-
(1) Has the starting battery discharged to the point you had to use jump leads of a jump start pack?
(2) if not this time of starting, had this happened on previous start attempts?

Ducato vehicles and the Peugeot/Citroen cousins all suffer badly from low battery voltage and consequent jump start attempts, where the software in various units can get corrupted.

My standing advice to all Ducato owners is “NEVER EVER, use jump leads or jump start packs, unless they are professional surge protected versions.  Instead, use a battery charger to progressively recharge the battery.

I am a mobile auto electrician and diagnostic guy, and I come across these kinds of faults constantly, so please take note.

You may well need to run a full all systems diagnostic to get to grips with this.

It may be worth disconnecting your start battery for an hour or so if your confident doing that?
disconnect just the earth cable as that’s usually the easiest one to get to 

Hope that’s useful 

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Re: Ducato Instruments

charliemorgan2004
 

Hi Ernest,
There is no way in my mind that all instrument motors would have failed or seized at the same time.  A couple of questions for you:-
(1) Has the starting battery discharged to the point you had to use jump leads of a jump start pack?
(2) if not this time of starting, had this happened on previous start attempts?

Ducato vehicles and the Peugeot/Citroen cousins all suffer badly from low battery voltage and consequent jump start attempts, where the software in various units can get corrupted.

My standing advice to all Ducato owners is “NEVER EVER, use jump leads or jump start packs, unless they are professional surge protected versions.  Instead, use a battery charger to progressively recharge the battery.

I am a mobile auto electrician and diagnostic guy, and I come across these kinds of faults constantly, so please take note.

You may well need to run a full all systems diagnostic to get to grips with this.

It may be worth disconnecting your start battery for an hour or so if your confident doing that?
disconnect just the earth cable as that’s usually the easiest one to get to 

Hope that’s useful 


Re: Ducato Instruments

Bennett Family
 

On my 2015 Fiat Carthago you’d be lucky to notice if the speedo wasn’t working because it is so difficult to read. I use a Heads Up device. 

Martin


On 19 May 2020, at 21:36, Ernest Bull via groups.io <ernb32@...> wrote:

 On 19 May 2020, at 11:24, M Stevenson <atcop.co@...> wrote:

Bit odd they all 'seized' up at the same time.

And I still think that it could be a wiring problem. I had two similar problems on my ageing Tramp. Both caused by corroded earth connections.
————

ErnB


Re: Ducato Instruments

Ernest Bull
 

On 19 May 2020, at 11:24, M Stevenson <atcop.co@...> wrote:

Bit odd they all 'seized' up at the same time.

And I still think that it could be a wiring problem. I had two similar problems on my ageing Tramp. Both caused by corroded earth connections.
————

ErnB


Re: Fiat Ducato Instrument Cluster - a Warning / Airbags

Bennett Family
 

Alan,

I like that!

Martin


On 19 May 2020, at 16:56, Alan Morris via groups.io <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:


When I was driving for the RAF, I had the pleasure of driving their Pinzgauer 6x6 ambulance.



The rear pair of wheels on each side's suspension was air suspension assisted.  It was a mandatory requirement that the first person to drive them everyday had to check the pressure on both sides.

Apart from cost, probably the best base vehicle for a DIY motorhome.

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Re: Fiat Ducato Instrument Cluster - a Warning / Airbags

Alan Morris
 

When I was driving for the RAF, I had the pleasure of driving their Pinzgauer 6x6 ambulance.

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The rear pair of wheels on each side's suspension was air suspension assisted.  It was a mandatory requirement that the first person to drive them everyday had to check the pressure on both sides.

Apart from cost, probably the best base vehicle for a DIY motorhome.


Re: Ducato Instruments

M Stevenson
 

Bit odd they all 'seized' up at the same time.

Max


Re: Ducato Instruments

Mick Potter
 

Thanks Ern, but the fuses were OK. And the guy in the repair shop called them 'motors', a term I queried, and which he confirmed, so I guess that's the name used in the trade. 

Bests 

Mick 


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:41, Ernest Bull
<ernb32@...> wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 16:41, Mick Potter <mickpotter@...> wrote:

My ~10yo 'van is based on a Fiat Ducato, like many others.  For obvious reasons, it hasn't been used much lately

I recently took it out after not using it for 4-5 weeks, just so that it got a run.  None of the instruments (speedo, rev counter, temp and fuel level) worked.  They were all stuck hard on zero.

The motors inside seize up.

No motors to seize up, Mick. They are, basically, electronically driven voltmeters or ammeters calibrated in MPH or RPM. Check out this link. 

You are undoubtedly suffering from a blown fuse or a missing connection. Check the fuseboxes first. Possibly F38 and 53 in the dashboard box and F22 in the engine compartment. Other than that try the MH Forum;

Hope that helps!
___________

ErnB
Ex-Motorhomer (Hymer Tramp)


Ducato Instruments

Ernest Bull
 

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 16:41, Mick Potter <mickpotter@...> wrote:

My ~10yo 'van is based on a Fiat Ducato, like many others.  For obvious reasons, it hasn't been used much lately

I recently took it out after not using it for 4-5 weeks, just so that it got a run.  None of the instruments (speedo, rev counter, temp and fuel level) worked.  They were all stuck hard on zero.

