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Advice Wanted on Spring East Europe Trip - Cvirus permitting!

Derek Sims
 

We're taking the ferry from Poole to St. Helier early in April (New granddaughter expected), and from there to St. Malo mid-April. From there we hope to travel eastward to finish, hopefully, in Slovenia and Croatia. We have just under 3 months available for the whole trip. We'll be doing it in our Hymervan 314, (5.45m, 3.5T).
 
We would appreciate any advice on best choice of route, any special regulations we need to abide by, passes/vignettes required before the journey. We've travelled in France, although not alpine France, and passed through Switzerland in our 3.8T 'van, but not through Austria, Slovenia or Croattia. Does anyone have a list of good stopping spots, must-see locations, etc. I had thought of travelling through Northern Italy because I've never been to Venice, but I guess that won't be possible if the current situation continues.
 
's reaAs we're not particularly restricted for time, we're happy to avoid toll motorways, particularly if it saves buying an annual vignette. And, if Ernie's reading this, Via Michelin told me it couln't calculate a route from Saint-Malo to Dubrovnik. Incidentally, has anyone driven through the short length of Bosnia that separates the two parts of Croatio, or did you take a ferry to bridge the gap? If you drove it, how did you manage with insuranve?
 
We have ordered the French Crit'air sticker and the German one. Are we likely to need any for the other countries we'd be passing through.
 
Obviously I'll be looking at websites for some of the above information, but I know the List is a treasure trove of valuable information.
 
Thanks in anticipation for your help
 
Derek
 
 


Re: Fiat base vehicle extended warranty

Alan Morris
 

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 15:33, Derek Sims <derek.sims@gmx.com> wrote:

We bought a new Hymercar Ayer's Rock in 2017 and subsequenntly traded it in last year when we found we just couldn't live with the appallingly poor insulation.
We found the same problem in our Hymer "proper" motorhome. New in
2017, it's insulation was poorer than a 2005 body built by Tischer - a
German company.

Alan.


Re: Fiat base vehicle extended warranty

Derek Sims
 

Hi Brent
 
Have you checked the details of your Fiat warranty on your new vehicle? We bought a new Hymercar Ayer's Rock in 2017 and subsequenntly traded it in last year when we found we just couldn't live with the appallingly poor insulation. We bought (from a different dealer - once bitten, twice very shy), a new Hymervan 314, (similar size, but a "proper" motorhome). In both cases the vehicles came with a 3 year Fiat Warranty, including free recovery, the only condition being that any specified servicing is carried out as required, (not at the annual Habitation Check intervals required for the Hymer Warranty). We weren't asked to pay anything extra for these warranty periods, so I assumed this was standard for a Ducato-based motorhome. Or is it because the base vehicle was bought in Germany? Perhaps others can check and comment.
 
Filthy weather in Woolacombe, too, but thankfully no floods.
 
HTH
 
Derek

 
 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:05 PM
From: "Brent" <brentiow.c@...>
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] Fiat base vehicle extended warranty
Hi All
Long story cut short: purchased brand new (Sept 2018) A/T Tracker LB. Thought it was our dream vehicle so purchased the extended Fiat three year warranty to cover breakdowns/repairs for a cost just under £900. Thanks to the build quality, dealer that "took our money and run" and didn't even know their products along with Sargent not being able to supply a wiring system that could cope with off grid camping - even in the middle of blazing hot summer we were the only ones having to get "gennie" out as batteries were critical and our electrical system kept shutting down!! So summer of 2019 we went to Lincoln show and low and behold found nearly new Fiat based Pilote which we ended up purchasing. Got home and approached Fiat to "transfer" the warranty as neither vehicle was outside the two year initial warranty so it hadn't started/come into force. They said no it had to stay with original vehicle as I hadn't cancelled within the 15 days of purchase WHAT!!!!
So have any of you experienced anything similar and be able to advise please - surely this cannot be right in this day an age - can it? The p/x dealer wasn't interested in the fact there was this extra cover so offered nothing "extra" for it!! 

Very many thanks for reading/responding

Brent Very wet/windy IoW


Fiat base vehicle extended warranty

Brent
 

Hi All
Long story cut short: purchased brand new (Sept 2018) A/T Tracker LB. Thought it was our dream vehicle so purchased the extended Fiat three year warranty to cover breakdowns/repairs for a cost just under £900. Thanks to the build quality, dealer that "took our money and run" and didn't even know their products along with Sargent not being able to supply a wiring system that could cope with off grid camping - even in the middle of blazing hot summer we were the only ones having to get "gennie" out as batteries were critical and our electrical system kept shutting down!! So summer of 2019 we went to Lincoln show and low and behold found nearly new Fiat based Pilote which we ended up purchasing. Got home and approached Fiat to "transfer" the warranty as neither vehicle was outside the two year initial warranty so it hadn't started/come into force. They said no it had to stay with original vehicle as I hadn't cancelled within the 15 days of purchase WHAT!!!!
So have any of you experienced anything similar and be able to advise please - surely this cannot be right in this day an age - can it? The p/x dealer wasn't interested in the fact there was this extra cover so offered nothing "extra" for it!! 

