3 RE: 2 RE: AW RE: [marxmail] Between army invasions and settler ‘pogroms,’ the West Bank rises


abraham Weizfeld PhD
 

You cannot avoid the conclusion that while the US has military bases around the world and around Russia, these bases have nuclear bombs. Russia does not.

 

 

 

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Yes it does. And it is not even surprising. Sort of "common knowledge" for decades. It is what in part lead to France pulling out of the military wing of NATO back in the 60s with its "independent nuclear deterrent". The U.S. policy is to say "nothing" about where it stations its extraterritorial nuke armament. As Mark noted U.S. subs equipped with ICBMs prowl all the oceans (as does the Russian navy and coming soon, the Chinese navy). The same could be asked of the British and Canadians as well I suppose. But the U.S. has the second largest arsenal right behind Russia. The Russians and U.S. had a very successful "Swords into Plowshares" program that ran for about 15 years turning Russia's "excess" fission bombs into fuel for U.S. reactors. It was called "Megatons into Megawatts". Fully 10% of U.S. generation was made from old Russian nukes. We should do it with all nukes, starting with the U.S.

David


David Walters
 

I kind of agree. But agreements on nuclear weapons with NATO countries despite security measures to keep their locations secret are likely quite true it is not likely whatesoever that nuclear weapons are on all "US has military bases around the world". There would be no purpose to this and present a security nightmare for the U.S. It is likely that the only NATO countries that have U.S. (or British or French) nuclear WMD are Britain and Germany. The other country is Japan but it is not on bases, per se, but U.S. fleets that call to that country. In fact all U.S. carrier groups likely have some form of nuclear WMD, mostly in the form of cruise missiles.

 

Russia, unlike China, Russia doesn't have bases in other countries. The exception likely is Belarus and the countries/nations it occupies in central Asia. But I've never read anything about Russia have the same sorts of nuclear weapons in these countries. Doesn't mean they are not there, just that I'm ignorant of their existence if are deployed there.

Russia is the largest nuclear weapons state in the world today, bigger than even the U.S. Even with the 1990s down-blending of older smaller nuclear weapons agreed upon by the U.S. and Russia. Russia is the only country that has raised the issue of it using such weapons in the current conflict in Ukraine.

David


Vladimiro Giacche'
 

As said, Italy has many US WMDs on its territory (but in US bases) as well. 

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Il giorno 4 mar 2023, alle ore 16:50, David Walters <david.walters66@...> ha scritto:



It is likely that the only NATO countries that have U.S. (or British or French) nuclear WMD are Britain and Germany. The other country is Japan


David Walters
 

I suspect that anywhere their is a US presence at a NATO base, there is nuclear weapons. Though, realistically this means at NATO airbases and navy bases, not army bases as all US nukes are launched by planes. Another reason to disband NATO.

David


Vladimiro Giacche'
 

In Italy there are 120 NATO bases (should be present further 20 NATO “covered” structures following https://tg24.sky.it/mondo/approfondimenti/nato-italia-basi#03 ).
But we have US bases too. 
(For instance the enormous base of Camp Darby , between Pisa and Livorno, is a US and not a NATO base; Gaeta is a US base etc.). 
In the late 80s (as I remember) there was a parliamentary visit (the first one I think) to some of these bases. My father (at the time senator for the Communist Party) took part to the visit. It became apparent  that there was no control by our authorities on these bases (on both kind of  bases actually). He wrote also an article on the matter.
No improvement since then.

And yes, among the many reasons to disband NATO the one mentioned by David is an important one. 





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Il giorno 5 mar 2023, alle ore 04:11, David Walters <david.walters66@...> ha scritto:

I suspect that anywhere their is a US presence at a NATO base, there is nuclear weapons. Though, realistically this means at NATO airbases and navy bases, not army bases as all US nukes are launched by planes. Another reason to disband NATO.

David


Dayne Goodwin
 

On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 8:50 AM David Walters <david.walters66@...> wrote:
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> Russia, unlike China, Russia doesn't have bases in other countries. The exception likely is Belarus and the countries/nations it occupies in central Asia. ...
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List of Russian military bases abroad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad


On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 8:50 AM David Walters <david.walters66@...> wrote:

I kind of agree. But agreements on nuclear weapons with NATO countries despite security measures to keep their locations secret are likely quite true it is not likely whatesoever that nuclear weapons are on all "US has military bases around the world". There would be no purpose to this and present a security nightmare for the U.S. It is likely that the only NATO countries that have U.S. (or British or French) nuclear WMD are Britain and Germany. The other country is Japan but it is not on bases, per se, but U.S. fleets that call to that country. In fact all U.S. carrier groups likely have some form of nuclear WMD, mostly in the form of cruise missiles.

 

Russia, unlike China, Russia doesn't have bases in other countries. The exception likely is Belarus and the countries/nations it occupies in central Asia. But I've never read anything about Russia have the same sorts of nuclear weapons in these countries. Doesn't mean they are not there, just that I'm ignorant of their existence if are deployed there.

Russia is the largest nuclear weapons state in the world today, bigger than even the U.S. Even with the 1990s down-blending of older smaller nuclear weapons agreed upon by the U.S. and Russia. Russia is the only country that has raised the issue of it using such weapons in the current conflict in Ukraine.

David


David Walters
 

I knew there was some navy and air bases that were exclusively U.S. run/owned. Not all of them of course have nuclear WMD, there would be no point to doing this and make it secure. I've worked on some U.S. navy bases, but in the U.S., in the past.

 

WMD cruise missiles are generally on extremely well protected ships, FYI. Ships like battleships, aircraft carriers and some guided missile destroyers. They are only in packs with other ships for protection. A U.S. "carrier group" usually has one aircraft carrier with nukes onboard and maybe one of these destoyers/cruisers.

David


David Walters
 

So, a regional deployment. The one noted in Crimea was all part of the accords set in the 1990s and then Syria, which is indeed a foreign military base. Likely no nukes in any of these for security reason but we'll never know for sure.