Al Jazeera on a likely Trump victory in 2024


John Reimann
 

Here is an excellent article on why Trump will almost certainly be the Republican candidate in 2024, assuming his health holds up. It also points out that at this time Trump is ahead of Biden in the opinion polls. That was never the case during 2020. Much of the article explains the extreme danger of a second Trump presidency, but it does not spare the Democrats. Bisarwa, the author of the article and senior political analyst of al Jazeera, uses Woodward's last book as a jumping off point. But he explains that Woodward is entirely uncritical not only of those former Trump officials who either quit or were fired, but also of the military, and other forces. Well worth reading... and scary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/10/4/will-trump-run-again-and

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Farans Kalosar
 


Let's hope that the current wave of labor militancy is not a mirage.


Ken Hiebert
 

Given his age and poor physical condition, he may not be a candidate in 2024. But he very well could be.
I think the response cannot be limited to an electoral campaign, which under present conditions means rallying behind the Democrats.
All forms of non-electoral campaigns are important. Black Lives Matter, union organizing drives, the renewed campaign for abortion rights, Palestine solidarity and you could think of many more.

I have a chuckle when I think of the Republicans who thought they’d stick with Trump and then run in 2024. Paul Ryan comes to mind. Mike Pence is another.

ken h


abraham Weizfeld PhD
 

Ken,

with respect, we cannot rally behind the Democrats - unless Bernie Sanders becomes the candidate and independent socialist.

abraham

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Given his age and poor physical condition, he may not be a candidate in 2024. But he very well could be.
I think the response cannot be limited to an electoral campaign, which under present conditions means rallying behind the Democrats.
All forms of non-electoral campaigns are important. Black Lives Matter, union organizing drives, the renewed campaign for abortion rights, Palestine solidarity and you could think of many more.

I have a chuckle when I think of the Republicans who thought they’d stick with Trump and then run in 2024. Paul Ryan comes to mind. Mike Pence is another.

ken h


Michael Yates
 

Sanders will be 83.  Why would anyone want such an old man to be president? Not to mention that he has had a heart attack. And please don't tell me he is really young at heart and other such nonsense. 


Gary MacLennan
 

Michael

I am 79 and I am here to testify that there is no such thing as "young at heart"!  But the US does seem to be governed by a gerontocracy, and that is a problem. The Prince of Darkness, otherwise known as Rupert Murdoch, is 90. To be frank, if everyone my age were to drop dead, the world would be a much more progressive place. We are on the cusp of a revolt of the youth. My dearest wish is to see it

comradely

Gary



On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 6:26 AM Michael Yates <mikedjyates@...> wrote:
Sanders will be 83.  Why would anyone want such an old man to be president? Not to mention that he has had a heart attack. And please don't tell me he is really young at heart and other such nonsense. 


Roger Kulp
 

Trump's age and health is a consideration, but he is still a likely contender for 2024, for reasons we all know too well. What's more, I think he stands a good chance of being reelected. If he does run again, there is a good possibility he could pick a much younger running mate even further to the right.


Michael Meeropol
 

I KNOW this is a pollyanna response -- but I think the majority (maybe as many as 60 percent) of the country has NOT been taken in by Trump's lies and sees him for what he is.

Unlike 2020 when the pandemic reduced the ability of the Dems to go door to door, 2024 will be conducted in an "all hands on deck" response to the danger of a second Trump term.   People who will "crawl through broken glass to vote against Trump" will flood the polls.  YES, voter suppression will be a serious problem but I sincerely believe (again pollyanna??) that the public at large is DONE with Trump === either for good reasons, they see him as a racist, fascist, misogynist, xenophobic pig who is enabling anti-choice and anti-immigration extremists with whom the majority of the people strongly disagree ---

So I see a Trump renomination as a GOOD THING for the Dems ---

NOW --- whether that helps or hinders the development of independent working class solidarity and political activity, don't know about that --- because a Trump candidacy also brings people like me --- radicals who should 
"known better" into working for the Dems ---

(there I confessed it!!)

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:51 AM Roger Kulp <leucovorinsaves@...> wrote:
Trump's age and health is a consideration, but he is still a likely contender for 2024, for reasons we all know too well. What's more, I think he stands a good chance of being reelected. If he does run again, there is a good possibility he could pick a much younger running mate even further to the right.
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Andrew Stewart
 

I think that a serious component of this will be the midterm outcomes AS WELL AS the not so remote possibility that Biden opts to be a one term president and defers to Harris.

With the midterms, things will hinge upon whether the victorious Republicans ally with Trump or the institutional leadership, many of whom are still righteously pissed at Trump still over the January 6 raid on the Capitol. The winning faction will play a decisive role at the Convention.