Very many thanks for reading/responding

Brent Very wet/windy IoW


New LEZs

M Stevenson
 

Hi folks,

London was easy to avoid, but now things are going to get a whole lot more complex unless your van is to latest emissions standards.

Various different requirements in multiple zones... Great!

https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/cost-of-motoring/low-emission-zones-2020

Wouldn't be so bad, but they include some major trunk roads as well.

Regards
Max

Sunny NZ.


Re: Toll roads in Europe

Derek Sims
 

Fond memoeies!
 
We used the St. Gothard Tunnel, no extra toll in those dsys. We crossed Switzerland in a day and stayed at the free aire at Locano overnight. No Swiss Francs so all we could do was window-shop.
 
We went through Milan to Cremona then out to the coast nr Rimini. It's worth using the toll motorway to take you past the awful, slow coastal road. (We didn't and regretted it, even though we had five months for the trip.
 
HTH
 
Derek

 
 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 at 8:25 AM
From: "Sandytrax" <brianinspain12@...>
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [motorhome-list] Toll roads in Europe
We’re on route to Greece from Roscoff, France, Switzerland and Italy. The route to Bari with tolls is around 150 euros.
In two days we’ve travelled 600 miles west to east across France mostly without tolls. Some beautiful roads. We decided to fork out 14 euros to save an hour, from 2hours 40 to 1hour 40 from Orleans to Chablis. It was worth it.
Next stop Basel and a lovely vignette!
Cheers
Brian



 


Re: Toll roads in Europe

Sandytrax
 

We’re on route to Greece from Roscoff, France, Switzerland and Italy. The route to Bari with tolls is around 150 euros.
In two days we’ve travelled 600 miles west to east across France mostly without tolls. Some beautiful roads. We decided to fork out 14 euros to save an hour, from 2hours 40 to 1hour 40 from Orleans to Chablis. It was worth it.
Next stop Basel and a lovely vignette!
Cheers
Brian


NO EMISSIONS

Ernest Bull
 

Just taken our Berlingo for its first MOT. Passed. No problems, but what was gratifying were the emissions measurements. ZERO!!! No CO2! No NOX! No Particulates.

Faced, as many of you seem to be, with the prospect of finding the price of a new electric Motorhome, may I suggest that, if your current MH has everything you want or need and has plenty of life left in it, consider having it retro-fitted with the AdBlue SCR system. 

Research it thoroughly, though. Although most sites give retrofits the thumbs up, I found one site that claimed that not all conversations are possible, practicable or, indeed, successful. Usually on account of available room to fit the parts needed. https://dieselnet.com/news/2019/03adac.php
_____

ErnB


Re: Toll roads in Europe

Peter S
 

When we came back from Austria last year we deliberately used the Autoroutes. We had gone down through Germany and had had so many hold ups and miles of narrow lanes where roadworks were underway that I decided I would rather pay than sit in a jam. When we left Worms on a Sunday morning we were anticipating an easy day but within a few kilometers on the Autobahn a 3 lane road went down to 1 over a very short distance and then off the Autobahn onto narrow country roads. There was no warning, no diversion signs but lots of chaos and queuing.

Peter S

On 20/02/2020 16:15:27, Bennett Family <martin@...> wrote:

Tim,

I agree - I quite enjoy the less crowded French Autoroutes.

Martin
> On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:56, timsinc Sinclair via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> This obsession for avoiding toll roads amazes me when often it saves
> as much on fuel and running costs.
>
> I agree it does depend on whether time and weather (ie, not bitter
> winter) is on your side. If so, yes I avoid autoroutes for the sheer
> pleasure of exploring. But otherwise, I don't need to research
> websites - I just tell the sat-nav.
>
> Campervan Tim
>
>> On 20/02/2020, Tim Atkinson wrote:
>> The best free online map I've found so far for France is this
>>
>> https://about-france.com/geo/motorways.htm
>>
>> but it's static - no zooming
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> --Tim A
>>
>>
>>> On 20/02/2020 11:42, skevmd via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> On Michelin maps toll roads have distance measurements in red and in
>>> blue on non-toll roads
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *It'll all be OK in the end. If it's not OK, it's not the end*
>
>
>




Re: Toll roads in Europe

Bennett Family
 

Tim,

I agree - I quite enjoy the less crowded French Autoroutes.

Martin

On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:56, timsinc Sinclair via Groups.Io <timsinc=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

This obsession for avoiding toll roads amazes me when often it saves
as much on fuel and running costs.