The motors inside seize up.

No motors to seize up, Mick. They are, basically, electronically driven voltmeters or ammeters calibrated in MPH or RPM. Check out this link. 

You are undoubtedly suffering from a blown fuse or a missing connection. Check the fuseboxes first. Possibly F38 and 53 in the dashboard box and F22 in the engine compartment. Other than that try the MH Forum;

Hope that helps!
___________

ErnB
Ex-Motorhomer (Hymer Tramp)


Re: Electric scooters

timsinc Sinclair
 

Did to start with Carol, but then dried up.
Tim

On 18/05/2020, Carol Weaver <corconx@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you not get updates Tim?

Carol

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 18:47, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, Don. Couple of years back I (foolishly?) invested in this
start-up biz in Singapore to make wide-tyre (good for pot holes)
electric scooters with suspension. So far, nothing come of it. The
easy-store in my small camper 2-wheel transport must have crashed into
oblivion.

I may yet be surprised that the (up to 35mph) scooter will arrive on
the doorstep. I'm resigned, however, to write off the outlay as a bad
investment.

Tim

On 18/05/2020, don.madge@gmail.com <don.madge@gmail.com> wrote:
I've noticed in the last few weeks that there are many more electric
scooters about. We walk along the promenade at Littlehampton most days
and
scooters are being ridden by all age groups.

I spoke to one middle aged owner who claimed his scooter could do
25MPH,
he
was aware that they were illegal but was not all that bothered.

It appears that they may be legal this year See
https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/buying-advice/gadget/electric-scooter-law-uk-3668712/

I can see they might be useful for the motorhomer but charging the
battery
might be a problem.. The owner I spoke to claimed his battery took 5
hours
to become fully charged.
I might buy my great grandson one so I can have a go.
Stay safe
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Re: Fiat Ducato Instrument Cluster - a Warning / Airbags

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Air Suspension.

Generally reliable with only occasional top-ups but like tyres can deflate. Many of our customers opt for a gauge kit of some kind to keep an eye on pressures but some are convinced that the most basic arrangement with a just couple of Schrader vales in the bumper is OK. Cheaper initially certainly - but if you don't check and drive off with minimal pressure in them you could find yourself needing replacement airbag assemblies at £150+ a pop! Has come as quite a shock to some.

I'm not aware of any need to be concerned about 'pressures' in safety airbags.

Best regards

Neill (Neill is deaf and doesn’t use the phone)
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From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Morris
Sent: 18 May 2020 20:51
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Fiat Ducato Instrument Cluster - a Warning

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 16:41, Mick Potter <mickpotter@zepler.org> wrote:

My ~10yo 'van is based on a Fiat Ducato, like many others. For obvious reasons, it hasn't been used much lately
I recently took it out after not using it for 4-5 weeks, just so that it got a run. None of the instruments (speedo, rev counter, temp and fuel level) worked. They were all stuck hard on zero.
The motors inside seize up.
I don't understand what you mean by 'motors'.

I'm not familiar with Ducato dash instruments (I have a 2017
Ducato/Hymer). In pre-digital days the speedo was a magnetically
attracted dial, but guess that with digital displays, a number is
converted into a voltage to energise a meter. Fuel displays were a
variable resistor or better known as a potentiometer, that varied the
current to a meter.

Are stepping motors now used?

Neill then wrote:-

I can add to that – if you have airbags make sure they have the minimum pressure in them before going for that run! We’ve heard of expensive mistakes recently!
Are you referring to air bag suspension or crash protection?

Alan.


Re: Fiat Ducato Instrument Cluster - a Warning

Mick Potter
 

The motors are the things that drive the needles across the dial (fairly small, I guess).  There are four of them, one for each dial, whether or not they are steppers, I don't know: I would guess not, as steppers were usually fairly expensive.  (And yes, the terminology fooled me at first, too.)

And Neill, how do you check for the airbag pressure?  I never have before.

Bests,

Mick

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On Monday, 18 May 2020, 20:51:58 BST, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:


On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 16:41, Mick Potter <mickpotter@...> wrote:

> My ~10yo 'van is based on a Fiat Ducato, like many others.  For obvious reasons, it hasn't been used much lately

> I recently took it out after not using it for 4-5 weeks, just so that it got a run.  None of the instruments (speedo, rev counter, temp and fuel level) worked.  They were all stuck hard on zero.

> The motors inside seize up.

I don't understand what you mean by 'motors'.

I'm not familiar with Ducato dash instruments (I have a 2017
Ducato/Hymer).  In pre-digital days the speedo was a magnetically
attracted dial, but guess that with digital displays, a number is
converted into a voltage to energise a meter.  Fuel displays were a
variable resistor or better known as a potentiometer, that varied the
current to a meter.

Are stepping motors now used?

Neill then wrote:-

> I can add to that – if you have airbags make sure they have the minimum pressure in them before going for that run!  We’ve heard of expensive mistakes recently!

Are you referring to air bag suspension or crash protection?

Alan.


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