With Biden potentially stepping aside, can you imagine a repeat of 1968? Admittedly the margins of possibility are far more constrained than they were 50+ years ago, the conventions are not decided by the old ward boss machines and the American Left is not as cohesive because of a variety of issues. But still, the parallels are eerily similar…


Michael Meeropol
 

EXCEPT -- in 1968, the Dems were the party of the Vietnam War and were hated by a strong, almost totally united left.

NOW -- the left is disunited because of the faction that sees Trump as a new Mussolini/Hitler and I think that group is a higher percentage of the "left" such as it is ....

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:28 PM Andrew Stewart <hasc.warrior.stew@...> wrote:



With Biden potentially stepping aside, can you imagine a repeat of 1968? Admittedly the margins of possibility are far more constrained than they were 50+ years ago, the conventions are not decided by the old ward boss machines and the American Left is not as cohesive because of a variety of issues. But still, the parallels are eerily similar…

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Roger Kulp
 

In response to Michael Meeropol,

The Democrats have been a right wing party ever since the crashing defeat of George Mc Govern,and the breakup of the old Great Society coalitions. Reactionaries like Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi  have only accelerated this move to the right. Every time anybody progressive, from Jesse Jackson, to Dennis Kucinich, to Nina Turner stands any chance of winning an election, their campaigns are sabotaged by any number of dirty tricks from the party establishment, that would give old Tricky Dick pause. To say nothing of  the likes AOC, and others in The Squad, who reposition themselves sharply to "the center" once they get into office, and reveal themselves as the career climbing opportunists they truly are. Any Marxist who works for the DSA, otherwise known as the left wing of the Democratic Party, is being played for a sucker if they believe this is a pathway out of the capitalist/imperialist hellhole we find ourselves in.

There I said it.

The only reason I can think of a Marxist might cheer on a second Trump term, is by advancing the accelerationist argument, that a second Trump term might bring us closer to the circumstances that would foment revolution, and/or radicalize enough liberals into becoming Marxists. We can argue back and forth all day whether this is a viable tactic or not, but that is a topic for anther thread.


Roger Kulp
 

EXCEPT -- in 1968, the Dems were the party of the Vietnam War and were hated by a strong, almost totally united left.

We will  likely see that being flipped with Trump, and the Republicans turning Afghanistan into a campaign issue to crusify Biden on.
 


Dennis Brasky
 

The German CP after Hitler came to power - "In 6 months it will be our turn!"

How did that work out???


On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:28 PM Roger Kulp <leucovorinsaves@...> wrote:

The only reason I can think of a Marxist might cheer on a second Trump term, is by advancing the accelerationist argument, that a second Trump term might bring us closer to the circumstances that would foment revolution, and/or radicalize enough liberals into becoming Marxists. We can argue back and forth all day whether this is a viable tactic or not, but that is a topic for anther thread._._,_


Mark Lause
 

That portion of "the Left" with a message that jibes with that of the corporate media is always going to be the largest portion of "the Left." 

There are signs that the MAGA swarm has been dissipating slowly. 

There shouldn't be the most remote chance of Trump getting the nomination and the election.  Given the complete mess he's made of everything he touched and the rank criminality of his administration, no sane voter could want it back, save for the abysmal failure of the Democrats to function as even a minimally self-interested opposition party to a GOP that's gone into a totally certifiably mad spiral.  What have the Democrats ever actually held Republican criminals to account for crimes in office?

If we want to understand how Trump managed to get away with the crap he did in office, we should ask ourselves who let him get away with it.

Cheers,
Mark L.





Dayne Goodwin
 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:12 PM Mark Lause <markalause@gmail.com> wrote:
. . . There are signs that the MAGA swarm has been dissipating slowly.
There shouldn't be the most remote chance of Trump getting the nomination and the election. . .

Consider this:
The most alarming Trump rally yet; Opinion by Dean Obeidallah, CNN, October 10
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/opinions/trump-iowa-rally-gop-embrace-obeidallah/index.html

Some very good polling news for Donald Trump; Analysis by Lauren
Dezenski, CNN, October 7
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics/trump-iowa-poll/index.html


On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:12 PM Mark Lause <markalause@gmail.com> wrote:

That portion of "the Left" with a message that jibes with that of the corporate media is always going to be the largest portion of "the Left."

There are signs that the MAGA swarm has been dissipating slowly.

There shouldn't be the most remote chance of Trump getting the nomination and the election. Given the complete mess he's made of everything he touched and the rank criminality of his administration, no sane voter could want it back, save for the abysmal failure of the Democrats to function as even a minimally self-interested opposition party to a GOP that's gone into a totally certifiably mad spiral. What have the Democrats ever actually held Republican criminals to account for crimes in office?

