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Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

David Scholes
 

We met a man down in south Portugal who reckoned that there was no need to pay tolls in Portugal because they can’t find you when you are there in a motorhome and they can’t chase them up when you return because tolls are a civil matter in England not a criminal one.

Meanwhile our nip and go device works well in Portugal which is good though the prices are high. They charge £6 if you use it that month then any charges so if you only go under one charge point at, say £2 (typical charge rate) then it costs £8.

First time I was there after they brought in the charges I refused to register my credit card because if there were problems then I would probably just have to grin and bear it. But then I was very worried when the sat nav kept taking me onto motorways but then leaving them to bypass the charge points.

David

On 13 Nov 2019, at 14:56, Richard <edelec@...> wrote:

Having had a Tag for France for a few years I got a BipandGo when we
went to Spain and Portugal this year. IT DID NOT WORK!
We did not use any Spanish tolls on our way to Portugal but travelled on
Portuguese tolls a number of times. These do not have booths but are
automatic from above.
When we returned to Spain and used a toll the tag did not trigger the
barrier and we called an attendant who opened a control cabinet to get
us through. This happened again at a later toll. We have been billed for
these two uses of a toll road but no charges or fines have come through
for Portugal. I consider myself very lucky.
Richard



On 13/11/2019 10:05, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
This is what I use:
https://www.bipandgo.com/en/

TimS

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
Hi folks
I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month
long trip.
I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple
as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best
way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year -
should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head
straight down to say Sages or Faro?
I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.

Thanks for any advice.
Cheers
Brian





Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

timsinc Sinclair
 

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:

I’ve checked out the bipandgo website but the need for two tags at a cost of
52 euros seems excessive for the convenience during a one month trip.
Must be inflation - I don't remember paying anything like that for my
French and Iberia ones. Agree for one month not worth it. But for me
on my annual three-month travels to the sun, wouldn't be without them
- being solo (like you) and not having to get out of van with queue
behind to pay at the booth on the right hand side. Still have to do
that, mind you, at many supermarket fuel stations!

TimS

Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

Richard
 

Having had a Tag for France for a few years I got a BipandGo when we
went to Spain and Portugal this year. IT DID NOT WORK!
We did not use any Spanish tolls on our way to Portugal but travelled on
Portuguese tolls a number of times. These do not have booths but are
automatic from above.
When we returned to Spain and used a toll the tag did not trigger the
barrier and we called an attendant who opened a control cabinet to get
us through. This happened again at a later toll. We have been billed for
these two uses of a toll road but no charges or fines have come through
for Portugal. I consider myself very lucky.
Richard

On 13/11/2019 10:05, timsinc Sinclair wrote:
This is what I use:
https://www.bipandgo.com/en/

TimS

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
Hi folks
I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month
long trip.
I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple
as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best
way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year -
should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head
straight down to say Sages or Faro?
I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.

Thanks for any advice.
Cheers
Brian



Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

Sandytrax
 

Thanks so much for the helpful replies.

I’ve checked out the bipandgo website but the need for two tags at a cost of 52 euros seems excessive for the convenience during a one month trip.

I’ve travelled extensively in France, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Italy and Greece off season and found it deserted.
I was gobsmacked when I found how busy Spain was last Feb/March although I never had a problem with finding a pitch.
Using toll roads with gay abandon, we stopped near Bordeaux the first night from Roscoff, Pamplona the second night and near Malaga the third night. I have no idea what the tolls were!
But we were heading for the sun in earnest!

Taking David’s advice, I think I’ll head straight down to the western algarve at Sagres, trying to avoid toll roads and see what takes my fancy.
I do use google maps and viamichelin to compare toll and non toll routes.

Cheers

Brian

Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

David Scholes
 

France can be bad for queues, Spain rarely has queues and Portugal uses a system where queues don’t happen but where you have to register a credit card when you arrive in the country or use a device such as the one that Tim uses which I also use.