I agree it does depend on whether time and weather (ie, not bitter
winter) is on your side. If so, yes I avoid autoroutes for the sheer
pleasure of exploring. But otherwise, I don't need to research
websites - I just tell the sat-nav.

Campervan Tim

On 20/02/2020, Tim Atkinson <tim@hotneedle.net> wrote:
The best free online map I've found so far for France is this

https://about-france.com/geo/motorways.htm

but it's static - no zooming

Cheers

--Tim A


On 20/02/2020 11:42, skevmd via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi
On Michelin maps toll roads have distance measurements in red and in
blue on non-toll roads
Mike



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Re: Toll roads in Europe

timsinc Sinclair
 

This obsession for avoiding toll roads amazes me when often it saves
as much on fuel and running costs.

I agree it does depend on whether time and weather (ie, not bitter
winter) is on your side. If so, yes I avoid autoroutes for the sheer
pleasure of exploring. But otherwise, I don't need to research
websites - I just tell the sat-nav.

Campervan Tim

On 20/02/2020, Tim Atkinson <tim@hotneedle.net> wrote:
The best free online map I've found so far for France is this

https://about-france.com/geo/motorways.htm

but it's static - no zooming

Cheers

--Tim A


On 20/02/2020 11:42, skevmd via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi
On Michelin maps toll roads have distance measurements in red and in
blue on non-toll roads
Mike


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Re: Toll roads in Europe

Tim Atkinson
 

The best free online map I've found so far for France is this

https://about-france.com/geo/motorways.htm

but it's static - no zooming

Cheers

--Tim A


On 20/02/2020 11:42, skevmd via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi
On Michelin maps toll roads have distance measurements in red and in blue on non-toll roads
Mike


Re: Toll roads in Europe

skevmd
 

Hi
On Michelin maps toll roads have distance measurements in red and in blue on non-toll roads
Mike


Re: Toll roads in Europe

Peter S
 

Colours just means they are Autoroutes.

Peter S

On 19/02/2020 12:00:45, Tim Atkinson <tim@...> wrote:

Just had a look at viamichelin and the toll markings as described are
not very accurate - the motorway A16 between Calais and Boulogne is not
a toll road and the A25 Dunquerque to Lille is not toll either but both
are marked with a yellow band down the middle...

Cheers

--Tim A



On 10/02/2020 16:20, Alan Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 14:21, Sandytrax wrote:
>
>> After a lots of internet searching - tolls.net etc - I can't seem to find a clear map of Europe's toll roads.
>> Any suggestions?
> Brian I suggest that you use Michelin maps. Motorways are marked on
> their maps as two red lines with a yellow band in the centre for toll
> roads, and two red lines with a white central band for non-toll.
>
>
>
> The old paper Michelin maps I used to buy also mark the toll roads
> with the same colours. Other digital (off-line) maps that I use in
> Oziexplorer do the same.
>
> If you use them to plan a route, you can avoid tolls by selecting "Avoid Tolls".
>
> Alan.
>
>
>




Re: Toll roads in Europe

Tim Atkinson
 

Just had a look at viamichelin and the toll markings as described are not very accurate - the motorway A16 between Calais and Boulogne is not a toll road and the A25 Dunquerque to Lille is not toll either but both are marked with a yellow band down the middle...

Cheers

--Tim A

On 10/02/2020 16:20, Alan Morris wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 14:21, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@gmail.com> wrote:

After a lots of internet searching - tolls.net etc - I can't seem to find a clear map of Europe's toll roads.
Any suggestions?
Brian I suggest that you use Michelin maps. Motorways are marked on
their maps as two red lines with a yellow band in the centre for toll
roads, and two red lines with a white central band for non-toll.

<https://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Routes>

The old paper Michelin maps I used to buy also mark the toll roads
with the same colours. Other digital (off-line) maps that I use in
Oziexplorer do the same.

If you use them to plan a route, you can avoid tolls by selecting "Avoid Tolls".

Alan.


Re: EHU cable 1.5mm/2.5mm orange or blue?

Alan Morris
 

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 08:40, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com> wrote:

.... with our current “Lets Save the planet”
- “Go Green” - “Do your bit to save climate extinction”.
Sorry, but any feel-good about not being plugged in hardly justified.
In UK especially when majority of time it's cold, I bet the carbon
footprint from your LPG burning (not to mention its manufacture and
transport) is greater. I include myself with the diesel heater. Same
with driving about to warm up van.
It's all about good design.

My Tischer (German) body on a Land Rover Defender 130 was built in
2005. Mains was only used for battery charging when at home and not
in use as the LR immobiliser/alarm used too much current from the
starter battery, that was not charged from the solar panels.

