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More on a world rate of profit – Michael Roberts Blog
Louis Proyect
Back in July, I wrote a post on a new approach to a world rate of profit and how to measure it. I won’t go over the arguments again as you can read that post and previous ones on the subject. But in that July post, I said I would follow up on the decomposition of the world rate of profit and the factors driving it. And I would try to relate the change in the rate of profit to the regularity and intensity of crises in the capitalist mode of production. And I would consider the question of whether, if there is a tendency for the rate of profit to fall as Marx argued, it could reach zero eventually; and what does that tell us about capitalism itself? I am not sure I can answer all those points in this post, but here goes. https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2020/09/20/more-on-a-world-rate-of-profit/
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Re: War Clouds in Eastern Mediterranean
Chris Slee
RKOB acknowledges that "Turkey is oppressing the Kurds", but downplays this by saying that the oppression of the Kurds is "an important issue but not the only one in this region". Of course it is not the "only" issue, but since it is "important" then we should
express our solidarity with those fighting for Kurdish rights against the Turkish state - including the PKK and YPG/YPJ. But RKOB does not do so.
He claims that the YPG is "circling around US imperialism". I assume he is referring to the cooperation between the Syrian Democratic Forces and the US in fighting against ISIS.
But RKOB seems to have a double standard. In 2011 the Libyan rebels were allied with NATO in the campaign to overthrow Gaddafi. Yet RKOB does not denounce them as pro-imperialist.
RKOB denies that the Libyan rebels were racist. They included a diverse mixture of political ideologies, so I will not generalise about the whole rebel movement. But certainly a powerful section of the rebel movement was extremely racist.
The rebel militia from the city of Misrata ethnically cleansed the black population of the nearby town of Tawergha, destroying their homes and driving them away, causing them to flee to refugee camps in other cities. Even after the war against Gaddafi was
over, the Misrata militia refused to allow the refugees to return for more than 6 years. In 2018 an agreement was reached that they would no longer be blocked from returning, but as far as I know few have done so, because of the devastated condition of the
town, and because of continuing fear of the Misrata militia.
In judging whether the Turkish-backed Government of National Accord is better than the Haftar forces, their attitude towards black people, including the refugees from Tawergha, would be one criterion (not the only one, of course). I have not studied this question
sufficiently to form a definite opinion on this.
Chris Slee
From: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> on behalf of RKOB <aktiv@...>
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 4:38 PM To: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> Subject: Re: [marxmail] War Clouds in Eastern Mediterranean In my opinion, there are the following problems in your argument. 1) You say, rightly, that Turkey is oppressing the Kurds. This is surely true and has to be opposed by all socialists and democrats. But in contrast to the perception of you and other supporters of the YPG, politics in the Middle East does not circle around the Kurdish question. It is rather the YPG which is circling around U.S. imperialism (and sometimes other holders of power like Assad). You can not and should not judge all states and forces primarily by what they say on the Kurdish issue. It is an important issue but not the only one in this region. 2) You say: “Erdogan's desire to make Turkey more influential in the Middle East - to make it more like an imperialist power.” We can discuss about Erdoğan’s “desire”. But this is not decisive for Marxists. It is the objective role of different forces in a given conflict. There have been national liberation movements in history fighting under the banner of Islam which might have “desired” to create a “global caliphate”. However, objectively they were fighting the occupation by British, French or US imperialism. Apologists of imperialism took this ideological mantle as a pretext to denounce such struggles. Communists don’t do this. It is necessary to have not an impressionistic characterization of a state (“the desire of its head is …”) but an objective class analysis of its political and economic position. A brief summary of our analysis of Turkey can be read in chapter V of this book: https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/world-perspectives-2018/ 3) The difference between the Libyan GNA government and General Haftar is similar to the difference between Morsi and General Sisi in Egypt. Or, to give another analogy, between the Erdoğan government and the Turkish military dictatorships from 1980 onwards. Yes, they are all bourgeois. Yes, they all collaborate in one way or another with this or that Great Power. But if you are blind to recognize the difference between a semi-democratic bourgeois parliamentary system and a full-blown dictatorship, you repeat the nonsense of the Stalinist “social-fascism” theory of the late 1920s and early 1930s. It is because you are incapable to recognize this difference that you put the foreign intervention of Saudi Arabia/UAE on the same level as Turkey’s. One attempts to bloody crush a liberation struggle. The other tries to exploit and manipulate it (in order to finally liquidate it). “In the end” it is all the same. Likewise, “in the end” we will be all dead. But in the meantime we can do a few things if we are not instantly killed! Serious political people must not ignore this difference! 4) It is a well-known slander of pro-Gaddafi people to denounce the Libyan Revolution as “anti-Black racist”. Behind this is the claim that the Gaddafi dictatorship had been somehow better for Black people. There is no doubt, that there exist (and always existed) anti-Black chauvinist trends in the Arab world. But the Libyan Revolution did not centre around the issue of Black people and did not follow an agenda of “anti-Black racism”. This is Gaddafian slander of the revolutionary process and a cheap excuse for refusing to take sides in the civil war (see only this e.g. the second half of our essay: https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/liberation-struggle-and-imperialism/). -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net aktiv@... Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314
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On the Future of Aviation
R.O.