The worst place for tolls is between Bordeaux and Burgos. The road south from Bordeaux to the Spanish border keeps pushing you into paying tolls which add up to forty or so pounds. From the border to Burgos they are a lot cheaper but it is hard to avoid them.
There is no need to use the toll roads in Portugal, just stick to the non toll roads and enjoy them. Isn’t that what you go for. You see nothing of much interest if you stay on the toll roads.

You had better enter Portugal from the top of you want to see Oporto. It gets cold up there in December though some years it is ok. The weather gets noticeably better south of Lisbon. We usually go as fast as possible down through Spain to get to the South of Portugal but we then avoid the eastern Algarve because it is so crowded with motorhomes. (Southern Spain is also very pleasant.) Then everything depends on whether you are paying for sites or not.

Best of luck

David


On 13 Nov 2019, at 10:51, I'm Bazbro via Groups.Io <barry.c.brown@...> wrote:


My satellite dish on the roof regularly triggers a "Three" charge rather than the cheaper "Class Two".  I then have to speak to the operator.   Only once has this been "debated" and I had to point out to the man that "accessories" do not count on height calculation. It took an age for him to back down  amid much hooting from behind.
This is why I don't bother with a Tag... I don't think I've ever waited even five minutes in a queue.
Barry




On Wed, 13 Nov 2019, 10:05 am timsinc Sinclair, <timsinc@...> wrote:
This is what I use:
https://www.bipandgo.com/en/

TimS

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
> Hi folks
> I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month
> long trip.
> I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple
> as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
> I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best
> way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
> I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year -
> should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head
> straight down to say Sages or Faro?
> I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> Cheers
> Brian
>
>
>
>


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Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

I'm Bazbro
 

My satellite dish on the roof regularly triggers a "Three" charge rather than the cheaper "Class Two".  I then have to speak to the operator.   Only once has this been "debated" and I had to point out to the man that "accessories" do not count on height calculation. It took an age for him to back down  amid much hooting from behind.
This is why I don't bother with a Tag... I don't think I've ever waited even five minutes in a queue.
Barry




On Wed, 13 Nov 2019, 10:05 am timsinc Sinclair, <timsinc@...> wrote:
This is what I use:
https://www.bipandgo.com/en/

TimS

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
> Hi folks
> I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month
> long trip.
> I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple
> as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
> I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best
> way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
> I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year -
> should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head
> straight down to say Sages or Faro?
> I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> Cheers
> Brian
>
>
>
>


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Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

timsinc Sinclair
 

This is what I use:
https://www.bipandgo.com/en/

TimS

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
Hi folks
I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month
long trip.
I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple
as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best
way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year -
should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head
straight down to say Sages or Faro?
I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.

Thanks for any advice.
Cheers
Brian



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Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

Sandytrax
 

Hi folks
I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month long trip.
I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year - should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head straight down to say Sages or Faro?
I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.

Thanks for any advice.
Cheers
Brian

Re: NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 21:58, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:

I saw lots of mega expensive vans which I thought were quite poorly designed.
Sadly much too common these days.

Alan.

Re: NEC Shows

Sandytrax
 

I guess mhers are a varied bunch. Hence, the variety of vehicles and stuff to suit all tastes.

I went to the NEC show for the first time in October 2016 having done a fair amount of research into a new vehicle, having sold my first vehicle some 5 years previously.

I found the event quite overwhelming but my research was helpful in focussing my attention. On the first day I couldn’t find anything suitably exciting and felt a bit disappointed. I did some more research overnight and went back early the next day with greater resolve. Quite quickly, I did a good deal on a van in about an hour for delivery in May 2017. An Autosleeper Fairford. Brilliant van for me. I love it. British made and no problems whatsoever.

I went again in October 2018 for accessories. Once again it was overwhelming and I bought nothing. I saw lots of mega expensive vans which I thought were quite poorly designed.

Not sure if I would be up for Düsseldorf or Paris. Maybe as part of an adventure trip.
Cheers!

Brian

On 31 Oct 2019, at 15:25, Neill King &#92;(MH-List&#92;) <yahoo@...> wrote:

Not sure I agree with Carol on this occasion - it depends what you are looking for.