The two solar panels charged the domestic battery which ran the 12
volt compressor fridge/freezer. Heating was by 2x 11kg Gaslow
cylinders. My LPG purchase spreadsheet indicated that two full
cylinders could last for 18 MONTHS. This included much use in UK
winter time, including when snow and ice was on the ground.

In contrast my 2016 Hymer requires it's 2x 11kg cylinders be refilled
after only 5 long weekends. Fridge/freezer is three-way and thus on
LPG most of the time.

in 2020 it should be possible to build a more efficient motorhome with
better insulation and a 12 volt fridge.

I guess that the massive mark-ups in the trade would make to too
expensive for most folk.

Alan.


Re: EHU cable 1.5mm/2.5mm orange or blue?

Ernest Bull
 

On 18 Feb 2020, at 08:40, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Sorry, but any feel-good about not being plugged in hardly justified.

Certainly so from today’s understanding of the problems, but it felt right at the time. 10, 15+ years ago.

Just goes to show the influences we live with.
_________

ErnB


Re: EHU cable 1.5mm/2.5mm orange or blue?

timsinc Sinclair
 

On 17/02/2020, Phil <g4udu-1@psmb.co.uk> wrote:

....I would like the option not to use it.

.... with our current “Lets Save the planet”
- “Go Green” - “Do your bit to save climate extinction”.
Sorry, but any feel-good about not being plugged in hardly justified.
In UK especially when majority of time it's cold, I bet the carbon
footprint from your LPG burning (not to mention its manufacture and
transport) is greater. I include myself with the diesel heater. Same
with driving about to warm up van.

Thats why now the drive is for all homes to be electric only - more
and more being generated sustainably.

Campervan Tim


Re: EHU cable 1.5mm/2.5mm orange or blue?

Richard
 

Again I totally agree which is why we spend very little time
motor-homing in the UK.
I thought the the clubs were "By the people For the people" but maybe not.
Richard

On 17/02/2020 08:40, Phil wrote:
In respect to cable colour or size - plus our 2 UK primary club site networks - I would like the option not to use it.

The sites are expensive enough and with our current “Lets Save the planet” - “Go Green” - “Do your bit to save climate extinction”

All I want is a pitch and no electric hook up, yes I know there are CL and CS sites (although they are getting harder to find in the simple form). The “Big Two” have sites in some very convenient places, if I wanted to park up on the roadside in Bristol I will get a ticket but Baltic Wharf is just so convenient for SS Great Britain, city centre etc.

Getting decent energy for solar above 50 deg North is a bit of a challenge but certainly for 2 months either side of mid summers day 1st May to end of August there should be no excuse for any of us with solar to pay for electricity.

The site Management tell me they can’t differentiate and operate a charging scheme for electric - that’s not what I want, all I would like to see is them giving me a discount for not plugging the cable in !

If they catch any “Electric Bandits” out there in the middle of the night stealthy grabbing some electricity just charge them for the entire stay.

So its back to EU and take advantage of the Aires and more energy from the sun - could do with a bit of that right now !

Just my opinion…………..


Phil




Re: EHU cable 1.5mm/2.5mm orange or blue?

Carol Weaver
 

Many of you will recall the poll I did on the old mh list site

I took the results to the NEC and showed them to CC and CCC  and as I came back and told you all. It was an experiment and they would look at it at the end of the year 

Well we see it stayed. We left CC back in 2008 I think and CCC at that time. We rejoined CCC in 2009 as preferred them

Rarely use sites anywhere and have 300w solar panels and they work for us. 

Why CCC?   evause in summer we use their THS and it allows us to still Motorhome in UM in summer

Baltic Wharf is great - my brother lives in flats next to it. Refuse to pay their prices these days so we don’t see him. We have parked in the complex in one of his parking places but we were 6.8m then and now 7.5m

Carol
 

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 10:48, Ernest Bull <ernb32@...> wrote:
On 17 Feb 2020, at 08:40, Phil <g4udu-1@...> wrote:

Just my opinion…………..

And a damned good one, Phil, that club members should take up at the AGMs. 

I did well in France and Germany with my 100W panel. Especially after I fitted the MPPT charge controller. And even in the winter, when I worked out that if I parked up during the day and eked out my batteries with the Truma on low and the curtains back to let any sunlight help with the heating, and then drove to my next stop through the evening. Or even into the small hours. That fully charged the batteries and really cooked up the interior with the cab heater to keep me comfortable until well after breakfast. I did that regularly when the temp. was minus 20 and 30C.

As to UK site charges, I remember asking a French MHer if he had been to the UK. “ONCE!” he replied. And added that one would have to be mad to go twice. He was a Bretton and wanted to visit his Gaelic cousins in Cornwall and Wales, but he saw little point in spending over 100Eu a night. Especially when he was then charged an extra 20Eu for opening his awning. (The exchange rate back then was c1:50Eu to the GBP.
________

ErnB

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