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Russian Soldiers' Calls Home Echo Moral Injury Testimony of Vietnam Vets
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would say that Applebaum , is indeed a fierce anticommunist but, also a historian. The comment by him reminded me of what was said about C.Wright Mills , by some department chair of a major Sociology Dept., when Mills was alive,"He's not a sociologist , he's a marxist!" I've never understood , the habit of too many activists , whether of the left or the right, to refuse to read the scholarly or journalistic work of those that oppose their little dogmas. If it is written to a high standard , work that challenges one's pov, s/b read , inconvenient and uncomfortable as it may to one's psychological state . I see it is Mark Tauger , as the author of the piece sent. For critiques of his work, ,"Davies and Wheatcroft criticized Tauger's methodology in the 2004 edition of The Years of Hunger.[31][41] ," Davies, Robert; Wheatcroft, Stephen (2004). The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931–1933. The Industrialisation of Soviet Russia. Vol. 5. , d/i a copy via LibGen , https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=AF63CCCF78D8AEDDEE62F9847217E6A0 , ,"Tauger criticized Davies and Wheatcroft's methodology in a 2006 article.[42] In the 2009 edition of their book, Davies and Wheatcroft apologized for "an error in our calculations of the 1932 [grain] yield" and stated grain yield was "between 55 and 60 million tons, a low harvest, but substantially higher than Tauger's 50 million."[43] While they disagree on the exact tonnage of the harvest, they reach a similar conclusion as Tauger in their book's most recent edition and state that "there were two bad harvests in 1931 and 1932, largely but not wholly a result of natural conditions",[44] and "in our own work we, like V.P. Kozlov, have found no evidence that the Soviet authorities undertook a programme of genocide against Ukraine. ... We do not think it appropriate to describe the unintended consequences of a policy as 'organised' by the policy-makers."[45] In a 2002 article for The Ukrainian Weekly, David R. Marples criticized Tauger's choice of rejecting state figures in favour of those from collective farms, where there was an incentive to underestimate yields, and he argued that Tauger's conclusion is incorrect because in his view "there is no such thing as a 'natural' famine, no matter the size of the harvest. A famine requires some form of state or human input." Marples criticized Tauger and other scholars for failing "to distinguish between shortages, droughts and outright famine", commenting that people died in the millions in Ukraine but not in Russia because "the 'massive program of rationing and relief' was selective."[46] " via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question#Mark_Tauger Davies, co-wrote a number of volumes with E.H. Carr , of Carr's magisterial series of historical works on the Russian Revolution and its trajectory. For a set of exchanges he had with Robert Conquest , see, https://newleftreview.org/issues/i219/articles/r-w-davies-reply-to-robert-conquest , "1. Regarding Conquest’s pre-perestroika estimates of excess deaths in the 1930s, in The Great Terror Conquest estimated that 3,500,000 people died during collectivization, 3,500,000 in the camps up to 1936, two million in the camps in 1937–38, and that in addition there were one million executions. footnote1 These add up to ten million, and obviously exclude the famine. In Harvest of Terror he claimed that at a minimum fourteen million peasants alone died prematurely in the 1930s, including seven million in the famine, and that 70–80 per cent of those in the camps were peasants.footnote2 These figures certainly imply at least seventeen million excess deaths in total. 2. Eleven million excess deaths in 1926–36 cannot be ‘readily deduced’ from the 1926 and 1937 population census data because we do not know the true birth rate, especially during the famine..." Follow ups, https://newleftreview.org/issues/i225/articles/robert-conquest-stalin-s-victims-a-reply-to-r-w-davies , https://newleftreview.org/issues/i225/articles/r-w-davies-reply-to-robert-conquest . Note Conquest backed down on his earlier estimates of the toll of Stalinist repression , found in ,"The Great Terror: Stalin's Purge of the Thirties," originally published in 1968, and ,'The Harvest of Sorrow," originally published in 1986, which were some years before the Soviet era archives opened up. "Wheatcroft and Davies noted that Conquest (the author of The Harvest of Sorrow) would later go on to walk back much of the claims made in his earlier book. In a 2003 letter, Conquest clarified to them that "Stalin purposely inflicted the 1933 famine? No. What I argue is that with resulting famine imminent, he could have prevented it, but put "Soviet interest" other than feeding the starving first thus consciously abetting it."