Broadly speaking visitors to the October NEC are looking for new model reveals and possibly to place an order for new for delivery in the coming season.

The February NEC has a more immediate feel to it with visitors very interested in accessories and in-stock dealer vans for the imminent season.

The numerous outdoor summer shows also have that immediate feel plus stocks of both new and second-hand vans for sale. (and sometimes second-hand will be the only ones with a particular layout - given the way some features go in and out of fashion).

Dusseldorf is the grand-daddy of them all with vehicles that you just won't come across elsewhere and with the 'marque' stands additionally staffed by dealers who will happily take you off or a tour round their own stock. The big suppliers like Dometic, Thetford etc., also have a major presence. Staying in the Dusseldorf Show camping fields with a multi-day show ticket is an experience not to be missed in my opinion.

I like Paris too, it is very different in feel, has a distinctly French flavour to it right down to extended lunches focussing on several different regional cuisines. Haven't been for a while but they used to be very friendly towards foreign visitors, last time we were there we got free camping for 48 hrs (then pay) and free admission on showing our passports. Carol says 'bad' based on a very long lead time apparently but that can happen with any van/marque that proves unexpectedly popular and is entirely unconnected with Paris as such. Access to paris itself is fairly easy so a day out there is also on the cards.

All offer ample opportunity to talk to suppliers about accessories like airbags, satellite, refillables, mobile broadband, etc. None cover all the suppliers of those items though, there is a wider market too. Excellent for initial research though.

Both Dusseldorf and Paris have huge numbers camping over several days so there is an outdoor show element there too - with owners often more that happy to talk about the pros and cons of their own vans, an education in itself.

They are all worth visiting really. When we were last 'in the market' those visits honed our views and led us into the right short list for us. Only then was there a favourite place to shop.



Best regards

Neill
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-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Morris
Sent: 30 October 2019 22:01
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] NEC Shows

Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan





Re: NEC Shows

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Not sure I agree with Carol on this occasion - it depends what you are looking for.

Broadly speaking visitors to the October NEC are looking for new model reveals and possibly to place an order for new for delivery in the coming season.

The February NEC has a more immediate feel to it with visitors very interested in accessories and in-stock dealer vans for the imminent season.

The numerous outdoor summer shows also have that immediate feel plus stocks of both new and second-hand vans for sale. (and sometimes second-hand will be the only ones with a particular layout - given the way some features go in and out of fashion).

Dusseldorf is the grand-daddy of them all with vehicles that you just won't come across elsewhere and with the 'marque' stands additionally staffed by dealers who will happily take you off or a tour round their own stock. The big suppliers like Dometic, Thetford etc., also have a major presence. Staying in the Dusseldorf Show camping fields with a multi-day show ticket is an experience not to be missed in my opinion.

I like Paris too, it is very different in feel, has a distinctly French flavour to it right down to extended lunches focussing on several different regional cuisines. Haven't been for a while but they used to be very friendly towards foreign visitors, last time we were there we got free camping for 48 hrs (then pay) and free admission on showing our passports. Carol says 'bad' based on a very long lead time apparently but that can happen with any van/marque that proves unexpectedly popular and is entirely unconnected with Paris as such. Access to paris itself is fairly easy so a day out there is also on the cards.

All offer ample opportunity to talk to suppliers about accessories like airbags, satellite, refillables, mobile broadband, etc. None cover all the suppliers of those items though, there is a wider market too. Excellent for initial research though.

Both Dusseldorf and Paris have huge numbers camping over several days so there is an outdoor show element there too - with owners often more that happy to talk about the pros and cons of their own vans, an education in itself.

They are all worth visiting really. When we were last 'in the market' those visits honed our views and led us into the right short list for us. Only then was there a favourite place to shop.



