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Lock down in Funchal, Madeira

Don Madge
 

I know its OT but this is the live web cam at the Ritz Cafe in Funchal. I can highly recommend the place, the prices are very reasonable
..http://www.theritzmadeira.com/livewebcam.html
Don
 


Re: future on the road?

Sandytrax
 

Hi Tim

I understand your frustration with the absence of motorhomes mentioned in news articles.
However, I quite like that the focus is on package holidays and flights abroad. I've always liked the feeling that, as a motorhome traveller, I'm not part of that part of that population!

No one knows what will happen with campsite bookings when the lockdown lifts. 
My feeling is that most campsites will be desperate to recoup lost business and many 'holidaymakers' will be in fear of travel.

I thought, from previous posts, that you are a Spain/Portugal lover. I'm sure you'll be able to resume your preference in due course.

For my part, my camper van is locked down at Athens airport at a cost of 60 euro/month. 
I'm looking forward to resuming my Greek exploration, probably in July judging by latest info from the Greek tourism minister.

Keep smiling!
Keep trip planning!

best wishes
Brian


future on the road?

timsinc Sinclair
 

So frustrating that when you read articles (and many out there) about
future of post-covid tourism that we lot are totally ignored. In fact
motoring holidays and camping never mentioned, although rise in
"staycations" get a mention and being good for local seaside towns.

No, they are all about flying (in half-full polluting aircrafts), the
queues at airports for robot disinfecting or body checks, and plastic
barriers around beach plots or between tables in restaurants. Everyone
hiding behind a face mask. Nightmare holidays I'd call them.

It is depressing (especially for full-time campervanners!) that when I
can again take off for new vistas what campsites do re-open will be
booked solid by so many of us that would normally be heading for
Europe. Wild camp? OK for few days but feeling a lot more insecure in
this 'unwelcome here' climate. And recharging and refilling/emptying
always needed.

May give rise to new way of finding pitches. Such as drives or land of
friends and family or fellow motorhomers. Hope that soon there'll be
new search app catering for such. Maybe there is one. What are others
planning?

Campervan Tim


Lockdown thoughts

Bennett Family
 

It’s funny how the prospect of a wet weekend in the van in Withernsea suddenly becomes appealing (well nearly). This guy puts it better:


Re: ADAC Membership

Peter S
 

Your membership will be extended when they know how long the shut down has been for. At least that is what the NT are doing and I assume it will be the same for the CCC. Seems the most sensible thing to do as they have no idea as yet how much extra to give you at the moment. 

Our garden waste collection was paid for a year last October. The contractors messed up the first couple of month's of the new system so we will not have to pay again until at least December. The collection has now been suspended for the time being and we are to get a further extension for the missed months due to the suspension.

Peter S

On 01/05/2020 18:44:46, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:40, Carol Weaver wrote:

> Sad really but I had been expecting something to come out of Brexit.

I regret that these ADAC letters are at least partly induced by
brexit. (see below)

> But WHY are we all getting different letters

No idea.

> Alan when was it is your renewal? BeRing in mind we have to give 3 months notice

My wife and I have over the last fortnight, been reviewing our
memberships of organisations that we've been members of for many
years. Renewing. without much thought each year.

Membership of the National Trust and the Imperial War Museum is not a
problem, as since 2003 we changed our annual memberships into Life
Members.

Knowing that our ADAC membership was due soon, we were considering
ending our many years of membership. Since joining ADAC we have
bought three new vehicles (Hymer and 2 cars) and all came with 1 or 2
year breakdown cover. Previously we decided to continue with a
duplicated service from ADAC.

Then yesterday we received two letters dated 22.04.20 and 23.04.20.
Clause 1.2 "Wohnsitz innerhalb der EU / EWR" is about having ones
primary residence in the EU.

Also "Diese leistungsordnung ist gultig ab 1 April 2020" is valid from
1 April 2020.

So they have changed their T&Cs. Under UK law we can cancel without penalty.

The UK, until 31st December or when BoJo decides, is still part of the EU.

Like so many things, it's difficult to know what is the result of
brexit and what is not. I'm not inviting political argument, just
reporting facts! It's possible that members living outside of the EU
and also those living in UK, are costing more to support than Germans
and other EU residents. Bringing a broken down motorhome back to the
UK involves an expensive ferry crossing. It's not just the cost of
the ferry, but the massive increase in staff time involved.

This prompts the question, why are ADAC inviting renewal for a complete year?

Too many organisations are expecting to receive income without
providing service in these difficult times. As an example the CCC
have said that they will extend ones membership period for the time
that their sites are closed. My membership expires on 29/05/2020.
However I've received notification that the next Direct Debit will be
taken on 29/05/2020.

So no extension of my membership then.

The CMC are now selling UK Club Site Vouchers for £100 with a face
value of £120, only valid until 31 December 2021. But will they 'buy'
20% more of site time at today's prices? Probably not as like all
businesses, their prices will increase after the lock-down ends. I am
budgeting for at least a 10% to 20% increase in prices in general.

Alan.




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Re: ADAC Membership

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 17:37, David Scholes <scholesd@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

I seem to have a different problem.
ADAC sent me an extra letter a couple of days ago but it mentioned nothing about next year’s membership. What it said was that ‘here is a kind of membership card for this year, just paper, not plastic. Please sign on the back. Also included is a plus booklet’
My new paper membership card has the same expiry date as my existing
plastic - the end of this month. I also received the request for
membership starting 06/20. Up 9,50€ - about 10% plus the reduced
value of the Pound. Last increase was June 2014.

So now I have 31 pages of conditions in German and no idea as to whether they are trying to help me or are planning to Chuck me out.
Probably yes. See my longer posting.

Alan.


Re: ADAC Membership

Carol Weaver
 

Alan



On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 18:44, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:40, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

> Sad really but I had been expecting something to come out of Brexit.

I regret that these ADAC letters are at least partly induced by
brexit.  (see below)

> But WHY are we all getting different letters

No idea.

> Alan when was it is your renewal?  BeRing in mind we have to give 3 months notice

My wife and I have over the last fortnight, been reviewing our
memberships of organisations that we've been members of for many
years.  Renewing. without much thought each year.

Membership of the National Trust and the Imperial War Museum is not a
problem, as since 2003 we changed our annual memberships into Life
Members.

Knowing that our ADAC membership was due soon, we were considering
ending our many years of membership.  Since joining  ADAC we have
bought three new vehicles (Hymer and 2 cars) and all came with 1 or 2
year breakdown cover.  Previously we decided to continue with a
duplicated service from ADAC.

