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Re: Autosleeper Symbol for sale

Carol Weaver
 

What do you hope to get next?

Carol

On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 10:52, penstrassoe <penstrassoe@...> wrote:
Se want to sell our 2 year old Symbol, in good condition and still in warranty until May. It has the Premium and Winter packs fitted so is easy to drive and usable all year. Look at the Autosleeper website and you'll see, in essence, our van.....
We're in Cornwall, please message me for details,

Cheers,

Dave

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Autosleeper Symbol for sale

penstrassoe <penstrassoe@...>
 

Se want to sell our 2 year old Symbol, in good condition and still in warranty until May. It has the Premium and Winter packs fitted so is easy to drive and usable all year. Look at the Autosleeper website and you'll see, in essence, our van.....
We're in Cornwall, please message me for details,

Cheers,

Dave


Re: But brexit got in the way and we bought an ex-stock Hymer (big mistake).

Ernest Bull
 

On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:08, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@...> wrote:

I've previously mentioned many Hymer problems, but they are all DESIGN
faults and not build or QC problems.

My Hymer Tramp had a persistent leak. The side bench cushions were getting soaked and one could watch the water trickle from the bottom of the sliding side window, I took it back to Germany several times and they fiddled with the side window. Fitting new rubbers and so on, but it kept happening. 

Years later, I found the real problem. The water was getting in under the corner edge beading on the roof. It was running down inside the wall (The locker was dry and no sign of wet.) and leaking onto the top of the side window frame, then all round the frame and out onto the inside wall and down behind the back cushion. Easily fixed using Capt. Tolley’s Creeping Crack Cure: - 
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ErnB


Re: But brexit got in the way and we bought an ex-stock Hymer (big mistake).

Alan Morris
 

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 13:37, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with your general observations, Brian.
I've found British built (motor) caravans to be generally poor quality.

I remember visiting a dealer in Suffolk about 4 years ago. On
entering their car park, we saw a visiting service vehicle close to a
new British MH on display for selling. The over cab window/roof light
seal was being repaired.

Another British MH we were looking over had a rear wide opening door
with a top hinge. After exiting via this door, I noticed about 80mm
of screw thread sticking out. Rather dangerous if one hit it.

I've previously mentioned many Hymer problems, but they are all DESIGN
faults and not build or QC problems.

The problems have been with Loudham, before delivery, installed
options. Loudham's workshop manager and staff do not have much
experience and knowledge of the products they sell and install. OK,
I'm 76 next month and have been caravaning since 1967, but have
significantly more experience and knowledge of the options I wanted
installed. But I'm a retired electronics eng. and have not worked in
the caravan industry!

The Hymer had a re-call on the central part of the bedding support.
It's two single with a 2/3 cushion between. We don't use the other
1/3 cushion and it is stored at home for when we sell.

One LED light over a bed was faulty, Loudhams could not understand
the problem. The LED was always on at a very low level and only
visible in low light conditions i.e. all windows and roof lights
covered with their OEM blinds etc. I explained that the electronic
touch/touch on/off switch had a leaky component. They told me that
this was not a fault. Eventually, they reluctantly referred to Hymer
for a replacement, which solved the problem. Both were reasonably to
be expected minor problems.

The habitation step was damaged by Loudhams during a service.
Loudhams require customers to present MHs to their display showroom
site. They then inspect the MH for any body damage. The MH is then
driven a few miles to their service location to be worked on and then
driven back to the showroom, using the customers diesel!

Then the MH is presented to the customer to confirm that there is no
body damage. Then I saw that the step was down. Pressing the raise
switch did not work. We had to leave the MH with them (fortunately my
wife had followed me in our small car as we were visiting a local NT
while waiting) overnight for a repair. The shear pin had to be
replaced.

We both later discussed the problem and the 'body language' of the
staff. We were 100% certain that the damage had occurred at the
workshop, but covered it up. We guessed that the driver needed our MH
for his journey back to the salesroom!

We have used winches with shear pins and know that they don't fail
unless over-loaded.

Alan.


