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Re: Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

timsinc Sinclair
 

This is what I use:
https://www.bipandgo.com/en/

TimS

On 13/11/2019, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:
Hi folks
I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month
long trip.
I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple
as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best
way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year -
should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head
straight down to say Sages or Faro?
I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.

Thanks for any advice.
Cheers
Brian



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Tolls in France, Spain and Portugal

Sandytrax
 

Hi folks
I'm planning a trip from Roscoff to Portugal next week. Probably a month long trip.
I'm not sure how much I'll use tolls but I'd like to make payment as simple as possible, especially as I'm travelling solo.
I'm sure this issue has arisen before but I'd welcome any advice on the best way to avoid having to pay at each toll, say by some toll card or other.
I'd also welcome any tips on driving down that way at tis time of year - should I head for say, Porto and follow the coast down or should I head straight down to say Sages or Faro?
I'm mainly wanting to tour the Algarve and hopefully get some good weather.

Thanks for any advice.
Cheers
Brian

Re: NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 21:58, Sandytrax <brianinspain12@...> wrote:

I saw lots of mega expensive vans which I thought were quite poorly designed.
Sadly much too common these days.

Alan.

Re: NEC Shows

Sandytrax
 

I guess mhers are a varied bunch. Hence, the variety of vehicles and stuff to suit all tastes.

I went to the NEC show for the first time in October 2016 having done a fair amount of research into a new vehicle, having sold my first vehicle some 5 years previously.

I found the event quite overwhelming but my research was helpful in focussing my attention. On the first day I couldn’t find anything suitably exciting and felt a bit disappointed. I did some more research overnight and went back early the next day with greater resolve. Quite quickly, I did a good deal on a van in about an hour for delivery in May 2017. An Autosleeper Fairford. Brilliant van for me. I love it. British made and no problems whatsoever.

I went again in October 2018 for accessories. Once again it was overwhelming and I bought nothing. I saw lots of mega expensive vans which I thought were quite poorly designed.

Not sure if I would be up for Düsseldorf or Paris. Maybe as part of an adventure trip.
Cheers!

Brian

On 31 Oct 2019, at 15:25, Neill King &#92;(MH-List&#92;) <yahoo@...> wrote:

Not sure I agree with Carol on this occasion - it depends what you are looking for.

Broadly speaking visitors to the October NEC are looking for new model reveals and possibly to place an order for new for delivery in the coming season.

The February NEC has a more immediate feel to it with visitors very interested in accessories and in-stock dealer vans for the imminent season.

The numerous outdoor summer shows also have that immediate feel plus stocks of both new and second-hand vans for sale. (and sometimes second-hand will be the only ones with a particular layout - given the way some features go in and out of fashion).

Dusseldorf is the grand-daddy of them all with vehicles that you just won't come across elsewhere and with the 'marque' stands additionally staffed by dealers who will happily take you off or a tour round their own stock. The big suppliers like Dometic, Thetford etc., also have a major presence. Staying in the Dusseldorf Show camping fields with a multi-day show ticket is an experience not to be missed in my opinion.

I like Paris too, it is very different in feel, has a distinctly French flavour to it right down to extended lunches focussing on several different regional cuisines. Haven't been for a while but they used to be very friendly towards foreign visitors, last time we were there we got free camping for 48 hrs (then pay) and free admission on showing our passports. Carol says 'bad' based on a very long lead time apparently but that can happen with any van/marque that proves unexpectedly popular and is entirely unconnected with Paris as such. Access to paris itself is fairly easy so a day out there is also on the cards.

All offer ample opportunity to talk to suppliers about accessories like airbags, satellite, refillables, mobile broadband, etc. None cover all the suppliers of those items though, there is a wider market too. Excellent for initial research though.

Both Dusseldorf and Paris have huge numbers camping over several days so there is an outdoor show element there too - with owners often more that happy to talk about the pros and cons of their own vans, an education in itself.

They are all worth visiting really. When we were last 'in the market' those visits honed our views and led us into the right short list for us. Only then was there a favourite place to shop.



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-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Morris
Sent: 30 October 2019 22:01
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] NEC Shows

Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan





Re: NEC Shows

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Not sure I agree with Carol on this occasion - it depends what you are looking for.

Broadly speaking visitors to the October NEC are looking for new model reveals and possibly to place an order for new for delivery in the coming season.

The February NEC has a more immediate feel to it with visitors very interested in accessories and in-stock dealer vans for the imminent season.

The numerous outdoor summer shows also have that immediate feel plus stocks of both new and second-hand vans for sale. (and sometimes second-hand will be the only ones with a particular layout - given the way some features go in and out of fashion).