Then yesterday we received two letters dated 22.04.20 and 23.04.20.
Clause 1.2 "Wohnsitz innerhalb der EU / EWR" is about having ones
primary residence in the EU.

I’ve to date only had the one I googled translated. 


Also "Diese leistungsordnung ist gultig ab 1 April 2020" is valid from
1 April 2020.

So they have changed their T&Cs.  Under UK law we can cancel without penalty.

That is good news but would they give us a pro rata back?


The UK, until 31st December or when BoJo decides, is still part of the EU.

Like so many things, it's difficult to know what is the result of
brexit and what is not.  I'm not inviting political argument, just
reporting facts!  It's possible that members living outside of the EU
and also those living in UK, are costing more to support than Germans
and other EU residents.  Bringing a broken down motorhome back to the
UK involves an expensive ferry crossing.  It's not just the cost of
the ferry, but the massive increase in staff time involved.

This prompts the question, why are ADAC inviting renewal for a complete year?

Too many organisations are expecting to receive income without
providing service in these difficult times.  As an example the CCC
have said that they will extend ones membership period for the time
that their sites are closed.  My membership expires on 29/05/2020.
However I've received notification that the next Direct Debit will be
taken on 29/05/2020.

I’ve not had any letter from CCC. Another not had!! 


So no extension of my membership then.

The CMC are now selling UK Club Site Vouchers for £100 with a face
value of £120, only valid until 31 December 2021.  But will they 'buy'
20% more of site time at today's prices?  Probably not as like all
businesses, their prices will increase after the lock-down ends.  I am
budgeting for at least a 10% to 20% increase in prices in general.



not a member of them. 

Carol

Alan.



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Re: ADAC Membership

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:40, Carol Weaver <corconx@gmail.com> wrote:

Sad really but I had been expecting something to come out of Brexit.
I regret that these ADAC letters are at least partly induced by
brexit. (see below)

But WHY are we all getting different letters
No idea.

Alan when was it is your renewal? BeRing in mind we have to give 3 months notice
My wife and I have over the last fortnight, been reviewing our
memberships of organisations that we've been members of for many
years. Renewing. without much thought each year.

Membership of the National Trust and the Imperial War Museum is not a
problem, as since 2003 we changed our annual memberships into Life
Members.

Knowing that our ADAC membership was due soon, we were considering
ending our many years of membership. Since joining ADAC we have
bought three new vehicles (Hymer and 2 cars) and all came with 1 or 2
year breakdown cover. Previously we decided to continue with a
duplicated service from ADAC.

Then yesterday we received two letters dated 22.04.20 and 23.04.20.
Clause 1.2 "Wohnsitz innerhalb der EU / EWR" is about having ones
primary residence in the EU.

Also "Diese leistungsordnung ist gultig ab 1 April 2020" is valid from
1 April 2020.

So they have changed their T&Cs. Under UK law we can cancel without penalty.

The UK, until 31st December or when BoJo decides, is still part of the EU.

Like so many things, it's difficult to know what is the result of
brexit and what is not. I'm not inviting political argument, just
reporting facts! It's possible that members living outside of the EU
and also those living in UK, are costing more to support than Germans
and other EU residents. Bringing a broken down motorhome back to the
UK involves an expensive ferry crossing. It's not just the cost of
the ferry, but the massive increase in staff time involved.

This prompts the question, why are ADAC inviting renewal for a complete year?

Too many organisations are expecting to receive income without
providing service in these difficult times. As an example the CCC
have said that they will extend ones membership period for the time
that their sites are closed. My membership expires on 29/05/2020.
However I've received notification that the next Direct Debit will be
taken on 29/05/2020.

So no extension of my membership then.

The CMC are now selling UK Club Site Vouchers for £100 with a face
value of £120, only valid until 31 December 2021. But will they 'buy'
20% more of site time at today's prices? Probably not as like all
businesses, their prices will increase after the lock-down ends. I am
budgeting for at least a 10% to 20% increase in prices in general.

Alan.


Re: ADAC Membership

simon
 

Renewed my membership yesterday without any problems.

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: Carol Weaver <corconx@...>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020, 20:40
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] ADAC Membership
This is getting more confusing as we all post.  

Sad really but I had been expecting something to come out of Brexit. 

But WHY are we all getting different letters

Alan when was it is your renewal?  BeRing in mind we have to give 3 months notice

Carol 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:37, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
I seem to have a different problem.
ADAC sent me an extra letter a couple of days ago but it mentioned nothing about next year’s membership. What it said was that ‘here is a kind of membership card for this year, just paper, not plastic. Please sign on the back. Also included is a plus booklet’
So now I have 31 pages of conditions in German and no idea as to whether they are trying to help me or are planning to Chuck me out.
I got my gold card a year or so ago and I only ever called them out once, for a blowout when on a German motorway when the traffic was so heavy and the hard shoulder so sloping that I didn’t dare going underneath the jacked up van until their mechanic used an extra jack to stabilise it allowing me to crawl under to get the wheel out whilst he watched me.

David
> On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:21, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Nigel. Green Flag noted for next year when my ADAC expires and
> I'll be looking.
>
> Tim
>
>> On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
>> Tim:
>>
>> We have subscribed to the ADAC recovery service mainly for our cars (the
>> first time in 15 years that we needed to call them out was a couple of
>> months ago - handled by the AA), we have recovery for our motorhome as
>> an add-on for our insurance (Saga).
>>
>> I did some shopping around prior to renewing with ADAC earlier in the
>> year and got a very competitive quote from Green Flag for our cars
>> (their call centre staff clearly have the ability to offer better rates
>> than quoted on their website).  We ended up renewing with ADAC as
>> although slightly more expensive it also covered us for the motorhome
>> should this be needed.
>>
>> I think we'll probably move to Green Flag for the cars (must be under 16
>> years old) on their 'Personal Cover Breakdown' as it's the person
>> covered not the car similar to ADAC.
>>
>> I think this subject will no doubt be discussed again when we all have
>> to renew or ADAC membership - or not!
>>
>> Nigel.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30/04/2020 16:49, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
>>> As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
>>> of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
>>> .....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~
>>> ....
>>> note not in UK, France etc.
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually
>>> chosen.




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Re: ADAC Membership

Carol Weaver
 

This is getting more confusing as we all post.  

Sad really but I had been expecting something to come out of Brexit. 