[32][23] In a 2008 interview with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Conquest further stated of the famine that "I don't think the word genocide as such is a very useful one ... the trouble is it implies that somebody, some other nation, or a large part of it were doing it ... But I don't think this is true – it wasn't a Russian exercise, the attack on the Ukrainian people."[34]" Professors R. W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcroft state the famine was man-made but unintentional. They believe that a combination of rapid industrialization and two successive bad harvests (1931 and 1932) were the primary reason of the famine.[31][32] Davies and Wheatcroft agree that Stalin's policies towards the peasants were brutal and ruthless and do not absolve Stalin from responsibility for the massive famine deaths; Wheatcroft says that the Soviet government's policies during the famine were criminal acts of fraud and manslaughter, though not outright murder or genocide.[14][a] Wheatcroft comments that nomadic and peasant culture was destroyed by Soviet collectivization, which complies with Raphael Lemkin's older concept of genocide, which included cultural destruction as an aspect of the crime, such as that of North American Indians and Australian Aborigines.[14][b] In his 2018 article "The Turn Away from Economic Explanations for Soviet Famines", Wheatcroft wrote:[33] We all agreed that Stalin's policy was brutal and ruthless and that its cover up was criminal, but we do not believe that it was done on purpose to kill people and cannot therefore be described as murder or genocide. ... Davies and I have (2004) produced the most detailed account of the grain crisis in these years, showing the uncertainties in the data and the mistakes carried out by a generally ill-informed, and excessively ambitious, government. The state showed no signs of a conscious attempt to kill lots of Ukrainians and belated attempts that sought to provide relief when it eventually saw the tragedy unfolding were evident. ... But in the following ten years there has been a revival of the 'man-made on purpose' side. This reflects both a reduced interest in understanding the economic history, and increased attempts by the Ukrainian government to classify the 'famine as a genocide'. It is time to return to paying more attention to economic explanations. Michael Ellman critiqued Davies and Wheatcroft's view of intent as too narrow, stating:[13] According to them [Davies and Wheatcroft], only taking an action whose sole objective is to cause deaths among the peasantry counts as intent. Taking an action with some other goal (e.g. exporting grain to import machinery) but which the actor certainly knows will also cause peasants to starve does not count as intentionally starving the peasants. However, this is an interpretation of 'intent' which flies in the face of the general legal interpretation." For a sample of Wheatcroft's scholarship , see /https://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-German_Soviet.pdf ," "The Scale and Nature of German and Soviet Repression and Mass Killings, 1930–45." and https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1080/07409710490491447 ," Wheatcroft, Stephen (2004). "Towards explaining Soviet famine of 1931–3: Political and natural factors in perspective". Food and Foodways. 12 (2): 107–136 . A rather tendentious attack on Conquest's work, which is not w/o its biases , shall we say, but, I would assert s/b read just like Applebaum's for a well rounded perspective on the collectivization and the Holodomor, see, https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/11/21/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/ , which relies on the work of a Canadian Stalinist, ,"Fraud, Famine, and Fascism ," http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf which Applebaum rips apart in an appendix to her book , (d/l a copy via LibGen , http://library.lol/main/E4BF220B99DBD28665118F48F92C1CAA ) . Coplon's article in the Village Voice , formed the basis for one of Alexander Cockburn's ,"Beat The Devil," column in The Nation , after which there was an avalanche of Letters to the Editor, with some readers canceling their subscriptions. Cockburn as was his way, bent the stick way too far in his anti-anti-Stalinist mode. The style of the deniers of the Holodomor, is still in vogue among some , see, https://sputniknews.com/20151019/holodomor-hoax-invented-hitler-west-1028730561.html#ixzz3p4U6wHIZ , https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-denies-stalins-killer-famine . |
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Dennis Brasky
Translations of intercepted calls from Russian soldiers in Ukraine reveal guilt, shame, anger, and loss of faith in national institutions and leadership that echo the testimony of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Will these veterans help launch resistance to Russian militarism. https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/184347 |
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