Dusseldorf is the grand-daddy of them all with vehicles that you just won't come across elsewhere and with the 'marque' stands additionally staffed by dealers who will happily take you off or a tour round their own stock. The big suppliers like Dometic, Thetford etc., also have a major presence. Staying in the Dusseldorf Show camping fields with a multi-day show ticket is an experience not to be missed in my opinion.

I like Paris too, it is very different in feel, has a distinctly French flavour to it right down to extended lunches focussing on several different regional cuisines. Haven't been for a while but they used to be very friendly towards foreign visitors, last time we were there we got free camping for 48 hrs (then pay) and free admission on showing our passports. Carol says 'bad' based on a very long lead time apparently but that can happen with any van/marque that proves unexpectedly popular and is entirely unconnected with Paris as such. Access to paris itself is fairly easy so a day out there is also on the cards.

All offer ample opportunity to talk to suppliers about accessories like airbags, satellite, refillables, mobile broadband, etc. None cover all the suppliers of those items though, there is a wider market too. Excellent for initial research though.

Both Dusseldorf and Paris have huge numbers camping over several days so there is an outdoor show element there too - with owners often more that happy to talk about the pros and cons of their own vans, an education in itself.

They are all worth visiting really. When we were last 'in the market' those visits honed our views and led us into the right short list for us. Only then was there a favourite place to shop.



Best regards

Neill
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-----Original Message-----
From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Morris
Sent: 30 October 2019 22:01
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] NEC Shows

Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan

Re: NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:28, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

Ah ok. But there were always two shows. Feb used to be the bigger but over the last few years October has become the larger

So similar but generally we found out that at a February show many slots for new motorhomes were not available as they had been filled in the mean time

So best is October in UK and Düsseldorf is best if looking for a continental Motorhome in Aug/Sep as new models are on show and a chance to get an April/May delivery. Paris at end if September is bad (as we found out). We didn’t get ours ordered on day 2 of show until 23rd August!!!
Thanks Carol.

Alan.

Re: NEC Shows

Carol Weaver
 

Ah ok. But there were always two shows. Feb used to be the bigger but over the last few years October has become the larger

So similar but generally we found out that at a February show many slots for new motorhomes were not available as they had been filled in the mean time

So best is October in UK and Düsseldorf is best if looking for a continental Motorhome in Aug/Sep as new models are on show and a chance to get an April/May delivery. Paris at end if September is bad (as we found out). We didn’t get ours ordered on day 2 of show until 23rd August!!!

Carol

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:21, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:08, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

> What are you referring to Alan. I’m lost or a mail us missing

We have just had the MOTORHOME AND CARAVAN SHOW, 15 - 20 Oct 2019.

Now advertised is the THE CARAVAN, CAMPING AND MOTORHOME SHOW, 8 - 23 Feb 2020.

Both at the NEC.

Alan.



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Re: NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:08, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:

What are you referring to Alan. I’m lost or a mail us missing
We have just had the MOTORHOME AND CARAVAN SHOW, 15 - 20 Oct 2019.

Now advertised is the THE CARAVAN, CAMPING AND MOTORHOME SHOW, 8 - 23 Feb 2020.

Both at the NEC.

Alan.

Re: NEC Shows

Carol Weaver
 

What are you referring to Alan. I’m lost or a mail us missing

Carol

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 22:02, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan



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NEC Shows

Alan Morris
 

Having just had one, I see there is another one in the new year.

What is the difference, if any?

Alan

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

calypso155
 

Thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

Steve V

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

timsinc Sinclair
 

On 21/10/2019, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:

What's wrong with normal e-mailing? Much easier!
Indeed. On my full-time camper travels I have a group of about 60
(family, friends some m-homers, including Carol !) who get my
'Travelogs' (when something to report/photo) by old-fashioned email.

With Whatsapp, my communication is more likely to be personal or
person-specfific. If a message, I get alert on my phone. On my Android
tablet I have 'Tablet Messenger' app that also accesses Whatsapp,
which is my usual way to use it.

TimS

PS, if any fascinated enough, happy to add your email address to my
round-robin Travelog email group.

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Carol Weaver
 

We use WhatsApp too. You can set it up to make a sound or /and have an icon showing you there is a message. 

Mine prefer to use it 

Carol

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 18:17, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 16:46, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

> Whatsapp (photos and text) is, when campervanning far and wide, how I
> and off-spring (plus few friends and odd m-homer) communicate.

What's wrong with normal e-mailing?  Much easier!

When I want to e-mail selected friends/family, I've setup small
selections of e-mail addresses.  To send in Gmail, I click on the To:
field and my contacts appear.  In the drop down menu, I select the
named group of people I want to send to and they all appear in the To:
field.

So at Christmas time, I select my 'Xmas Letter' group and they all get
the letter.