But WHY are we all getting different letters

Alan when was it is your renewal?  BeRing in mind we have to give 3 months notice

Carol 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:37, David Scholes <scholesd@...> wrote:
I seem to have a different problem.
ADAC sent me an extra letter a couple of days ago but it mentioned nothing about next year’s membership. What it said was that ‘here is a kind of membership card for this year, just paper, not plastic. Please sign on the back. Also included is a plus booklet’
So now I have 31 pages of conditions in German and no idea as to whether they are trying to help me or are planning to Chuck me out.
I got my gold card a year or so ago and I only ever called them out once, for a blowout when on a German motorway when the traffic was so heavy and the hard shoulder so sloping that I didn’t dare going underneath the jacked up van until their mechanic used an extra jack to stabilise it allowing me to crawl under to get the wheel out whilst he watched me.

David
> On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:21, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Nigel. Green Flag noted for next year when my ADAC expires and
> I'll be looking.
>
> Tim
>
>> On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
>> Tim:
>>
>> We have subscribed to the ADAC recovery service mainly for our cars (the
>> first time in 15 years that we needed to call them out was a couple of
>> months ago - handled by the AA), we have recovery for our motorhome as
>> an add-on for our insurance (Saga).
>>
>> I did some shopping around prior to renewing with ADAC earlier in the
>> year and got a very competitive quote from Green Flag for our cars
>> (their call centre staff clearly have the ability to offer better rates
>> than quoted on their website).  We ended up renewing with ADAC as
>> although slightly more expensive it also covered us for the motorhome
>> should this be needed.
>>
>> I think we'll probably move to Green Flag for the cars (must be under 16
>> years old) on their 'Personal Cover Breakdown' as it's the person
>> covered not the car similar to ADAC.
>>
>> I think this subject will no doubt be discussed again when we all have
>> to renew or ADAC membership - or not!
>>
>> Nigel.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30/04/2020 16:49, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
>>> As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
>>> of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
>>> .....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~
>>> ....
>>> note not in UK, France etc.
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually
>>> chosen.




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Re: ADAC Membership

Carol Weaver
 

Yes so we were. Except years ago the health cover that came with it cost more )due to our Medicaid) than with CCC. So we asked them to cancel it. Oh yes we had also wanted to up the 30 days to 60.  That made it too expensive 

Carol

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:05, Bennett Family <martin@...> wrote:
I seem to be covered by banking with Nationwide. Flex Plus Account.

Martin


On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:20, Carol Weaver via groups.io <corconx=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:


Well our car insurance has also been renewed without breakdown and runs until mid April next year. So 6 weeks without cover ☹️

Motorhome insurance is due 17/5 so that would be short of breakdown cover for 2 months - one of which we would )hopefully) be away. So think I had better add it in this year.  

Anyone any thoughts?  It’s this coming week when I start searching for costs.  

Carol

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 16:49, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
.....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~ ....
note not in UK, France etc.

Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually chosen.

Tim


On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
> Ahh - the PLUS relates to the additional family member.
>
> As we use ADAC for both our cars looks like we'll have to look elsewhere
> at the next renewal time.
>
> Nigel.
>
> On 30/04/2020 15:40, Carol Weaver wrote:
>> Just got mine too.  Mine says from 01/03/2021. So for a year we have
>> cover
>>
>> Here is translation:
>>
>> ADAC Munich, April 17th, 2020 Membership Service Tel +49 89 76 76 38
>> 00 mitiedererservice@... <mailto:mitiedererservice@...> ADAC
>> eV Membership & Insurance
>>
>> Tr9 6et St Columb GREAT BRITAIN
>>
>> Member number: 469527336 Changeover to ADAC membership without pluses
>>  - Services
>>
>> Dear Ms. Weaver, as you know as an interested ADAC member, the ADAC
>> focuses its mobility services in particular on its more than 21
>> million members based in Germany in order to provide them with the
>> best offers and services worldwide.  In view of the fact that the
>> complexity of the legal requirements that have to be met in connection
>> with the provision of services, especially for Plus members residing
>> abroad, we have decided that Plus services in the context of ADAC
>> membership will only be for members in the future  with residence in
>> Germany.  Therefore we will change your ADAC Plus membership (and
>> possibly existing partnerships of partners / children) from 01.03.21
>> to a membership without plus benefits.  Nevertheless, you will
>> continue to be protected within the framework of your classic ADAC
>> membership, for which you will of course pay a correspondingly cheaper
>> membership fee.  The services associated with classic ADAC membership,
>> such as breakdown assistance in Germany, legal advice, ADAC Tourset or
>> the ADAC benefit program, remain the same for you.  If your main
>> residence is in Germany and does not correspond to the address given
>> above, please let us know the address of your main residence in
>> Germany.  Kind regards Michael Dern Head of Members Individual Topics
>> & Last Level Service (MIL) This letter was created by machine and is
>> valid without a signature.  Please note the back
>>
>> (Courtesy of Google Translate)
>>
>> Obviously as no German Address we lose Plus. So when insurance due
>> next year I’ll add breakdown
>>
>> So as ours was renewed 1/3/20. We are ok this year
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 15:34, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...
>> <mailto:timsinc@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 30/04/2020, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...
>>     <mailto:andyclarke1050@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     > A rough translation indicates that, from 1/9/20 the PLUS
>>     membership will no
>>     > longer apply if you do not have an address in Germany.
>>     Effectively this
>>     > means that we will not get any benefits from continuing
>>     membership as the
>>     > breakdown cover will only apply in Germany. I'll be cancelling
>>     our renewal.
>>
>>     ... and if you have the ordinary membership (not PLUS) ?
>>
>>     Renewed mine a month ago. I've paid for 12 months of service. So they
>>     can just break the contract? Not deliver what I've paid for?
>>
>>     Sorry, guess these questions should be directed at ADAC, not any of
>> us
>>     coping with a foreign language.
>>
>>     Tim
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ADAC Membership

John Inman
 

We let our adac membership lapse in between motorhomes  so unable to renew ended up going back to britannia rescue very competative via our csma boundless membership 


On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, 18:37 David Scholes, <scholesd@...> wrote:
I seem to have a different problem.
ADAC sent me an extra letter a couple of days ago but it mentioned nothing about next year’s membership. What it said was that ‘here is a kind of membership card for this year, just paper, not plastic. Please sign on the back. Also included is a plus booklet’
So now I have 31 pages of conditions in German and no idea as to whether they are trying to help me or are planning to Chuck me out.
I got my gold card a year or so ago and I only ever called them out once, for a blowout when on a German motorway when the traffic was so heavy and the hard shoulder so sloping that I didn’t dare going underneath the jacked up van until their mechanic used an extra jack to stabilise it allowing me to crawl under to get the wheel out whilst he watched me.