(Just as I was listening to Jerry Goodman's "On the Future of Aviation" I read the article below. Airlines should revert to balloons and zeppelins instead or else go bankrupt) By the end of October, we may see Singapore Airlines take to the skies once again on commercial flights. These flights aim to ferry around domestic passengers on no-destination trips. Dubbed ‘flights to nowhere’, these are slated to take off from Changi Airport and land back there three hours later. With borders still closed for leisure travel, such flights will help generate revenue for the ailing airline, especially after reporting an SG $1 billion loss for the financial year’s first quarter. Passenger carrier numbers had also dropped 99.5% for the flag carrier.
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Re: FYI - Syria
mkaradjis .
Obviously Beeley is just a hack for tyrants (and, not surprisingly perhaps, a Covid conspiracy theorist today), but she was hardly the first to be wooed by the "charms" of tyrants' wives: In December 2010, the French first lady Carla Bruni sat down to lunch under the gold chandeliers of the Elysee palace with Asma al-Assad, wife of the Syrian leader Bashar. As they sat demurely with their husbands around a butterfly-print tablecloth dominated by a pastel flower-arrangement, a photographer was ushered in to grab a picture for French celebrity magazines. After all, this was a communion of fashion’s high priestesses: a former Italian supermodel turned folk-singer entertaining a Chanel-loving, London-raised, former banker and conveniently westernised Middle Eastern first lady. French Elle had recently voted Asma ‘‘the most stylish woman in world politics’’, Paris Match called her ‘‘an eastern Diana’’, a ‘‘ray of light in a country full of shadow zones’’. Only days after the lunch, a desperate Tunisian vegetable seller would set himself alight, sparking the first revolution of the Arab spring. Already, as the Sarkozys’ butlers served the Assads crystal glasses of freshly squeezed juice from silver platters, there was unease among certain diplomats about the French president schmoozing the ruler of an oppressive dictatorship known for torture, brutality and political prisoners. But Nicolas Sarkozy, an expert on the importance of photogenic wives in politics, saw Asma as his insurance policy. ‘‘When we explained that this was the worst kind of tyrant, Sarkozy would say: 'Bashar protects Christians, and with a wife as modern as his, he can’t be completely bad,’’’ the former French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner later confided to journalists.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Louis Proyect <lnp3@...> wrote: On 9/19/20 7:18 PM, Ken Hiebert wrote:
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Re: presidential election: Roger Stone urges Trump to declare martial law if election stolen by Dems
Mark Lause
Neither party has the kind of attention span for anything like that kind of a deal. The sharpest of them hardly think past the next election.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 7:36 PM Dayne Goodwin <daynegoodwin@...> wrote: I doubt there is any truth to a claim that there was a literal quid
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Re: Eric Topol on vaccines and the election
Jacob Miller <jmiller1982@...>
Democrats who seek to delay a potentially viable vaccine put themselves in the same position as Republicans back in the Spring — they’re putting peoples lives at risk. Not with the intention of benefitting their candidate, but based on the idea that a vaccine approved before the election would benefit their opponent. Jacob
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Eric Topol on vaccines and the election
Louis Proyect
Eric Topol is one of the most respected epidemiologists in the USA. My FB friend Greg Gelembuk, who is involved in the field himself, always forwards his Tweets. Topol just posted a very interesting and worrisome series of Tweets about how Trump might conspire with big pharma to hype a vaccine prematurely to help him get elected. Read the Tweets here: https://tinysubversions.com/spooler/?url=https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1307419462744682496
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Re: FYI - Syria
Louis Proyect
On 9/19/20 7:18 PM, Ken Hiebert wrote:
Impressions from an informal meeting with Asma al-Assad, Syria’s First Lady This tripe is from Eva Bartlett's blog. She and Jeff Mackler are best friends. Some people in Socialist Action got so fed up with this bullshit that they split, leaving Mackler with half the membership. You can read their reasons for walking away from this self-described Trotskyist in this document written by Michael Schreiber who I remember from 40 years ago or so. Glad to see he got Syria right. https://socialistresurgence.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/syria-resolution-for-2018-socialist-action-convention.pdf
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Re: presidential election: Roger Stone urges Trump to declare martial law if election stolen by Dems
Dayne Goodwin
I doubt there is any truth to a claim that there was a literal quid
