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presidential election: Roger Stone urges Trump to declare martial law if election stolen by Dems
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Jacob Miller <jmiller1982@...>
What's needed is for someone from the Democrats to make a similar pronouncement. Someone like James Carville, who has ties to an actual campaign and to the media. He can say that if Trump wins, the army should mobilize and remove him from the White House immediately.
The Democrats need to meet this head-on. Jacob
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Mark Lause
Neither party has the kind of attention span for anything like that kind of a deal. The sharpest of them hardly think past the next election.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 7:36 PM Dayne Goodwin <daynegoodwin@...> wrote: I doubt there is any truth to a claim that there was a literal quid
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Dayne Goodwin
I doubt there is any truth to a claim that there was a literal quid
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pro quo between Republican and Democrats regarding the 1960 and 2000 presidential elections. I don't think that the 1960 corruption (i.e. evidence Louis just provided) would be adequate leverage to effect Democrat behavior forty years later in 2000. I think the Gore/Democrat campaign just caved - probably for social stability and 'the good of the country.' The Democrats did put their loss to good use by blaming the Nader/Green Party campaign and fortifying the capitalists' two-party political system. That Nader cost Gore the 2000 election has become one of those major false "facts" (i.e. U.S. intervened in Vietnam to protect democracy in South Vietnam) regularly reported in the 'news' media.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:09 AM Ken Hiebert <knhiebert@...> wrote:
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Louis Proyect
On 9/19/20 11:09 AM, Ken Hiebert wrote:
It was widely claimed that voter fraud in Illinois swung the election for Kennedy. Connections made in this period would prove useful during JFK’s 1960 Presidential bid. Murray “Curley” Humphreys, the brains behind Al Capone, and his chief executioner Sam Giancana (nicknamed “Moony” because of his psychopathic reputation) had inherited control of the Chicago mob after Capone’s death and built up powerful alliances in the trade union bureaucracy all around the country that helped to tip the balance in Kennedy’s favor in the 1960 primaries race. Using mob lawyer and ex-state attorney general Robert J. McDonnell as a liaison, the Kennedys met with Giancana in Chicago in 1960. According to Russo, a quid pro quo was worked out at this meeting. In exchange for the mob’s help, a Kennedy Justice Department would go easy on them. According to Humphreys’ widow, the mobster was leery of making a deal: “Murray was against it. He remembered Joe Kennedy from the bootlegging days–called him an untrustworthy ‘four flusher’ and a ‘potato eater.’ Something to do with a booze delivery that Joe had stolen. He said that Joe Kennedy could be trusted as far as he, Murray, could throw a piano.” The gangsters focused their efforts on West Virginia, a key swing state. Mob-controlled jukeboxes all across the state began featuring Jack Kennedy’s campaign song, while a Kennedy aide paid tavern owners $20 each day to play it over and over. Meanwhile, a Giancana associate doled out $50,000 across the state to cash-starved local politicians. These bribes paid off handsomely, as Kennedy beat Senator Hubert Humphrey by a 60-40 margin. In the general election, the same pattern could be seen. Trade union bureaucrats poured into Curley Humphreys’ office to receive their marching orders. According to Russo, “Among the regular visitors were Murray Olf, the powerful Washington lobbyist, Teamster official John O’Brien, and East St. Louis boss of the Steamfitters Union, Buster Wortman.” https://louisproyect.org/2013/11/22/who-was-lee-harvey-oswald/
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Ken Hiebert
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 08:57 PM, Dayne Goodwin wrote:
An alarming part of that whole episode is that Gore and the Democrats basically surrendered to the Republican use of force, apparently choosing 'stability' over democratic process.Is there any truth to the claim that this was a quid pro quo for the Republican acceptance of the election of Kennedy in 1960? It was widely claimed that voter fraud in Illinois swung the election for Kennedy. I do not recall where I read these claims. ken h
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Dayne Goodwin
i left out the middle 'Brooks Brothers riot' references: Brooks Brothers Riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot Roger Stone's dirty tricks helped sway the 2000 Florida recount by Ion Sancho, Guest columnist, Tallahassee Democrat, Feb. 3, 2019 https://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/2019/02/03/ion-sancho-roger-stones-dirty-tricks-helped-sway-2000-florida-recount/2742713002/ Ion Sancho was the Leon County Supervisor of Elections during the 2000 recount and appointed by the Florida Supreme Court as the technical adviser to Judge Terry Lewis. This account is an excerpt from his upcoming book about the Florida 2000 recount. The GOP House Thugs Followed the 2000 Brooks Brothers Riot Intimidation Playbook That Stopped the Florida Recount That Would Have Ended in Al Gore's Election Mark Karlin, BuzzFlash, October 24, 2019 https://buzzflash.com/articles/the-gop-house-thugs-followed-the-brooks-brothers-riot-intimidation-playbook
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:57 PM Dayne Goodwin via groups.io <daynegoodwin=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Dayne Goodwin
Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election by Timothy Johnson, Media Matters, Sept. 11 https://www.mediamatters.org/roger-stone/roger-stone-calls-trump-seize-total-power-if-he-loses-election "Stone also said federal authorities should seize all Nevada ballots, federal agents and GOP state officials should “physically” block voting, that Trump should nationalize police forces, and that Trump should order widespread arrests." Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election by Martin Pengally, Guardian, Sept. 13 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election . . . [Stone said] “The ballots in Nevada on election night should be seized by federal marshals and taken from the state. They are completely corrupted. No votes should be counted from the state of Nevada if that turns out to be the provable case. Send federal marshals to the Clark county board of elections, Mr President!” . . . I didn't know that Roger Stone was a leader of the 'Brooks Brothers Riot.' I have been well aware since that 'riot' ended the legal and requisite 2000 recount proceedings in Florida that it was a dangerous use of undemocratic strong-arm tactics (proto-fascist) (along with Supreme Court, etc.) to put W. Bush in office and deprive Gore of the election victory later reviews/recounts showed that Gore had won. An alarming part of that whole episode is that Gore and the Democrats basically surrendered to the Republican use of force, apparently choosing 'stability' over democratic process. The next three references below go more deeply into the 'Brooks Brothers Riot' and a recent similar 'riot'. The first is the brief wikipedia entry on the 'Brooks Brothers Riot', the second goes more deeply into who organized the 'riot' and how it was organized and succeeded, the third one is a report on how Republican congressmen used the same sort of tactic to disrupt the impeachment proceedings last fall. The ideologically extreme right that has taken over the Republican party is obviously prepared to rely on riot tactics. Dayne Here's how Trump will steal the 2020 election interview with Greg Palast, Salon, June 15 https://www.salon.com/2020/06/15/investigative-journalist-greg-palast-heres-how-trump-will-steal-the-2020-election/ Trump and Biden could face dramatic post-election battle — here’s what might happen John Yoo on Fox News, September 5 https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-election-john-yoo Ron Brownstein (CNN) analysis of the general/electoral political situation in the U.S. Why the stability of the 2020 race promises more volatility ahead by Ronald Brownstein, CNN, Sept. 15 https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics/2020-election-american-voter-worldviews/index.html
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