David
> On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:21, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Nigel. Green Flag noted for next year when my ADAC expires and
> I'll be looking.
>
> Tim
>
>> On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
>> Tim:
>>
>> We have subscribed to the ADAC recovery service mainly for our cars (the
>> first time in 15 years that we needed to call them out was a couple of
>> months ago - handled by the AA), we have recovery for our motorhome as
>> an add-on for our insurance (Saga).
>>
>> I did some shopping around prior to renewing with ADAC earlier in the
>> year and got a very competitive quote from Green Flag for our cars
>> (their call centre staff clearly have the ability to offer better rates
>> than quoted on their website).  We ended up renewing with ADAC as
>> although slightly more expensive it also covered us for the motorhome
>> should this be needed.
>>
>> I think we'll probably move to Green Flag for the cars (must be under 16
>> years old) on their 'Personal Cover Breakdown' as it's the person
>> covered not the car similar to ADAC.
>>
>> I think this subject will no doubt be discussed again when we all have
>> to renew or ADAC membership - or not!
>>
>> Nigel.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30/04/2020 16:49, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
>>> As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
>>> of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
>>> .....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~
>>> ....
>>> note not in UK, France etc.
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually
>>> chosen.





German Road Law Changes

Bennett Family
 

Copied from the Carthago Owners FB group. 




Re: Ferries to Crete anyone?

Bennett Family
 

> AGIA GALINI: N35.09548 E24.68844. Parking at harbour, water available. Camping No Problem N35.10460 E24.69528. We paid €18 per night including electric and wifi. Excellent taverna on site with very reasonably priced menus.

My sister-in-law has been living in Agia Galini for the last 6 or 7 years living close to Camping No Problem whose name always appealed to me. Having said that she’s currently in France, but will be heading back. Our plan is to go there in the van at some stage when “no problem” applies!

Martin


On 30 Apr 2020, at 13:02, don.madge via groups.io <don.madge@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,
We toured Crete in 2010 had a great time. you might find some of the info useful. Good luck with your trip.
Don

The Cretan Crawl 2010 PDF Printable Version E-mail

 

THE CRETAN CRAWL

Don Madge
May 2010

This is Don's account of a 41-day, 1,097-mile motorhome tour of Crete from 21 March to 30 April 2010. Don travelled with Maureen in their Timberland Camper.

In our crawl around Crete we clocked 1,097 miles in 41 days. We circled the island in a clockwise direction starting at Heraklion. The places are listed below as we found them; we either stayed overnight, lunch stopped or checked their suitability for night stops or longer stays. As we are loners/isolationists, some of the places are remote mountain stops or secluded beaches.

We only used two campsites (Camping Greta and Camping No Problem), both of which were found adequate but a bit pricy for the facilities they offered. We paid €120 site fees for seven nights and free camped for 33 nights with no problems at all, except for one night when we were parked on a high cliff and the wind became troublesome!!!!! We relocated in a valley by a river - still windy but much safer.

We have not listed all the ancient sites as these are readily available in guides like the Lonely Planet. The ones we have listed are suitable for overnight stops. We have also listed watering holes that have space for a motorhome to fill up safely, large supermarkets and service stations selling LPG.

The ferries for Crete depart from the port of Piraeus (Athens), which is a huge place. For Crete sailings you enter by Gate E3 (N37.94514 E23.63495). Wifi is available on the port complex.

HERAKLION PORT: N35.34167 E25.14551. We spent the first and last night on the port area, parked next to the port police building. There is wifi available at the café in the passenger terminal and, parked in the vicinity of the port police building, we got a good signal in the van.

GOUVES: N35.3329 E25.29182. Camping Greta. We spent three nights at the site (€16 per night) as we found the 1,170 mile journey from Turkey rather tiring.

PLAKA: N35.30231 E25.72644. A small fishing village 10 miles north of Agios Nikolaos. There is a large car park at the far end (north) of the village with sea views. There are fish tavernas with a water-front setting. 

AGIOS NIKOLAOS: Lidl. N35.18008 E25.69293

ISTRON: Small village with supermarket and tavernas. Water N35.13115 E25.71582. Karavostasi beach signed on west of village: a long beach with plenty of parking space.

THOLOS. N35.15239 E25.86093. Small bay with taverna, fair amount of parking area. The turn off the main road at Kavousi is at an acute angle and is best approached from the west.

MOHLOS. N35.15240 E25.86093. Small ex-fishing village, many fish tavernas. Only parking available in field car park, not suitable for motorhomes over 6 metres due to narrow streets and tight turns. Water available at church at the junction of the E75 and turn off for Mochlos. N35.15771 E25.89439

SITIA: Lidl. N35.20208 E26.08597

MONI TOPLOU MONASTERY: N35.22096 E26.2157. Large car park ideal for overnight stop.

AS FAR NORTH AS YOU CAN GO IN CRETE: N35.28792 E26.29032. Overnight stop on a narrow strip of land between two bays. This is one of the most isolated spots that we have stayed at.

ITANOS RUINS: N35.26406 E26.26184. Secluded sandy/shingle beach - plenty of parking but not right on the beach.

VAI PALM BEACH: N35.25292 E26.26472. Quite a nice sandy beach with palms - plenty of parking behind beach out of season. Obviously marketed as a tourist attraction and would be very crowded at times. Definitely not our scene.

KOUREMENOS BEACH: N35.21485 E26.26751. Long beach good for windsurfing. Small harbour at one end, OK for overnight stop at harbour.

HIONA BEACH: N35.19760 E26.27650. Small bay with fish tavernas on beach. OK for overnight stop.

ZAKROS: N35.09697 E26.23525. Water tap is situated by the footpath at the start of the Zakros gorge walk. There is a water tap on edge of village but there is a parking problem as the road is narrow.

KATO ZAKROS: N35.09598 E26.26318. Shingle beach with fish tavernas. Parking is quite limited.

XEROKOMBOS: N35.04049 E26.23273. Ambelos (north) beach - small remote beach with limited parking. N35.03648 E26.72042. Mazidas (south) beach - large remote beach with limited parking, good for wind surfing.  

MONI KAPSA MONASTERY: N35.01978 E26.05136. Water at the end of the Perivolakia Gorge below the monastery. There are several spots that are convenient for a night stop between Moni Kapsa and Goudouras.