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pro quo between Republican and Democrats regarding the 1960 and 2000 presidential elections. I don't think that the 1960 corruption (i.e. evidence Louis just provided) would be adequate leverage to effect Democrat behavior forty years later in 2000. I think the Gore/Democrat campaign just caved - probably for social stability and 'the good of the country.' The Democrats did put their loss to good use by blaming the Nader/Green Party campaign and fortifying the capitalists' two-party political system. That Nader cost Gore the 2000 election has become one of those major false "facts" (i.e. U.S. intervened in Vietnam to protect democracy in South Vietnam) regularly reported in the 'news' media.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:09 AM Ken Hiebert <knhiebert@...> wrote:
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FYI - Syria
Ken Hiebert
Impressions from an informal meeting with Asma al-Assad, Syria’s First Lady
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Love, hate and revolution
Philip Ferguson
"Che Guevara said that a true revolutionary is motivated by love i.e. love of the oppressed, the poor, the children dying from preventable illnesses. This phrase of his is true but has been used by reformists and their more hippy wing have taken advantage of it to sell the falsehood that the revolution is an act of hugs, candlelit vigils and respect for our enemies. "Nothing could be further from the truth and the thinking of Che. "First we should be clear that it is love that motivates us, we fight for a better world, for a love towards our fellow human beings and against capitalism that knows no love but rather the price it can place on any feeling. Now following the murder of 13 people in Bogotá at the hands of the police, the usual suspects come out talking about love, forgiveness / pardon and how hate has no place in our struggle. Is it true that we can’t hate?
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H-Net Review [H-Diplo]: Haefner on Ghodsee, 'Second World, Second Sex: Socialist Women's Activism and Global Solidarity during the Cold War'
Andrew Stewart
Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ Begin forwarded message:
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President Higgins says British must face up to their history of reprisals
Ken Hiebert
Reprisal-based violence was a key element of the military imperialist strategy throughout the British Empire, President Michael D Higgins has said. Writing on the centenary of the sack of Balbriggan, which occurred 100 years ago this weekend, President Higgins said reprisals by British forces were not unique to Ireland.
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Re: disregard: testing Lou's procmail script
Les Schaffer
fixed regexp... i hope
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disregard: testing Lou's procmail script
Les Schaffer
this is with filter on the entire To: line. this should go to the Latest 100 messages. notifications should go to Lou's regular email.
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The Green Party's Howie Hawkins Is No Kanye West - The Atlantic
Louis Proyect
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ICE doctor performing hysterectomies is not board certified - Business Insider
Louis Proyect
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Ginsburg dies: What comes next?
John Reimann
"The death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg will probably decisively end an entire era in the role of the US Supreme Court and how it is seen by the great majority of Americans. As we will see, it could also have a very immediate and direct effect on the outcome of November’s elections. That’s true because the most likely outcome is that the in-person voting on Nov. 3 won’t settle who wins, the decision is delayed for days or even weeks as mail-in votes are counted, widespread open conflict over attempts to get mail-in votes discounted ensues and the whole mess ends up in the Supreme Court, which by then could have a 5-3 decisive Trump majority with one swing vote (John Roberts)....." “Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook
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Why Won’t the US’s Largest Labor Federation Talk About a General Strike?
Michael Yates
Michael Meeropol wrote : "Michael --- what about some individual unions with
a strong rank and file? ANy hopes there --- such as how the flight attendants forced the end of the last government shutdown?"
Yes, there are a couple unions and some locals that offer some hope. Yet, most of the locals will have to confront the leadership, and that poses severe problems for independent radical action. Not impossible, but difficult. Of course, we should encourage any and all militant actions.
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Re: Why Won’t the US’s Largest Labor Federation Talk About a General Strike?
Michael Meeropol
Michael --- what about some individual unions with a strong rank and file? ANy hopes there --- such as how the flight attendants forced the end of the last government shutdown? (hope springs eternal!!)
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 1:05 PM Michael Yates <mikedjyates@...> wrote:
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