If we want to understand how Trump managed to get away with the crap he did in office, we should ask ourselves who let him get away with it.


Susan Redge MD
 

Funny. There is no shortage of issues Repugs can crucify Biden on. He is a disaster, Harris is a catastrophe. We are toast.

On Oct 10, 2021, at 11:37 PM, Dayne Goodwin <daynegoodwin@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:12 PM Mark Lause <markalause@gmail.com> wrote:
. . . There are signs that the MAGA swarm has been dissipating slowly.
There shouldn't be the most remote chance of Trump getting the nomination and the election. . .

Consider this:
The most alarming Trump rally yet; Opinion by Dean Obeidallah, CNN, October 10
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/opinions/trump-iowa-rally-gop-embrace-obeidallah/index.html

Some very good polling news for Donald Trump; Analysis by Lauren
Dezenski, CNN, October 7
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics/trump-iowa-poll/index.html


On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:12 PM Mark Lause <markalause@gmail.com> wrote:

That portion of "the Left" with a message that jibes with that of the corporate media is always going to be the largest portion of "the Left."

There are signs that the MAGA swarm has been dissipating slowly.

There shouldn't be the most remote chance of Trump getting the nomination and the election. Given the complete mess he's made of everything he touched and the rank criminality of his administration, no sane voter could want it back, save for the abysmal failure of the Democrats to function as even a minimally self-interested opposition party to a GOP that's gone into a totally certifiably mad spiral. What have the Democrats ever actually held Republican criminals to account for crimes in office?

If we want to understand how Trump managed to get away with the crap he did in office, we should ask ourselves who let him get away with it.




Andrew Stewart
 

Given the complete mess he's made of everything he touched and the rank criminality of his administration, no sane voter could want it back…”
To quote Bob Dylan, sanity is just a four letter word.


Farans Kalosar
 

The "totally united" left in '68 were IMO united mostly in opposition to the Vietnam war--an opposition kindled to some extent by the outrage of [white} male college students over the fact that some of their kind, when drafted, were getting killed in the war or otherwise (eventully) by the National Guard in demonstrations.  "How many kids did you kill today" IMO meant that as much as the "kids" murdered  at My Lai.

The left were NOT united in favor of socialism, IMO.  In fact, the so-called "counterculture" in many respects merely extended the traditional transcendental individualism of the American folk ideology to cover the Vietnam issue.  Let's not forget where Ken Kesey, Jerry Rubin, and a slew of other "left" figures wound up. If you ask me, it was to a great extent this red-brown, gimmicky, cracker-barrel "libertarian" anti-left, that has led to the dead-end individualist/moralist conspiracism now ravaging the political intelligence of Americans in general.  The  otherwise great Alexander Cockburn exemplified the dilemma when he opened the pages of Counterpunch to the likes of Pat Buchanan.

I think the most hopeful political sign in the US right now is the current broad--and possibly ephemeral--wave of strike activity.  If this peters out or ends in more Sixties-style transcendentalism or Occupy-style non-organization, that would be very bad news.  Tucker Carlson is waiting--let's not go into that parlor again.




Michael Meeropol
 

Agree with comrade Farans --- 

If the strike wave is as positive a development as we think it is --- it seems to me that the creation of a NATIONAL STRIKE FUND for all the militant workers who need sustenance and even legal help should their strike be deemed "illegal" --- as for example many teachers' strikes would be --- would be a good way for liberals and (well off) leftists to put their money where their mouths are. 

I guess the issue would be which organizations would start such a fund.  I imagine individual unions have them and perhaps NURSES UNITED and the FLIGHT ATTENDANTS might join together to issue a call for a national strike fund ---

Just not sure who would be the people to contact to suggest launching such a fund ....

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 2:52 PM Farans Kalosar <fkalosar101@...> wrote:
The "totally united" left in '68 were IMO united mostly in opposition to the Vietnam war--an opposition kindled to some extent by the outrage of [white} male college students over the fact that some of their kind, when drafted, were getting killed in the war or otherwise (eventully) by the National Guard in demonstrations.  "How many kids did you kill today" IMO meant that as much as the "kids" murdered  at My Lai.

The left were NOT united in favor of socialism, IMO.  In fact, the so-called "counterculture" in many respects merely extended the traditional transcendental individualism of the American folk ideology to cover the Vietnam issue.  

I think the most hopeful political sign in the US right now is the current broad--and possibly ephemeral--wave of strike activity.  If this peters out or ends in more Sixties-style transcendentalism or Occupy-style non-organization, that would be very bad news.  Tucker Carlson is waiting--let's not go into that parlor again.



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