Eric Topol on vaccines and the election
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Louis Proyect
Eric Topol is one of the most respected epidemiologists in the USA. My FB friend Greg Gelembuk, who is involved in the field himself, always forwards his Tweets. Topol just posted a very interesting and worrisome series of Tweets about how Trump might conspire with big pharma to hype a vaccine prematurely to help him get elected. Read the Tweets here: https://tinysubversions.com/spooler/?url=https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1307419462744682496
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Jacob Miller <jmiller1982@...>
Democrats who seek to delay a potentially viable vaccine put themselves in the same position as Republicans back in the Spring — they’re putting peoples lives at risk. Not with the intention of benefitting their candidate, but based on the idea that a vaccine approved before the election would benefit their opponent. Jacob
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fkalosar101@...
Which Democrats are seeking to "delay a potentially viable vaccine"? And how specifically are they attempting to do this? I hold no brief for the Demicraps, but this is pure smear. You can rob a burglar and murder a murderer, and it's still robbery and murder.
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Alan Ginsberg
Eric Topol is the co-author of this New York Times op-ed, dated Set. 22, 2020.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/ These Coronavirus Trials Don’t Answer the One Question We Need to KnowWe may not find out whether the vaccines prevent moderate or severe cases of Covid-19. By Peter Doshi and Dr. Doshi is an associate professor at the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy. Dr. Topol is a professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research. If you were to approve a coronavirus vaccine, would you approve one that you only knew protected people only from the most mild form of Covid-19, or one that would prevent its serious complications? The answer is obvious. You would want to protect against the worst cases. But that’s not how the companies testing three of the leading coronavirus vaccine candidates, Moderna, Pfizer and AstraZeneca, whose U.S. trial is on hold, are approaching the problem. According to the protocols for their studies, which they released late last week, a vaccine could meet the companies’ benchmark for success if it lowered the risk of mild Covid-19, but was never shown to reduce moderate or severe forms of the disease, or the risk of hospitalization, admissions to the intensive care unit or death. To say a vaccine works should mean that most people no longer run the risk of getting seriously sick. That’s not what these trials will determine. The Moderna and AstraZeneca studies will involve about 30,000 participants each; Pfizer’s will have 44,000. Half the participants will receive two doses of vaccines separated by three or four weeks, and the other half will receive saltwater placebo shots. The final determination of efficacy will occur after 150 to 160 participants develop Covid-19. But that is only if the trials are allowed to run long enough. Pfizer will look at the accumulating data four times, Moderna twice and AstraZeneca once to determine if efficacy has been established, potentially leading to an early end to the trials. Knowing how a clinical trial defines its primary endpoint — the measure used to determine a vaccine’s efficacy — is critical to understanding the knowledge it is built to discover. In the Moderna and Pfizer trials, even a mild case of Covid-19 — for instance, a cough plus a positive lab test — would qualify and muddy the results. AstraZeneca is slightly more stringent but would still count mild symptoms like a cough plus fever as a case. Only moderate or severe cases should be counted. There are several reasons this is a problem. First, mild Covid-19 is far more common than severe Covid-19, so most of the efficacy data is likely to pertain to mild disease. But there is no guarantee that reducing the risk of mild Covid-19 will also reduce the risk of moderate or severe Covid-19. The reason is that the vaccine may not work equally well in frail and other at-risk populations. Healthy adults, who could form a majority of trial participants, might be less likely to get mild Covid-19, but adults over 65 — particularly those with significant frailty — might still get sick. Second, Moderna and Pfizer acknowledge their vaccines appear to induce side effects that are similar to the symptoms of mild Covid-19. In Pfizer’s early phase trial, more than half of the vaccinated participants experienced headache, muscle pain and chills. If the vaccines ultimately provide no benefit beyond a reduced risk of mild Covid-19, they could end up causing more discomfort than they prevent. Third, even if the studies are allowed to run past their interim analyses, stopping a trial of 30,000 or 44,000 people after just 150 or so Covid-19 cases may make statistical sense, but it defies common sense. Giving a vaccine to hundreds of millions of healthy people based on such limited data requires a real leap of faith. Declaring a winner without adequate evidence would also undermine the studies of other vaccines, as participants in those studies drop out to receive the newly approved vaccine. There may well be insufficient data to address the aged and underrepresented minorities. There will be no data for children, adolescents and pregnant women since they have been excluded. Vaccines must be thoroughly tested in all populations in which they will be used. None of this is to say that these vaccines can’t reduce the risk of serious complications of Covid-19. But unless the trials are allowed to run long enough to address that question, we won’t know the answer. The trials need to focus on the right clinical outcome — whether the vaccines protect against moderate and severe forms of Covid-19 — and be fully completed. It is not too late for the companies to do this, and the Food and Drug Administration, which reviewed the protocols, could still suggest modifications. These are some of the most important clinical trials in history, affecting a vast majority of the planet’s population. It’s hard to imagine how much higher the stakes can be to get this right. Cutting corners should not be an option. Peter Doshi is an associate professor of pharmaceutical health services research at the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy and an associate editor of The BMJ, a medical journal. Eric Topol is a professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research, where he founded and directs the Translational Institute, which is focused on individualized medicine.
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Jacob Miller <jmiller1982@...>
You should understand that there are many companies working on a vaccine in the U.S., and even more around the world. If anything is unprovable, it's that Trump is "conspiring" with one of these companies to rush something to market before its time.
You understand that, even if they claim a vaccine is ready, it will still be a long time before enough of it is produced and distributed to have any effect, right? Given that, an announcement could be made that the vaccine is complete even if it isn't, if the goal is to influence the election. When an antidote was being worked on for the AIDS virus, the organization ACT UP fought to have drugs fast-tracked through the FDA's approval process, and many of them volunteered to have the drugs tested on them, because people were dying, and they cared. Something I don't understand is how people on a Marxism list toe the Democratic Party line so faithfully. Not like the donut Democrats, or the red-rose Democrats, but like satellites that never leave their orbit. Once Topol (in this case) veers from presenting evidence to making political calculations, he becomes just another Democrat partisan. As far as sock puppets are concerned, if you cannot address the ideas in a post, then don't. Organizations fall apart when people like "fkalosar101" start making unfounded accusations about the members. "Agent provocateur" was an effective one, in the past. Jacob
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