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John Obrien
 

Jeffrey Masko may I suggest you become more familiar with the history of discrimination against 
Southern and East European immigrant laborers, that was especially rampant in the USA.  Those 
of Italian ancestry were viewed as "lessers" (non-white) in the U. S. by the WASPS. 

Australia banned immigration of Chinese and Italian laborers up to recent times.

My parents were both Irish ancestry, but my Catholic godfather was a good Italian laborer
Tony Metro, who as my parents had voted for another Italian, by the name Vito Marcantonio,
a U. S. Congressman elected, as the American Labor Party candidate.    

Italian ancestry radicals and oppressed laborers in many of the most historic U. S. labor struggles. 
Joe Ettor & Arturo Giovanitti in the historic Lawrence MA and Patterson NJ textile strikes and the 
martyrs Anna LoPizzo  in Lawrence shot by the police, and Sacco & Vanzetti who were murdered 
by the state government - because of their being in part: Italian.    
  



 
On 10/6/20 10:59 AM, Jeffrey Masko wrote:
Ok, I got it.......... but.

None of this is acceptable. As I've said repeatedly, this is not social media. We need to aspire to a higher standard. As a rule of thumb, posts should be dispassionate and high-minded even when I fail to meet those standards myself.


Jerry Monaco
 



When my Southern Italian ancestry Grandfather moved from Upstate New York to the south in 1963 he went to register to vote and was told he had to take a test on the constitution. He was denied the right to vote three times. He was pretty dark-skinned as many Italians from Southern Italy are. 

The bad joke was on him; he was as racist as the people who denied him the core. He was a racist in the obvious ways you can see in some Scorcese films. I sometimes wonder if he was so racist because he so much did not want to be "colored." He feared being categorized as colored. 


fkalosar101@...
 

The paradox of "whiteness" and the source of its coercive power is that so many fall through the net of its contradictory definition.  One speaks of "WASPS" but anyone with the common admixture of German, Scottish, and/or Irish (either Protestant or Papist) is not a WASP because not provably "anglo-saxon" whatever that may mean.  Unless your name is Wigglesworth or the like, you are not really a WASP. And the vast mob of "Scotch-Irish" (by no means confined to Appalachia) are commonly admixed, even in places like Virginia, with the genes of what non-German people in places like Ohio used to refer to as "slab-footed Kraut farmers."  

These boring, B-flat West European mongrels are as "white" as it is possible to be, but they are not and never will be what the British ruling class might call "quite the thing."  If they aren't hillbillies they have no tangible ethnicity or as it were sex appeal at all.  They are by nature mediocre, not very bright, and on the whole neither much of one thing nor of another.  

These are the "white people" who love Trump--self-reproaching, self-condemned nobodies. The racist mobs claim to "love white people" but the truth is--despite the glamour images of whiteness that float above us and beyond the reach of anybody who isn't a "beautiful Kennedy"--and how white are the Irish anyway?--that nobody can love white people as such without hating some other group, or all other groups. 

Whiteness and its contradictions betoken the inevitable failure of liberal democracy and therefore of capitalism--it stands for the failure of "the human" and "human nature" to come into existence: in short, for the actual non-existence of the human race.  That race is something that will only come to be, IMO, if "humanity" can surpass and transcend the extinction currently inherent in the condition of human beings, which stems from the continuation of evolution by other means in human history.  I don't believe that there is any ready exit from the traps of civilization and technology--no spiritual community or return to nature outside of history.  There is no choice IMO but to get through it, bullshit jobs, technology, vast infrastructure, and all.  If that isn't possible "humanity" is doomed, though on what actual time scale is nobody knows.


Jeffrey Masko
 

I am familiar with how Immigrants have become white in the United States; I have a book review of Robert Carley’s book on Gramsci where he studies the southern question in depth. My comments were In no way taking away from the racial status of immigrants from Irish to Italian. I just wanted to point out that no objections were made when folks use terms like poor white trash. 


On Tuesday, October 6, 2020, John Obrien <causecollector@...> wrote:
Jeffrey Masko may I suggest you become more familiar with the history of discrimination against 
Southern and East European immigrant laborers, that was especially rampant in the USA.  Those 
of Italian ancestry were viewed as "lessers" (non-white) in the U. S. by the WASPS. 

Australia banned immigration of Chinese and Italian laborers up to recent times.

My parents were both Irish ancestry, but my Catholic godfather was a good Italian laborer
Tony Metro, who as my parents had voted for another Italian, by the name Vito Marcantonio,
a U. S. Congressman elected, as the American Labor Party candidate.    

Italian ancestry radicals and oppressed laborers in many of the most historic U. S. labor struggles. 
Joe Ettor & Arturo Giovanitti in the historic Lawrence MA and Patterson NJ textile strikes and the 
martyrs Anna LoPizzo  in Lawrence shot by the police, and Sacco & Vanzetti who were murdered 
by the state government - because of their being in part: Italian.    
  



 
On 10/6/20 10:59 AM, Jeffrey Masko wrote:
Ok, I got it.......... but.

None of this is acceptable. As I've said repeatedly, this is not social media. We need to aspire to a higher standard. As a rule of thumb, posts should be dispassionate and high-minded even when I fail to meet those standards myself.



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J.A. Masko

"The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned."

           Antonio Gramsci.