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Re: "There will be no coup"
workerpoet
As I posted in the Times (as Al M);
Beyond and preceding Trump. the coup happened decades ago with the rise of CIA power, the ascension of Reagan/Bush and the implementation of "trickle-down" neoliberal economics. Corporate consortia like ALEC fund politicians and write legislation, the "Federalist Society" occupies the courts, the neocon CIA continues to guide foreign policy and the embedded corporate press feeds us the official narratives. The results are extreme disparity with growing desperation and dis-empowering citizen division in a country much like Argentina or Chile in the darkest of times. Trump is the product, not the cause. If there is anything good about him, it is that he makes all of this more obvious. The US government, more than any other, is the offsitting board of directors of global corporations. Capitalism is gangsterism. At least Trump makes that obvious.
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Expected Countervailing Forces to Trumpism are Failing - CounterPunch.org
Louis Proyect
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The Demographics of Voting - CounterPunch.org
Louis Proyect
By retired physicist Manuel Garcia Jr.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/13/the-demographics-of-voting/
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Studying the history of fascism to cancel its future | ROAR Magazine
Louis Proyect
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The Arctic is in a death spiral. How much longer will it exist? | US news | The Guardian
Louis Proyect
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Re: Fascism, Trumpism, and the left | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
fkalosar101@...
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 01:30 PM, Andrew Stewart wrote:
Have you even read Federalist Paper 10, which explains how it was designed to reject Westminster-styled parliamentary coalitions <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(Dawson)/10>? Not sure to whom this is addressed nor what is meant by the reference to parliamentary coalitions. For my own part, I don't see anything in the Federalist passage you quote that decries "Westminster-style coalitions"--this seems rather to be a typical Floundering Bothers rant against the evil of "faction," application uncertain. As I recall, Washington himself went on record against "party." There is something here about there being more "parties" in a large republic than in a small one, and that being a good thing, that seems to lead off in another direction entirely--the larger republic containing "a greater variety of parties, against the event of any one party being able to outnumber and oppress the rest." Not sure where this leaves us regarding coalitions--or "party" either for that matter.
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10/15 (Thursday) Trump's s Walls Must Fall! - Greg Grandin & Avi Chomsky (7:00 p.m. Eastern)
Suren Moodliar
Trump's Walls Must Fall! with Greg Grandin & Avi Chomsky This Thursday evening (October 15, 2020) at 7:00 p.m. on Shelter & Solidarity. Join via Zoom or view live on Facebook. [http://www.ShelterAndSolidarity.org/join] Take a deep dive with 2020 Pulitzer Prize-winner Greg Grandin, author of The End of the Myth: From the Frontier to the Border Wall in the Mind of America (among many other books). Scholar and activist Aviva Chomsky, (author of Undocumented and ”They Take Our Jobs!” and 20 Other Myths about Immigration joins the conversation.
Share the Facebook event>> https://fb.me/e/1NkfTyhF5
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10/16 (Friday a.m.) The Empire Unclothed with Walden Bello & friends (11:00 a.m. Zoom)
Suren Moodliar
THE EMPIRE UNCLOTHED IMPLICATIONS OF 2020 US ELECTIONS FOR HUMANITY AND MOTHER EARTH featuring Walden Bello, Mama Charlotte O'Neal, Kolya Abramsky, & Marie Cruz Soto FRIDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2020, 11:00 AM (US EASTERN) LIVE ON ZOOM AND FACEBOOK [Facebook: https://fb.me/e/19pBxB1jg] [SPEAKER BIOS: https://bit.ly/30Z9DW2] It is often said, in relation to elections taking place in the US, that “The whole world is watching." This is perhaps never more so however than this year, in November 2020. This is the case for many reasons, some more obvious than others, but most attributable to or consequent on the fact that the US is the most powerful imperial power. This time, it’s also a function of having a person as president who has swung the country and its politics to the extreme right and normalized a political culture of deceit, manipulation, and abuse – and which is resonating with similar tendencies that have arisen across the world, and especially in sub-imperial powers, as one outcome among many, of neoliberalism. But the US today faces challenges both from within and without, most of its own making. The white supremacy that defines the US republic is today being challenged from the streets and in popular culture by African Americans, Latinx, Indigenous, other people of color, together with self-defined white progressives and allies. Although the rebellion today recalls a previous, near-decade-long broad challenge, the civil rights and Black movements beginning in the 1960s, it confronts a very different state, one that is at once enfeebled by decades of neoliberal globalization and empowered by new surveillance and repressive capacities. Nonetheless, the authoritarian populism of its current administration, just as that of its extreme right global counterparts, renders it uninterested in effectively responding to and addressing pandemics, economic dislocations, and climate breakdown. But saying that they are ineffective or incompetent responses should not suggest that they are unimpactful; quite the contrary, the world as a whole is today being pulverized by the US ruling class’s neoliberal and militarist responses to its own inadequacies. A strategic analysis that centers the building of exchanges between people’s movements is the core of Movements of Movements process – of its books, website, and web event series. The Movements of Movements Conversations is therefore now looking to activist thinkers from across the world and their readings of the implications of the US elections, the first on October 16, 2020, before the elections, and the second on November 20, 2020, immediately after the elections. Our objective is to critically discuss the nature and meanings of the US elections this year, and of their implications for the peoples of the US, for the peoples of the world--both colonized and free--and for life on Mother Earth. These combined web dialogues will together chart the Movements of Movements as peoples around the world envision and work towards new realities and liberation. Our meeting's facilitators are Liz Mestres and Suren Moodliar. This is the first of a two-part conversation. The second takes place on Friday, November 20, 2020, at 11:00 a.m. (Eastern Standard Time)
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Re: Don't Vote - The Bellows
fkalosar101@...