Another caravan & camping group suggested using Whasapp.

It's major problem is that to receive a message one has to logon to
see it there are any messages.  E-mails just arrive, with no extra
effort.


Alan.



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Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Alan Morris
 

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 16:46, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Whatsapp (photos and text) is, when campervanning far and wide, how I
and off-spring (plus few friends and odd m-homer) communicate.
What's wrong with normal e-mailing? Much easier!

When I want to e-mail selected friends/family, I've setup small
selections of e-mail addresses. To send in Gmail, I click on the To:
field and my contacts appear. In the drop down menu, I select the
named group of people I want to send to and they all appear in the To:
field.

So at Christmas time, I select my 'Xmas Letter' group and they all get
the letter.

Another caravan & camping group suggested using Whasapp.

It's major problem is that to receive a message one has to logon to
see it there are any messages. E-mails just arrive, with no extra
effort.


Alan.

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

timsinc Sinclair
 

Whatsapp (photos and text) is, when campervanning far and wide, how I
and off-spring (plus few friends and odd m-homer) communicate.

TimS

On 21/10/2019, Carol Weaver <corconx@...> wrote:
I know my grandchildren joined but left too. I gave up working out where
they went. I hear from them when they want something!!

Carol

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 17:30, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

On 21/10/2019, Ernest Bull <ernb32@...> wrote:
On 21 Oct 2019, at 09:50, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Facebook has its attractions - like easy to post and see photos ….
I’m glad that you think so, Tim. I find it totally baffling, and
absolutely
counter-intuitive. Almost as unfathomable as Twitter.
_______
Like Carol, I'm certainly no fan. But it has its uses - be they of the
instant-then-lose-it kind of messages. Maybe, Ern, you need a grandkid
to show you the how - although I gather it's now spurned by youngsters
as 'just for oldies'. !!

TimS



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Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Carol Weaver
 

I know my grandchildren joined but left too. I gave up working out where they went. I hear from them when they want something!!

Carol

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 17:30, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
On 21/10/2019, Ernest Bull <ernb32@...> wrote:
> On 21 Oct 2019, at 09:50, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
>
>> Facebook has its attractions - like easy to post and see photos ….
>
> I’m glad that you think so, Tim. I find it totally baffling, and absolutely
> counter-intuitive. Almost as unfathomable as Twitter.
> _______

Like Carol, I'm certainly no fan. But it has its uses - be they of the
instant-then-lose-it kind of messages. Maybe, Ern, you need a grandkid
to show you the how - although I gather it's now spurned by youngsters
as 'just for oldies'. !!

TimS



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Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

timsinc Sinclair
 

On 21/10/2019, Ernest Bull <ernb32@...> wrote:
On 21 Oct 2019, at 09:50, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Facebook has its attractions - like easy to post and see photos ….
I’m glad that you think so, Tim. I find it totally baffling, and absolutely
counter-intuitive. Almost as unfathomable as Twitter.
_______
Like Carol, I'm certainly no fan. But it has its uses - be they of the
instant-then-lose-it kind of messages. Maybe, Ern, you need a grandkid
to show you the how - although I gather it's now spurned by youngsters
as 'just for oldies'. !!

TimS

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Ernest Bull
 

On 21 Oct 2019, at 09:50, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Facebook has its attractions - like easy to post and see photos ….

I’m glad that you think so, Tim. I find it totally baffling, and absolutely counter-intuitive. Almost as unfathomable as Twitter.
_______

ErnB

Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Alan Morris
 

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 07:50, Mervyn Pickard <mervyn@...> wrote:

> Have you thought of moving / setting up the group on Facebook?  

If the group moves to FB, then I will not be moving.

A few years ago, I became the chairman of a group of people, who met in person on a regular basis for events.  I inherited control of the group's FB account that I'd never used.  I then began to receive requests to join from folk who had no connection with the group or it's interest, so they were rejected.  After a while I discovered that the majority of FB members, where not even connected with the group!

Alan.

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Re: Move from Yahoo to Groups.io

Carol Weaver
 


Use Facebook but hate it. Difficult to find things you saw a few minutes ago. As Tim says these groups are far better every time

Carol


On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 09:50, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:
On 21/10/2019, Mervyn Pickard <mervyn@...> wrote:
> Have you thought of moving / setting up the group on Facebook?
>
Facebook has its attractions - like easy to post and see photos - and
a possible wider audience. But I sense that folk here - and on the OT
list - prefer the more intimate feel of our groups, where it's almost
like we all know one another.

Plus, writing a post at any length (long can be required for certain
topics) is not handled so well by FB. Or so readable.

Just my take, while being also a member of some m-home FB groups, such
as the SearchForSites one.

TimS



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