IERAPETRA: N35.01539 E25.74434. Lidl. N35.01166 E25.74980. APIADNH (ARIADNE) Supermarket. Parking for motorhomes is limited at these stores. Water at War Memorial on E97 about 13 miles west of Mirtos N35.03904 E25.44295. Water on road between Ano Vianos and Keratokambas at N35.01492 E25.41388 and N.35.00304 E25.39094. There are two or three water taps in Keratokambos/Kastri. Night stop in Keratokambos/Kastri behind church N34.99663 E25.36946.

TSOUTOUROS: N34.98550 E25.28665. Small fishing village with fish tavernas and small harbour with water available - good for overnight stop.

MATALLA: N34.99384 E24.75081. Very touristy, reasonable parking out of season. It is an attractive bay with caves in the cliffs and a good beach, but its fame is more due to the occupation of the caves by the Hippies of the 1970's.

KOMMOS BEACH: N35.01240 E24.76039. Good overnight stop but limited parking.

KAMILARI: N35.03192 E24.79078. Water tap situated in the square.

KALAMAKI VILLAGE: N35.02946 E24.75866. Limited parking at beach, several fish tavernas.

AGIA GALINI: N35.09548 E24.68844. Parking at harbour, water available. Camping No Problem N35.10460 E24.69528. We paid €18 per night including electric and wifi. Excellent taverna on site with very reasonably priced menus.

AGIOS PAVLOS: N35.10331 E24.56367. Secluded beach with bar but very narrow roads in the villages to get there. Suitable for overnight stop.

SPILI: N35.21818 E24.53515. Large, mostly sloping, car park with water and toilets suitable for overnight stop. Water N35.20461 E24.54331, 1 mile south of Spili on right.

MONI PREVELI MONASTERY: N35.15712 E24.45770. Large car park suitable for overnight stop. N35.15656 E24.46453. War memorial car park suitable for overnight stop, 1 mile from the monastery.

PLAKIAS: N35.18608 E24.39955. Long beach suitable for overnight stop.

FRANGOKASTELLE: N35.18253 E24.23475. Castle car park suitable for overnight stop.

KOUTELOS BEACH: N35.20014 E24.18992. Secluded beach suitable for overnight stop.

HORA SFAKION: N35.19893 E24.13894. Excellent night stop on commercial quay. Water available on quay. Tavernas around village harbour.

FILLIPOS: N35.36481 E24.19882. Water at church/cemetery.

SOUDA BAY: N35.50028 E24.05988. British war cemetery, well worth a visit, parking limited.

STAVROS: N35.59209 E24.09175. Good overnight stop on beach. N35.52620 E24.07245. Spar supermarket with large car park on Stavros – Hania road.

AGIA: N3547348 E23.93343. Water in front of church, wooded parking beside church.

LAKKI: N35.39687 E23.94133. Water tap in village square.

SAMARIA GORGE: N35.30828 E23.91801. We spent the night in the large car park at the entrance to the Samaria Gorge at an altitude of 2250 metres (?).

DERES/NTERES: N35.41970 E23.84729. Water tap. Also two other water points in village.

KOLIMBARI: N35.54097 E23.78689. Ideal for overnight stops. N35.54629 E23.77817. Harbour area excellent stop-over, water available.

TOPOLIANO GORGE: N35.41852 E23.68697. Gorge viewing area suitable for a night stop.

PALEOHORA: Night stop in harbour area and general vicinity. Fair size town with supermarkets. There's a 2 ton weight limit in the town centre. There's a bypass (of sorts): as you approach from the north the bypass goes off to the right. When we were there the sign had been obliterated by gun fire. Follow the Camping Grameno signs and then turn left when you get to the sea.

KOUNTOURA: N35.23447 E23.63818. Grameno beach, good for night stops or longer.

KAVALARIANA: N35.32845 E23.75249. Water - this is a spring not a tap.

SOUGIA: N35.24775 E23.80855. Excellent place for night stops or longer. There's a long beach with a harbour to the west and to the east plenty of parking on the beach. There's water at the harbour and at the east beach as well. There are tavernas and a supermarket in the village centre. This is an ideal spot to have some R&R. The local tavernas are good value and some have wifi as well.

VATHI: N35.35869 E23.59347. Water tap in village square.

ELAFONISI: N35.27522 E23.54432. Beautiful sandy beach with ample parking space but the last 400 metres is a very rough track, making it unsuitable for vans with a long rear overhang or vans with low ground clearance. Some of the available parking is difficult to access. The easy parking area is part of a nature reserve where overnight stays are forbidden. Excellent beach for windsurfing.

PAPADIANA: N35.36239 E23.58997. Water tap.

KERAMOTI: N35.37013 E23.56233. Water tap.

KAMPOS: N35.39082 E23.57386. Water tap in village square.

SFINARI: N35.41566 E23.56150. Shingle beach and about three fish tavernas. Limited parking.

PLATANOS: N35.46404 E23.59910. Water tap in village.

KISSAMOS: N35.49762 E23.64785. Carrefour Supermarket. Parking not suitable for large motorhomes.

FALASARNA: N35.47588 E23.56473. Long sandy/rocky beach, several coves, plenty of parking and suitable for long stays.

GEORGIOUPOLI: N35.36379 E24.26123. A fair sized village, a bit touristy. Parking in sea view car park. There is also additional parking around the harbour area.

LAKE KOURNAS: N35.33273 E24.28049. Limited parking around the lake, with many tavernas which are very busy on a weekend if the weather is fine.

RETHIMNO: N35.36231 E24.44526. Lidl Supermarket.

LASITHI PLATEAU: There are several free parking spots on the Plateau. Also there are many tavernas with parking areas if one uses their services. We stayed on a piece of waste ground at N35.18119 E25.50204 as we were quite late getting to the Plateau. The plateau is about 900 metres altitude.

KNOSSOS: N35.29960 E25.16225. Knossos ancient site. Large car park suitable for overnight stop.

OBSERVATIONS

This information applies to the time we were in Crete (21 March to 30 April 2010). During that period Orthodox and non-Orthodox Easter (2-4 April) fell on the same weekend. There were not the crowds that we expected, in fact it has been fairly quiet all round.

LPG: Before we left Athens we topped up our LPG bottle at the BP filling station at N37.99304 E23.69742, as auto gas is hard to come by in Crete. There are only two outlets selling LPG on Crete, one in Heraklion and the other in Galatos near Hania, both with the claw gun dispenser. It was a very stressful experience locating them as the GPS co-ordinates I got from the web were way out.

The Galatos outlet is an EKO service station. They had no additional adapters.  