" taking a fatalistic approach to the November election is the only principled thing to do.
Principles my foot. Symbolic action--or inaction--is of no more value than any other "spiritual" gesture--i.e. none. When are Americans going to get over the infantile delusion that solitary arm-waving is a meaningful form of political action?
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Don't Vote - The Bellows
oldkeyboard7711
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Re: Why not Trump again?
Louis Proyect
On 10/12/20 3:50 PM, Les Schaffer
wrote:
I can post to the groups.io tech list and see if the owner is willing to expose some of the critical headers when evaluating moderated posts. He seems hip to avoid spam, maybe he'd be willing to code this up on the grounds that we can have a better sense of a moderated subscriber if we can view essential headers. This is not exactly spam. It is trolling. I still
have trouble wrapping my head around the question of why these
people (or Max's sock-puppets, whoever Max was) bother. I mean,
why go through all the trouble? Back in the early days of
Marxmail, we had to put up with some real nut-jobs but their
problem was being drunk on some stupid sectarian ideology. I
just have no idea what makes these trolls tick. They obviously
are versed in the kinds of questions we take up here (who else
would have a clue who The Platypussies were.) But they're not
interested in a serious debate but only in us going off on
tangents. Beats the shit out of me.
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Re: Why not Trump again?
Les Schaffer
I can post to the groups.io tech list and see if the owner is willing to expose some of the critical headers when evaluating moderated posts. He seems hip to avoid spam, maybe he'd be willing to code this up on the grounds that we can have a better sense of a moderated subscriber if we can view essential headers. Les
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:28 PM Louis Proyect <lnp3@...> wrote:
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Re: Why not Trump again?
fkalosar101@...
I bet the poster was Chris Cutrone himself, playing some possibly alcoholic version of a Nietzschean prank. Those Platypus geniuses were big on Nietzsche.
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Top GOP donor floats ‘sacrificing’ Trump to ‘protect the Senate at all costs’ - Alternet.org
Louis Proyect
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Re: Why not Trump again?
Chris Goldsbury
LOL
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Same goes for the sainted “anti state” Lew Rockwell et al Took a look a while back to see where they stood on trump. No issues. He’s a victim ffs. Amazing how hypocrites flow and grok to the power they prefer. This jerkoff cutrone, yep. Typos courtesy of auto spell.
On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:21 PM, fkalosar101@... wrote:
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Re: Why not Trump again?
Louis Proyect
On 10/12/20 3:14 PM, Les Schaffer
wrote:
I think buynow@computer4u slipped past the esteemed moderator while the latter was sleeping .. Not exactly. I needed to see if he was using a
proxy server, which I can only determine by seeing the header on
his first message. I strongly suspected that his use of a domain
name indicated that he was a troll but always wait to see the
header. I've banned him and kristinbaird@... who had
the same profile. I'd estimate that after purging Max Power,
I've banned more than a dozen trolls playing the same game as
him. We never ran into these kinds of idiots at U. of Utah but
we're still better off.
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Re: Why not Trump again?
fkalosar101@...
I'm not surprised that the founder of the ridiculous, pretentious, and contemptible Platypus Society should wind up pimping for Trump. He isn't making much sense in this piece.
Trump the giver of jobs? Has Cutrone seen the unemployment statistics lately? This must be true in some hifalutin theoretical philoosphical ironic sense that only the enlightened and the ghost of Moishe Postone could grasp--or would bother to. I noticed the following gem before I gave up looking for a coherent thread in this obscenely self-gratifying nonsense: "But Trump’s supporters became annoyed with Obama, and have been reassured by Trump’s confidence in America: Trump’s smile is not sarcastic; Obama’s often was. Don’t the Democrats deserve that grin?" Trump's smile is not sarcastic? Has this arseling never seen one of Trump's purported parodies of his opponents? Is this some form of superior "theoretical" or philosophical irony? If so, the irony gun has come loose from its pivot and is firing everywhere at random. A pity it's firing blanks because Cutrone is squarely in his own line of fire. If only the damp petard had force enough to hoist its perpetrator. Cutrone doesn't seem to know what year it is--he refers to the "current impeachment farce." This incapacity goes together with his inability to tell what world he's in. It's IMO regrettable that someone who should at least have had the benefit of hindsight has seen fit to inflict this probably drunken, certainly unfocused squittering on Marxmail.
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Re: Why not Trump again?
Les Schaffer
I think buynow@computer4u slipped past the esteemed moderator while the latter was sleeping ...
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 2:42 PM Tristan Sloughter <t@...> wrote:
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Worst Responders
Louis Proyect
Harper's, August 2020 Worst Responders From a 2017 complaint filed by David and Gretchen Jessen against Fresno County and the city of Clovis, California, for damages incurred during a police raid on their home. In June 2016, construction workers called the police after they witnessed a homeless man break into the Jessens’ house. The Jessens returned to find their home surrounded by law enforcement. The Jessens argue that damage to their home was “unreasonable and unjustified.” In April, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Fresno County and the city of Clovis.
Law enforcement officers did the following to the Jessens’ home:
The homeless man did the following:
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Re: Why not Trump again?
Tristan Sloughter
Please tell me this is a satirical piece... I can't tell for sure but:
Seems like it just has to be, right? On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, at 11:55, buynow@... wrote:
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