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OOPS --- not so fast
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Michael Meeropol
Dear Comrades --- Much as I'd like to "close the thread" about vaccine hesitancy, I think this piece by an emergency room physician is worth reading -- It opens a different perspective on those resisting the vaccine and suggests there has to be a way to compassionately "discuss" vaccination rather than getting angry and repressive with the anti-vaxxers --- What follows did not completely convince me (I think tough rules need to be made and "consequences" need to be distributed --- refusal to take the vaccine could literally kill someone else) but it did make me think HOPE THIS LINK WORKS |
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Not responding to Michaels post... I agree w/ him about wrapping the current discussion Rather than completely freaking out one way or another While folks are working and dealing in whatever way w/ the immediate Covid situation and its variants Why not learn more about the how and why of viruses In the end humans may come to realize it appears they are their own worst enemy. Brian Gibbons |
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hari kumar
Michael: I have sympathy with the physician (Dr Leap) writing that piece that you linked to. Of course the people concerned are not 'stupid'. All the examples chosen ("Why does a patient with diabetes come to the emergency department with a blood sugar over 500, having failed to take insulin for 2 weeks? Why does the patient with lung disease continue to smoke two packs per day despite struggling to breathe around the clock? What prompts the elderly patient with abdominal pain to sign out and go home to be with her dog? And for heaven's sake, why do young people take that first hit of heroin or methamphetamine?") - have socio-political dimensions that Dr Leap tries in teh limits of the article, to show. |
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hari kumar
Sorry auto spell correct error:
"invitation in an ICU" should of course be "intubation in an ICU". Hari |
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R.O.
It seems you are the agent provocateur now; by telling us that vaccination for the flu is of the same order as mandatory vaccination for Covid which is registered in a government 'pass sanitaire'. Ridiculous.
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On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 05:50 PM, hari kumar wrote: This may not be welcome but I ask anyway. Why are jobs supported in any way by state resources, not mandating Vxx for work? I gather some Trade unions oppose this. I do not think that is progressive in any way. I had no choice in Philly or Canada but to be vaxxed for flu - even though the mutability and unpredictability of this yearly vaxx was quite variable o my understanding. but it was (and is) the right thing to do. |
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Farans Kalosar
You do have to make a distinction between the terrorized and deluded victims of the anti-vax hoax and the criminals who have caused this unprecedented collapse of social solidarity. But that distinction should not lead to "liberalism" toward antivaxism, which must IMO be severely and--where necessary--forcibly repressed in the interests of that greater humanity in which we all sort of believe although it does not yet actually exist.
I have a nephew who is a diehard Trumpist. He is not stupid--has a chess rating of something like 180, but dropped out of college after a year or so, and works on computers for the state gov't where he lives. Personally he is a sweet guy in his way--loves roses, kittens, puppies, and music both classical and otherwise, as well as certain people including Yours Truly (I think), to whom he is emotionally deeply loyal.. The exception to this lovingkindness is his oldest sister, whom he is forever repudiating and to whom he seldom speaks. He suffers from the curse of religious mania. He has two beautiful sons, one grown and the other rapidly reaching his majority. Everyone in our tiny and far-flung unhappy family loves both of them. He would die for them. He is on and off Facebook, where he continually closes and reopens his account in the interstices of being criticized for his Trumpist propaganda. He's taught himself a significant amount of German and French, can draw a bit, and would would die for his sons. Moreover, despite a temper that can be volcanic, he is deeply non-violent personally--a big fellow who played a bit of football in high school and could fight if he wanted to. He wants nothing to do AFAIK with the gun culture and is IMO incapable of a mass shooting or assassination. Both sons still live at home for reasons that don't discredit the older son. The boys got themselves vaccinated behind their father's back. When one of them told my niece what they had done, he added, "Don't tell Dad." No amount of handholding and sensitive counseling is going to correct his guy's outlook, which includes an element of outright delusion. I do love him, but personal love is overrated. It shouldn't stand in the way of that larger Eros that probably does, as per Freud and Marcuse, roughly tie civilizations together, but which has been critically undermined by late capitalism and its ideo-pathologies, and which has never yet been manifested consistently across entire civilizations. Stern and, if necessary, forcible coercion must be applied even to him, not to mention the tens of millions of pickup-truck-and-football-chewing homicidal he-men who tyrannize over everyone within fist's reach, creating terror in the women, children, and weaker men who cower in their shadows. These felons have caused and are perpetuating the gigantic pool of non-vaccination in which ever-more-dangerous versions of the virus incubate. Compare the situation now with the situation during the polio epidemic of the 1950s, when a sufficient level of vaccination was achieved without the threatened collapse of the Constitution--and without the incredibly profitable blessing of Pfizer and the other capitalist monstrosities for which we are now supposed to root like little cheerleaders. Michael Meeropol, IMO, is not only a brilliant fellow and one to be deeply respected but also, it seems, an unusually kind and decent person. But we can't be kind to everyone at all times. Antivaxism is a criminal conspiracy. It should be dealt with sternly, authoritatively, and without hesitation. Effective decimation of the leadership, if feasible, would be IMO a good thing. This has to be stopped dead by whatever means can be brought to bear, but least of all by thoughts, prayers, and (so to speak) Haydn quartets or the songs of Joan Baez. |
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Louis Proyect
On 8/2/21 1:13 PM, R.O. wrote:
It seems you are the agent provocateur now; by telling us that vaccination for the flu is of the same order as mandatory vaccination for Covid which is registered in a government 'pass sanitaire'. Ridiculous. Hari referred to you as a provocateur. I think he
meant it as interchangeable with troll, which is really what you
are. You replied that he is an agent-provocateur, which is a
slander that you probably didn't think through. My advice is to
lay off the pandemic stuff or else I will have to remove you. |
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R.O.
Really? I'll shut up. Goodnight.
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On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 07:39 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
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