Galatos. EKO. N35.49961 E23.96641. LPG is €1.04 per litre.

The Heraklion outlet is an Avin service station, where they had additional adapters so might be able to refill other bottles.

Heraklion. Avin. N35.30461 E25.11587. LPG was €0.95 per litre

ROADS: We found the roads to be in a lot better condition than we expected. There's one big drawback: many of the roads are very narrow going through some towns and villages, so if you are not happy with manoeuvring your van in confined spaces or are not happy driving on narrow mountain roads, Crete might not be for you. I know some drivers are very reluctant to use first gear on mountain roads but in Crete it is a necessity in places. In many tight spots there are large mirrors situated so you can see if the road around the corner is clear.

Road signing is a nightmare in many places. Usually the direction signs appear first in Greek and then in English. That works out OK except, like Corsica, the Cretans use the road signs as target practice and often make reading the sign almost impossible. Even with the Sat Nav and a good map we had problems. We used the Marco Polo map of Crete.

The E75 main northern coast road that runs from Hania to Sitia can be a very dangerous road. It changes from single carriageway to dual carriageway and back again with no warning at all.

WATER: At the water sources we have recorded there is sufficient room for an average motorhome to stop.

FREE CAMPING: We found it was not a problem free camping on the island. There were many no camping signs but they just showed a caravan and tent. Anyway the Greeks never bother - if they want to camp they just do it. However, I think it would be impossible in June, July and August to free camp in some of the places we used.

WEATHER: It was sunny and warm most of the time, sometimes windy. Average daytime temperature was 22C. It rained a couple of times overnight. All in all the weather was very good.

PRICES: Greece is no longer a cheap option for a holiday. On Crete we paid €1.28 for a litre of diesel, about €1 for a loaf of bread. On the mainland diesel was €1.20 per litre. In Athens LPG was €0.69 per litre.

ATM's: There were plenty of ATM's, mainly in the towns and villages that were large enough to support a bank. There were also ATM's at some of the larger supermarkets.

CREDIT CARDS: We found that most of the larger supermarkets were taking the plastic but at many service stations it was cash only. Some tavernas were accepting the plastic.

FERRY: We departed Crete as we arrived, on the Minoan day sailing; this saves the cost of a cabin on the night sailing. We also had two nights free parking on Heraklion port.

We arrived at Piraeus at 1815 hrs and decided to stay the night on the port area before heading north for Albania.

If I can be of any help regarding Crete please get in touch.

Safe travelling

Don


 


Re: ADAC Membership

Bennett Family
 

I seem to be covered by banking with Nationwide. Flex Plus Account.

Martin


On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:20, Carol Weaver via groups.io <corconx@...> wrote:


Well our car insurance has also been renewed without breakdown and runs until mid April next year. So 6 weeks without cover ☹️

Motorhome insurance is due 17/5 so that would be short of breakdown cover for 2 months - one of which we would )hopefully) be away. So think I had better add it in this year.  

Anyone any thoughts?  It’s this coming week when I start searching for costs.  

Carol

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 16:49, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
.....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~ ....
note not in UK, France etc.

Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually chosen.

Tim


On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
> Ahh - the PLUS relates to the additional family member.
>
> As we use ADAC for both our cars looks like we'll have to look elsewhere
> at the next renewal time.
>
> Nigel.
>
> On 30/04/2020 15:40, Carol Weaver wrote:
>> Just got mine too.  Mine says from 01/03/2021. So for a year we have
>> cover
>>
>> Here is translation:
>>
>> ADAC Munich, April 17th, 2020 Membership Service Tel +49 89 76 76 38
>> 00 mitiedererservice@... <mailto:mitiedererservice@...> ADAC
>> eV Membership & Insurance
>>
>> Tr9 6et St Columb GREAT BRITAIN
>>
>> Member number: 469527336 Changeover to ADAC membership without pluses
>>  - Services
>>
>> Dear Ms. Weaver, as you know as an interested ADAC member, the ADAC
>> focuses its mobility services in particular on its more than 21
>> million members based in Germany in order to provide them with the
>> best offers and services worldwide.  In view of the fact that the
>> complexity of the legal requirements that have to be met in connection
>> with the provision of services, especially for Plus members residing
>> abroad, we have decided that Plus services in the context of ADAC
>> membership will only be for members in the future  with residence in
>> Germany.  Therefore we will change your ADAC Plus membership (and
>> possibly existing partnerships of partners / children) from 01.03.21
>> to a membership without plus benefits.  Nevertheless, you will
>> continue to be protected within the framework of your classic ADAC
>> membership, for which you will of course pay a correspondingly cheaper
>> membership fee.  The services associated with classic ADAC membership,
>> such as breakdown assistance in Germany, legal advice, ADAC Tourset or
>> the ADAC benefit program, remain the same for you.  If your main
>> residence is in Germany and does not correspond to the address given
>> above, please let us know the address of your main residence in
>> Germany.  Kind regards Michael Dern Head of Members Individual Topics
>> & Last Level Service (MIL) This letter was created by machine and is
>> valid without a signature.  Please note the back
>>
>> (Courtesy of Google Translate)
>>
>> Obviously as no German Address we lose Plus. So when insurance due
>> next year I’ll add breakdown
>>
>> So as ours was renewed 1/3/20. We are ok this year
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 15:34, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...
>> <mailto:timsinc@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 30/04/2020, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...
>>     <mailto:andyclarke1050@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     > A rough translation indicates that, from 1/9/20 the PLUS
>>     membership will no
>>     > longer apply if you do not have an address in Germany.
>>     Effectively this
>>     > means that we will not get any benefits from continuing
>>     membership as the
>>     > breakdown cover will only apply in Germany. I'll be cancelling
>>     our renewal.
>>
>>     ... and if you have the ordinary membership (not PLUS) ?
>>
>>     Renewed mine a month ago. I've paid for 12 months of service. So they
>>     can just break the contract? Not deliver what I've paid for?
>>
>>     Sorry, guess these questions should be directed at ADAC, not any of
>> us
>>     coping with a foreign language.
>>
>>     Tim
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: ADAC Membership

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 17:37, David Scholes <scholesd@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

I seem to have a different problem.
ADAC sent me an extra letter a couple of days ago but it mentioned nothing about next year’s membership. What it said was that ‘here is a kind of membership card for this year, just paper, not plastic. Please sign on the back. Also included is a plus booklet’
Today I received two envelopes from ADAC, slightly different. My wife
has not had the time to read them.