Re: But brexit got in the way and we bought an ex-stock Hymer (big mistake).

timsinc Sinclair
 

I agree with your general observations, Brian. I bought 2nd-hand
Rapido A-class and lived in it full-time for two years and cannot
remember one fault, but maybe old age dimming memory! Interestingly,
guy who bought it from me (I sold to buy a canal boat) said of the
many he had scoured ads for was attracted by the fact that I was a
full-timer. I'd have sorted any possible faults and added all items
required for home-living. Which I had - sat dish, solar, tow-bar for
A-frame, extra batteries, and underfloor gas tanks.

Contrast that with one of my very early vans - a British-made Compass
Drifter. After three years the whole of the 'Luton' front end needed
rebuilding. It had rotted thanks to water ingress. Inbetween I've had
a Laika and a Hobby. Afraid not kept a record of faults of those!
Personal experience, though, saw me clear steer of British-made.

Today I live in a German-made Westfalia camper on a T5. It's an
amazing clever design of a home-for-one in an easy-supermarket-parking
runaround. And I don't worry about sat-nav thinking I'm a car! But
it's had its faults - such as water pump failing twice and, the most
expensive, its diesel heater needing replacing. All the rest, though,
seems to be working fine in its fifth year.

TimS

On 03/10/2019, Brian Reay via Groups.Io <g8osn=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I follow a number of motorhome related groups and it seems virtually all the
motorhome makers/converters have their quality issues.

Some customers seem particularly unlucky (I'm not suggesting more than that)
and have a string of issues- some of which take forever to be resolved.
Others either are extremely lucky, don't notice problems, or overlook them.

Likewise, some manufacturers seem to have worse reputations than others.
British companies seem, based on my observations, to fair worse than
continental ones. Whether this is a valid point or due to some other factor
I can't be sure.

Our first mh had a few minor parts missing, all of which should have been
spotted by the converter (Swift) before it was released to the dealer (the
electric step, a part from the bed, a seat belt cover). Two of these at
least should certainly have been spotted by the dealer before delivery.
Later a leak developed due to poor design in the routing of a waste pipe- it
rubbed on the rear tyre. The fixing was totally inadequate- it must occur on
every similar vehicle. As for the radio reception, it was dreadful. Again,
due to poor design by Swift who had fitted a totally inadequate antenna.
Moreover, it was on ongoing issue in a number of vehicles due to a lack of
understanding of the issues.

Our current mh is a Rapido. We've not had any real issues with it - we've
had it just under a year. Fuel filling is a bit of a pain, the pumps
(regardless of where I fill up) tend to cut out unless I trickle the fuel
in. A few of the trim parts which push in have popped out around the blinds
etc but they push back. Conversely, another owner on the FB group seems to
have a 'Lemon' and is very unhappy with his new Rapido.

A relative has owned several new motorhomes and has had a number of post
delivery issues- including serious plumbing problems. Again most seem to be
due to poor pre-delivery quality checks.

Brian



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Re: But brexit got in the way and we bought an ex-stock Hymer (big mistake).

peter walker
 

Hi Brian,
We have had five new vans over 40 years all with minor /annoying faults so I guess that we have been lucky, three of them were various auto sleepers and the Marquis Lancashire was perhaps the worst but most of the faults on that were after fit dealer item's, we run the van in traveling backwards and forwards to them. Birmingham/Tewksbury.
Our latest van 2015 is a Elddis sunseeker 115 from Westcountry motorhomes so we took a gamble on both the make and dealer as it is a 130 one way trip to get things fixed, but is by far the best van that we have ever had regarding the lack of faults, I agree however that somethings no matter how small should not of got past Elddis quality inspection or WCM PDI.
Pete 


Re: But brexit got in the way and we bought an ex-stock Hymer (big mistake).

Brian Reay
 

I follow a number of motorhome related groups and it seems virtually all the motorhome makers/converters have their quality issues.

Some customers seem particularly unlucky (I'm not suggesting more than that) and have a string of issues- some of which take forever to be resolved. Others either are extremely lucky, don't notice problems, or overlook them. 

Likewise, some manufacturers seem to have worse reputations than others. British companies seem, based on my observations, to fair worse than continental ones. Whether this is a valid point or due to some other factor I can't be sure. 