Best regards

Neill
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neill@... motorcaravanning@...
---------------------------------------------------------
A great on-line motorhome parts & accessory shop & reference

-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Morris
Sent: 30 October 2019 22:01
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] NEC Shows

Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan

Re: NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:28, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

Ah ok. But there were always two shows. Feb used to be the bigger but over the last few years October has become the larger

So similar but generally we found out that at a February show many slots for new motorhomes were not available as they had been filled in the mean time

So best is October in UK and Düsseldorf is best if looking for a continental Motorhome in Aug/Sep as new models are on show and a chance to get an April/May delivery. Paris at end if September is bad (as we found out). We didn’t get ours ordered on day 2 of show until 23rd August!!!
Thanks Carol.

Alan.

Re: NEC Shows

Carol Weaver
 

Ah ok. But there were always two shows. Feb used to be the bigger but over the last few years October has become the larger

So similar but generally we found out that at a February show many slots for new motorhomes were not available as they had been filled in the mean time

So best is October in UK and Düsseldorf is best if looking for a continental Motorhome in Aug/Sep as new models are on show and a chance to get an April/May delivery. Paris at end if September is bad (as we found out). We didn’t get ours ordered on day 2 of show until 23rd August!!!

Carol

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:21, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:08, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

> What are you referring to Alan. I’m lost or a mail us missing

We have just had the MOTORHOME AND CARAVAN SHOW, 15 - 20 Oct 2019.

Now advertised is the THE CARAVAN, CAMPING AND MOTORHOME SHOW, 8 - 23 Feb 2020.

Both at the NEC.

Alan.



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Re: NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:08, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

What are you referring to Alan. I’m lost or a mail us missing
We have just had the MOTORHOME AND CARAVAN SHOW, 15 - 20 Oct 2019.

Now advertised is the THE CARAVAN, CAMPING AND MOTORHOME SHOW, 8 - 23 Feb 2020.

Both at the NEC.

Alan.

Re: NEC Shows

Carol Weaver
 

What are you referring to Alan. I’m lost or a mail us missing

Carol

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:02, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan



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NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

calypso155
 

Thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

Steve V

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

timsinc Sinclair
 

On 21/10/2019, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:

What's wrong with normal e-mailing? Much easier!
Indeed. On my full-time camper travels I have a group of about 60
(family, friends some m-homers, including Carol !) who get my
'Travelogs' (when something to report/photo) by old-fashioned email.

With Whatsapp, my communication is more likely to be personal or
person-specfific. If a message, I get alert on my phone. On my Android
tablet I have 'Tablet Messenger' app that also accesses Whatsapp,
which is my usual way to use it.

TimS

PS, if any fascinated enough, happy to add your email address to my
round-robin Travelog email group.

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Carol Weaver
 

We use WhatsApp too. You can set it up to make a sound or /and have an icon showing you there is a message. 

Mine prefer to use it 

Carol

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 18:17, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 16:46, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

> Whatsapp (photos and text) is, when campervanning far and wide, how I
> and off-spring (plus few friends and odd m-homer) communicate.

What's wrong with normal e-mailing?  Much easier!

When I want to e-mail selected friends/family, I've setup small
selections of e-mail addresses.  To send in Gmail, I click on the To:
field and my contacts appear.  In the drop down menu, I select the
named group of people I want to send to and they all appear in the To:
field.

So at Christmas time, I select my 'Xmas Letter' group and they all get
the letter.

Another caravan & camping group suggested using Whasapp.

It's major problem is that to receive a message one has to logon to
see it there are any messages.  E-mails just arrive, with no extra
effort.


Alan.



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Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Alan Morris
 

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 16:46, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Whatsapp (photos and text) is, when campervanning far and wide, how I
and off-spring (plus few friends and odd m-homer) communicate.
What's wrong with normal e-mailing? Much easier!

When I want to e-mail selected friends/family, I've setup small
selections of e-mail addresses. To send in Gmail, I click on the To:
field and my contacts appear. In the drop down menu, I select the
named group of people I want to send to and they all appear in the To:
field.

So at Christmas time, I select my 'Xmas Letter' group and they all get
the letter.

Another caravan & camping group suggested using Whasapp.

It's major problem is that to receive a message one has to logon to
see it there are any messages. E-mails just arrive, with no extra
effort.


Alan.