Alan


Re: ADAC Membership

David Scholes
 

I seem to have a different problem.
ADAC sent me an extra letter a couple of days ago but it mentioned nothing about next year’s membership. What it said was that ‘here is a kind of membership card for this year, just paper, not plastic. Please sign on the back. Also included is a plus booklet’
So now I have 31 pages of conditions in German and no idea as to whether they are trying to help me or are planning to Chuck me out.
I got my gold card a year or so ago and I only ever called them out once, for a blowout when on a German motorway when the traffic was so heavy and the hard shoulder so sloping that I didn’t dare going underneath the jacked up van until their mechanic used an extra jack to stabilise it allowing me to crawl under to get the wheel out whilst he watched me.

David

On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:21, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Nigel. Green Flag noted for next year when my ADAC expires and
I'll be looking.

Tim

On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk> wrote:
Tim:

We have subscribed to the ADAC recovery service mainly for our cars (the
first time in 15 years that we needed to call them out was a couple of
months ago - handled by the AA), we have recovery for our motorhome as
an add-on for our insurance (Saga).

I did some shopping around prior to renewing with ADAC earlier in the
year and got a very competitive quote from Green Flag for our cars
(their call centre staff clearly have the ability to offer better rates
than quoted on their website). We ended up renewing with ADAC as
although slightly more expensive it also covered us for the motorhome
should this be needed.

I think we'll probably move to Green Flag for the cars (must be under 16
years old) on their 'Personal Cover Breakdown' as it's the person
covered not the car similar to ADAC.

I think this subject will no doubt be discussed again when we all have
to renew or ADAC membership - or not!

Nigel.



On 30/04/2020 16:49, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
.....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~
....
note not in UK, France etc.

Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually
chosen.


Re: ADAC Membership

Carol Weaver
 

Will do thank you

C

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 17:22, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
Carol:  see my previous post on Green Flag.  Got a better deal over the phone than on their website.

Nigel.

On 30/04/2020 17:19, Carol Weaver wrote:
Well our car insurance has also been renewed without breakdown and runs until mid April next year. So 6 weeks without cover ☹️

Motorhome insurance is due 17/5 so that would be short of breakdown cover for 2 months - one of which we would )hopefully) be away. So think I had better add it in this year.  

Anyone any thoughts?  It’s this coming week when I start searching for costs.  

Carol

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 16:49, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
.....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~ ....
note not in UK, France etc.

Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually chosen.

Tim


On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
> Ahh - the PLUS relates to the additional family member.
>
> As we use ADAC for both our cars looks like we'll have to look elsewhere
> at the next renewal time.
>
> Nigel.
>
> On 30/04/2020 15:40, Carol Weaver wrote:
>> Just got mine too.  Mine says from 01/03/2021. So for a year we have
>> cover
>>
>> Here is translation:
>>
>> ADAC Munich, April 17th, 2020 Membership Service Tel +49 89 76 76 38
>> 00 mitiedererservice@... <mailto:mitiedererservice@...> ADAC
>> eV Membership & Insurance
>>
>> Tr9 6et St Columb GREAT BRITAIN
>>
>> Member number: 469527336 Changeover to ADAC membership without pluses
>>  - Services
>>
>> Dear Ms. Weaver, as you know as an interested ADAC member, the ADAC
>> focuses its mobility services in particular on its more than 21
>> million members based in Germany in order to provide them with the
>> best offers and services worldwide.  In view of the fact that the
>> complexity of the legal requirements that have to be met in connection
>> with the provision of services, especially for Plus members residing
>> abroad, we have decided that Plus services in the context of ADAC
>> membership will only be for members in the future  with residence in
>> Germany.  Therefore we will change your ADAC Plus membership (and
>> possibly existing partnerships of partners / children) from 01.03.21
>> to a membership without plus benefits.  Nevertheless, you will
>> continue to be protected within the framework of your classic ADAC
>> membership, for which you will of course pay a correspondingly cheaper
>> membership fee.  The services associated with classic ADAC membership,
>> such as breakdown assistance in Germany, legal advice, ADAC Tourset or
>> the ADAC benefit program, remain the same for you.  If your main
>> residence is in Germany and does not correspond to the address given
>> above, please let us know the address of your main residence in
>> Germany.  Kind regards Michael Dern Head of Members Individual Topics
>> & Last Level Service (MIL) This letter was created by machine and is
>> valid without a signature.  Please note the back
>>
>> (Courtesy of Google Translate)
>>
>> Obviously as no German Address we lose Plus. So when insurance due
>> next year I’ll add breakdown
>>
>> So as ours was renewed 1/3/20. We are ok this year
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 15:34, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...
>> <mailto:timsinc@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 30/04/2020, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...
>>     <mailto:andyclarke1050@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     > A rough translation indicates that, from 1/9/20 the PLUS
>>     membership will no
>>     > longer apply if you do not have an address in Germany.
>>     Effectively this
>>     > means that we will not get any benefits from continuing
>>     membership as the
>>     > breakdown cover will only apply in Germany. I'll be cancelling
>>     our renewal.
>>
>>     ... and if you have the ordinary membership (not PLUS) ?
>>
>>     Renewed mine a month ago. I've paid for 12 months of service. So they
>>     can just break the contract? Not deliver what I've paid for?
>>
>>     Sorry, guess these questions should be directed at ADAC, not any of
>> us
>>     coping with a foreign language.
>>
>>     Tim
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ADAC Membership

Nigel Owen
 

Carol:  see my previous post on Green Flag.  Got a better deal over the phone than on their website.

Nigel.

On 30/04/2020 17:19, Carol Weaver wrote:
Well our car insurance has also been renewed without breakdown and runs until mid April next year. So 6 weeks without cover ☹️

Motorhome insurance is due 17/5 so that would be short of breakdown cover for 2 months - one of which we would )hopefully) be away. So think I had better add it in this year.  

Anyone any thoughts?  It’s this coming week when I start searching for costs.  

Carol

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 16:49, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
.....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~ ....
note not in UK, France etc.

Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually chosen.