Our first mh had a few minor parts missing, all of which should have been spotted by the converter (Swift) before it was released to the dealer (the electric step, a part from the bed, a seat belt cover). Two of these at least should certainly have been spotted by the dealer before delivery.  Later a leak developed due to poor design in the routing of a waste pipe- it rubbed on the rear tyre. The fixing was totally inadequate- it must occur on every similar vehicle.  As for the radio reception, it was dreadful. Again, due to poor design by Swift who had fitted a totally inadequate antenna. Moreover, it was on ongoing issue in a number of vehicles due to a lack of understanding of the issues. 

Our current mh is a Rapido. We've not had any real issues with it - we've had it just under a year. Fuel filling is a bit of a pain, the pumps (regardless of where I fill up) tend to cut out unless I trickle the fuel in.  A few of the trim parts which push in have popped out around the blinds etc but they push back.  Conversely, another owner on the FB group seems to have a 'Lemon' and is very unhappy with his new Rapido.  

A relative has owned several new motorhomes and has had a number of post delivery issues- including serious plumbing problems. Again most seem to be due to poor pre-delivery quality checks.

Brian



Re: But brexit got in the way and we bought an ex-stock Hymer (big mistake).

Brent
 

Hi Alan

Very many thanks for your detailed reply/explanation, sorry took so long to respond

Will explain our tale of woes in couple of months as we've just traded it in and they may belong to this site!!!!!

Very best wishes


Re: Microwave advice needed.

Brian Reay
 

We have a small Daewoo 600W one fitted in our A class Rapido. 

In our previous mh we had a Cookworks (Argos) 700W (or so) one. 

We find having a uWave very useful.  It is great for heating milk (Latte Coffee), defrosting,  jacket potatoes... Plus we take a few home prepared frozen meals  mainly for days we are travelling. They can be defrosted enroute and then heated up in the uWave. 

Even on 6A supplies in France the 600W one doesn't cause the breakers to pop.

Brian


Re: Window & roof light seals

Alan Morris
 

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 22:34, Bennett Family <martin@hymer.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On the plus side I love the large Hymer wind -up skylight.
I would agree Martin. One of many excellent design features of our Hymer.

Alan.


On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:35, Alan Morris via Groups.Io <alan.g4ens=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

While commenting about Thetford seal lubricant, reminded me about a
problem with the roof light seals in my Hymer - another item on the
hate list!

If a roof light (or window) has not been opened for some time, the
rubber seal sticks to the light and comes away from it's proper place.

I was advised to use the Thetford seal lubricant, by spraying onto a
paper towel and then rubbing this onto the seal. Unfortunately, this
does not solve the problem. Any suggestions?

Incidentally, this reminds me of another Hymer hate. Why design a
roof with a roof light over the bed? Roof vents can break or leak.

As a Boy Scout, the first golden rule I was taught about camping was
to keep ones bedding dry.

Alan.




Re: Window & roof light seals

Alan Morris
 

Gummi Pfledge looks really good.
Talc lasts about 5 mins!!
Silicon lasts all season.
I had in the past heard about using talc, but it was thought that the
modern product is not like the older talc, and possibly slightly
harmful.

Gummi Pfledge gets good reports, so have ordered some for delivery next week.

Many thanks for all who responded.

Alan


Re: Window & roof light seals

Bennett Family
 

On the plus side I love the large Hymer wind -up skylight.

Martin

On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:35, Alan Morris via Groups.Io <alan.g4ens=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

While commenting about Thetford seal lubricant, reminded me about a
problem with the roof light seals in my Hymer - another item on the
hate list!

If a roof light (or window) has not been opened for some time, the
rubber seal sticks to the light and comes away from it's proper place.

I was advised to use the Thetford seal lubricant, by spraying onto a
paper towel and then rubbing this onto the seal. Unfortunately, this
does not solve the problem. Any suggestions?

Incidentally, this reminds me of another Hymer hate. Why design a
roof with a roof light over the bed? Roof vents can break or leak.

As a Boy Scout, the first golden rule I was taught about camping was
to keep ones bedding dry.

Alan.



Re: Window & roof light seals

I'm Bazbro
 

Gummi Pfledge looks really good.
Talc lasts about 5 mins!!
Silicon lasts all season.

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019, 8:57 pm Ernest Bull, <ernb32@...> wrote:
On 27 Sep 2019, at 19:10, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Not lubricant! Use, as I do, talcum powder.