Tim


On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@...> wrote:
> Ahh - the PLUS relates to the additional family member.
>
> As we use ADAC for both our cars looks like we'll have to look elsewhere
> at the next renewal time.
>
> Nigel.
>
> On 30/04/2020 15:40, Carol Weaver wrote:
>> Just got mine too.  Mine says from 01/03/2021. So for a year we have
>> cover
>>
>> Here is translation:
>>
>> ADAC Munich, April 17th, 2020 Membership Service Tel +49 89 76 76 38
>> 00 mitiedererservice@... <mailto:mitiedererservice@...> ADAC
>> eV Membership & Insurance
>>
>> Tr9 6et St Columb GREAT BRITAIN
>>
>> Member number: 469527336 Changeover to ADAC membership without pluses
>>  - Services
>>
>> Dear Ms. Weaver, as you know as an interested ADAC member, the ADAC
>> focuses its mobility services in particular on its more than 21
>> million members based in Germany in order to provide them with the
>> best offers and services worldwide.  In view of the fact that the
>> complexity of the legal requirements that have to be met in connection
>> with the provision of services, especially for Plus members residing
>> abroad, we have decided that Plus services in the context of ADAC
>> membership will only be for members in the future  with residence in
>> Germany.  Therefore we will change your ADAC Plus membership (and
>> possibly existing partnerships of partners / children) from 01.03.21
>> to a membership without plus benefits.  Nevertheless, you will
>> continue to be protected within the framework of your classic ADAC
>> membership, for which you will of course pay a correspondingly cheaper
>> membership fee.  The services associated with classic ADAC membership,
>> such as breakdown assistance in Germany, legal advice, ADAC Tourset or
>> the ADAC benefit program, remain the same for you.  If your main
>> residence is in Germany and does not correspond to the address given
>> above, please let us know the address of your main residence in
>> Germany.  Kind regards Michael Dern Head of Members Individual Topics
>> & Last Level Service (MIL) This letter was created by machine and is
>> valid without a signature.  Please note the back
>>
>> (Courtesy of Google Translate)
>>
>> Obviously as no German Address we lose Plus. So when insurance due
>> next year I’ll add breakdown
>>
>> So as ours was renewed 1/3/20. We are ok this year
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 15:34, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...
>> <mailto:timsinc@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 30/04/2020, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@...
>>     <mailto:andyclarke1050@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     > A rough translation indicates that, from 1/9/20 the PLUS
>>     membership will no
>>     > longer apply if you do not have an address in Germany.
>>     Effectively this
>>     > means that we will not get any benefits from continuing
>>     membership as the
>>     > breakdown cover will only apply in Germany. I'll be cancelling
>>     our renewal.
>>
>>     ... and if you have the ordinary membership (not PLUS) ?
>>
>>     Renewed mine a month ago. I've paid for 12 months of service. So they
>>     can just break the contract? Not deliver what I've paid for?
>>
>>     Sorry, guess these questions should be directed at ADAC, not any of
>> us
>>     coping with a foreign language.
>>
>>     Tim
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ADAC Membership

timsinc Sinclair
 

Thanks, Nigel. Green Flag noted for next year when my ADAC expires and
I'll be looking.

Tim

On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk> wrote:
Tim:

We have subscribed to the ADAC recovery service mainly for our cars (the
first time in 15 years that we needed to call them out was a couple of
months ago - handled by the AA), we have recovery for our motorhome as
an add-on for our insurance (Saga).

I did some shopping around prior to renewing with ADAC earlier in the
year and got a very competitive quote from Green Flag for our cars
(their call centre staff clearly have the ability to offer better rates
than quoted on their website). We ended up renewing with ADAC as
although slightly more expensive it also covered us for the motorhome
should this be needed.

I think we'll probably move to Green Flag for the cars (must be under 16
years old) on their 'Personal Cover Breakdown' as it's the person
covered not the car similar to ADAC.

I think this subject will no doubt be discussed again when we all have
to renew or ADAC membership - or not!

Nigel.



On 30/04/2020 16:49, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
As we all, Nigel, will look, I'm sure, for an alternative come the end
of our year's contract, especially reading in Carol's translation:
.....classic ADAC membership, such as breakdown assistance ~in Germany~
....
note not in UK, France etc.

Will be interesting to hear from all which alternative is eventually
chosen.

Tim


On 30/04/2020, Nigel Owen <nigel@nigelowen.co.uk> wrote:
Ahh - the PLUS relates to the additional family member.

As we use ADAC for both our cars looks like we'll have to look elsewhere
at the next renewal time.

Nigel.

On 30/04/2020 15:40, Carol Weaver wrote:
Just got mine too. Mine says from 01/03/2021. So for a year we have
cover

Here is translation:

ADAC Munich, April 17th, 2020 Membership Service Tel +49 89 76 76 38
00 mitiedererservice@adac.de <mailto:mitiedererservice@adac.de> ADAC
eV Membership & Insurance

Tr9 6et St Columb GREAT BRITAIN

Member number: 469527336 Changeover to ADAC membership without pluses
- Services

Dear Ms. Weaver, as you know as an interested ADAC member, the ADAC
focuses its mobility services in particular on its more than 21
million members based in Germany in order to provide them with the
best offers and services worldwide. In view of the fact that the
complexity of the legal requirements that have to be met in connection
with the provision of services, especially for Plus members residing
abroad, we have decided that Plus services in the context of ADAC
membership will only be for members in the future with residence in
Germany. Therefore we will change your ADAC Plus membership (and
possibly existing partnerships of partners / children) from 01.03.21
to a membership without plus benefits. Nevertheless, you will
continue to be protected within the framework of your classic ADAC
membership, for which you will of course pay a correspondingly cheaper
membership fee. The services associated with classic ADAC membership,
such as breakdown assistance in Germany, legal advice, ADAC Tourset or
the ADAC benefit program, remain the same for you. If your main
residence is in Germany and does not correspond to the address given
above, please let us know the address of your main residence in
Germany. Kind regards Michael Dern Head of Members Individual Topics
& Last Level Service (MIL) This letter was created by machine and is
valid without a signature. Please note the back

(Courtesy of Google Translate)

Obviously as no German Address we lose Plus. So when insurance due
next year I’ll add breakdown

So as ours was renewed 1/3/20. We are ok this year

Carol

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 15:34, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com
<mailto:timsinc@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 30/04/2020, Andy Clarke <andyclarke1050@gmail.com
<mailto:andyclarke1050@gmail.com>> wrote:

> A rough translation indicates that, from 1/9/20 the PLUS
membership will no
> longer apply if you do not have an address in Germany.
Effectively this
> means that we will not get any benefits from continuing
membership as the
> breakdown cover will only apply in Germany. I'll be cancelling
our renewal.

... and if you have the ordinary membership (not PLUS) ?

Renewed mine a month ago. I've paid for 12 months of service. So
they
can just break the contract? Not deliver what I've paid for?

Sorry, guess these questions should be directed at ADAC, not any
of
us
coping with a foreign language.

Tim



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