Maybe better, Gummi Pflege. 
HTH
______

ErnB


Re: Window & roof light seals

Ernest Bull
 

On 27 Sep 2019, at 19:10, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@...> wrote:

Not lubricant! Use, as I do, talcum powder.

Maybe better, Gummi Pflege. 
HTH
______

ErnB


Re: Window & roof light seals

I'm Bazbro
 

Hi Max,
I actually prefer a very thin smear of silicon grease (a bit like Vaseline but not as sticky) available from plumber's merchants, B&Q, etc.  It's a very versatile lubricant, makes rubber seals like new again, stops plastics 'sticking', etc.
Barry

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019, 6:30 pm M Stevenson, <atcop.co@...> wrote:
Hi,

I find that a little bit of talcum powder on the rubber window seals stops them sticking. Just apply sparingly with a finger. No fear of rotting the rubber.

Cheers
Max.



Re: Window & roof light seals

timsinc Sinclair
 

Not lubricant! Use, as I do, talcum powder.

TimS

On 27/09/2019, Alan Morris <alan.g4ens@gmail.com> wrote:
While commenting about Thetford seal lubricant, reminded me about a
problem with the roof light seals in my Hymer - another item on the
hate list!

If a roof light (or window) has not been opened for some time, the
rubber seal sticks to the light and comes away from it's proper place.

I was advised to use the Thetford seal lubricant, by spraying onto a
paper towel and then rubbing this onto the seal. Unfortunately, this
does not solve the problem. Any suggestions?

Incidentally, this reminds me of another Hymer hate. Why design a
roof with a roof light over the bed? Roof vents can break or leak.

As a Boy Scout, the first golden rule I was taught about camping was
to keep ones bedding dry.

Alan.



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Re: Window & roof light seals

Neill King \(MH-List\)
 

Talc!

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From: motorhome-list@groups.io [mailto:motorhome-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Morris
Sent: 27 September 2019 17:35
To: motorhome-list@groups.io
Subject: [motorhome-list] Window & roof light seals

While commenting about Thetford seal lubricant, reminded me about a
problem with the roof light seals in my Hymer - another item on the
hate list!

If a roof light (or window) has not been opened for some time, the
rubber seal sticks to the light and comes away from it's proper place.

I was advised to use the Thetford seal lubricant, by spraying onto a
paper towel and then rubbing this onto the seal. Unfortunately, this
does not solve the problem. Any suggestions?

Incidentally, this reminds me of another Hymer hate. Why design a
roof with a roof light over the bed? Roof vents can break or leak.

As a Boy Scout, the first golden rule I was taught about camping was
to keep ones bedding dry.

Alan.


Window & roof light seals

M Stevenson
 

Hi,

I find that a little bit of talcum powder on the rubber window seals stops them sticking. Just apply sparingly with a finger. No fear of rotting the rubber.

Cheers
Max.


Window & roof light seals

Alan Morris
 

While commenting about Thetford seal lubricant, reminded me about a
problem with the roof light seals in my Hymer - another item on the
hate list!

If a roof light (or window) has not been opened for some time, the
rubber seal sticks to the light and comes away from it's proper place.

I was advised to use the Thetford seal lubricant, by spraying onto a
paper towel and then rubbing this onto the seal. Unfortunately, this
does not solve the problem. Any suggestions?

Incidentally, this reminds me of another Hymer hate. Why design a
roof with a roof light over the bed? Roof vents can break or leak.

As a Boy Scout, the first golden rule I was taught about camping was
to keep ones bedding dry.

Alan.


Re: BioWash Tablets (was:-Re: [motorhome-list] SOG Exit

Alan Morris
 

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 15:13, timsinc Sinclair <timsinc@gmail.com> wrote:

So back to chemicals and happy to be whiff free - SOG or not, I know not.
I've always found the traditional chemical smell unpleasant. The new
Hymer came with a small sample of the green coloured variety. Even
the unopened bottle has a slight trace of the small in a confined
space. I kept for a while and then it went after smelling the storage
area.

Since 2005, I've been using SOG. I would have thought that with a
small motorhome and full-timing a SOG would be advantageous.

After quick rinse, though, I always spray with seal lubricant.
I always use the Thetford seal lubricant.

Alan

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